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[Ze da Fiel]

I'lll put a list of players taht have chances to go to the WC, then just put down
whoever your 23 players would be.....andit would be cool if you put the squad #
in also! Even if you don't kjnow brazilian football, just put your list for the sake
of it !
If i forgot to put anyone, just ask me and i'll add it to the list.
89 players that can have a shot at going to Korea. Not an easy task for Felipao!


Goalkepeers:

Marcos (Palmeiras)
Dida (Corinthians)
Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo)
Julio Cesar (Flamengo)
Helton (Vasco)
Veloso (Altetico-MG)


Right Back:

Cafu (Roma)
Beletti (Sao Paulo)
Alessandro (Atletico-PR)
Alessandro (Flamengo)
Evanilson (Borrusia Dortmund)
Ze Maria (Perrugia)
Anderson (Gremio)
Baiano (Atletico -MG)

Left Back:

Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid)
Serginho (Milan)
Silvinho (Celta Vigo?)
Junior (Parma)
Cesar (Lazio)
Athirson (Juventus)
Fabio Aurelio (Valencia)
Felipe (Atletico-MG)
Cassio (Flamengo)
Leo (Santos)

Defenders:

Lucio (Bayern Leverkusen)
Edmilson (Lyon)
Claudio Cacapa (Lyon)
Mauro Galvao (Gremio)
Anderson Polga (Gremio)
Marinho (Gremio)
Scheidt (Corinthians)
Cris (Cruzeiro)
Junior Baiano (Shanghai)
Roque Jr. (Milan)
Juan (Flamengo)
Antonio Carlos (Roma)

Defensive Midfielders:

Vampeta (Flamengo)
Beto (Flamengo)
Cesar Sampaio (Corinthians)
Emerson (Roma)
Lima (Roma)
Marcos Assuncao (Roma)
Flavio Conceicao (Real Madrid)
Fabio Rockemback (Barcelona)
Amaral (Fiorentina)
Leandro Avila (Botafogo)
Fernando (Juventude)
Eduardo Costa (Bordeux)
Andre Luiz (Marseille)
Ze Elias (Olympiakos)
Vagner (Celta Vigo)
Doriva (Porto)
Gilberto Silva (Atletico-MG)
Ricardinho (Cruzeiro)
Adaozinho (Sao Caetano)
Ze Roberto (Bayern Leverkusen)



Offensive Midfielders:

Marcelinho Carioca (Santos)
Rivaldo (Barcelona)
Juninho Paulista (Vasco)
Juninho Pernambucano (Lyon)
Pedrinho (Palmeiras)
Alex (Cruzeiro)
Ronaldinho Gaucho (PSG)
Ricardinho (Corinthians)
Kaka (Sao Paulo)
Leonardo (Sao Paulo)
Djalminha (La Coruna)
Roger (Fluminense)
Rodrigo (Botafogo)
Marcelinho Paraiba (Hertha Berlin)
Rodrigo Fabrri (Gremio)
Robert (Santos)
Zinho (Gremio)
Esquerdinha (Sao Caetano)


Attack:


Romario (Vasco)
Ronaldo (Internazionale)
Luizao (Corinthians)
Edilson (Flamengo)
Denilson (Real Betis)
Ewerthon (Borrusia Dortmund)
Amoroso (Borrusia Dortmund)
Adhemar (Stuttgart)
Elber (Bayern Munchen)
Jardel (Sporting Lisbon)
Edmundo (japanese team)
Kleber (Atletico-PR)
Anderson (Lyon)
Euller (Vasco)
Reinaldo (Flamengo)

[Ze da Fiel]

1 Julio Cesar
2 Cafu
3 Lucio
4 Mauro Galvao
5 Emerson
6 Roberto Carlos
7 Edilson
8 Vampeta
9 Luizao
10 Ronaldo
11 Romario
12 Dida
13 Juan
14 Edmilson
15 Juninho Pernambucano
16 Serginho
17 Beto or Amaral (toss of a coin!)
18 Juninho Paulista
19 Djalminha
20 Rivaldo
21 Denilson
22 Marcos
23 Kaka


And my team would be

1. Julio Cesar

2 Cafu 3 Lucio 4 Mauro galvao 6 RC

15 Juninho Pernambucano 8 vampeta

18 Juninho Paulista 23 Kaka

10 Ronaldo 11 Romario

well, as you can see #10 with Ronaldo cause it has to be on the pitch and
Rivaldo would not be in my team, but in the squad.

[OAnimal]

Although not being Brazilian, I always cheer for them... Thus I feel the right to make my own Brazilian WC squad.
Further, I apologize for being biased towards players that play in Europe, since here we don't get good coverage of brazilian football (unfortunately).

So, my squad would be like this:
1. Dida
2. Cafu
3. Antonio Carlos
4. Emerson (Deportivo La Coruna)
5. Lucio
6. Roberto Carlos
7. Luizao
8. Emerson (Roma)
9. Ronaldo
10. Djalminha
11. Edilson
12. Helton
13. Elber
14. Flavio Conceicao
15. Serginho
16. Evanilson
17. Edmilson
18. Juan
19. Fabio Rochembach
20. Rivaldo
21. Ronaldinho
22. Julio Cesar
23. Denilson

I would prefer 4-4-2 system:

Dida

Cafu Edmilson Antonio Carlos Roberto Carlos

Emerson(Deportivo) Emerson(Roma)

Rivaldo Djalminha

Ronaldo (if he is not fit then Denilson) Edilson

[Garrincha]

This is a tough one, and I promise to try to find a good selection later - but at first glance at the names you've got here, I found a team of players who make me think PLEASE, DON'T CALL UP THESE GUYS! A team who might actually win a match or two, but that I would have NO pleasure watching. Players who are NOT fit for the Seleção, either for lack of talent or simply because they're rotten, useless primadonnas.

1- Dida - This guy is a fluke. PLEASE let's acknowledge the fact that ALL EUROPE knows he'd rather die than leave his safe haven under the posts. All balls raised over Brazil's area cause panic when Dida is there, because the only thing he does well is catching penalties - AND WE'RE NOT ITALY, so we won't go to penalties in every other match!!

3- Scheidt
4- Cris
5- Junior Baiano - These would be the Three Stooges. Baiano has talent but he only uses his brain to keep his ears apart.

2- Alessandro (Flamengo) - I know we are desperate for a right-wingback, but are we THAT desperate?
8- Doriva - Only in nightmares.
5- Eduardo Costa - This guy defies belief. Why not just hold a national-wide contest so everybody can have a chance of playing for the Seleção? If HE can do it, why not?
10- Rodrigo Fabbri - I agree he's talented, but he apparently can't stay in a club for more than six months. He's not NT material, IMO.
6- Cassio - Let me simply say this: My girlfriend supports Flamengo, and she asked me if his presence in that list was meant as a joke.

11- Reinaldo - The teams that play against Brazil would be playing with 12 men and Brazil would be playing with 10. Is this a good idea? A striker who never scores? Must be a tactical innovation or something...
9- Adhemar - Oh, please. Are you serious? Do I even need to explain this one? If Adhemar should be considered, why not Tuta, Rodrigo Mendes or Sandro Hiroshi? They're just as unimpressive...

P.S. Of course, as history would have it, one of these dorks might even play a World Cup one day, and even actually get noticed. In a couple of years, some of them may be stars in Europe, which won't make them better - PSG thinks Aloisio Chulapa is a good striker, and quite frankly, he sucks.

But this is a Brazil team that would make me consider applying for foreign citizenship...

[Ze da Fiel]

Garricha,


If Marcelinho Paraiba is on the team, and Eduardo Costa and Cris are called up all the time, together with Tinga......... i can asure you that alomst all these players can play for Brasil!

Doriva went to the 98 WC!

[Garrincha]

Hey, Paulo Sergio was world champion in '94 and I still don't think he's National Team material. Same with Doriva. Of course, this whole discussion is placed in realm of personal taste, right? That's what I meant. Some of these guys may even grow as players and prove me wrong - Alessandro, Eduardo Costa and Reinaldo are relatively young, so hey, for all we know one of them might be the MVP of WC 2006 or 2010 (that just sounds VERY unlikely today ).

And about the 23 we should take to the WC... lemme give it a try: starters in bold letters

GK- Rogerio Ceni, Marcos, Julio Cesar;

CD- Lucio, Juan, Edmilson, Marinho, Roque Jr and Antonio Carlos Zago;

RWB- Cafu, Evanilson (or Eriberto, who I feel should be tested);

DM- Emerson, Vampeta, Fabio Rochembach, and Zé Roberto;

OM- Juninho Pernambucano(Lyon), Rivaldo, Zinho, and Juninho Paulista - alternatively, other good names would be Rodrigo (Botafogo) and Kaka;

LWB- Roberto Carlos, Serginho;

AT- Luizão, Ronaldo(From Inter, I believe he'll be fit), Edílson and Denilson (or whoever is in best shape at the time, as strikers need to be in tip-top form).

But if you ask me again in a month I may choose differently.

[Garrincha]

Oops. I just noticed I picked more than 23. I tellya, the Brazilian manager's job is though!

[Ze da Fiel]

Garrincha,
i don't know if you agree with me, but Doriva, Junior Baiano and Goncalves in WC 98 was tough to handle.

Btw, i liked what Lopes said today....make thebase in BRazil and just add on the foreginers


The brazilian based team of Felipao might look like this: 442

Marcos


Beletti Juan Mauro Galvao or Anderson Polga Felipe?

Vampeta Ricardinho

Juninho Paulista Kaka

Edilson Romario (Luizao)


After what Felipao said yesterday that he needs a post and a reference up front , i think he wil call Romario.

[Garrincha]

Gonçalves was doing quite well for Botafogo, and when he had to play, he did well. I know you may suspect my opinion about him, as he was Botafogo's captain and idol - but hey, that's my opinion.

While I admit Belletti is a good player, and probably even a world-class one, he's a bad apple: violent, treacherous, and generally untrustworthy. Maybe it's just me - I keep thinking he'll do something nasty in the WC and leave our team minus one player. I don't like him as a person, but technically he's good. I wouldn't take him to the WC, though. I rate him right aside Marcelinho Carioca: a scumbag. Hope you're not a Marcelinho fan, but that's how I see him.

And the idea of trying to make a Brazilian base, and later adding the absolutely necessary "foreigners", may be a good idea. IMHO, the absolutely-necessary "foreign" players are Cafu, Lucio, Edmilson, Roberto Carlos and Emerson. All others have similar or superior competitors playing in Brazil: Elber isn't better than Luizão, Zé Roberto isn't better than Corinthians' Ricardinho, and Ronaldo is currently a multimillionaire question mark.

The central defense is the problem with that idea: Frankly, Mauro Galvão? I like him a lot and all, but in the WC he'll be what, 40? Or even more? Also, I fear we may return to Cris and his likes.

Of course, Scolari might surprise us all and call up some actually GOOD Brazil-based central defenders, like Gremio's Marinho, Botafogo's Valdson (currently on loan to Vitoria, but excellent) and São Paulo's Emerson. IF we used players like these, we might build a very competitive Brazilian-based team.

Who knows? It might work.

[Ze da Fiel]

garrincha,
man, i can see that you know a lot of football, but i really don't understand what you see in the football of Emerson. Since he joined Brazil our midfield has becoe so slow and so blind that is unbelievable. People say he is a leader, but i have never seen this guy open his mouth, all he knows to do is foul (cause he can't even tackle....it's just fouls)
His position is not midifled he is a defender..... just like people thought Rincon was a forward, then he became a playmaker , then people put him in his right position....DM. Same as Edilson, people thought he was a playmaker at first.....but really he is a support striker.


Belletti is good for club not BRazil. I would take a midfielder like Beto for being sub of Cafu.....or you can even put Juninho Pernambucano, Lucio or vampeta that will do the same thing as Beletti. Remember taht he is not a specialist in the position but was just adpated there to get to play for Brazil.

I love Marcelinho and i don't care what people say about him....i love him and will love forever. SPellall his enemies from Corinthians and bring him back , put his second skin back on.

Mauro Galvao is not a problem but a solution for the WC...after that we think someone for him. Age is not a problem he is master in defending.

I loved the idea of the based players, my dad was saying that too. Also it will be good because the foreginers will not know how they play. SPeically Kaka...this kid should be given a chance.....he is a bettered Rai in my opinion.....


Elber will not be called up anymore....Luizao and Franca are light years better, plus he is a desertor

Did you see what marcos said today......will Felipao burn him? I doubt

Ricardinho of Corinthians is to much of a sissy, i doubt he wouuld cope with the pressure.....when the pressure is on him in Corinthians he melts!

I only saw Andreson Polga play once....i was impressed. A sort of butcher that can play football........ same style as my beloved BRANCO!


Garrincha..

If we do the opposite we have done the last 2 years, we got everything to win this WC. We can make a brilliant team and cohesive.

Attack we have 3 duo's already set up that no one in the world can come close. Romario- Ronaldo, Edilson - Luizao, Franca- Ronaldinho Gaucho.....plus Denilson to come on the second half and rip apart any defense while they are already tired


Our biggest porblem is creativity in midfield....that we can leave to the Juninho's and kaka...the rest is pouring beer in to the cup and shouting. TODO MUNDO TENTA, MAIS SO O BRASIL E PENTA!

[Garrincha]

Hey, I don't know - I think Emerson absolutely rules, I consider him easily one of the world's 5 finest defensive midfielders. Some of my friends agree with me, but many do not, and the press generally loathes him. But the press despised Dunga, and now he's a role model... I believe Emerson will prove his value next year.

Of course, this might all be a result of my reckless youth and the massive amounts of beer & dope I immersed myself into; maybe I'm imagining things and Emerson is actually a pile of crap. Which would raise the question of, what is he doing in Roma, winning Serie A? Is Roma's coach that clueless - or is it just the usual resistence Brazilian fans have against players who play abroad, in favour of Brazilian-based ones?

About Kaká - I think he's a rare kind of player, a huge talent. I hope to see him and Botafogo's Rodrigo as starters in WC 2006... but hey, Scolari might decide to surprise us with some new talent, huh?

[Ze da Fiel]

garrincha,
it's an insult to dunga to mention him in the same line as emerson.
i always liked dunga even in 1990, i used to lie in britain and whe i came to brazil i could not understand all the hate for him. then he prooved all his critics wrong, and became a legend, a symbol of a sucessful era in brazilian football


personally , i don't think serie A is all that. i mean pessoto plays for juentus. would he play for sao paulo, palmeiras, or flamengo? i doubt it!
plus emerson's style suits eurpean football...not our football which is much more flexible and artistic.


anwyay....the probable team for 2006 is:

1julio cesar

2.maicon 3.lucio 4. juan 6. felipe

8.vampeta 5.fernando

10.ronaldinho gaucho 7. kaka

11.ewerthon 9.ronaldo


not bad hey?