an interesting tidbit of info

[Severus]

the US is planning on implementing observers/monitors if you will in the middle east to get some primary insight as to what's going on there but one country opposes it.

and it sure as hell isn't palestine ......

[Ronnie Raygun]

Palestine isn't a country you idiot.

[Fantastic]

Of course it isn`t. Not any more, since Israel occupided there land!!! :rolleyes:

[Porca Troia]

the insanity of that tidbit is that the US is actually in need of going to the middle east to assess the situation. do we really need to go there to know what's been going on?
there will never be peace in the middle east mainly because one wants the other completely eliminated. so, let them completely massacre each other and when the dust settles may the victor relish.

[Severus]

that'd be ideal but when israel and the US prohibit other islamic countries like iran from sending arafat some weapons to defend themselves with, how can the victor be decided legitimatly ?

as for you ronnie, they are a country in my books ! you obviously had nothing else to add to this so you couldn't help but give us one of your vintage superficial points. but if you have nothing insightful to add, like concerning the contents of my original post for instance, don't bother posting something that would only fascinate an 8 year old.

[Fantastic]

These is double standard policy! When Serbs were attacking Albanians on their land, Nato and US bombed Serbia; now when Israel occupied Palenstinians country and is making terror on them, Nato is helping them insted of Palestinians??!!!

[OAnimal]

The fact is, that what NATO is always doing, is only to protect their own interests and nothing else.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Fantastic, that's a lie. The land NEVER belonged to the Palestinians. Before Israel had it, the West Bank and Gaza belonged to Jordan and Egypt.

Porca, the U.S. isn't in need of going to the middle east. The Palestinians are in need for the U.S. to come to the middle east. This move is pure politics. I agree with you on your second point.

Serevus, Iran is a terrorist nation. The leader of the Palestinians is a known terrorist. Why should a democracy give terrorists an even playing field?

"they are a country in my books!"

What book? Your personally inspired book of ignorance? Palestine is not a country. You don't know shit about current events or history. Why? Because you country is non-existant in our worlds history. How is Palestine "not" being a country a superficial point? It's a fact. I corrected you. The FACT that you didn't know shows that you have NO clue of what's going on in the world. Stick to ice fishing.

[Fantastic]

So the Israelians tooked land from Joradanians; big difference :rolleyes: Look into the historic books about Palestina!!! It is an ancient country wich was latter under Turks, Brittish colony, muslimans countrys and now also under Israel!

And lets us say something about these territory nowdays. Before the year 1980, there was living 90% of Palestinian popullation. When Israel was created, Israelians started to build new settlements (little towns) beside that all world was judgin that. Today on that entyre territory live only around 40% of Palestinians, and that is also because of genocid and terror that was being executed on them!

So let me hear your arguments, smartass!

[Porca Troia]

are you questioning who started the terror in the middle east? it might not have been the palestinians but certainly all the jordanians, egyptians and syrians that moved to the region did have something to do with the terror that ensued.

and your timeline is way off. you start with 1980 and then talk about the birth of israel in the same sentence.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Fantastic, all I said was that Israel didn't take the land from the palestinians because it wasn't palestinian land when they took it. I'm glad to see that you agree with me.

Are you just talking about the West Bank and Gaza or the whole of Israel?

[Fantastic]

Just there land! :rolleyes: :D Of course I think that Israel must have their country, but West Bank and Gaza belong to the Palestinians, but without Jeruzalem!!!

[Ronnie Raygun]

Barak tried to give them the land in 97' and Arafat turned down the peace settlement. How do you explain that?

[Ivan]

Arafat is an incompetent leader.

[Fantastic]

Israel is making terror on Palstinians but Nato is helping Israel. When Serbs were making terror on Albanians, Nato attacked Serbia. Both, Palestinians and Albanians don`t have their own country (I ment Kosovo not Albania). Explain that!!! :rolleyes:

[Ronnie Raygun]

Fantastic, stop avoiding my question. Why did the palestinians not take the offer which would have given them 97% of everything they wanted?

I know the answer, I just want to hear your opinion.

[Severus]

Serevus, Iran is a terrorist nation. The leader of the Palestinians is a known terrorist. Why should a democracy give terrorists an even playing field?

they did so with the mujahedin in bosnia and kosovo. they also gave them an even playing field in afghanistan against the soviet union as well. i guess only when it serves the interests of the US is it fine to even the playing field for terrorists.

What book? Your personally inspired book of ignorance? Palestine is not a country. You don't know shit about current events or history. Why? Because you country is non-existant in our worlds history. How is Palestine "not" being a country a superficial point? It's a fact. I corrected you. The FACT that you didn't know shows that you have NO clue of what's going on in the world. Stick to ice fishing

like i said, thanks for pointing out that palestine is not an official country. all i am saying though is that they should be recognized as such in my estimation.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Fantastic, stop avoiding my question. Why did the palestinians not take the offer which would have given them 97% of everything they wanted?

I know the answer, I just want to hear your opinion.

funny, it seems like its you that's always avoiding my questions like the ones concerning the mujahedin for example.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Point #1

Osama was fighting the might Russian military who invaded Afgahanistan! Not innocent women and children in a country in which war wasn't even declared! It doesn't surprise me that you can't see the difference. Why? Because your country plays no role on the world stage.

Point #2

Why should the palestinians be given a palestinian state when their own elected leader is a known terrorist and murderer? Is this how the free world should reward terror? The truth is, nobody really like palestinians, even muslim nations such as Jordan have slaughtered thousands of palestinians as few as 40 years ago. Where was the out cry then? The only reason people are for them now is because the dislike Jews even more.

Also, as recently as 97' Barak offered the palestinians 97% of everything they've wanted for the last 35 years and they rejected it? They didn't want a palestinian state themselves, why do you want one?

Fantastic, please answer my question.

[Fantastic]

If somebody ivaded USA and than ofered you 97% of your land back, will you accepted??!! :rolleyes:

[neki]

ronnie,

America was land of Indians...

What if the world decides to give them back their land and others could live in northen part of america and after some time, indians would start building in your part of America. Logical is that you would try to fight your country back. Would you be then terrorists?

[Fantastic]

Good point, Neki!

[Severus]

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Point #1

Osama was fighting the might Russian military who invaded Afgahanistan! Not innocent women and children in a country in which war wasn't even declared! It doesn't surprise me that you can't see the difference. Why? Because your country plays no role on the world stage.

Point #2

Why should the palestinians be given a palestinian state when their own elected leader is a known terrorist and murderer? Is this how the free world should reward terror? The truth is, nobody really like palestinians, even muslim nations such as Jordan have slaughtered thousands of palestinians as few as 40 years ago. Where was the out cry then? The only reason people are for them now is because the dislike Jews even more.

Also, as recently as 97' Barak offered the palestinians 97% of everything they've wanted for the last 35 years and they rejected it? They didn't want a palestinian state themselves, why do you want one?

Fantastic, please answer my question.

again you avoided my question about the mujahedin. that's a clever tactic you employ avoiding key questions then forcing others to answer yours .......

am i the only one who sees through this shallow cretin ?

[Ronnie Raygun]

Neki and Fantastic,

The land NEVER BELONGED TO TH PALESTINIANS.

Let that soak in.

Serevus,

I'm glad to see that you concede point 1 and point 2.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Oh yeah, I forget that to want to know something about a U.S./Mujahedin (HUM) connection? What is it exactly? Is it more of the United States suporting terror? If it is, I've already answered that. What I said about supporting the Afghans against the Soviets applys to the HUM in Bosnia as well. But you wouldn't understand that because Canada is the United States pet hampster.

[neki]

[QUOTE]
The Palestinian Authority exercises self-government in Gaza and portions of the West Bank. This entity is not currently an independent state, but is under the sovereign control of the state of Israel until its final status is settled. The country of Palestine was mandated by the League of Nations after WWI and existed under that name until the creation of Israel in 1948.

[QUOTE]

i'm not suporting terrorists, i just want to say, that Saron is nothing else but nazi hidding behind antisemitism...

[Ronnie Raygun]

First of all who is Saron?

And look at this.....

[QUOTE]

The land never belonged to the Palestinians.

[QUOTE]

As you can see, a quote doesn't hold much water unless you site a source.

[neki]

Ariel Sharon, if you know who he is...

[Severus]

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Oh yeah, I forget that to want to know something about a U.S./Mujahedin (HUM) connection? What is it exactly? Is it more of the United States suporting terror? If it is, I've already answered that. What I said about supporting the Afghans against the Soviets applys to the HUM in Bosnia as well. But you wouldn't understand that because Canada is the United States pet hampster.

the mujahedin used terrorist violence against innocent serbs and this was all OK with the US. then all of a sudden sept11 transpired and now its not OK to support terrorist organizations.

until it serves the best interest of the US then it'll be just fine again.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Serevus, your desperation has forced you into becoming a liar.....and I'm glad to see it.

Neki, I know who Sharon is. I was aking about Saron.

[OAnimal]

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun

Neki, I know who Sharon is. I was aking about Saron.
Are you so stupid, that you can't deal with a simple typing error?

[Ronnie Raygun]

No, I can "deal" with it quite nicly.

[OAnimal]

Then it's OK.

[Ronnie Raygun]

It's OK as long as we all know it's Sharon and not Saron.

[OAnimal]

I guess we all know that, don't we?

[Fantastic]

Yea, tipical American style; when you don`t have right answers and arguments, find another "stupid" problem, no matter how small it is and change the subject!!! Saron, Sharon...who cares, we all know what are we talking about so deal with the facts, give us your arguments or admit that you are wrong and shut the f*** up!

[Severus]

ahhh ... picking on simple spelling mistakes, you do that quite often eh ronaldo ? the true sign of one who desperatly lacks wits and direction, exposing spelling errors to deflect off the fact you are narrowminded, and never put forth a valid arguement. were you at the pro-israeli rally yesterday in washington DC ? because i could've sworn that one of those brainwashed ignorant sots (booing at the mere notion that even palestinians were suffering, when a jewish-american actually enlightened some and pointed it out) was you.

its you dirty hay-chewin hillbilly's that give good americans and north americans in general a rotten perception around the world. go back to your trailer park.

[Ronnie Raygun]

.....just another Jew hater with no credibility.

[001]

see you are so damn blind

where on earth did you see Severus say he hates Jews

he is just pointing out how stupid and silly you really are, and once again you pick up a stupid mythical excuse to cover you narrow midedness.


It really is a shame that ppl like you pollute wsb!

[Ronnie Raygun]

Obviously, you don't read many of Serevus's posts.

[001]

no i read TOO MANY of YOUR posts

[Ronnie Raygun]

If you don't like it then stop.

[001]

same to you

[Ronnie Raygun]

I never said I minded your posts.

[001]

:D hehehe you got me there!