What happened to Careca?

Jasper · 10-09-2001, 12:52 AM

Hey guys,
What happened to Brazil's '86 star Careca who later played for Napoli?
He was an awesome striker and one of my best at the time.

And that goal celebration samba of his........cool....

What about Zico?

cheers

Joey · 10-09-2001, 01:53 AM

I don't know about what happened to caresa, but zico is the coasch of a japanese club i think.. i am sure he is caoshing somewhere in asia or was atleast.

Garrincha · 10-09-2001, 02:38 AM

Careca is now an agent for assorted young players, I believe. He has created (or purchased, I'm not sure) a small team in his hometown, Campinas; in that team he's organizing a "school" system to reveal players. I don't think he has plans of turning his team into a competitive, "championship" team; it's more of a "factory" of players, if you will. Lots of talented kids who need training, y'know. His name was mentioned in that recent "fake-passport" scandal, but I don't know if he was actually involved.

Zico, on the other hand, has worked as manager and coach of Japan's Kashima Antlers (where he retired from soccer for the 2nd time). Now he enjoys a "supervisor" status that allows him to be in Brazil most of the time. It was the only way Kashima could stick with him, as his family had decided to return to Brazil. He returned to run the club he created - with the managing experience he gained in Japan - called CFZ (which stands for Zico Football Center). His plans are to turn this CFZ into a full-fledged 1st division side within the next 15-20 years. As you can see, an ambitious dream. The club is currently in Rio de Janeiro's 2nd division, and still hasn't qualified for the Brazilian 3rd division. But who knows? maybe he'll pull it off.

One thing that might get in his way is that he's always being invited to be president of Flamengo (the club that revealed him to soccer and where he achieved his greatest glories), and I think the idea is appealing to him. But hey, I might be wrong.

Severus · 10-09-2001, 03:57 AM

ahh careca and zico ... 2 of the greatest players this world has ever seen. and its no coincidence both of them were two stars of serie A back in their hay days.

what phenomenal talent you guys USED to produce eh garrin

Garrincha · 10-09-2001, 04:26 AM

Ah, Severus, don't point at things that aren't there, or people will think you're imagining them.
Brazil's problem isn't lack of talent, it's more an organizational and administrative problem than a technical one. The National Team is feeling the brunt of the administrative sloppiness that has plagued Brazilian football for years, creating mockery tournaments, promoting new stars that are sold too soon and get eclipsed by mismanagement, and pandering to local agendas.

And when the team with the golden shirt loses, it's a worldwide "ooohhh" that thunders through the skies! The coaches have to work under the emotional stress of having your work criticized by every single citizen, and seeing the team be booed by our own home crowds at the 35th min of the 1T because the show wasn't spectacular enough. These people have been spoiled by decades of excellent teams; Brazilian supporters never settle for less, therefore the team is rarely good enough to meet the expectations.

But the problem isn't lack of talent. Do we lack a team of fuoriclasse? Yes, but there aren't many fuoriclasse in the whole world, maybe two or three, probably not even that. Brazil still has some of the world's greatest talents, though no true "craques" (fuoriclassi) left save for Romario. Ronaldo (R9) and Rivaldo are excellent but not as good as the true greats. Roberto Carlos has been making a name for himself through solid playmaking, being the best in his position in the world today. But a supporter will say, can he compare to Nilton Santos?* Can he compare to Junior?

Brazil's biggest problems are a terribly hapless domestic mismanagement, and having to live up to a well-deserved high reputation.

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* Nilton Santos was Brazil's leftback in the 50-54-58-62 WCs, having won the last two. He was known as "The Encyclopedia Of Soccer", invented the offensive wingbacks as we know them, and is recognized by FIFA as the greatest left-back who ever played the game.

ou niculese · 10-10-2001, 12:35 AM

I think the problem with Brasile is that they lack cohesion. Too many individuals it seems with not enough committment for the overall success of the team.

Still not a team to take likely though.

ItalianBoy · 10-10-2001, 06:36 AM

FALCAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Severus · 10-10-2001, 07:38 AM

garrin i was only kidding. you lot still develop quality talent, its just not in abundance as before IMO.

Joey · 10-10-2001, 11:33 AM

I think Scholari is cooking something really special for the bolivia match.. but i hope no injuryies come up.. i think scholari will start with the following attacking trio (a more attacking apparoach):

This could be like old times with:

Denilson - Rivladho/Ronaldo(if he recovers in time, however i doubt it) - Romario

I read it in dailysoccer and i think it can bring back the 4-0 and 5-0 wins...

what do u guys think about this attacking tri.,.

Garrincha · 10-10-2001, 02:01 PM

I think Edilson is playing in Ronaldo's position. Scolari, IMO, has conceived of this sweet system where R9 will fit like a glove, and it would be in the place Edilson's presently occupying.

I wish Amoroso would get more chances, as well as Lyon's Juninho (you guys think Rosicky is a good playmaker? THIS guy is SOLID GOLD!). But the team is beginning to look cohesive for the first time in a looong while, so I'll understand if Scolari refuses to make experimentations right away.

OAnimal · 10-10-2001, 07:02 PM

Garrincha, it's really great news for me to read that Brazil actually looked good against Chile. I know you will beat Bolivia and Venezuela to qualify for World Cup. And there I hope you'll take what you deserve - the World Cup title.

Even though if we get to the World Cup and beat you in the finals, it wouldn't be too bad either.

Joey · 10-11-2001, 04:20 AM

I don't think we should be over excited gar.. i mean we are creating good strategy's and starting to settle down.. we should take it one a time..

i also heard that they might get Carlos (Boca's coach) to lead brazil to thier 5th WC... is that right..??

i think that is stupid right now, and quite annoying to scholari.. we shoul dwait after we qualify first..

ItalianBoy · 10-11-2001, 05:14 AM

Carlos Bianchi is the dumbest dude in the whole world!

Garrincha · 10-11-2001, 09:44 AM

This story about Bianchi is ridiculous. Scolari is the man, even though the Brazilian media are ganging up on him (he's a pubic relations specialist's worst nightmare, always saying the wrong thing). The last thing he said was that old-time players had it easy, and therefore their achievements weren't all that important - said in the context of defending his players on a comparation against old Cup-winning players, and how much better the retired players were... which I think is nostalgic Bullsh*t, but apparently a lot of people disagree.

Needless to say, a lotta people in Brazil are now willing to fry Scolari in boiling oil. He's just terrible at politics, and frequently says stuff the traditional press hates. I think he's doing a good job, though, and hope the press morons won't take him down.

Ze da Fiel · 10-24-2001, 06:28 PM

careca is the owner of Campinas futebol clube and a football agent.
i met him last year in miami and is still playing good!