EURO vs. Copa America

[Fenerliyim]

Euro however is gonna lose its elite feel when they expansion to 24 teams happens.

Lots of crappy teams are gonna get in that way.

[LindavG]

Euro however is gonna lose its elite feel when they expansion to 24 teams happens.

Lots of crappy teams are gonna get in that way.

Well I don't know, a lot of teams (mostly East-European) have improved greatly over the years and they can pose a serious threat to the "elite" teams.. I mean, would teams like Denmark, Serbia, Bosnia, Ukraine, England ()), Belgium (if they play to their capacities, they have very skillful players) really damage the competition? None of these teams were present at Euro 2008. I think 24 is maybe a bit much but it will also mean more people will get to see their team playing i.e. bigger audience > stimulation of football in those countries > increasing quality > more competition.. so it's beneficial in the long term I kinda like the idea actually.

[Fenerliyim]

imo if they cant make it when the tournament is 16 teams, i just dont think they deserve it.

lol whats the point of qualifying if 24 teams get. Thats like half of UEFA. Pretty much any somewhat decent team can make that.

[AxelFoley]

The World Cup is not more competitive, are you kidding? The World Cup has teams like North-Korea, New Zealand, Honduras, Saudi Arabia and what not The Euro has the top 16 best European teams. For me (and I think for most Europeans) winning the Euro is almost the same as winning the WC, the only difference is that with the WC the whole world notices you and with the Euro it remains restricted to Europe mostly, but it's definitely seen as a big deal here. People treat the Euro and the WC almost equally.

Are you saying that because you have won a Euro but not a WC? I don't know any reasonable person (or any person at all) that thinks that winning the Euro Cup is as big as winning the World Cup. You'd have to be on crazy pills.

A lot of points in this thread have been illogical, I'm too tired to answer all these because frankly, it would take all day. Zero did a good job at shooting most of them down.

[Solid Snake]

People treat the Euro and the WC almost equally.

Euro is miles away from being the same or as competitive as a WC. Greece won the Euro for god's sake


Here is an obvious reason to why:

How many times have UEFA won a WC????

How many times have CONMEBOL won a WC????


Would a WC be as competitive without CONMEBOL..... I don't think so , CONMEBOL have won as much WC's a UEFA..... so wtf?! You guys are overrating UEFA and underrating CONMEBOL at the same time......

The WC just shows how only 3 South American NT's can take on any UEFA NT

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Also you guys have to compare in proportions.... UEFA has much more NTs

Enough nonsense

[LindavG]

Are you saying that because you have won a Euro but not a WC? I don't know any reasonable person (or any person at all) that thinks that winning the Euro Cup is as big as winning the World Cup. You'd have to be on crazy pills.

A lot of points in this thread have been illogical, I'm too tired to answer all these because frankly, it would take all day. Zero did a good job at shooting most of them down.

Uhm no, I'm saying this because this is just my opinion Alright, so the WC has Argentina and Brazil, but it also has teams like Bahrein, New Zealand, Honduras and what not. Much weaker teams than you would find in the Euros. The groupstages in the WC are often a joke compared to the Euros. I didn't say winning the Euro was as big as winning the WC, I said the tournaments were close in terms of difficulty (and therefore, to ME personally, the feeling of accomplishment in winning an Euro is almost the same as with the WC) but I also said the WC is held in higher regard because it's world wide and the Euro is only restricted to Europe.

[LindavG]

Euro is miles away from being the same or as competitive as a WC. Greece won the Euro for god's sake


Here is an obvious reason to why:

How many times have UEFA won a WC????

How many times have CONMEBOL won a WC????


Would a WC be as competitive without CONMEBOL..... I don't think so , CONMEBOL have won as much WC's a UEFA..... so wtf?! You guys are overrating UEFA and underrating CONMEBOL at the same time......

The WC just shows how only 3 South American NT's can take on any UEFA NT

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Also you guys have to compare in proportions.... UEFA has much more NTs

Enough nonsense

You seriously think the World Cup is as competitive as the Euro? You mean the "Germany 8-0 Saudi Arabia, Argentina 6-1 Serbia" World Cup? Where even New Zealand, Bahrein and Honduras get a chance?

The WC just shows how only 3 South American NT's can take on any UEFA NT - No it doesn't. Only 2 CONMEBOL teams can take on any UEFA teams and everyone knows what those teams are. Just because Uruguay won a WC back in 1930 doesn't mean they're as good as any UEFA team today And yes, Brazil and Argentina are football powerhouses but it's no surprise considering the size of their populations. Still the last time Holland played Argentina in the WC (2006) they couldn't beat us

Oh and the example of Greece, well that just shows how competitive the Euro is Everyone was surprised by this, it was a shock win and a lucky one too but it's not like a team like Greece wins every time. The last time the final was between Spain and Germany, two of the best footballing countries in the world.

[Solid Snake]

You seriously think the World Cup is as competitive as the Euro? You mean the "Germany 8-0 Saudi Arabia, Argentina 6-1 Serbia" World Cup? Where even New Zealand, Bahrein and Honduras get a chance?

That no, of course... I'm replying according to the thread title.

The WC just shows how only 3 South American NT's can take on any UEFA NT - No it doesn't. Only 2 CONMEBOL teams can take on any UEFA teams and everyone knows what those teams are. Just because Uruguay won a WC back in 1930 doesn't mean they're as good as any UEFA team today

Ok... Take Uruguay out, it's still an amazing accomplishment for South America

Still the last time Holland played Argentina in the WC (2006) they couldn't beat us

In 98 we were in Netherland's group, yet we still qualified to the next round as 1st of group. You guys coudn't beat us

In 2002 we were in Italy's same group and yet we went to the next round as 1st place of the group.

My point is that even though we turned out 1st in the group that doesn't put us in Netherlands' and Italy's level.

[AxelFoley]

With so many teams from all over the world, of course there will be some lesser teams in the World Cup, but they're still no push-overs. Some results you mentioned is a part of the game, what do you want, 1-0 and 2-1 games? Sometimes these things happen. Serbia was not a bad team, which made the victory even more impressing for Argentina.

You do realise Holland beat Serbia with those numbers in the Euro 2000 as well, right?

Bottom line is, it's way harder to win the World Cup than it is to win the Euro Cup. You say it yourself by laughing at the lesser teams, they are not a big problem then and most likely won't make it through the group stage, the road to the final from then on is way harder than in the Euro.