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Ivan
04-18-2002, 03:21 PM
Four Canadian Soldiers Dead in U.S. Bombing Accident

By KEN GUGGENHEIM
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (April 18) - An American F-16 fighter mistakenly dropped at least one laser-guided bomb on Canadian soldiers participating in a nighttime live-fire training exercise in Afghanistan. Four soldiers were killed and eight injured, Canadian officials said.

It appeared the pilot didn't know he was flying over an area restricted for training - and so fire from the training exercise made him believe he was under attack, officials at the Pentagon said.

U.S. and Canadian officials said they don't know what went wrong in the attack that occurred at 1:55 a.m. local time Thursday (5:25 p.m. EDT Wednesday) near Kandahar, a former Taliban stronghold. The two countries planned a joint investigation.

''As to the circumstances of what appears to have been a terrible accident, clearly there are many questions that the families, and all Canadians, expect to have answered,'' Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien said in a statement.

Chretien said President Bush had called to offer his condolences. The White House did not issue a formal statement on the incident Wednesday evening, beyond noting that Bush had telephoned his Canadian counterpart.

Canadian defense officials said their soldiers were on a training exercise about 10 miles south of their Kandahar base. A U.S. Air National Guard F-16 dropped one or two 500-pound, laser-guided bombs, U.S. and Canadian military officials said.

Canada's defense chief, Lt. Gen. Ray Henault, told reporters in Ottawa that the U.S. fighter jet was not involved in the training exercise. Henault said the area was recognized as a training area and the aircraft were using very strictly controlled routes.

''How this can happen is a mystery to us. Without a doubt, there was a misidentification,'' Henault said.

Officials said the site of the accident was a former al-Qaida training camp now used daily by coalition forces for live-fire exercises

Canadian defense officials said two of the wounded soldiers had life-threatening injuries, one had very serious injuries and five suffered serious injuries.

Canadian forces are fighting alongside U.S. and European troops seeking to hunt down remnants of Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization and holdouts from Afghanistan's former ruling Taliban militia.

At the Bagram air base in Afghanistan, Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a U.S. military spokesman, offered his condolences to the victims.

''We do everything we can to mitigate risk,'' he said. ''We try to make sure we have all sorts of procedures, tactics and techniques in place to mitigate risk. But unfortunately, it's an inherently dangerous business.''

At the Kandahar air base, where both U.S. and Canadian forces are posted, the American and Canadian flags flew at half staff Thursday morning.

The bombing is among the worst friendly fire accidents since the U.S.-led campaign in Afghanistan began in October.

On Dec. 5, a B-52 dropped a bomb on U.S. and Afghan forces near Kandahar, killing three Americans and at least seven Afghans, and slightly wounding Hamid Karzai, now Afghanistan's interim leader. The investigation isn't complete, but officials have said there were errors in transmitting target coordinates to the B-52.

On Dec. 22, U.S. aircraft struck a convoy near Khost, killing dozens of Afghans. Some Afghans say the convoy was carrying tribal leaders to Karzai's inauguration, but U.S. military commanders insist it was a legitimate target.

A training accident in the Kuwaiti desert on March 12, 2001, killed five American soldiers and one New Zealand officer; a Navy F/A-18 pilot was mistakenly given the signal to bomb an observation post. Three Americans were injured.

AP-NY-04-18-02 0728EDT


Great job US Army, this is even better then killing innocent civillians! :rolleyes:

DognerDJ
04-18-2002, 06:00 PM
Boli mene kurac za obojne !

Fantastic
04-18-2002, 07:48 PM
No, no it was Bin Laden`s fault! :rolleyes:

Severus
04-20-2002, 12:01 AM
stupid fukking yankees ! permission was even denied for them to fire away!

its funny how most casualties on the allies side has resulted in US goof ups. and these fools are supposed to capture bin laden ? they can't even walk straight.

VERGOGNATI AMERICA !!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic
04-20-2002, 10:52 AM
My condolence by being a neighbour to a dumbass :rolleyes: ;)

Ronnie Raygun
04-20-2002, 01:11 PM
It's ok. Fantastic. We've been putting up with them for years.

What a terrible tragedy. Why is Canada there to begin with? Why were they doing training exercises at night without telling us what they were doing? What can you expect us to do when rockets are fired at us? Next time Canada needs to take better care of their soldiers and communicate with us.

Severus
04-20-2002, 06:28 PM
the US knew what we were doing MEATHEAD. that's why permission was denied when the pilots gave the co-ordinates.

like i said, and you're supposed to capture bin laden ? what a farce.

Ronnie Raygun
04-20-2002, 06:46 PM
Bin Laden is dead.

"The U.S. knew what we were doing"

So you are saying that Canadian troops were killed on purpose?

Severus
04-20-2002, 07:17 PM
bin laden isn't dead. that's just rubbish being released by the american media to cover up your incompetent intelligence.

as for the pilots, no i am not saying that they knew there were canadians below. all i am saying is that the command knew where the canadians were positioned and that's why permission was denied when the pilot requested it to attack.

and that my ignorant hillbilly, will give you a one-way ticket to a court-marshall for reckless negligence. comprende ? or would you prefer i explain myself in a language more suitable to your trailer park folk like jibberish ?

Ivan
04-20-2002, 07:49 PM
Ronnie - if it makes you fell better thinking that Osama is dead, then by all means continue to do so.

I do agree with you on one issue though.... what were the Canadians doing in Afganistan to begin with? I understand USA's presence, because you guys are the self proclaimed policemen of the world, so it is imperative that you have your men all around the globe - but Canada? I don't blame the Canadian soldiers who died for being there - I'm sure when they signed up for the army, unlike the US soldiers who sign up so they can go around bombing and killing other people, they signed up out of honor for defending Canadian borders if they had to. It's the stupid Canadian government trying to compete with their neighbours who are to blame for sending these guys to the hell-forsaken land of Afganistan. What will they put on their tombstones?? "Died at the hands of the Americans defending Canada in Afganistan" ??????

Severus
04-21-2002, 05:33 AM
its the war against terrorism ivan, that's what its all about. i know the US are the major combatants, but we have as much to be afraid of as the US do i think because american interests in canada would be much easier to realize because of our lax laws and high %'age of al-qaeda cells. therefore, canada must be defended.

besides, the US needs all the intervention from the allies it could get when all they've done in 7 months is implement some make-shift "federal government" in one city which is kandahar. the rest of the nation is still run by local tribesmen and the taliban surprisingly. gees, one can't even say they toppled the taliban because all their senior officials are anywhere but in US custody.

so really, what have they done besides nothing ?

Ronnie Raygun
04-21-2002, 10:37 AM
What's more likely, the most powerful nation in the world doing most of the work or the most powerful nation in the world doing nothing. Stop investing in conspiracy theories and use common sense.

I, like most Americans, agree with Ivan. I don't like the fact that The United States on occasion acts as the world police in the name of "human rights abuses". This is more likely to occur when a democrat is in office, and I'm a Conservative.

Severus
04-22-2002, 04:00 PM
you can do all the work you want in this war on terrorism. it doesn't mean you're getting anywhere though.

Ronnie Raygun
04-22-2002, 06:05 PM
I understand what you are saying......and I agree in part. It's going to be hard to tell what we've acctually accomplished.

Severus
04-23-2002, 06:38 AM
speaking of tension ivan, detroit fans booed the canadian national anthem sunday night when the raptors travelled there to face the pistons. i guess its because they killed 4 of our soldiers :confused: :confused: :confused:

Ronnie Raygun
04-23-2002, 11:13 AM
Yeah. That's right.

Ivan
04-23-2002, 06:12 PM
hmmm, what sort of crowd response will Pistons receive in Toronto? :confused: ;)

Ronnie Raygun
04-23-2002, 06:16 PM
They will cheer and thank us for inventing a sport that they enjoy.

Severus
04-23-2002, 09:55 PM
hmm ... last time i checked it was a canadian that invented basketball. thanks for coming out.

and ivan, in response to your question, the pistons will find that we are a little classier in toronto. we don't boo national anthems in our barns.

Porca Troia
04-24-2002, 12:16 AM
ronnie you claim this:

I don't like the fact that The United States on occasion acts as the world police in the name of "human rights abuses". This is more likely to occur when a democrat is in office, and I'm a Conservative.

then how do you explain, korea, vietnam, somalia, and that gypsy minefield formerly known as yugoslavia? none of the presidents that supported these wars was a democrat.

no, you conservatives prefer to wage wars for oil not saving human lives.

DRUMan
04-24-2002, 01:52 AM
Man,Osama is in my house,having Coke with Ruffles and seeing playboy!

Ronnie Raygun
04-24-2002, 11:16 AM
Korea and Vietnam were battles in the Cold War which was in our national interests. Kennedy and Johnson (Democrats)were responsible for Vietnam.

Somalia and Yugoslavia I totally agree with you. Bill Clinton (Democrat) is responsible for both of those.

And yes, we will wage war for oil if it's in our national interest. That's a part of what Desert Storm was about.

Ivan
04-24-2002, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun

And yes, we will wage war for oil if it's in our national interest. That's a part of what Desert Storm was about.

You'll wage war for oil because it's in your national interest at the expense of others. Because Americans somehow are better human beings then others and have more of a right to live?

That's fine - but then why do you acted shocked when most of the world despises you, and why are you surprised when terrorist attacks are executed against Americans.

Ronnie Raygun
04-24-2002, 02:53 PM
HAHAHA!

Ivan!, Do you actually remember Desert Storm? Or are we talking about something else? What started the whole conflict? Geez!

I'm not surprised that most of the world hates. I don't care that most of the world hates us. Most of the world are a bunch of idiots. And the reason they hate us has nothing to do with oil. It has everything to do with jealously and the fact that we can do almost everything better than everyone else. They hate the fact that we've been around for a short time and accomplished things that their countries never will. They hate us because the smart people in their countries got out and came here where they could live a decent life and make something of themselves. The United States is the melting pot. We are you.....just the better half.

DognerDJ
04-24-2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
HAHAHA!

Ivan!, Do you actually remember Desert Storm? Or are we talking about something else? What started the whole conflict? Geez!

I'm not surprised that most of the world hates. I don't care that most of the world hates us. Most of the world are a bunch of idiots. And the reason they hate us has nothing to do with oil. It has everything to do with jealously and the fact that we can do almost everything better than everyone else. They hate the fact that we've been around for a short time and accomplished things that their countries never will. They hate us because the smart people in their countries got out and came here where they could live a decent life and make something of themselves. The United States is the melting pot. We are you.....just the better half.

Ronnie , you are stupid idiot ! ( Don't watch CNN anymore ! )

Ronnie Raygun
04-24-2002, 04:46 PM
ok. I'm a stupid idiot....and you live in slovenjia so I guess I'm still better off.

Ivan
04-25-2002, 04:58 AM
The problem is Ronny that you Americans think that you are better then the rest of the world. You are the richest country in the world, true, but does that make you better then everyone else? Is Bill Gates a better person then every other American?

PS: Oh, and you should care why the rest of the world hates you, because from what I saw, you cared when Sept. 11th happened.

Ronnie Raygun
04-30-2002, 03:25 PM
I do care about that. And the rest of the world needs to know if they want to attack us their way of life will be over.

I don't care about wealth. I have hardly used that as a measuring stick.

Severus
04-30-2002, 03:59 PM
first off ivan, in response to your question, i was at the raptors game last night and after the playing of the american national anthem, we all clapped. perhaps the classless americans [cough cough] ronnie could learn something from your elegant neighbours to the north like, how to conduct yourself in public for starters.

I do care about that. And the rest of the world needs to know if they want to attack us their way of life will be over

oh really, just like all the senior officials of al-qaeda's way of life is over ? oh yeah, they're really living in fear when in 8 months into the war on terrorism all the US could muster is somewhat defeating the taliban and their obsolete weapons which were given to bin laden and the mujahedin by the US in the late 70's early 80's. what an achievement for a nation that pumps in billions of dollars to have the fiercest military in the world :rolleyes:

take a seat because for a country which contains over 200,000,000 inhabitants, and all the funds desired by you gluttons, you're a bunch of pansies.

Ronnie Raygun
04-30-2002, 04:47 PM
Then how do you explain Canada being a leech on our back?

Porca Troia
04-30-2002, 07:50 PM
for the record, richard nixon sent more troops to vietnam during his administration than kennedy and johnson combined during theirs and more soldiers died during that period than during kennedy's and johnson's.
although kennedy began the war to help the vietnamese from falling victim to the red terror, nixon continued to fight a losing war in order to sell war bonds.
that you find waging war for oil better than waging war for humanitarian reasons is exactly why the us has the reputation it has in this world. you are the reason why 9.11 occurred, too bad you weren't in one of the towers.

Severus
04-30-2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Then how do you explain Canada being a leech on our back?

atleast we respect thy neighbour, act like civilized people in public rather than boo other anthems like a bunch of ignorant hoodlums and not spend endless amounts of monies on a military that gets their clocks cleaned by the impoverished vietnamese.

Porca Troia
04-30-2002, 10:44 PM
i take offense to your comments sev. the comments expressed by ronnie are in no way reflective of the america as a whole.