Does anyone feel this way?

[Always Laziali]

Does anyone of you feel that the Premier League is not challenging......it is always the big teams that win...compared to Italy.....Venezia can draw to Roma and Atalanta can beat Inter....it is so amazing how in England most of the time the big teams win.

[fulham]

i think you need to follow the english league more and you will see it is the same.

[Fantastic]

That`s because the big Italian clubs suck!!! Just look at euro-competitions...

[Yacoob]

Italian clubs don't suck on European competitions, just because they couldn't pass to the quarter finals doesn't mean that they suck.

Roma deserved to go through but they failed to do so, in my opinion Liverpool were much worse than Roma on the group. Not to forget that 3-0 humiliation of Barcelona! ;)

And what about Juve reserves's victory against Arsenal?!! ;) :D

I haven't seen a PL match for quite a while now, neither did I follow their results for the last couple of months. I did watch some of the matches earlier in the season and like in Italy, anything could happen in their matches, a team from the relegation zone can beat the bigger, better performing teams. So it's just the same as in Italy. Maybe there are more fans who make a bigger emphasise on this single aspect when they talk about Serie A and use it as an excuse for their fave Italian team's failure to make much of an impact on a European level.

[Fantastic]

When did any of Italian clubs qualify more that to second round in 3 years??!!!

[Yacoob]

The word we should use is "disaster" not "suck". Either way, I know exactly what you mean, and I think we all have the same perception here.

BTW, is it just me or that the Italian teams results actually improved this year compared to last year?

Next year surely will be the Italians...

or the next...

or the next...

or the next...

;) :D

[Always Laziali]

Players in bottom clubs in England are inferior to those of Italy......in Leicester you have Akinbiyi but in Venezia you got Magallanes.....a future for Uruguay.

[Fantastic]

But these Leicester would kick even Roma`s ass!!! I don`t say that in Italian league ain`t good players; there are but the teams in global suck!!!

[Drummer]

The word we should use is "disaster" not "suck". Either way, I know exactly what you mean, and I think we all have the same perception here.

Some people are such idiots.
You call all 4 Italian teams defeats a "disaster"!!!
Thats a very nice way of saying losers.
No matter how you look at it Italian teams are crap in Eurpean Competitions. Disaster is no excuse. All teams have the same chances in the tournaments.
Pathetic excuses of Roma Lazio and Juve are just sad excuses to hide the fact that not 1 Italian team is capable of reaching the quarter finals let alone win the thing. Liverpool had a 2-0 aggregate win over 2 legs against Roma. 2-1 last year, in europe and every year Italian teams have disasters!! So what was it when English clubs were crap in europe and Serie A teams ruled??
IDIOT!!!

[ItalianBoy]

I thought you were over it Drum?
Well all I have to say is that yes its true that lately ITA teams have not done well in EURO, still we have very good teams. I think that next year we can do well.
Lets just see.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Italianboy loses again.

[Yacoob]

Originally posted by Drummer


Some people are such idiots.
You call all 4 Italian teams defeats a "disaster"!!!
Thats a very nice way of saying losers.
No matter how you look at it Italian teams are crap in Eurpean Competitions. Disaster is no excuse. All teams have the same chances in the tournaments.
Pathetic excuses of Roma Lazio and Juve are just sad excuses to hide the fact that not 1 Italian team is capable of reaching the quarter finals let alone win the thing. Liverpool had a 2-0 aggregate win over 2 legs against Roma. 2-1 last year, in europe and every year Italian teams have disasters!! So what was it when English clubs were crap in europe and Serie A teams ruled??
IDIOT!!!

This post speaks volumes about the level of your football knowledge.

Take a look at Italian teams results in Europe and tell me, can a team that suck beat Barca 3-0? Can a team that suck use their reserves and yet beat Arsenal? Your logic is very twisted for me, you take it as that just because a team couldn't reach the quarter finals, it renders the team and even its league as crap! Using the same logic, Arsenal is crap, which they aren't. Your logic is just too basic to understand what's actually going on in Italian football, your logic as I see it is like, beat the big team and you're the best, lose against the very small teams and you're the worst team, a crap team.

I won't reach your level and insult you for your lack of knowledge, I actually intended to post the reasons why Italian teams couldn't get past the second groups stage, but after reading your post a few times, I realised that you just ain't worth it.

Maybe when you grow up and reach the point where you can distinguish between your ass and a hole in the ground, we will make a real discussion about it...

[fulham]

it takes more then one good result to do good in europe. beating barcelona is good but it doesn't mean shit if you can't follow it up with other performances. nobody doubts itailian clubs have the talent they are just not consistent in europe.

[Ronnie Raygun]

.....and that's all Drummer was saying to begin with.

[Drummer]

I thought you were over it Drum?
Hold on It boy. I never said that the SErie A is crap or anything like that. All I said is that every team has the same chance, gets injuries, has bad luck etc, going into the tournament and to pass Serie A's dissapointments in the CL as a disaster is pathetic. It is a disaster for the teams alright, but isnt it to all teams that crash out?
Im not saying that they cant win the CL next year, just that they arent and were not good enough this year. How do you take up what I say wrong so much??????

As for Yacoob, I think that my fellow comrades fulham and Ronnie Raygun said all I needed to say.
I will answer the reason as to why no Italian teams progressed. It starts with "They " and ends with "arent good enough".!!!!
Hows that?

[Ronnie Raygun]

HA!

[Yacoob]

Excuse me, but I still think that there is too many reasons why Italian teams (I'm talking about Juve and Roma here, as both Lazio and Parma have been a failure this year, God, I hope Milan don't set foot on 4th spot), as I said, the results don't always speak fairly about the teams, sometimes you play well and still lose/draw, sometimes you play very badly and still make it. In this case, I'd like to say that Arsenal who failed to reach the quarter finals, are a better team than Liverpool, even though Liverpool made it the quarter finals, Arsenal didn't.

Off course more light will be put on the Italian teams as a whole when all of them fail to do that, which makes my Gunners/Pool comparison irrilevant.

Roma, to tell you the truth, if last season's Roma were playing, they'd got a big chance of getting the CL, eliminating any supposed force, but Roma this season have been plagued by attacking problems, they had to play most of the season with out of form strikers, they may be able to scrape out a 1-0 victory in Serie A with some hard work, but they couldn't find it as easy to score on CL, that's one of the reasons why that 3-0 victory against Barca was such a huge surprise.

Juve, I haven't seen many of their matches in CL myself, but from what I heard, most of Juve problems came from Lippi's weird selection choices in CL matches. Not to forget that this season was like a fresh experience for the players, where they had to adapt to a new style without former playmaker Zidane. I can say that Juve's exit was a real disappointment compared to Roma who, as I believe, did very well for a team that is only now reaching it's peak.

Lazio, ah, as you can see, they have had troubles in Serie A, they have been out of form for quite most of the season, so, I think they don't even deserve to play on CL.

Parma, still facing the danger of relegation in Serie A, is this really the team that got the 4th spot last year? Duh! As expected, a very early exit!

a little note, the attendence on CL matches for Italian teams playing in Italy is less than that in Serie A.

Another factor which may have harmed Italian teams is that there is a number of coaches who coach the top teams, whenever one of them get sacked, another top team sign him, and we're exactly looking at some failed coaches getting the chance to screw up another top Italian team, two of the coaches I'd like to see sacked and replaced by some new, and maybe foreign coaches are Milan's Ancelloti, and Lazio's Zac. Seriously, both of them just ain't up to the job, I wouldn't recommend them for my team on Serie B let alone for a big Serie A team!

[ItalianBoy]

Drum, chill dude! :)
Ronnie, one word for you: pathetic. :rolleyes:

[D'Artagnan]

Originally posted by Yacoob

Take a look at Italian teams results in Europe and tell me, can a team that suck beat Barca 3-0?
Actually, yes. Besiktas did not too long ago, and they're not too impressive. But anyway, I don't think anyone can have the nerve to deny that the Italian league isn't what it used to be, and that the level of play has diminished considerably, when compared to the leagues in Spain and England. Please. Three years in a row? It's not a coincidence or a particular disaster anymore. Spain and England have better leagues now, and there's no way that can be denied.

In Spain, in particular, the league is extremely close, and any of the weaker teams can complicate things for the stronger ones, even when these teams are excelling in Europe.

[ItalianBoy]

I dont agree so the meer fatc that EURO and C are 2 different things. The German C might suck but they always get teams in the finals etc. So your point is cancelled.

[D'Artagnan]

Oooh, you think it's not the same, so my point is cancelled just like that? No, pal, my point is not cancelled. :)

Unless you're a ridiculously stubborn and foolhardy person, you'll have to admit that how well the clubs from a particular league do when matched up against clubs from another has to be at least a factor in measuring how strong that league is. Denying that is blatantly stupid.

Now, sure, there may be other factors too. For instance, in Germany the difference between the top teams and the bottom teams is HUGE. And that does play a role too. Amongst the big leagues, the Spanish one is BY FAR the closest one, when one compares the bottom teams to the top ones. If you add that to the fact that the top teams keep excelling in Europe, then there's no way you can say that the Spanish league is not the best.

I think that in terms of closeness, there isn't such a big difference between EPL and Serie A, but the English teams have performed well recently, and that Italians haven't. There's no way to get around that.

Right now, Spain's league is number one and England's is number two. I think that anyone who can analyze soccer with even a small bit of objectivity can see that. Of course, it always hurts to see the teams from one's country continue to disappoint, but it's no good to live in denial.

Sorry, but that's the way things are.

[ItalianBoy]

No dude, Thats the way you like things to go. Cuz I personally have a different opinion. The C is one things the CL etc are another. You cant judge how a C is by how teams perform in CL etc, cuz Roma might have a bad day against Liv, example, but they might play marvellous against Lazio etc etc. So pls. You like the SPA league better, fine by me. The SPA and ENG are doing well in EURO this last CL season and the last 3, I agree. Next year? We'll see.
I think that the ITA C is still the best to watch. Personal opinion.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Artagnan wins.

[ItalianBoy]

what?
You must be loco for real dude. :rolleyes:

[Always Laziali]

If you compare the Italian leagues to English and Spanish,it is considerably harder!

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by HernanCrespo
Players in bottom clubs in England are inferior to those of Italy......in Leicester you have Akinbiyi but in Venezia you got Magallanes.....a future for Uruguay.

Venezia got some great players 2 uruguayan International Garcia and Magallanes,a Swedish International Daniel Andersson,Philippo Maniero exellent Italian Striker,and William Viali

Leicister City was very bad there players suck.

but look at AS Bari they were already on series b with 7 weeks remainig,Daniel Andersson and Yksel Osamanovski were part of that team,the rest of the players suck.

but I still thing both leagues are very competitive,but Series A is more competittve beacuse is a ver defensively league.

[Always Laziali]

Right there!

[Roberto Abrego]

But Premier League is very exiting beacuse we se allot og goals


and on La Liga we see a beautful soccer and world class players

[Always Laziali]

The Serie A is all about technique,tactics and skill.Players like Owen will not survive in the Serie A simply because he has no skills.He can only sprint well.

[Sergei]

Serie A is dull :(

1-0 is every game :(

except roma 5-1 lazio i enjoy game very much

[Always Laziali]

Precisely,it means you wanna continue watching.When I saw premiereship matches,when it was 2-0 i switched off the television immediately.

[Karishma]

It seems that currently that Italian football is suffering from overkill and while now they do suck(especially Lazio) maybe in a few years it will be better but for noe the results prove that Italian teams aren't achieving at European level and my view is that the premier english league and la liga are much more exciting than Serie a.

[Karishma]

You should not have switched off-everyone knows that football results can change in an instant maybe u missed something good!

[haroldino13]

The thing that makes Italian football so boring is the incredible amount of fouls that happen in every game. I used to watch the games every sunday morning and I couldn't take it. This is the reason why a lot of skillful talented players fail in Italy. It's easy to stop somebody if all you have to do is bring him down with a foul. The main focus of Italian football is defense and rough play, scoring goals is not important. If you watch the Argentine league or the Brazilian league, teams never stop attacking. It doesn't matter if a team is winning 5-0, they still continue to attack and score more goals. This is what great football is all about. In the Italian league a team scores a goal in the first 10 minutes and then sits on that lead for the rest of the game, not trying to score anymore goals. Boring as hell.

[romatheone]

i doubt if you really know something about italian league!!!!
have you ever watched roma's matches at all???
i'd be very surprised if you once watched Rama's match where "they
scores a goal in the first 10 minutes and then sits on that lead for the rest of the game, not trying to score anymore goal"!! let me know if you did!!!
plus, it is true that the main focus of Italian football is defense , but what is football??? all about attacks?? then i think it must be a good idea for you to change all the defenders into attackers!! then there are all attacks!!
a good player should be able to deal with all the defenders to prove his talent!!!

[GianPaolo]

Romatheone
He's a ***kin idiot he doesen't know anything about football. He's one of those guys that if a team doeseen't score a goal he get's pissed and turns the channel to another league. All he cares about is Goals, that's why he is a Barcelona fan. :smoking:

[haroldino13]

LISTEN DUMBASS, I DONT MIND IF A GAME ENDS 0-0 AS LONG AS BOTH TEAMS MADE AN EFFORT TO PLAY OPEN ATTACKING FOOTBALL. NOBODY GOES TO THE STADIUMS TO SEE DEFENDERS, THEY WANT TO SEE THE SKILL PLAYERS DO THEIR STUFF (RONALDO, ZIDANE, DEL PIERO,ETC). THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAYING TO WIN AND PLAYING NOT TO LOSE. MOST ITALIAN TEAMS PLAY NOT TO LOSE. THIS IS WHAT MAKES THEIR STYLE BORING. GET MY POINT? :rolleyes:

[romatheone]

LISTEN DUMBASS, I DONT MIND IF A GAME ENDS 0-0 AS LONG AS BOTH TEAMS MADE AN EFFORT TO PLAY OPEN ATTACKING FOOTBALL. NOBODY GOES TO THE STADIUMS TO SEE DEFENDERS, THEY WANT TO SEE THE SKILL PLAYERS DO THEIR STUFF (RONALDO, ZIDANE, DEL PIERO,ETC). THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAYING TO WIN AND PLAYING NOT TO LOSE. MOST ITALIAN TEAMS PLAY NOT TO LOSE. THIS IS WHAT MAKES THEIR STYLE BORING. GET MY POINT? :rolleyes:

hey,idiot, how does the idea of disqualifying all the defenders from football fields sound to you???
see the example of ***king Real Madrid??? you just can't believe how bad their defences are! and that was bound to lead to the result that they got nothing this season!!!!
we first play not to lose and than we paly to win, that is that best-ever idea!!!!
if you don't know about anything, shut your ***k up!!
anyway, thanks for letting me know that there is still such a stupid person like you ***king son of bitch in this world!!!

[haroldino13]

EH OH FRUITCAKE, TAKE IT EASY, DONT GET YOUR PANTIES IN A KNOT. REAL MADRID HAS DOMINATED CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOR THE PAST DECADE SO YOU JUST MADE MY POINT ABOUT WHY ATTACKING FOOTBALL IS BETTER. YOU DONT NEED TO GET ANGRY BECAUSE THE ITALIAN LEAGUE SUCKS. IF YOU LIKE SLOW AND BORING FOOTBALL THAT'S FINE WITH ME. :ronaldo:

[romatheone]

EH OH FRUITCAKE, TAKE IT EASY, DONT GET YOUR PANTIES IN A KNOT. REAL MADRID HAS DOMINATED CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOR THE PAST DECADE SO YOU JUST MADE MY POINT ABOUT WHY ATTACKING FOOTBALL IS BETTER. YOU DONT NEED TO GET ANGRY BECAUSE THE ITALIAN LEAGUE SUCKS. IF YOU LIKE SLOW AND BORING FOOTBALL THAT'S FINE WITH ME. :ronaldo:

hey, forget the match last season when Real Madrid lost to Juven last season? forget how they lost to Monaco this season?? they are all as good at attacking as before, but they lost because they are worse at defencing!!!!
yes, they did dominate most of the European Champion Leagues, but that's becasue they are not as bad at defencing as they are now. and that just helps to prove that defence is also important in a match. and i have never criticised attacking, which is absolutely an eccencial part in soccer as well as defence. but the thing is, they can't exist without each other. a good team is able to balance the relationship between these two.
oh,forget to tell you, AC milan won as many Championships as Real, if not more. how can you come to the conclusion that Spainish Leauge is better.
stop talking bulshits ,please!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nzbm]

Go LCFC!!!!
Foxes would beat any Italian team IMHO. They just need a stronger on field performance and they would nail Roma or Inter or Parma.