Abortion

[Ronnie Raygun]

Who's for it and who's against.....and why?

[OAnimal]

I am absolutely for it. It is legal in most normal countries. When a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she (well, together with a man who did it ;)) should have a choice.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Actually, here in the States anyway, the man has no choice. The woman, or in many cases..."girl", can abort her child with no consent from the father, even though it's just as much the man's child as it is the woman's.

Animal, with all this talk of rights what would you say to the child's right to life? Do you not think that the child's right to life should supercede the mother's right to end the child's life?

Just wondering.

[ItalianBoy]

Well here is another thing that its very complicated and hard to explain all of our thiking on a board. Also, it depeds always on your religious beliefs. To me the kid is not born has no rights. Also, I am for it but until a certain momet. If the kid is over 4 months I dont think I will be for it. Plus, mistake? Well thats a big thing! I mean when you have sex you should know who you have it with and take all the preacutions! and if bad luck well check every once in a while and all that stuff.

[OAnimal]

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun

Animal, with all this talk of rights what would you say to the child's right to life? Do you not think that the child's right to life should supercede the mother's right to end the child's life?
Here I kind of agree with ItalianBoy, the unborn child doesn't even know about himself and doesn't live on it's own, so it should pretty much up to his (to be/not to be) parents what to do.

Originally posted by ItalianBoy

Plus, mistake? Well thats a big thing! I mean when you have sex you should know who you have it with and take all the preacutions! and if bad luck well check every once in a while and all that stuff.

Well, I may not have chosen the right word for it, but a woman can get pregnant from being raped as well... And not to mention that in some underdeveloped countries, children are usually not taught much about sex and related things at all...

[ItalianBoy]

Well if the lady is raped she should still check! Also, I nthis countries they have a 40% groth rate! they will take over soon! In the USA its like 4.0% while Italy is 1.0%!!!
I say we start ***king more! LOL :silly: :D :smoking: :heart: :kiss:
Otherwise theyre will be no more whites in the world but only Chineses and Africans and arabs!

[neki]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
I mean when you have sex you should know who you have it with and take all the preacutions.

what about when you're drunk and you "don't who you have it with" ??? :dead: :)

[pLatinum_boY]

then you just pray to god that you didn't fu*k an ugly chick and end up getting her pregnant...

[ItalianBoy]

Well if you are drunk I still dont tihnk you are THAT dumb! Still like Plati says! Hope for a hot chick! :D :silly:

[pLatinum_boY]

and then hope for a normal baby :D

[neki]

:D :D :rolling:

[Drummer]

what about when you're drunk and you "don't who you have it with" ???
You live by the sword you die by the sword!!!!

To me the kid is not born has no rights.
True, but because they have no way of voicing their rights, should taht make them any less a person?? What about a person who is on life support that cant speak or communicate? What about a handicapped person that cant communiocate at all with anybody, does that mean that they have no rights or feelings?

I am absolutely for it. It is legal in most normal countries. When a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she (well, together with a man who did it ) should have a choice.
I dont agree. Nowadays there are many ways for a woman to protect herself from concieving during sex. The pill, condoms and an injection are a few and there are no excuses, not least drink. Anybody who gets pregnant while drunk is stupid and should live with their mistakes. the human inside them didnt asked to be a result of a slutty fling or a mistake. Nobody is born a mistake, not even people who are results of rape. What was meant to be was meant to be. Dont get me wrong, i beleive that rape is worse them killing a person , because unlike death the person has to live with what has happened. I also think that are raped should be allowed to abort should they be suicidal or a serious threat to their health.

I am adopted and wouldnt be here if my biological parents had of aborted me. Thats the easy way out for pathetic people (who just dont want a baby, not who are in danger of their health or raped etc). A woman to get pregnant on her own actions (not rape) is her own fault and should face up and be respnsible. There are millions of people around the world and couples that cant have children and would love the chance to adopt them. Who are we to decide if a growing, yes a growing person should be terminated??? We all start growing from conception. Just because we dont remember doesnt mean we dont feel or care. Do you all remember what it was like to be 1 years of age? Or what it was like to be born? Then if you agree with abortion in the womb, whats the differance with killing a live baby that wont remember or give us their opinion. Why do they have rights? Because we can see them? There is very little between the 2.

[pLatinum_boY]

well said.
:)
u da man :D

[OAnimal]

DRUman, I don't agree with you, but I won't argue any further, because I already said what I had to say.

P.S. Just this. You say if someone makes a mistake, she should live with it. How would you feel if at the university the same rule would be adopted? I mean, if you would fail the exam, professor would say:"You made a mistake, you should live with it. You can't go to the exam anymore, so you should change the university?"

[Ronnie Raygun]

Italianboy, not to be an ass,....but who are you or anyone else to say when someone has rights? An abortion obviously stops ones life. We know life starts at conception, why not protect it. Why not protect the innocent?

And italianboy, I can't speak for other countries but here in the states it has nothing to do with religion.

[ItalianBoy]

Ronnie like I said this is an ahrd and complicated argument. And what? No religion? I will give you a movie title that talks about abortin. Its all religon! PLS! I am not saying I am for it all the times. I think that it depeds how grown is the kid.

[koreafan]

I am not pro or against abortion but I watched a film
when I was 7th grade my stupid teacher brought disgusting abortion film and made us watch
There is a baby inside and doctors put a metal tool to crush the baby then he used vacum tube to suck the broken pieces into glass
there were also bunches of dead bodies babies floating on water
I watched these all just to learn abortion kills little babies

[ItalianBoy]

That happens when the kid is grown mor then I think 2-3 months. I am AGAINST THAT! But when the kid is a tiny invisible hting I am for it.

[Drummer]

P.S. Just this. You say if someone makes a mistake, she should live with it. How would you feel if at the university the same rule would be adopted? I mean, if you would fail the exam, professor would say:"You made a mistake, you should live with it. You can't go to the exam anymore, so you should change the university?"

Theres a differance between trying to pass an exam to getting pregnant.
1. You try to pass an exam, effort, whereas in this particular discussion , conception comes out of stupidity, nothing else.
2. Exams are supervised, sex generally isnt, unless you are a swinger or you have a pimp standing over you.
3. We all want sex, not exams.
4. You get your exam results in a few weeks, you get the baby in a few months.
5. Baby's arent something you hang on a wall to be proud of, unlike the results of exams.
6. Comparing abortion to exams is proposterous no matter what the point you are trying to make. One doesnt go into exams expecting to fail. Abortion , unlike getting another shot at an exam, is not getting a second chance, its giving your baby no chance at all. So who is getting the 2nd chance? As for changing University's, one cant choose what their baby will be like, as I said, you make your bed, you sleep on it like a Man/Woman or adult.

[Ronnie Raygun]

I haven't heard one good pro-abortion argument.

[OAnimal]

... while I didn't read one good argument against abortion.

See, word good is very relative...

[Ronnie Raygun]

I have an argument against abortion in my country. Like I said, I can't speak for other countries. Since most of you are from other countries their is really no need.

[Severus]

i am pro-choice. that's it. we should have a right to make our own decisions and if that means killing a foetus --- then that goes with the territory.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Thank GOD you're not an American.

[Severus]

funny, i was just thinking the same thing .......

[Ronnie Raygun]

You don't have to be jealous. We'll help your economy, trade with you, let you come across the boarder to work, and fight your wars for you. Just stick to your ice fishing......America Jr.

We'll let you be on the J.V. team if you play nice.

[OAnimal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... You are number one country, civilised, smart, etc.
I can tell that from Jerry Springer shows or World Wrestling Federation...

[Ronnie Raygun]

Only a 3rd world simpleton like you would base your opinion of an entire nation off of a couple of T.V. shows.

[OAnimal]

Well, Slovenia is not yet in EU, but will be soon. You call this 3rd world? Way to go, pal, show all your ignorance to the world like a typical American who thinks that the world only spans from New York to Los Angeles...

[Ronnie Raygun]

***yawn***

And your world spans from Ljubljana to Ptuj.

So what?

[OAnimal]

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
***yawn***

And your world spans from Ljubljana to Ptuj.

So what?

Learn more about our geography and then we'll talk about it, OK?

[neki]

Originally posted by OAnimal
Yeah, yeah, yeah... You are number one country, civilised, smart, etc.
I can tell that from Jerry Springer shows or World Wrestling Federation...

:D :D :rolling: :D

OAnimal :thumbsup:

ronnie, you sounds ike average american, selfcentered, and if you're average american, than i guess you're fat too...

[Ronnie Raygun]

What? Are you in the third grade? I haven't called someone "fat"since I was 5 years old. Grow up.

[OAnimal]

That's because in USA most people are fat, so calling someone fat doesn't make any sense. :evil::D:D

[Ronnie Raygun]

That's not true. Yet another lie from the 3rd world.

[zeleni jurèek]

USA is a small, 2nd world country, like Slovenia!

we are not measured by economy in our land, only by brains....

but as a nation, we are absolutely smaller, so dont bully us please with your economy guesses, it's time to grow up, and quit comparing muscles (even if you dont have it, and you can show just your country's)

[zeleni jurèek]

i like to say i'm against

slovenia as a small nation needs to preserve its kind, and a quick no to all mothers would enable more informations on the topic of birth control and sterilisation of population, that can't / wont have children but does not practise safe sex.

sure i am for abortion when we have a child of a crime (rape) or bad surroundings of both parents, that for first cannot /wouldn't want to be accountable for their child.

And even those had to have that choice for let say 8 weeks, and no more (unless if that would be hasardous to mothers heath - then its her choice what to do). A consent of a father should be a "must" for every choice, but that is just my opinion,

I wouldnt want to have my child aborted. Even the very phrase gives me shivers.

[Ronnie Raygun]

I am against abortion no matter what the reason. I try to be consistant. I believe in the child's right to life.

[heidi]

That`s a man talking..

[Ronnie Raygun]

Don't be so hard on yourself. Many women also support the child's right to live.

[Michael Buckley]

Abortion is the murder of the innocent.Everyone has a right to life and that includes old and disabled people.Don't forget euthanasia as well. :sick:

[nachi88]

Abortion is the murder of the innocent.Everyone has a right to life and that includes old and disabled people.Don't forget euthanasia as well. :sick:

Last Sunday there was debate in our church over this topic, it got heated and later people lost all objectivity ( like football discussions :D). To be honest both sides have very valid points.

[RaulMadrid7]

Last Sunday there was debate in our church over this topic, it got heated and later people lost all objectivity ( like football discussions :D). To be honest both sides have very valid points.
both sides do have valid points, but when it all comes down to it, abortion is the right of the mother, and an accidental baby will not only ruin a woman's life it can also ruin the childs life so to stop this abortion should be between a woman and her baby not anyother's problem.

[PAO_HELLAS]

I believe abortion must be illegal. It is a murder like all the others, I don't understand why some of you see it different.

[MarieL]

And I don't understand how you can consider a few cells that have no consciousness yet and won't for quite some time a person. I guess mileages do vary...

[Calif]

I think that abortion is the right of the mother. But i think it should be Illegal.

[Darran]

Abortion is cruel, but that should be the last resort, if the mother has no way to provide for herself and her baby. The baby would be suffering for all his/her life.

[RaulMadrid7]

I think that abortion is the right of the mother. But i think it should be Illegal.

If you think it is a right then why make it Illegal? :lol:

[Toke-E-Yo]

I think that the abortiobn should have to take place in a certain number of weeks in to the pregnancy, like how it is now. Who in here really wants their 14 yr old daughter/niece/sister to have a kid?

[RaulMadrid7]

I think that the abortiobn should have to take place in a certain number of weeks in to the pregnancy, like how it is now. Who in here really wants their 14 yr old daughter/niece/sister to have a kid?

that's exactly what this whole topic is about, obviously older women should be more responsible but there are many young teenage women who are geting pregnant everyday, and if they don't get an abortion obviously it will ruin their lives and the baby's.

This whole issue has become political and religous that is why it is so "complex" although it is not.

[penguin_007]

peopel...its not up to you to decide whether or not the mother gets an abortion...

if she does, you wont be there to offer help, you wont be there at the hospital, you wont be there to talk to her, and you wont be there to do anything.

if she does not. you wont be there for the baby shower, you wont be there to take care of the child, you wont be there to buy the baby milk and diapers, you wont do anything either.

there is no universal rule as to agree or disagree, and unless its your girlfriend/yourself, you have no right to judge someone based on a single act. and unless you are going to help them go through something like this all the way, please refrain from any critisism, like saying its right or wrong.

[PAO_HELLAS]

I think that abortion is the right of the mother. But i think it should be Illegal.

Even like that I agree, she can do the abortion, but that means jail :D .

[PAO_HELLAS]

I think that the abortiobn should have to take place in a certain number of weeks in to the pregnancy, like how it is now. Who in here really wants their 14 yr old daughter/niece/sister to have a kid?

Oh yeah? But if the 14 year old little girl wants to be ***** all the time but kills her children, doesn't deserves jail? If you are talking about rape that is a different situation.

[poutismalakas]

My Opinion is that Abortion is UNTIL people start being responsible for their actions a nessesary evil! Too many people think it is ok to view sex as just fun and natural... well guys it is NOT! Yes it feels good and is fun... BUT it is also a GREAT responsiblity sex is nature's (or GOD's) way of procreation. I feel that there are people who have NO PHUCKING business having kids get pregant all the time! Abortion is an option for that person? The funny thing is that people who are pro-life are usually pro-death penality and anti-death penalty are pro-choice?? go figure :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I think the best way is to start teaching responsiblity again! People need to start taking responsiblity for their own actions again.... and NOT blaim mommy and daddy for not paying enuff attention to me as an excuse for why "I'm in jail or on welfare" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Once apon a time if you didn't work you starved!!!

[PAO_HELLAS]

The funny thing is that people who are pro-life are usually pro-death penality and anti-death penalty are pro-choice?? go figure :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It is not the same thing. In the death penalty death is a 'punishment', in the abortion it is a clear murder of another person. A clear infanticide.

[poutismalakas]

It is not the same thing. In the death penalty death is a 'punishment', in the abortion it is a clear murder of another person. A clear infanticide.
Your right Pao! They are NOT the same! What I was trying to say it that you have people who want the death penalty banned BECAUSE it ends life BUT at the same time they think it is ok to "end a pregancy" :rolleyes:
Death is death BUT a unborn child DIDN'T asked to be conceived! A criminal who is getting the death penalty has been convicted of a crime that merits that punishment!