the video

[Severus]

everyone's seen it. everyone has an opinion. what is it ???

mine is, that it wasn't fabricated and although bin laden doesn't go out and actually say, YES I DID IT like the US initially stated would happen, he does say something worth noting like "some of the soldiers WE sent to america didn't even know they were going to die". this alone i think along with other threats he's issued, the fact that he's the leader of al-qaeda (a known terrorist group) and witnesses to testify against him would most certainly be enough for him to be indicted as the prime suspect of the events which transpired on 9-11. whether his sympathisers disagree i could care less. all i know is that he must not die that filthy pig !

[ItalianBoy]

Well of course there is going to be anti-american that already said its a fake. Just illarious what some people come up with huh sev?

[FANTA]

the video has made no difference to anything.

people who originally thought he was guilty still think it, and people who think that he wasen't involved, still think that.

i can't believe some people who think that the USA "doctored" it. they say it's an "imposter" from hollywood or that they got ObL's face and stuck it onto another person to make it look like him.

the translation is correct so i don't see what people are going on about - they should just wake up and smell the god damn coffee.

[Fantastic]

I don`t think that he is inocent, but you haven`t proven the opposite yet! These faken video, how pathetic can you be?! Do you realy think that Bin Laden would have explained all that to some morrons and infront of video camera?!

So they find it in some Taliban`s house! Yea sure, they live in the rows but still have video tapes and they just left them to US troops! Bin Laden had plained that (if he did it of course) so carrefuly and now he would made such a stupid mistake?!

[Porca Troia]

i hate to agree with fantastic, but first of all, the translation being correct is inaccurate. the words spoken were not clear, yet the translation was almost like it came from a speech.
i believe that bin laden has definitely left the region, the US is in dire need of locating him before he disappears althogher, and the release of the tape will make the undecided arabs to turn him in for having orchestrated the massacre and the ransom won't hurt either.

[Ivan]

I personally have my some doubts about the authenticity of the video tape, but like fantasista said, either way it does not change anything. People that were convinced before, are still convinced that it was him, people who weren't convinced have stayed that way.

The only discrepancies that I can point out is the fact that Bin Laden claimed that the hijackers didn't know what their mission was, until right before they did it (<i>right before what? right before they boarded the plane... right before the day of the attack???</i>). But yet, all these months we have been hearing how the "hijackers" took flying lessons where they were only interested in taking off and flying... not landing. And also the FBI supposedly found Atta's "suicide" letter. If he just found out about the "mission" right before, how did he have time to write such a lengthy letter?

Also, how were the hijackers informed of the "mission" if there were no letters exchanged (as per Bin Laden's claim). Did another person come to the airport and personally tell them what to do. If so, where is this person?

These are all assumptions based on video tape that nobody can claim for 100% that it's authentic. There's no use in arguing about these points, I am just pointing out some of the things that seemed fishy to me.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Fantastic
I don`t think that he is inocent, but you haven`t proven the opposite yet! These faken video, how pathetic can you be?! Do you realy think that Bin Laden would have explained all that to some morrons and infront of video camera?!

So they find it in some Taliban`s house! Yea sure, they live in the rows but still have video tapes and they just left them to US troops! Bin Laden had plained that (if he did it of course) so carrefuly and now he would made such a stupid mistake?!

how do you know he didn't leave it there on purpose. how do you know it wasn't a wake up call mixed with some hints for his soldiers around the world to attack upon ? i mean, the guy has issued threats to the US in public on numerous occasions. he's obviously not playing with a full deck of cards now.

[Porca Troia]

i have to take back what i said about the video not having been translated properly. an arab prince on larry king claims that bin laden's words were more damaging than the translation provided.

[Pila]

The tape and people's skepticism of it's authenticity is why I wouldn't have even bothered with the skeptics. There is nothing the US can do or show to convince them. So be it! Just make sure you stay clear of our way.

[Porca Troia]

pila. the US govt had the tape for more about 10 days. why do you think it was not translated accurately. bin laden named 9 of the terrorists in the video but the govt did not even mention that in the translation?

[Pila]

What the hell does that have anything to do with its authenticity? Albeit, most often than not government officials are a bunch of morons, but I digress. It's beyond moronic to expect that people were going to take the government's interpretation at face value. I'm not sure at what you're insinuating with your question.

[Porca Troia]

relax buddy. i am not trying to argue with you. it was just a simple question. if you feel it creates loopholes in your argument too f.ing bad.
"It's beyond moronic to expect that people were going to take the government's interpretation at face value"...this would be a valid point if the information that was withheld would not be damaging, but on the contrary it was additional proof of bin laden's culpability. that was my point.

[Pila]

I'm still not sure of your point. Were you simply asking why the government left out the full interpretation?

[Porca Troia]

yes goddamit....you are usually more astute in your assessment of posts, are you smoking the glass dick?
don't you find it odd that bin laden naming 9 of the hijackers on the video was somehow left out from the translation even though they had plenty of time to review it?
again, as you can see from my previous post 12/18/01, I stated that the translation was more damaging than the govt had expressed, so the authenticity of it is no longer an issue.

[Pila]

Well, that's what threw me off -- since the crux of my post was about the authenticity of the tape... or, more specifically how it would have been dismissed by the American hating trolls no matter what proof they were to provide.

Anyways, to answer your question -- I have no friggin idea. Perhaps that part of the tape isn't as clear as the rest and so they were trying not to look as if they were speculating favorably.... knowing full well that the tape would be interpreted by independent entities a million times over and the names revealed then by the least agenda ridden. Or, simply an oversight on the official release.

Regardless! My point is the government shouldn't even have bothered. I wouldn't have.