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Old 01-26-2005, 12:55 AM   #1
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A thread deticated to the late, great Garrincha.
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The grave is in a country cemetery about an hour’s drive from Rio de Janeiro, a simple slab of grimy concrete squeezed between fancier tombs.

The epitaph simply says: ‘‘Here rests in peace the one who was the Joy of the People — Mane Garrincha.’’

It is a humble resting place for one of the great soccer players of all time but then Garrincha was always true to his roots. He was also one of soccer’s original bad boys and his life is a cautionary tale for today’s misbehaving celebrities.

Garrincha fathered at least 14 children by several women, had a scandalous affair with a pop singer, killed his mother-in-law in a car crash, squandered his money and drank himself into an alcoholic’s grave in 1983 at the age of 49.

He also delighted fans from South America to Scandinavia and played a crucial role in Brazil’s 1958 and 1962 World Cup wins. Brazil never lost when he and Pele played together.

Garrincha’s story is back in the public eye just now.

A movie ‘Garrincha — Estrela Solitaria’ (Solitary Star), is set to go on release in Brazil. In Britain, Ruy Castro’s book ‘Garrincha — The Triumph and Tragedy of Brazil’s Forgotten Footballing Hero’ has just been published in English.

‘‘The people talk about King Pele. No, the king is Garrincha,’’ says old friend Malvina, now 71 and still living in Pau Grande.

Garrincha was born Manuel dos Santos in this factory town nestled among lush mountains. He had crooked legs, one shorter than the other, and the world came to know him by his childhood nickname, which means ‘Little Bird’.

He played for the factory team before Botafogo spotted him. He left behind his wife and family but took a girlfriend with him to Rio. Barely literate, he signed a blank contract.

His life was then the proverbial game of two halves — the glory years then a sad decline as personal problems, drink and injury brought him to ruin.

The fans adored him from the start as he waltzed past defenders with his dribbles down the right wing. ‘‘He played for the joy, he played for love,’’ Malvina said, sitting outside his cabin in shorts and vest.

‘‘Garrincha could drink the night before and go and play the next day in the Maracana stadium. After the match, back here for a drink. Can you see David Beckham going back to his hometown on Saturday night to play with his mates?’’ said Andrew Downie, a journalist. ‘‘You went to see him play because you knew he would entertain you.’’

His greatest triumphs were in the 1958 World Cup in Sweden and the 1962 tournament in Chile. In 1958, the Brazilians met the mighty Soviet Union in the group stage. In what some writers have called the greatest three minutes of soccer ever, Brazil attacked from the start with Garrincha leading the charge. They scored after three minutes, won 2-0, and went on to beat Sweden in the final to become world champions.

Four years later, with Pele sidelined by injury, Garrincha was again the star of the show as Brazil won a second World Cup. As the naked players celebrated in the dressing room, a sultry Brazilian singer named Elza Soares walked in and embraced Garrincha in the shower, thus beginning a stormy affair that lasted for more than 15 years.

While the couple lived in Rio, Garrincha’s wife and growing family were back in Pau Grande. It turned many Brazilians against him and over the next few years, the rot set in.

Botafogo insisted on playing him even as injuries began to take a toll. His consumption of cachaca — a sugarcane liquor — became constant. Money troubles added up as he failed to secure lucrative terms.

Neighbours in Rio’s posh Urca area harassed him and Elza. The pair were attacked when they visited Pau Grande. When a military dictatorship took over Brazil, the couple moved to Rome after a vigilante squad visited their house.

In 1980, Rio’s Mangueira Samba school put him on its carnival parade float. In an episode that features in the film, a nation watched on television as an alcohol-numbed figure in a yellow Brazil shirt sat there oblivious to all around him.

A few years later Garrincha was dead. Garrincha, though, will always remain a people’s player. ‘‘He never forgot where he came from. They love Pele but they don’t identify with him,’’ Downie says.

Pau Grande seems to have forgiven Garrincha his transgressions. A bust sits in the square and the soccer field bears his name, with a few old photographs of him hanging inside the scruffy bar.

‘‘He was a simple guy, he didn’t have a nasty thought,’’ says local carpenter Zaza. ‘‘Another Garrincha has never been born.’’ (Reuters)
Many say that Garrincha was better than Pele, in Brasil.
Many say that Garrincha was better than Mardona.
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Ya, most brasilian's like Garrincha because they can relate better to him.
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They were great from what I've read/heard.

Never saw either play, but they are suppose to be great.

So was it true what I read, Garrincha is considered better than Mardona in Brasil?
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Hm, interesting.

Well either way.
He was suppose to be a great.
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Hm, interesting.

Well either way.
He was suppose to be a great.
He was great but had some problems similar to Maradona. He was the real bad boy of soccer...
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Ya, it's horrible when great players get into those things.
It really messes up the sport I believe.
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They were great from what I've read/heard.

Never saw either play, but they are suppose to be great.

So was it true what I read, Garrincha is considered better than Mardona in Brasil?
For who has just a little knowledge and is able to see football in a historical perspective, Garrincha is and will always be considered better than Maradona, not only in Brazil, but...anywhere in the world (& also in Argentina)!...

In Brazil he only loses to Pelé; in third place - among the forwards - comes Leônidas da Silva.

As far as forwards (midfield on) El Pibe is a distant fourth in South America, and, worldwise, he loses to Di Stéfano, Puskas and Cruyff (in spite of the fanatics of the younger generations - a phenomenon that will always exist)...

And - in Brazil - I just mentioned forwards that were better than him: I didn't even cite typical midfields like Didi, Zizinho, or defensive geniuses like Nilton Santos and Domingos da Guia, all of them in a superior category as compared to "The God"...

As far as sheer "categoria" El Pibe loses to those 7 in Brazil, which by the way is not a shame to any player in the world, considering the monsters they were, and, as we said before - and it's always relevant repeating - in the world he is behind Yashin, Puskas, Di Stéfano and Cruyjff...

11 masters: Yashin// Domingos da Guia/ Nilton Santos// Didi/ Di Stéfano/ Zizinho/ Crujff//Garrincha/ Pelé/ Leônidas da Silva/ Puskas

Maradona was great but with an eleven like that he would have to warm up the bench...

That's the general opinion among the people who know a little soccer in Brazil and anywhere else in the world...
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