Dutch League

[Drulic]

Round 11 of the Dutch League this weekend

Roda JC - NEC vr 26/10
Heerenveen - De Graafschap za 27/10
PSV - RKC Waalwijk za 27/10
AZ - Fortuna Sittard za 27/10
FC Twente - Vitesse za 27/10
Feyenoord - FC Utrecht zo 28/10
Ajax - Willem II zo 28/10
FC Groningen - FC Den Bosch zo 28/10
Sparta - NAC di 30/10


Team G W G V P V T Last 10

1 Ajax 9 7 1 1 22 21 - 8 7-0-0
2 Vitesse 10 6 3 1 21 10 - 3 6-2-1
3 Feyenoord 8 6 1 1 19 17 - 3 5-1-1
4 Heerenveen 10 5 3 2 18 22 - 9 4-2-2
5 Willem II 10 4 4 2 16 16 - 12 3-4-2
6 FC Utrecht 10 5 1 4 16 16 - 12 5-1-3
7 PSV 10 4 2 4 14 16 - 16 4-1-4
8 NEC 10 4 2 4 14 10 - 16 4-2-3
9 RKC Waalwijk 10 4 1 5 13 11 - 10 4-1-4
10 De Graafschap 10 4 1 5 13 14 - 17 3-1-5
11 FC Den Bosch 10 2 6 2 12 12 - 11 2-5-2
12 NAC 10 3 3 4 12 12 - 17 2-3-4
13 AZ 10 3 2 5 11 11 - 14 3-2-4
14 Sparta 10 2 4 4 10 10 - 21 2-4-3
15 FC Twente 9 2 3 4 9 10 - 15 1-3-4
16 FC Groningen 10 2 2 6 8 9 - 17 2-1-6
17 Roda JC 10 2 1 7 7 10 - 17 2-0-7
18 Fortuna Sittard 8 1 2 5 5 8 - 17 1-1-5

PSV has to continue the good form in order to still have at least a small chance of winning the title, Feyenoord has a difficult game against Utrecht and I wouldn't be surpised if Ajax would lose points for the second time this week against Willem II.

Anyone who would like to give a comment about it, has the chance to do so. ;)

[Drulic]

Played on Sunday, October 28:
Groningen 2 Den Bosch 0
Kurt Elshot 80 ; Ignacio Tuhuteru 90

Feyenoord 4 Utrecht 0
Pierre van Hooijdonk 37 , 77 , 88 ; Johan Elmander 67

Ajax 4 Willem II 1
Rafael van der Vaart 18 ; John OBrien 72 ; Nikos Machlas 80 ; Richard Knopper 88 - Tom Caluwe 45

Played on Saturday, October 27:
AZ 3 Fortuna 0
Ali Elkhattabi 37 , 65 ; Kenneth Perez 83

Twente 0 Vitesse 0

PSV 2 RKC 0
Dennis Rommedahl 19 ; Mateja Kezman 81

Heerenveen 1 De Graafschap 0
Marcus Allback 18

Played on Friday, October 26:
Roda 0 NEC 0



P W D L FA Pnt
1 Ajax 10 8 1 1 25-9 25
2 Feyenoord 9 7 1 1 21-3 22
3 Vitesse 11 6 4 1 10-3 22
4 Heerenveen 11 6 3 2 23-9 21
5 PSV 11 5 2 4 18-16 17
6 Utrecht 11 5 1 5 16-16 16
7 Willem II 11 4 4 3 17-16 16
8 NEC 11 4 3 4 10-16 15
9 AZ 11 4 2 5 14-14 14
10 RKC 11 4 1 6 11-12 13
11 De Graafschap 11 4 1 6 14-18 13
12 NAC 10 3 3 4 12-17 12
13 Den Bosch 11 2 6 3 12-13 12
14 Groningen 11 3 2 6 11-17 11
15 Twente 10 2 4 4 10-15 10
16 Sparta 10 2 4 4 10-21 10
17 Roda 11 2 2 7 10-17 8
18 Fortuna 9 1 2 6 8-20 5


PSV is climbing in the standings, Feyenoord performed great against an always tough opponent :D, Utrecht. Ajax also recovered well after being beaten 5-1 by Heerenveen earlier this week.

[An9el123]

Ajax will go down

and feyenoord only can do better better :)

[Drulic]

Well I hope so, Heerenveen showed this week that Ajax isn't invincable, Feyenoord today showed great form and let's hope they continue to play like this.

PSV is still threat to me, although I thought they were out of the title-race they've proved me wrong.

Last year Feyenoord was leading well heading into the second part of the season, and we know what happened, Feyenoord kept losing points whereas PSV was winning every game.

But for now I'm satisfied with Feyenoords performances. :D

[An9el123]

I know what can happen in the last weeks :( like
last year, but this is a new year and they will end ok !

I have fait in them

[Drulic]

02/11 LGE Willem II 1 - 1 Vitesse Arnhem
03/11 LGE Sparta Rotterdam 2 - 1 PSV Eindhoven
03/11 LGE Fortuna Sittard 1 - 0 Heerenveen
03/11 LGE NEC Nijmegen 1 - 0 AZ Alkmaar
03/11 LGE RKC Waalwijk 3 - 3 Den Bosch
04/11 LGE Roda JC 3 - 1 Groningen
04/11 LGE De Graafschap 1 - 1 Ajax
04/11 LGE NAC Breda 2 - 1 Feyenoord
04/11 LGE Utrecht 1 - 1 FC Twente


P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Ajax 11 8 2 1 26 10 16 26
2 Vitesse Arnhem 12 6 5 1 11 4 7 23
3 Feyenoord 10 7 1 2 22 5 17 22
4 Heerenveen 12 6 3 3 23 10 13 21
5 NAC Breda 12 5 3 4 17 20 -3 18
6 NEC Nijmegen 12 5 3 4 11 16 -5 18
7 PSV Eindhoven 12 5 2 5 19 18 1 17
8 Willem II 12 4 5 3 18 17 1 17
9 Utrecht 12 5 2 5 17 17 0 17
10 AZ Alkmaar 12 4 2 6 14 15 -1 14
11 RKC Waalwijk 12 4 2 6 14 15 -1 14
12 De Graafschap 12 4 2 6 15 19 -4 14
13 Den Bosch 12 2 7 3 15 16 -1 13
14 Sparta Rotterdam 12 3 4 5 14 25 -11 13
15 Roda JC 12 3 2 7 13 18 -5 11
16 FC Twente 11 2 5 4 11 16 -5 11
17 Groningen 12 3 2 7 12 20 -8 11
18 Fortuna Sittard 10 2 2 6 9 20 -11 8

The big three all lose points, very surprising weekend.

[Puskás]

DRULIC!

what you think, how big is the chance for NAC to end up within the top five in this years eredivisie?

[Drulic]

Well they sure as hell have the potential to end up in the top 5, with the best keeper in the league Babos (Hungarian BTW :D ), Hersi one of the most promising Dutch talents at the moment, they have a good attacking duo with Salmon and Stewart.

They're playing great football at the moment, I'm impressed so far. And I hope they do surprise in the league cause at the moment they're a breath of fresh air.

[Drulic]

24/11/2001 Vitesse - Roda JC 2 - 0
24/11/2001 De Graafschap - Sparta 3 - 0
24/11/2001 FC Twente - Heerenveen 0 - 0
24/11/2001 NAC - FC Groningen 5 - 0
24/11/2001 Fortuna Sittard - RKC Waalwijk 1 - 4
23/11/2001 AZ - FC Den Bosch 3 - 2


1 Ajax 12 8 2 2 26 27 - 13
2 Feyenoord 11 8 1 2 25 25 - 7
3 Heerenveen 14 7 4 3 25 26 - 10
4 NAC 14 7 3 4 24 25 - 21
5 Vitesse 13 6 5 2 23 13 - 7
6 FC Utrecht 13 6 2 5 20 23 - 17
7 PSV 13 6 2 5 20 22 - 19
8 RKC Waalwijk 14 6 2 6 20 19 - 16
9 Willem II 13 4 6 3 18 19 - 18
10 NEC 13 5 3 5 18 12 - 19
11 AZ 14 5 2 7 17 17 - 18
12 De Graafschap 14 5 2 7 17 18 - 25
13 FC Twente 13 3 6 4 15 14 - 17
14 FC Groningen 14 4 2 8 14 16 - 27
15 FC Den Bosch 14 2 7 5 13 18 - 22
16 Sparta 14 3 4 7 13 14 - 31
17 Roda JC 13 3 3 7 12 14 - 19
18 Fortuna Sittard 12 2 2 8 8 12 - 28

interesting fact for you Sanyi, both Peto and Feher scored this weekend in NAC's convincing win.:D


Ajax - PSV zo 25/11 13.00
NEC - FC Utrecht zo 25/11 14.30
Feyenoord - Willem II zo 25/11 14.30

The big game between Ajax and PSV this weekend. Interesting fact for PFC, the game's about to start with Keza in the starting line-up. ;)

[Drulic]

And after 6 minutes its 0-1 KEZMANIAAAAA, he went crazy after he scored an easy but very important goal. :D ;)

[DRUMan]

i like psv!!!

[TOTTIgirl]

FEYENOORD will be the dutch champion!!!ajax sucks!!!and psv, they were good last year but now, I don't think so!!!!!!

[Zek]

dutch teams are very weak now

by the way this forum is very active one post per month

[TOTTIgirl]

dutch teams very weak!!oh just shut up!!there are lots of people who do appreciate our league, but they just don't come to this site,because there is only 1!!dutch message board.tell me ZEK how many dutch people have you seen on this site.that explains why this mb has so little posts.its not the dutch league, its your site!!!!
FEYENOORD!!!!!!

[Zek]

why're so angry Tottigirl :confused:
yep there're not many Dutch people around, so it's just a fact the forum is not active. But since we have you around hopefully the forum will be a bit more active ;)

of course Dutch football brings so many stars that Dutch league is interesting. I have a videotape with best goals from dutch league 80' and 90's collection i like them more than british league goals...
but about Dutch TEAMs they are weak honestly, I mean comparing to british and spanish teams.
was it feyenoord making fun over Lazio in CL ?
I like Ajax more may it sounds like my real name :p
seriously the last strong team from holland was that Ajax which won CL and played in finals.
I hope to see Ajax or Feyenoord playing well, I am missing Ajax in CL

[TOTTIgirl]

I'm angry because there are always lots of people putting our league down, and not taking it serious.We have lots of worldclass players, in which many big clubs from italy/spain/england are interested.its just a money problem, we are just a small country we haven't got millions to spend on just 1 player, and the salary's of the players are also lower.thats why everyone leaves: money!!if you would watch more eredivisie then you would see how entertaining it is, there are lots of teams who play on the same level and who are all candidats for winning our league.and I know that internationally we are nothing, but there is the money problem again.

[Zek]

agree
the Dutch league is always respected and only stupid people could say they're not counting it. saying it's weak and not taking it seriously're two different things i guess.
as usual the money is the problem and will be a problem in the future too. I think sometime in couple of years the money will not mean that much cauz football is about spirit too just look what happens to Lazio or Milan or Barcelona, a lot of money but spirit is falling down. maybe then the Dutch teams would have more chances in europe.
i'm watching dutch league on eurosport the derbies are fine but losers games are disaster, and again comparing to the soccer I've seen here in sweden or in Russia or at home the dutch league is almost as strong as calcio;)

[Roberto Abrego]

Ajax beat the crap out of Sparta 4-0 and Zlatan scored!!!

[TOTTIgirl]

zlatan is overrated, mido is the real talent

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by TOTTIgirl
zlatan is overrated, mido is the real talent
Thats not true Zlatan is not overrated he is an exellent striker

[R9ronaldo]

psv will win

[DRUMan]

GO PSV!!!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego

Thats not true Zlatan is not overrated he is an exellent striker

They're both good young players. As a duo, they've done very well together this preseason.

[TOTTIgirl]

I think Ajax will win again this season. they really impressed me at the A'dam tournament. van der Vaart rules!! and Chivu he's great too. Koeman's just a world class coach to have cleaned up Adriannse's mess so quickly!

[Azerkid]

Yes Koeman is a great coach, especially for the youngsters, and one thing i like about him is that he's calm and cool &doesnt start getting too emotinal during situations
Koeman is the perfect coach for this team

[DRUMan]

When the season will start?

[Azerkid]

I'm not sure but i think its next week or something

[crvena zvezda]

the dutch league is the weakest in the world. they hve a few big name players and thats it. the team names suck and the coaches are moronic. dutch league is just a minor-league nobody. all their players are imported and their best players are sick of playing in secondrate stadiums with secondrate uniform for secondrate fans, so they go abroad

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by crvena zvezda
the dutch league is the weakest in the world. they hve a few big name players and thats it. the team names suck and the coaches are moronic. dutch league is just a minor-league nobody. all their players are imported and their best players are sick of playing in secondrate stadiums with secondrate uniform for secondrate fans, so they go abroad

:rolleyes: You obioulsly get high on drugs before you post, do ya??? it sure seems like it by your posts.

What the hell you mean by secondrate fans and uniforms????

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by crvena zvezda
the dutch league is the weakest in the world. the team names suck and the coaches are moronic.

I don`t know why I bother but this isn`t exactly a convincing point you make. :)

You tell me a better name than Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink. :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


I don`t know why I bother but this isn`t exactly a convincing point you make. :)

You tell me a better name than Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink. :D

If that was the best he can post soccer fanatic, he's not worth our time. His posts are about as useful as half a nipple! :D

[DRUMan]

I think that the Holland league is simpatic,have great stadiums,nice supporters and an offensive soccer.I like it!

[soccer fanatic]

I couldn`t agree more!

We play offensive and always for the three points.
(Except Den Bosch last year) Our stadiums aren`t the biggest but look nice.
The homegrounds of teams like Ajax, Vitesse, PSV, Heerenveen and ofcourse Feyenoord all have something special.
De Kuip is the nicest one, I`m sad to say. (Ajax fan)

I`m not sure if I agree on the great supporters.
National team suporters are ok, but some club supporters are ruining football for everyone.
Haven`t you heard of the problems with fans in Holland??

But overall for such a small country its a good league, with several very good players.

[Azerkid]

The Dutch League is a great league, its not full of 100.000 capacity stadiums, World Class players, or even $$$ spending clubs but it has the best youth systems in the world, and a great tradition with its clubs. Some while ago in early to mid 90's the Dutch league was one of the best but the stars moved on to other clubs, but still more youngsters are developing in the Youth systems.


BTW, I consider the Dutch League one of the funnest to watch with its great offensve futbol ;)

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Azerkid
BTW, I consider the Dutch League one of the funnest to watch with its great offensve futbol ;) [/B]

I hope funnest doesn`t mean funniest, I`m not sure if that would be a compliment. :) I hope you meant fynest.
If so, I agree, but it seems to me no one else around here does.
When I first came here I thought: Great I can discuss our league with foreigners, with different visions and thoughts, but there is no one here.

I posted the news that Mido wanted to leave, no one cares.

Everybody here seems to care more for the Italian, Spanish and East European leagues.
I do like it here though....

Azerkid, would you know a good iinternational forum to discuss the Dutch league? It has to be international.
I prefer a busy one.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


I hope funnest doesn`t mean funniest, I`m not sure if that would be a compliment. :) I hope you meant fynest.
If so, I agree, but it seems to me no one else around here does.
When I first came here I thought: Great I can discuss our league with foreigners, with different visions and thoughts, but there is no one here.

I posted the news that Mido wanted to leave, no one cares.

Everybody here seems to care more for the Italian, Spanish and East European leagues.
I do like it here though....

Azerkid, would you know a good iinternational forum to discuss the Dutch league? It has to be international.
I prefer a busy one.

I was meaning ''fun'' to watch :D

I understand you completely, this joint is preety dead mostly because the members that like Dutch soccer are busy with outher forums, but do you know any people who like Dutch soccer? I had no luck finding people. The best place to discuss Dutch soccer is in the Ajax forum but only about Ajax since I love the Dutch NT :(

I dont know any forums about Dutch soccer but you can try searching it on the internet because there probably some forums out there

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Azerkid


I was meaning ''fun'' to watch :D

I understand you completely, this joint is preety dead mostly because the members that like Dutch soccer are busy with outher forums, but do you know any people who like Dutch soccer? I had no luck finding people. The best place to discuss Dutch soccer is in the Ajax forum but only about Ajax since I love the Dutch NT :(

I dont know any forums about Dutch soccer but you can try searching it on the internet because there probably some forums out there

Most friends I have (which aren`t to many, but they are good friends. :)) don`t like soccer. They who do don`t like discussing it on the internet, but just at home. I did visit some Dutch forums but it sucked. I`m not interested in discussing it with Dutch people, because most of those people are very fanatic for the team they support. A lot of foul language and swearing, its hard to discuss something with those people. Because I like discussing the Spanish, English and Italian leagues. Ah well, soon the CL starts and then there will be enough to discuss. With a bit of luck a Dutch team wins it :) and then we might become interesting again. Maybe we are in luck and will some people join this forum who like Dutch football.
Which teams do you support, which Dutch team? AZ? (nick)

Do you know who started this forum? There is a strange balance in supporters for different leagues here. A lot of Italian league supporters and more unknown leagues. (Eastern Europe)

And the best thing here is that there are supporters of a lot of different teams, and people treat each other with respect and dignity. (Sounds like the closing statement of a Jerry Springer show. :)

Besides, the fact is I already know how my friends think of football, so why discuss it? I don`t have many friends who are really fond of football, to discus it with.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


Most friends I have (which aren`t to many, but they are good friends. :)) don`t like soccer. They who do don`t like discussing it on the internet, but just at home. I did visit some Dutch forums but it sucked. I`m not interested in discussing it with Dutch people, because most of those people are very fanatic for the team they support. A lot of foul language and swearing, its hard to discuss something with those people. Because I like discussing the Spanish, English and Italian leagues. Ah well, soon the CL starts and then there will be enough to discuss. With a bit of luck a Dutch team wins it :) and then we might become interesting again. Maybe we are in luck and will some people join this forum who like Dutch football.
Which teams do you support, which Dutch team? AZ? (nick)

Do you know who started this forum? There is a strange balance in supporters for different leagues here. A lot of Italian league supporters and more unknown leagues. (Eastern Europe)

And the best thing here is that there are supporters of a lot of different teams, and people treat each other with respect and dignity. (Sounds like the closing statement of a Jerry Springer show. :)

Besides, the fact is I already know how my friends think of football, so why discuss it? I don`t have many friends who are really fond of football, to discus it with.

I support Ajax

The guy that started this forum is "Omar" you can PM him if you have any questions.
I agree with you about the balance on this forum where most fans are either East European, or Inter & Lazio :(

Tell me about you self, Are you Dutch? What clubs you support? etc....

[soccer fanatic]

Yes I am Dutch and live in Holland, I support two Dutch teams, Ajax and Vitesse. I have to say that Ajax is far more important than Vitesse. I visited some Ajax matches, but is expensive and hard to reach if you live too far from Amsterdam. I had a season ticket for Vitesse for three years. Got into a lot of trouble because when they played Ajax I cheered for them. Other supporters didn`t like that.

Outside Holland these teams:
In Spain Barca (Quite obvious, it is (or was) Ajax 2, with all due respect ofcourse. :) )
I also follow Deportivo la Coruna in Spain.

In Italy I support no specific teams.

In England I support Arsenal. (Bergkamp)
I follow every other team, I don`t have anything against any team, like them all.

In Germany I support Schalke`04 and Hertha (Stevens)
I follow a few teams also. (Bayern Munchen, Leverkusen, Bor Dortmund HSV)

In Scotland Celtic (screw Glasgow`s Dutch colony, except De Boer.) They have a great trainer in O`Neill, even though they are in a dip right now.

National teams: Holland and Ireland (especially without Keane, great supporters.) Ofcourse I follow all big national teams.

So how about you?

[Azerkid]

I am from Azerbaijan (former USSR)and live in the USA, and i'm a huge fan of Dutch soccer.

From Holland i support Ajax
England: Arsenal, Chelsea, and Fulham (Van der sar)
Spain: Barcelona and Deportivo
Italy: Inter
Germany: Schalke and Dortmund
Scotland : Rangers

Holland is my favorite national team only after Azerbaijan is Holland, and then Brazil and Spain, and my favorite player is Patrick Kluivert.

Some day I would like to visit Holland.

BTW, could tell me about Holland, like hows the life and the people?

[soccer fanatic]

I don`t know exactly what you want to know about Holland, I can give you a better respons if you ask me clear questions. :)

Nice to see we pretty much agree on favourite teams, except Scotland. :)

[Azerkid]

Hmm..... How much tickets cost for Ajax games????

[soccer fanatic]

Hard too say. Costs vary a lot, depending on the matches played. Perhaps the official Ajax site can give you an answer or maybe the Ajax USA page (Maybe I don`t know to be honest.)
Are you asking this for a reason? Are you coming too Holland and want to visit a match?

I also think for most matches you will need a clubcard.
Its all so difficult here....

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Hard too say. Costs vary a lot, depending on the matches played. Perhaps the official Ajax site can give you an answer or maybe the Ajax USA page (Maybe I don`t know to be honest.)
Are you asking this for a reason? Are you coming too Holland and want to visit a match?

I also think for most matches you will need a clubcard.
Its all so difficult here....

Nah, i'm just curious

Is it the same way for the NT games too?

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Nah, i'm just curious

Is it the same way for the NT games too?

I believe, but I`m not sure you need a National team clubcard for that. (Supporters Clubcard Oranje) I`m not sure, I rather visit Ajax than the Dutch NT. :)

[GERMANIC]

09/24/2002. PSV Eindhoven boss Guus Hiddink has revealed that he has received death threats since returning to Holland after his exploits at the World Cup with South Korea.

The former Dutch coach received an anonymous letter containing two bullets, forcing him to briefly contemplate quitting the game.

He told the Evening Standard: "The message was along the lines of, if you have the same success in the league with PSV as you did with Korea, we'll kill you with one bullet. Or if you succeed in the Champions League, we'll kill you with the other.

"Maybe it wasn't a serious threat but it was serious to me. It was a shocking time and, speaking from my heart, I was thinking of retiring and going to live in Madrid.

"For two weeks after those awful threats, it was all I could think of.

"It may have been just a few lunatics spoiling everyone's fun. I told myself 'let your emotions die down and see how you feel in 10 days'.

http://www.soccerage.com/en/13/h4986.html

[soccer fanatic]

I already responded to this but again: Yes, I read this, not the first (coach) to be threatened in Holland. And again: What the hell is going on here?

[monte]

it is just a sick joke man, nothing serious.

[soccer fanatic]

Are you from Holland??

[ballackgurlie]

I'm from holland but I don't like the dutch league at all...
It's so boring. I luv the german an english leagues.
Just had to say it :)

Marileen

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by ballackgurlie
I'm from holland but I don't like the dutch league at all...
It's so boring. I luv the german an english leagues.
Just had to say it :)

Marileen

Boring? The Dutch League is a lot of things, but boring?
Youy are right, I watch all the Budesliga live matches on RTL5 and I never saw a boring one. Nothing is more exciting than a nice Bundesliga match like Hannover 96 against Bochum. :rolleyes:
Just had to say that. :)

How can you say our league sucks? It`s hard enough as it is to get some people over here on the Dutch forums. :D

But the English league is great. :)

[ballackgurlie]

It's just "ikke,ikke,ikke en de rest kan stikke" (me,me,me and the rest can die :D)
They're all so egoistic.. (bad english)
Just my opinion...

Marileen

[soccer fanatic]

Thats ok.
i disagree but that can happen, I`m just trying to get more people to the Dutch League threads.

I guess I just have to row with the paddles I got. :D

The English league is great, i`ll give you that, and the German league is improving and some matches are good. Which English team do you support?

[ballackgurlie]

Arsenal, they play great football (most of the time ;))
Dennis Bergkamp is such a good player, I love watching him play...

Marileen

[soccer fanatic]

Bergkamp is great, no doubt about it. I taped his goal against Newcastle United, unbelievable, one of the best goals ever. Amazing that a lot of the most beautiful goals are made by Dutch players.

Van Basten twice. Against Russia in the EC `88. (EK`88) and his goal against Den Bosch, you know, the Bicycle kick.
Bergkamp goal against Newcastle fits right in. :)

[ballackgurlie]

Yeah I remember, it was great.
Also one at the World Cup '98.
Quarter Finals if I am right...
I tried to make a 'remake' but I couldn't.... :(

Marileen

[soccer fanatic]

You are right, against Argentina, with that beautiful pass of Frank de Boer. Those were great times. Nowadays we can`t even qualify....

[ballackgurlie]

ghehe that's why I am for the German team...
But I hope that Holland will qualify itself for euro 2004

Portugoaaaal! (lol :))

Marileen

[soccer fanatic]

Seriously, I also cheered for the German NT, like their devotion. Did get into problems with everybody, but that is probably one of the reasons I was for them. :)

[monte]

what the hell? you guys should be ashamed! you are Dutch and then YOU CANNOT MAY NOT EVERRRRRRR SUPPORT GERMANY!!!!!


:ronaldo: I am kind of serious

and I hate the Bundesliga...... bljak! Dortmund is ok but teams like Hertha, Bochum ahhhh damn need I continue?

our league is nicer :cool:

[monte]

ps
ballack is a konj

[ballackgurlie]

ooooo
I hate hate these people....

WHY CAN'T I SUPPORT A TEAM OF MY CHOICE DAMNIT!

$^!&%#@%@#%@#% you monte!!!!!!!!!!!:evil::evil::evil:

Met de paplepel ingegoten zegge ze dan....

f*ck you!

Marileen

[monte]

@#%#$%$#@%$% you too.


you can '***king' choose anything you like, it's not like i care.

ps
zegge ze dan? buahahaha je klinkt brabantsssssss seljanko

[ballackgurlie]

Ik haat dat echt!! En zo ga je me cker ook nog uitschelden als mof?
Jij bent egt triest!!!!
Ga iemand anders peste!

Marileen

[monte]

"Ich hoffe dass du f*cking sterbst" ---- Van Breukelen



:ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo:

[monte]

man doe normaal ik zeg niet eens dat je mof bent, trouwens ik heb je ook niet uitgescholden, volgens mij heb jij MIJJJJJ uitgescholden, is het niet? je bent zelf triest, ik kon er tenminste nog een smiley bij plaatsen.

[ballackgurlie]

gore tering hufter!! Ga je oma neuke of je moeder!
MAAR DOE NIET ZO TRIEST!
iemand mag zelf wete voor welke club/speler ie is!
En als je dat niet boeit waarom begin je er dan oveR?!!?
Gore kaaskop
enne nix brabant, gewoon utrecht.

[ballackgurlie]

Originally posted by monte
what the hell? you guys should be ashamed! you are Dutch and then YOU CANNOT MAY NOT EVERRRRRRR SUPPORT GERMANY!!!!!


:ronaldo: I am kind of serious

and I hate the Bundesliga...... bljak! Dortmund is ok but teams like Hertha, Bochum ahhhh damn need I continue?

our league is nicer :cool:

Nou en wat staat hier dan??

Wie begint er nu....?

OWJA...

[monte]

er staat toch, i am kind of serious, met andere woorden, het maakt niet uit, maar als nederlander is het vreemd dat je voor duitsland bent.

trouwens, utrechtse krava, ook goed, ik ben niet eens NEDERLANDS

:cool: sucked in a?

ik ben niet zo dat ik mensen begin uit te schelden, of ***k you tegen ze zeg, JIJ Bent zo, moet je kijken wat je allemaal zegt 'gore tering hufter, @%@$^!@#%#$% you monte, F*ck you' nou nou nou en dan tegen MIJ zeggen dat ik begin?

dacht het niet.


je begrijpt toch zeker wel het fenomeen SMILEY?

[ballackgurlie]

ja maar ik vind dat egt niet leuk als mensen zeiken dat ik voor duitsland ben!!!
DAt mag ik tog zelf weten?
Als iemand dat zegt draai ik egt door! Laatst heb ik hier ook heel ruzie met iemand over gehad. Ik scheld normaal ook nooit zo erg! Maar dit kan ik egt niet hebbe

Marileen

ps jij begon door dit te zeggen:

what the hell? you guys should be ashamed! you are Dutch and then YOU CANNOT MAY NOT EVERRRRRRR SUPPORT GERMANY!!!!!

en dat ballack een .... is ofzo...
legt dat ook ff uit.. eerste post op deze pagina!

[monte]

jonge jonge relax meid!

relativeringsvermogen moet er ook zijn hoor

[monte]

waarom verbasteren utrechters toch alle 'ch' klanken tot een 'g' ?

[ballackgurlie]

Originally posted by monte
jonge jonge relax meid!

relativeringsvermogen moet er ook zijn hoor

relativeringsve..wat?

explain plz

[ballackgurlie]

ballack is a konj

wat is dat?

[monte]

Originally posted by ballackgurlie

ps jij begon door dit te zeggen:

what the hell? you guys should be ashamed! you are Dutch and then YOU CANNOT MAY NOT EVERRRRRRR SUPPORT GERMANY!!!!!

en dat ballack een .... is ofzo...
legt dat ook ff uit.. eerste post op deze pagina!

zucht, ik had na die quote toch een ronaldo smiley gezet.....



een konj! dat betekent dat hij wel ok is :D

[ballackgurlie]

oja...
en dat moet ik geloven?
hm ok dan doe ik dat maar...

[monte]

Originally posted by ballackgurlie


relativeringsve..wat?

explain plz






? dat is een Nederlands woord hoor. Dat betekent dat je sommige dingen ook met een korreltje zout moet kunnen nemen.

[ballackgurlie]

me is only 15 hoor!
ik moet gaan doeidoei!!

[monte]

natuurlijk kan je dat geloven, niemand kan serieus beweren dat het iets gemeens is.


ciaos

[monte]

Originally posted by ballackgurlie
me is only 15 hoor!
ik moet gaan doeidoei!!

ja dus?? dan kan je toch ook al Nederlands spreken? maar goed.

[INTER FAN/BG/]

Forza PSV!

[monte]

inter fan, you would really hate to live in Eindhoven :D trust me :D

Feyenoord and Ajax are betttterrrrrrrr

[ballackgurlie]

hallo??
Ik weet echt niet wat dat betekend hoor!
Enne waarom zeik jij over dat nederlanders niet voor duitsland mogen zijn terwijl jij ook nie eens nederlander bent?!

Marileen

[monte]

j*zus! Ik zei toch dat je het met een korreltje zout moest nemen, nou doe dat dan ook in plaats van door en door en door te zeiken over 1 lullig onderwerp.

natuurlijk ben ik nederlands, on paper!!! :cool: een lelijke kaaskop gelukkig niet.

[monte]

ps

betekent schrijf je met een T aan het eind.

[ballackgurlie]

fijn voor de les nederlands.....

enne als je er zo mee zit dat ik doorga waarom stop je dan zelf nie!?

[monte]

geen probleem :cool: het komt vaker voor dat Nederlanders van allochtonen leren :ronaldo:

[ballackgurlie]

nou net was je nog nederlander?!
ik heb geen zin meer om met jou te prate, er komt tog nix nuttigs uit!

Aju met de Paraplu!
Moet nu traine!

[monte]

@#%$#@%^$#% allochtonen zijn toch ook nederlands.... OP PAPIER? kun jij wel lezen of begrijp je gewoon niet wat allochtonen zijn? hm, woont zeker niet in Zuilen.

uit -> jou <- komt niks nuttigs, fijn voor je dat je moet trainen WHO CARES dyke.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by monte
een lelijke kaaskop gelukkig niet.

Dank je. Waar kom je vandaan? Welk land? Wel blij dat je hier bent? Je klinkt gefrustreerd. Ook uit eerdere posts schijnt een vorm van frustratie door. Niet discussie gerelateerd uiteraard.

[monte]

doe normaal. waarom zou ik gefrustreerd klinken. 'ook uit eerdere posts blijkt dat' :rolleyes: yeah right verzin iets beters. een lelijke kaaskop hoef jij ook niet te zijn, maar ja, als zij me met die term beledigt, moet ik wat terug zeggen he.

cheers

trouwens, wel blij dat ik hier ben? dat klinkt alsof ik er alle autochtonen dankbaar voor zou moeten zijn, eh, think not. Born here dus het is ook mijn land.

[monte]

Originally posted by ballackgurlie
.....
Gore kaaskop............



een gedeelte van wat ze zei tegen mij maar als ik de term ga gebruiken krijg ik ineens commentaar, oh puh-lease :rolleyes: !

en ga mij niet vertellen dat jij niet gelachen hebt om hoe Van Breukelen tegen de Duitsers was, gezonde rivaliteit :cool:

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by monte
doe normaal. waarom zou ik gefrustreerd klinken. 'ook uit eerdere posts blijkt dat' :rolleyes: yeah right verzin iets beters. een lelijke kaaskop hoef jij ook niet te zijn, maar ja, als zij me met die term beledigt, moet ik wat terug zeggen he.

cheers

trouwens, wel blij dat ik hier ben? dat klinkt alsof ik er alle autochtonen dankbaar voor zou moeten zijn, eh, think not. Born here dus het is ook mijn land.

Ja maar naar een persoon gericht, niet een generalisering die beledigend kan worden opgevat door een complete bevolking. Als je vind dat Ballackgurlie ongelijk heeft, geef dan de de argumenten om dat te bewijzen. Heen en weer schelden helpt natuurlijk niet.

Dankbaar zijn? heb ik niks over gezegd, ik vroeg me alleen af of je hier gelukkig was. Je commentaar, quasi grappig bedoeld waarschijnlijk over Eindhoven en de opmerking dat je blij bent dat je geen (lelijke) kaaskop bent, deden mij vermoeden dat je niet helemaal gelukkig bent hier. Als je hier geboren bent zie ik geen reden tot dankbaarheid. Maar als jij hier geboren bent, dan bij toch ook gewoon een 100% echte kaaskop?? :D

Als je hier niet geboren was, je vraagt hier asiel aan en je krijgt een verblijfsvergunning, mag je het land denk ik wel dankbaar zijn, en dus ook de bevolking, maar dat is dus niet het geval.

[ballackgurlie]

ik snap ook wel dat allochtonen nederlands zijn... op papier. ben nie achterlijk
Maar een allochtoon is niet in nederland geboren..
dat probeer ik de hele tijd te vragen... waar dan wel?
*zucht*

[soccer fanatic]

Co Adriaanse is the new head coach of AZ Alkmaar. He will succeed Henk van Stee.

Co Adriaanse is the former manager of teams like Ajax and
Willem II. He is known for his firm approach, the AZ players are in for a treat, or perhaps threat.

[soccer fanatic]

Jorien van den Herik (preses of Feyenoord) could face a year in prison for tax fraud.

As a promotor of Dutch football this is bad, as an Ajax fan it is damn funny. :D

[soccer fanatic]

Also bad news: Nick(y) Hofs picked up a knee injury when he was training with young Holland, he will be out for the rest of the season. Nicky Hofs is a big talent and plays for Vitesse Arnhem, a big loss. He will be fit in 6-8 months.

[soccer fanatic]

THE HAGUE — Dutch football clubs will no longer be allowed to co-operatively sell the broadcast rights of their matches starting from next season, the Dutch competition watchdog, NMa, ruled on Tuesday.

Presently Canal+ broadcasts football matches live after buying the rights from both clubs. The broadcast rights are sold via Eredivisie NV, the Dutch premier soccer division.

But the NMa ruled that consumers were put at a disadvantage because the pay-TV broadcaster was the sole supplier of the televised matches.

Furthermore, Canal+ only broadcast 44 of the 306 matches that it bought and that primarily matches involving top clubs Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV were being broadcast.

The NMA said every club individually owns the broadcast rights of their home matches and the individual sale of the rights will result in more matches being broadcast on TV and less attention for the top clubs.

© 2002 Novum Nieuws


Sounds like good news too me, as long as a non pay-TV broadcaster will buy the Ajax rights. Important this for Dutch football. Could be bad for some teams. Who in their right mind would want to buy the rights of clubs like RBC and
De Graafschap? (:()

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Jorien van den Herik (preses of Feyenoord) could face a year in prison for tax fraud.


He is found not guilty on all charges, there can be raised an appeal in two weeks max, that will happen with no doubt. Feyenoord won the first round, or correction, Dutch football won the first round.

[soccer fanatic]

Feyenoord have signed SC Heerenveen defender, 33 years old, Gerard de Nlooijer, he signed for this year and has an option to one more year. Another great buy from feyenoord. :D :angel: :D

There will be an appeal in the fraud case against Feyenoord BTW.

[INTER FAN/BG/]

Feyenoord will win the dutch championship

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by INTER FAN/BG/
Feyenoord will win the dutch championship

:D You don`t watch a lot of Dutch league matches, do you? :D

You are free too think this ofcourse, good luck with it.

[gnlvagosov]

Forza Ajax

[engelsman_peter]

FootballNL.com is a very good site for information and latest soccer news. In English and dedicated to Dutch Football
Greetings from the freezing flatlands

[Kluivert]

I think it's time for a Dutch moderator in this forum. Obviously the American moderator can't understand the foul language of some posters. I don't think this abuse is allowed in English so it shouldn't be in Dutch either.

I think soccer fanatic would be a good candidate to moderate the forum along with Azerkid

[Kluivert]

Why is no one replying? :cry: :(

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Kluivert
I think it's time for a Dutch moderator in this forum. Obviously the American moderator can't understand the foul language of some posters. I don't think this abuse is allowed in English so it shouldn't be in Dutch either.

Just Dutch people interacting. :) No, this was some time ago and part of the problem doesn`t post here anymore. Just a heated discussion, only sometimes a bit cheap.

I`m happy with the job Azerkid is doing,he can`t be held responsible that on an international board people start argueing in Dutch.

Here you go Kluivert. :)

[soccer fanatic]

Stefan Nanu leaves Vitesse inmediately. The still injured player hopes too get too a club in Romania, his home country, he is now ofcourse on a free transfer. Vitesse agreed too let him goo too ease the wagebill after the signing of Van Halst. Vitesse is still financial insecure and have too cut expenses where possible. They did found three sponsors for the rest of the year, giving them the opportunity too snatch up Van Halst and pay some debts. Van Halst was on a free transfer.

[soccer fanatic]

Sibon will join Heerenveen.

[INTER FAN/BG/]

Does anybody know about any Feyenoord transfers?

[soccer fanatic]

You mean which already happened or who is rumoured?

[INTER FAN/BG/]

Yeah like what transfers happened during the winter break?

[soccer fanatic]

The only I can think of is De Nooijer from Heerenveen too Feyenoord and earlier on Bombarda from a free transfer.

also I heard something about a Chiliean player who is being tested in Rotterdam.

[INTER FAN/BG/]

Thanks man!

[soccer fanatic]

Six players of FC Utrecht under whom Harald Wapenaar, Arco Jochemsen and Igor Gluscevic will all leave Utrecht because their contracts won`t be extended.

For Wapenaar and Gluscevic it is a letdown since Utrecht really wanted too keep them. The others were more or less destined too leave anyway.

I see a good opportunity for Vitesse here, they need a quality striker and Gluscevic for free could be a good move.

[soccer fanatic]

Feyenoord are expected too launch a bid for Acuna.
also Cziommer is in their wishlist, who currently is playing for FC Twente.

[INTER FAN/BG/]

Thankx for the info man!

[soccer fanatic]

And they are also interested in a Korean player who was with Feyenoord on trial, don`t know his name. If he signs I will let you know.

[soccer fanatic]

Feyenoord loaned a defender from Qatar with an option too buy, his name is Budawood.

Meanwhile they loose out on the German Cziommer who goes too Schalke `04.

[soccer fanatic]

Dirk Kuijt has appears too have signed for Feyenoord, money struggling utrecht had no real options too keep him, also considering their releasing of several other players (named them earlier in this thread) and it is very likely Feyenoord got him fairly cheap.

[Robledo]

Are PSV lucky or what ?!

Robben scored in the 90th minute to secure victory against Heerenveen.

[soccer fanatic]

They did the same thing against NAC in the match before, against Heerenveen they were without any chances, in injury time they got a chance and grabbed it. It is a sign that PSV could be on his way too league victory.

[VivaBarcaInter]

Yup, PSV are great, no doubt about it.

[soccer fanatic]

Wouldn`t say that, they play a bit lousy and they have matches coming up playing against feyenoord and Ajax. :)

They aren`t there yet.

[VivaBarcaInter]

Hehe, we'll see!!!

All of the big three won today. A 2-1 for our chaps, Ajax crushed Zwolle 5-0, and Feyenoord won 6-2 against Excelsior, My man Pierre getting a couple!

[soccer fanatic]

They won indeed, and like the matches against NAC and Heerenveen earlier, they won without convincing, with two ties coming up against Vitesse away and Ajax at home (Eindhoven) they will need too higher up their level, too keep their 7 point lead.

Kezman BTW is suspended for the match against Vitesse in Arnhem.

But credit where credit is due, if they are in form, they are a formidable team, mostly because of the reason they can keep hold of their top players due too lack of money with the top league top clubs.

Hofland, Van Bommel, Kezman and perhaps even Vogel are all ready for higher level.

[VivaBarcaInter]

IMO there are several guys at all of the big three that could make an impact at places like Spain and Italy.

PSV haven't been too impressive recently, but the lead has still remained large. Winning leagues is all about consistency rather than flair, and believe me as an Inter fan I know all about that!!! PSV have a decent record against Ajax, and looking as those two fixtures, I would be happy with 2 draws or one win. Perhaps it's my pessimistic nature, but I think of large point leads as giving yourself breathing room!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by VivaBarcaInter
IMO there are several guys at all of the big three that could make an impact at places like Spain and Italy.


Yes is true, but I meant these players, especially Kezman, vogel and Van Bommel, were on the level of bigger leagues already a few years ago but because of the market couldn`t go. They are already experienced and were ready.

Ajax is different, sure VDV and Chivu could easily make the step up, but they are still very young, so it is more normal they still play with Ajax, they didn`t reach their top, but Van Bommel is on his top now and still playing with PSV.


PSV haven't been too impressive recently, but the lead has still remained large. Winning leagues is all about consistency rather than flair, and believe me as an Inter fan I know all about that!!!


:D:D
I know, I also stated that earlier, it is a sign of a team in league winning shape, but they aren`t there yet for sure, with this level of play they can`t beat Ajax, and there are still 11/12 matches too go. But they are clearly ahead. For Ajax at this moment it is all about CL and CL qualification for next year, only the numbers 1 and 2 (Qualifying round first) go too CL. So the 2nd place is currently goal for Ajax. But Feyenoord is in good form and breathing down our neck, combined with CL we will get a hard time reaching the 2nd spot, even though wee have a lot of debt in our team, except the striker position. Will be exciting.


PSV have a decent record against Ajax, and looking as those two fixtures, I would be happy with 2 draws or one win. Perhaps it's my pessimistic nature, but I think of large point leads as giving yourself breathing room!

I think the same, isn`t pessimistic, it is comforting. :)
Well Ajax won`t settle for a draw witrh Feyenoord breathing down our necks, so it will be a good match I think.

[VivaBarcaInter]

They usually are!

[soccer fanatic]

PSV won and will win the league, it is not totally official yet, but no way they give this lead away. They play for points the last months and it works, so credit for them.

Wouldn`t be my thing, but hey, perhaps that is why I love ajax so much. :)

[soccer fanatic]

Vitesse coach Mike Snoei is put on non aztive. With Vitesse he holds the 15th place in the league, 3 points clear of direct degredation. For a team with I think the 4th or 5th biggest estimate that is simply bad. Even though the money is gone and all, with the squad Vitesse has 15th is laughable.

Now probably Edward Sturing will take over and Mike Snoei will be tried too keep in the club as youth coach.

[haythamx]

ok so after Ajax's 2-1 win at Twente Enschede, and PSV's home win, the latter are 3 points clear with a better goal difference.

What are the rules on equal goal difference and points in the eredivisie, should the scenario witness an Ajax win with the appropriate # of goals, and a PSV loss?

[Fantastic]

I wish Ajax all the good luck they can get. I hope they will make it on the top of Europe again. GO AJAX!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by haythamx
ok so after Ajax's 2-1 win at Twente Enschede, and PSV's home win, the latter are 3 points clear with a better goal difference.

What are the rules on equal goal difference and points in the eredivisie, should the scenario witness an Ajax win with the appropriate # of goals, and a PSV loss?

I`m not completely sure, I think that goals scored for way heavier than goals gotten against. So 80-30 should be better than 70-20.

I don`t think it goes on matches between the teams tied on top. No play off match either I think.
Doesn`tm atter much all, no way PSV with such a team will blow it at FC Groningen. Ajax should just concentrate on a nice match against Heerenven, and if the miracle does happen, just celebrate that after. :)
We will BTW say goodbye to Ajax legend Richard Witschge, he didn`t get a new contract. :( I`m a big fan of him and wished he would stay longer, but he will go to another team and finish his career elsewhere. He is good enuogh for Ajax only Ajax is looking to bring back squad size.

Nice to see people on Dutch forum.
Thanks for the good wishes Fantastic. :)
Atleast we are secure of CL football, that will enable us for the next step to European glory, and in a few years, I really think we are ready to mount a serious challenge for European prizes. :cool:

[JokerCanFly]

i support PSV,
who will discuss Rubben with me ? :p

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[Adriano_9]

Ajax we had a poor season,Terrible.

[Calif]

Friday November 17, 2006

SC Heracles Almelo 2 - 0 NAC Breda

[Calif]

Saturday November 18, 2006

PSV Eindhoven 4 - 0 Excelsior

Feyenoord Rotterdam 3 - 2 AZ Alkmaar

NEC Nijmegen 1 - 2 Sparta Rotterdam

RKC Waalwijk 0 - 2 Heerenveen

[Calif]

Sunday November 19, 2006

Ajax Amsterdam 1 - 1 Twente Enschede

FC Groningen 4 - 1 Willem II Tilburg

FC Utrecht 2 - 0 Roda JC Kerkrade

[Calif]

Friday November 24, 2006

Twente Enschede 2 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem

[Calif]

Saturday November 25, 2006

PSV Eindhoven 5 - 0 FC Utrecht

Willem II Tilburg 3 - 1 RKC Waalwijk

Excelsior 6 - 1 SC Heracles Almelo

[Calif]

Sunday November 26, 2006

NEC Nijmegen 4 - 1 Feyenoord Rotterdam

Sparta Rotterdam 3 - 0 Ajax Amsterdam

FC Groningen 2 - 5 ADO Den Haag

Heerenveen 1 - 3 AZ Alkmaar

Roda JC Kerkrade 3 - 2 NAC Breda

[Stormvogel]

Sneijder sent off after only 13 minutes in this unexpected defeat.Ajax isn't playing well since their home defeat against PSV,and they played very bad in the midweek UEFA Cup tie against Sparta Prague,where another Ajax player(Emanuelson)was sent off.The club is now 6 points behind Eindhoven,and it will be very difficult to catch them in the championship race.

[Stormvogel]

"Most memorable goals from the Ajax history" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4W0llaO3IY

[Stormvogel]

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[Calif]

Well I just hope that Ajax gets it going again or PSV will be the winners!!!!

[Calif]

Friday December 1, 2006

RKC Waalwijk 2 - 1 Sparta Rotterdam

[Calif]

Saturday December 2, 2006

ADO Den Haag 0 - 2 NEC Nijmegen

SC Heracles Almelo 1 - 1 Roda JC Kerkrade

NAC Breda 0 - 0 Twente Enschede

Vitesse Arnhem 0 - 1 PSV Eindhoven

[Calif]

Sunday December 3, 2006

Ajax Amsterdam 6 - 0 Willem II Tilburg

AZ Alkmaar 5 - 0 Excelsior

FC Utrecht 3 - 0 FC Groningen

Feyenoord Rotterdam 4 - 3 Heerenveen

[Calif]

Friday December 8, 2006

Heerenveen 1 - 0 Roda JC Kerkrade

[Calif]

Saturday December 9, 2006

NAC Breda 2 - 1 Excelsior

FC Groningen 0 - 2 PSV Eindhoven

NEC Nijmegen 2 - 0 FC Utrecht

SC Heracles Almelo 2 - 3 Sparta Rotterdam

[Calif]

Sunday December 10, 2006

Ajax Amsterdam 2 - 2 AZ Alkmaar

Feyenoord Rotterdam 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag

Vitesse Arnhem 3 - 1 RKC Waalwijk

Willem II Tilburg 1 - 3 Twente Enschede

[Calif]

Friday December 15, 2006

PSV Eindhoven 3 - 0 SC Heracles Almelo

[Calif]

Saturday December 16, 2006

ADO Den Haag 2 - 1 Willem II Tilburg

Roda JC Kerkrade 2 - 4 Vitesse Arnhem

Sparta Rotterdam 0 - 3 NAC Breda

[Calif]

Sunday December 17, 2006

Excelsior 1 - 3 Ajax Amsterdam

FC Utrecht 2 - 1 Feyenoord Rotterdam

RKC Waalwijk 0 - 1 NEC Nijmegen

AZ Alkmaar 2 - 0 FC Groningen

Twente Enschede 5 - 1 Heerenveen

[Calif]

Friday December 22, 2006

SC Heracles Almelo 0 - 1 FC Groningen

[Calif]

Tuesday December 26, 2006

Feyenoord Rotterdam 1 - 1 PSV Eindhoven

Willem II Tilburg 2 - 1 Excelsior

FC Groningen 0 - 1 Sparta Rotterdam

[Calif]

Saturday January 27, 2007

Willem II Tilburg 0 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem

AZ Alkmaar 3 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam

FC Utrecht 1 - 0 Excelsior

NEC Nijmegen 2 - 1 NAC Breda

[Calif]

Sunday January 28, 2007

FC Groningen 2 - 3 Ajax Amsterdam

Feyenoord Rotterdam 3 - 1 RKC Waalwijk

Roda JC Kerkrade 2 - 0 PSV Eindhoven

Twente Enschede 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag

[Calif]

Friday February 2, 2007

FC Groningen 1 - 1 Heerenveen

[Calif]

Saturday February 3, 2007

NAC Breda 2 - 1 RKC Waalwijk

PSV Eindhoven 2 - 3 AZ Alkmaar

Excelsior 1 - 2 Twente Enschede

SC Heracles Almelo 2 - 2 Willem II Tilburg

[Langbaard]

Sunday February 4, 2007

Sparta Rotterdam 2 - 2 Roda JC

Ajax Amsterdam 4 - 1 Feyenoord Rotterdam

ADO Den Haag 1 - 1 FC Utrecht

Vitesse Arnhem 1 - 1 NEC Nijmegen

[Langbaard]

Friday February 9, 2007

Excelsior Rotterdam 0 - 2 FC Groningen

[Langbaard]

Saturday February 10, 2007

AZ Alkmaar 2 - 0 Willem II

RKC Waalwijk 2 - 0 Heracles Almelo

SC Heerenveen 0 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem

Roda JC 1 - 0 NEC Nijmegen

[Langbaard]

Sunday February 11, 2007

Sparta Rotterdam 1 - 1 PSV Eindhoven

FC Utrecht 1 - 0 NAC Breda

FC Twente 3 - 0 Feyenoord Rotterdam

ADO Den Haag 1 - 2 Ajax Amsterdam

[Xizor]

I see Ajax won, but they wou'nt be that lucky when they play against PSV!

[Langbaard]

I see Ajax won, but they wou'nt be that lucky when they play against PSV!

Funny you mention, it was PSV who was extremely lucky earlier this season against Ajax :)

Anyways, we don't need luck to win against Ronald Koeman's team, he used to be coach of Ajax and screws it up himself, always does, so I just watch back and enjoy the show :lol:

[Xizor]

Funny you mention, it was PSV who was extremely lucky earlier this season against Ajax :)

Anyways, we don't need luck to win against Ronald Koeman's team, he used to be coach of Ajax and screws it up himself, always does, so I just watch back and enjoy the show :lol:

Yeah we'll see! ;)

[Langbaard]

Friday February 16, 2007

Willem II 2 - 1 ADO Den Haag

NAC Breda 3 - 1 Sparta Rotterdam

[Langbaard]

Saturday February 17, 2007

Vitesse 0 - 0 Roda JC

Heracles Almelo 0 - 2 PSV

NEC 1 - 0 RKC Waalwijk

[Langbaard]

Sunday February 18, 2007

Feyenoord 2 - 0 FC Utrecht

Ajax 2 - 2 Excelsior

FC Groningen 1 - 1 AZ Alkmaar

Heerenveen 1 - 2 FC Twente

[Langbaard]

Friday February 23, 2007

FC Utrecht 3 - 0 NEC

[Langbaard]

Saturday February 24, 2007

PSV 1 - 0 FC Groningen

Roda JC 1 - 0 Heerenveen

Sparta Rotterdam 0 - 0 Heracles Almelo

FC Twente 0 - 0 Willem II

[Langbaard]

Sunday February 25, 2007

AZ Alkmaar 1 - 1 Ajax

ADO Den Haag 3 - 3 Feyenoord

RKC Waalwijk 3 - 1 Vitesse Arnhem

Excelsior 0 - 2 NAC Breda

[Langbaard]

Friday March 2, 2007

NEC 0 - 3 FC Twente

[Langbaard]

Saturday March 3, 2007

Willem II 0 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam

PSV 2 - 0 RKC Waalwijk

Vitesse 2 - 3 Excelsior

FC Groningen 3 - 1 NAC Breda

[Langbaard]

Sunday March 4, 2007

Ajax 0 - 1 Heerenveen

FC Utrecht 0 - 4 AZ Alkmaar

Heracles Almelo 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag

Feyenoord 1 - 1 Roda JC

[Langbaard]

Friday March 9, 2007

Roda JC 0 - 0 FC Utrecht

[Langbaard]

Saturday March 10, 2007

Heerenveen 1 - 0 RKC Waalwijk

Willem II 3 - 0 FC Groningen

NAC Breda 1 - 1 Heracles Almelo

Sparta Rotterdam 0 - 4 NEC Nijmegen

[Langbaard]

Sunday March 11, 2007

AZ Alkmaar 0 - 0 Feyenoord Rotterdam

FC Twente 1 - 4 Ajax Amsterdam

Vitesse 2 - 2 ADO Den Haag

Excelsior 0 - 0 PSV

[Langbaard]

Friday March 16, 2007

RKC Waalwijk 3 - 2 Roda JC

[Langbaard]

Saturday March 17, 2007

ADO Den Haag 2 - 4 Sparta Rotterdam

Heerenveen 4 - 2 NAC Breda

NEC - Excelsior 0 - 1

[Langbaard]

Sunday March 18, 2007

PSV 1 - 5 Ajax Amsterdam

FC Groningen 1 - 1 FC Twente

FC Utrecht 2 - 0 Vitesse

Heracles Almelo 0 - 0 AZ Alkmaar

Feyenoord 0 - 0 Willem II

[Langbaard]

Friday March 30, 2007

Roda JC 0 - 1 FC Groningen

[Langbaard]

Saturday March 31, 2007

NAC Breda 1 - 1 PSV

Willem II 1 - 0 NEC

AZ 2 - 0 RKC Waalwijk

[Langbaard]

Sunday April 1, 2007

Vitesse 0 - 1 Feyenoord

Sparta Rotterdam 2 - 2 Heerenveen

Ajax 3 - 0 Heracles Almelo

Excelsior 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag

FC Twente 3 - 0 FC Utrecht

[Gavmundo]

Out of Interest Langbaard can you explain how the lower leagues work? I was playing a Dutch team in Football Manager 2007 (RBC) and could never get my head round the way the league worked. There were different stages and loads of playoff positions and I never quite understood it. What are these stages all about?

[Langbaard]

Ah yes, it's quite an interesting system, I'll try my best to explain.

To take the club you took as an example, RBC is playing in the 1st division in Holland ( the Championship in England ).

There are 20 teams in total who play in this league, all play each other 2 times like normal fixtures in a league.

The difference here is, after 5/6 games they will make out a period champion, so if RBC would be in a 10th position in the league, but win 6 out of their next 6 games they would be crowned champions for these last weeks.

There are like 5 or 6 period champions throughout the whole season, all 6 of these teams will be put together in a complete new league at the end of the season, along with the 3 last team of the Dutch Eredivisie ( EPL in England ).
This to see which teams will promote, which will relegate, or which teams will stay the same.

So there would be say 8 to 10 teams, those would be divided in two groups where they play each other again 2 times, the top 2 of each group will face each other in a KO stage, the 2 winners would get promotion to the Dutch Eredivisie, while the other either stay or relegate to the 1st division.

The real champion of the 1st division will automaticly promote to the Eredivise, as will the bottom team of the Eredivisie relegate instantly to the 1st division without participating both in the 'after-season'.

So even if you'd finish 11 in the league, if you had a good period and finished 'period champion', you could still make chance to promote to the Eredivise.

[Gavmundo]

:jaw: How complicated :lol: My headaches just trying to work it out but it does make life interesting a I guess. I can just imagine the English Championship doing that :lol: I took over RBC in FM2007 and within a couple of weeks of game time I was so confused I just put the team on permanent manager holiday :lol:

[Langbaard]

:jaw: How complicated :lol: My headaches just trying to work it out but it does make life interesting a I guess. I can just imagine the English Championship doing that :lol: I took over RBC in FM2007 and within a couple of weeks of game time I was so confused I just put the team on permanent manager holiday :lol:

It's an interesting system, but quite honestly not that useful, just taking the top 4/5 of the league into the 'after-season' would work just as well and it would reward those who get good results consistently throughout the season.

Just like in the Eredivise they implented the play-off system at the end of the year which is another bullshit system they implented for god knows what reason.

Pretty much all the managers didn't understand the choice of the Dutch Football associaton why they would do such a thing.

If you want a full detail about the Eredivisie play-off system just look in the Dutch football forum section for some more cover in a thread I started.

But like I said before, I think these systems are a waste of time, just let the teams play even more games, debatable if it all went rightfull who got a ticket to the 'pre-season' or in the Eredivisie even for CL, UEFA tickets it's nearly just as useless in my opinion, considering a few factors.

Imagine Tottenham getting CL ticket last year instead of Arsenal, Arsenal finished 4th barely and Tottenham 5th.

But because Tottenham had a better 'period' they would get CL instead of Arsenal according to this system ( it is a situation that could very well happen ).

Why the complication, the discussion if it's rightful or not and all the other factors just so they can implent such a system ?

[Langbaard]

Dutch league standings after last match weekend: ( 4 matches left to play
after 30 games ).

Standings:

1. PSV - 68
2. Ajax - 65
3. AZ - 63
4. Twente - 61
5. Feyenoord - 52
6. Heerenveen - 48
7. NAC - 43
8. Roda JC - 42
9. Groningen - 42
10. Utrecht - 40
11. NEC - 37
12. Vitesse - 34
13. Sparta Rot. - 33
14. Willem II - 30
15. Excelsior - 27
16. Heracles - 25
17. RKC - 22
18. ADO - 16

Goal scoring table:

1. Afonso Alves ( Heerenveen ) - 25
2. Blaise N'Kufo ( FC Twente ) - 20
3. Danny Koevermans ( AZ ) - 19
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Ajax) - 19
4. Danko Lazovic (Vitesse) - 17
Jefferson Farfan ( PSV ) - 17
5. Wesley Sneijder ( Ajax ) - 15
6. Kennedy Bakircioglu (FC Twente) - 14
7. Shota Arveladze ( AZ ) - 13

[Langbaard]

Friday April 6, 2007

Vitesse 3 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam

[Langbaard]

Saturday April 7, 2007

Roda JC 2 - 0 Excelsior

Heerenveen 1 - 1 ADO Den Haag

NEC Nijmegen 2 - 1 PSV Eindhoven



A 3 - 0 victory from Ajax today would mean we would lead the league... who would have ever imagined that after an 11 point lead from PSV.

[Vic]

I'am glad that Afonso Alves has done so well in the dutch league.. he was outstanding in the swedish leagues during a couple of seasons and he's a good guy off pitch aswell.

I belive he will go to an bigger club pretty soon.

[Langbaard]

Without a doubt Da Realest, big Spanish or English club will pick him up next year as he's simply been amazing, great player and truly the revelation of the season.

Other than some rumors I know PSV and Ajax are interested in signing him, although Heerenveen wants 20 million, while they won't go further than 15.

Which is always the same story, if Alves would have been a Dutchman his price would be 25 probably.

Anyways, great player and I am a fan of his abillities/skills.

[Vic]

Without a doubt Da Realest, big Spanish or English club will pick him up next year as he's simply been amazing, great player and truly the revelation of the season.

Other than some rumors I know PSV and Ajax are interested in signing him, although Heerenveen wants 20 million, while they won't go further than 15.

Which is always the same story, if Alves would have been a Dutchman his price would be 25 probably.

Anyways, great player and I am a fan of his abillities/skills.

Yeah same here Langbaard, i'am also a huge fan of his skills and it makes sence that he will be transfered to a big club pretty soon.

Which league do you think would suit Alves best, Spanish, english or italian?

[Langbaard]

Yeah same here Langbaard, i'am also a huge fan of his skills and it makes sence that he will be transfered to a big club pretty soon.

Which league do you think would suit Alves best, Spanish, english or italian?

I would think the Spanish would suit him best, the English after that and I'm not to sure about the Italian.

Barca and Arsenal seem like suitable clubs for him, strong physique striker with amazing technical abillities.

[Langbaard]

Sunday April 8, 2007

Where Ajax fails to take the lead, AZ is the new title favourite and the Dutch competition is full of excitement with just 3 match days left to play:

FC Twente 1 - 1 Heracles Almelo

FC Utrecht 3 - 0 Willem II

NAC Breda 1 - 4 AZ Alkmaar

RKC Waalwijk 2 - 2 Ajax Amsterdam

Feyenoord 0 - 4 FC Groningen

[Langbaard]

Table standings: ( after 31 games )

1. PSV - 68
2. AZ - 66
3. Ajax - 66
4. FC Twente - 62
5. Feyenoord - 52
6. Heerenveen - 49
7. Roda JC - 45
8. FC Groningen - 45
9. FC Utrecht - 43
10. NAC Breda - 43
11. NEC - 40
12. Vitesse - 37
13. Sparta Rot. - 33
14. Willem II - 30
15. Excelsior - 27
16. Heracles Almelo - 26
17. RKC Waalwijk - 23
18. ADO Den Haag - 17

Goal scoring table:

1. Afonso Alves ( Heerenveen) - 26
2. Danny Koevermans ( AZ ) - 21
3. Blaise N'Kufo ( FC Twente ) - 20
4. Danko Lazovic ( Vitesse ) - 19
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Ajax) - 19
5. Jefferson Farfan ( PSV ) - 17
6. Wesley Sneijder ( Ajax ) - 16
7. Kennedy Bakircioglu ( FC Twente ) - 14
8. Shota Arveladze ( AZ ) - 13

[Langbaard]

Remaining program PSV, AZ and Ajax:

1. PSV - FC Twente
2. FC Utrecht - PSV
3. PSV - Vitesse

1. AZ - Vitesse
2. AZ - Heerenveen
3. Excelsior - AZ

1. Ajax - NAC Breda
2. Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam
3. Willem II - Ajax

Losing points in these last matches of the season will be fatal to any team if they want a shot at the title.

Note that PSV still has a match in the CL against Liverpool and AZ is still active in the UEFA Cup.

Both AZ and Ajax are still competing for the Dutch Cup and have made their way to the semi-finals.

[Langbaard]

KNVB cup - semi finals:

18-04: Ajax Amsterdam - RKC Waalwijk

19-04: AZ Alkmaar - NAC Breda

[Vic]

I would think the Spanish would suit him best, the English after that and I'm not to sure about the Italian.

Barca and Arsenal seem like suitable clubs for him, strong physique striker with amazing technical abillities.

Yeah i agree, the spanish league would most likely suit him the best.

I think it's about time that Dunga pics him to a national sqaud soon, he deserves a chance!

[Langbaard]

Quite honestly though, I'd like to see him come to Ajax :D

We're willing to offer 15 million so far, where Heerenveen doesn't want to go lower than 20.

Either way, we have great strikers up front, but another goal scoring machine like Alves would be great. With our current team along with him I can see us going far in the CL next year guaranteed.

He's battling with Kanoute in the 1st and 2nd place for the European Golden Boot this year, so he'll probably will have the attention of some big clubs this summer.

Yeah I'd like to see him perform at Brazil too, but the competition is extremely hard over there ofcourse so perhaps in the mere future.

[Vic]

What's your opinion about Kennedy Bakircioglu?

[Langbaard]

Very good player, has really impressed me. I remember last year he had some good games and I thought he was good signing, but this year he has been even better.
That's also thanks to FC Twente's amazing performances this season, who have a side worthy of competing for the title, although Kennedy has played a good part to realise that ofcourse.

He'll probably play at FC Twente next year again, although Feyenoord are hurting for more help and could be interested. Haven't heard any other speculations so far.

[Vic]

He'll probably play at FC Twente next year again, although Feyenoord are hurting for more help and could be interested. Haven't heard any other speculations so far.

I've heard that Galatasaray has shown interest in signing Kennedy. I personally think he will stay one more season in Twente before he goes abroad or to a bigger club in Holland.

He has impressed me aswell..i think he should get some chances in the Swedish NT..he has been picked for the NT squad at several occations but haven't got the chance yet to prove his worth.

[Vic]

Just read the Swedish newspaper and according to them Valencia has shown interest in signing Afonso Alves.

[Langbaard]

Friday April 13, 2007

Ajax Amsterdam 2 - 0 NAC Breda

Sparta Rotterdam 1 - 1 FC Utrecht



After 5 months and 20 days, Ajax have finally retained the lead position from PSV with their game already played.

PSV are 1 point below Ajax, while AZ will have to get a victory to stay on even points with Ajax.

Hopefully both of them will make some slip ups this weekend :D

[Langbaard]

Saturday April 14, 2007

ADO Den Haag 0 - 2 Roda JC

PSV 2 - 0 FC Twente

Excelsior 0 - 3 RKC Waalwijk


PSV finally grabbed a victory when it was needed the most, they are still leading the Dutch Eredivisie with a 2 point lead above Ajax and 2 match games left to play.

ADO Den Haag fate is certain now, it will relegate to the 1st Division next year, even more painfully is the fact they had a new stadium for the next year :lol:

[Langbaard]

Sunday April 15, 2007

Heracles Almelo 4 - 1 Feyenoord Rotterdam

AZ Alkmaar 1 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem

FC Groningen 4 - 1 NEC Nijmegen

Willem II 1 - 3 SC Heerenveen



The day where Feyenoord lost the valueble 5th place, AZ managed to keep their title aspirations alive and Afonso Alves scored yet another hattrick.

[Langbaard]

Sunday April 22, 2007

Ajax Amsterdam 5 - 2 Sparta Rotterdam

Vitesse Arnhem 1 - 1 FC Twente

AZ Alkmaar 3 - 1 SC Heerenveen

RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 Willem II

FC Utrecht 1 - 1 PSV Eindhoven

Feyenoord Rotterdam 1 - 1 NEC Nijmegen

Heracles Almelo 3 - 2 Excelsior Rotterdam

NAC Breda 0 - 2 Roda JC

[Langbaard]

Table standings: (with one match day left to play)

1. AZ - 72
2. Ajax - 72 ( -6 goal difference with AZ )
3. PSV - 72 ( -7 goal difference with AZ )
4. FC Twente - 63
5. Feyenoord - 53
6. Heerenveen - 52
7. Roda JC - 51
8. Groningen - 48
9. FC Utrecht - 45
10. NAC Breda - 43
11. NEC Nijmegen - 41
12. Vitesse - 38
13. Sparta Rotterdam - 33
14. Heracles Almelo - 32
15. Willem II - 31
16. Excelsior - 27
17. RKC Waalwijk - 27
18. ADO Den Haag - 17

Goal scorer table:

1. Afonso Alves ( Heerenveen ) - 30
2. Blaise N'Kufo ( FC Twente ) - 21
-. Danny Koevermans ( AZ ) - 21
3. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar ( Ajax ) - 20
4. Danko Lazovic ( Vitesse ) - 19
-. Jefferson Farfan ( PSV ) - 19
5. Wesley Sneijder ( Ajax ) - 18
6. Kennedy Bakircioglu ( FC Twente ) - 14
-. Shota Arveladze ( AZ ) - 14
7. Andwélé Slory (Excelsior ) - 12
-. Kenneth Perez ( Ajax ) - 12
-. Santi Kolk ( ADO Den Haag ) - 12

[Langbaard]

Last matchday of the Dutch Eredivisie April 29:

-FC Groningen - FC Utrecht
-FC Twente - NAC Breda
-SC Heerenveen - Feyenoord
-NEC Nijmegen - ADO Den Haag
-PSV Eindhoven - Vitesse Arnhem
-Roda JC - Heracles Almelo
-Sparta Rotterdam - RKC Waalwijk
-Willem II - Ajax Amsterdam
-Excelsior - AZ Alkmaar



While AZ, Ajax and PSV all three will have to win in order to keep their last chances of winning the title alive.

Meanwhile Heerenveen will face Feyenoord to determine which team will join the top 5 teams for the play-off phase. Although if both teams draw and Roda JC manages to win, we could even see them in the play-offs.

It looks AZ will become champion with a relative easy opponent Excelsior, although the game is away and both Ajax and PSV have spilled valueble points in matches against Excelsior.

Ajax will need a monster score in order to keep things in their own hand, but if they become champion AZ will have to make a big slip-up.

PSV had it all in their own hands and are now dependent on both Ajax and AZ to still see them off as Dutch champions.

The nr 1, 2 and 3 all at 72 points and just one very exciting match day left to play to crown the new Dutch champions.

[Langbaard]

KNVB Cup - semi finals results :

18-04-2007:

Ajax Amsterdam 3 - 1 RKC Waalwijk

19-04-2007:

AZ Alkmaar 6 - 0 NAC Breda

KNVB Cup Final:

06-05-2007, De Kuip, Rotterdam

AZ Alkmaar - Ajax Amsterdam

[Langbaard]

PSV Eindhoven won the Dutch league for the 20th time in history, PSV who beat Vitesse on their last day 5 - 1 ended with the same points as Ajax, but scored just a simple ( bloody damn ) goal more than Ajax who won against Willem II 2 - 0.

1. PSV - 75
2. Ajax - 75
3. AZ - 72
4. Twente - 66
5. Heerenveen - 55

PSV is guaranteed for a place in the Champion's League next year, while 2,3,4 and 5 battle it out for the last CL ticket.

Play-off matches:

Heerenveen (5) - Ajax(2)
Ajax (2) - Heerenveen (5)

AZ ( 3) - FC Twente ( 4 )
FC Twente (4) - AZ (3)

The teams will play each other home and away, after the game both victors will face each other to determine who will represent The Netherlands in the Champion's League next to PSV Eindhoven.

To the rest who lose, they will have a ticket for the UEFA Cup.

Ironicly enough, Feyenoord ended 7th place this year and will focus on getting an UEFA Cup ticket in the play-offs, which ofcourse can go all ways.

I'll post a more extensive statistics for the last match day and upcoming fixtures.

[Xizor]

Great game by PSV last week, especially by Farfan. Good job PSV you guys deserved that Championship.

[Isaac]

Tilburg - Alkmaar
Over 2,5, @1,67, Expekt, 3/10

Tilburg is solid at home, is overish at home and actually seems to be in good ofensive form as they won 4-0 at home against Arnheim last round. On the other hand Alkmaar looks not good right now. They are conceeding too much. They are overish at away even generally. They conceeded 6 goals at Ajax and 4 goals at Heerenveen recently. In last round they lost 1-2 at home with Breda. Not only that they have problems in defence but there is even problem with their moral. In this situation is very probable that Tilburg will score. On the other hand Alkmaar has big ofensive potential and will score very probably too. All in all over 2,5 is close in this match. But because odds represent this fact good, there is only small value in them and I have to recommend only low stakes. Good luck:)

[SiN]

Louis Van Gaal is back on its steps, announcing that he wants to stay on the bench of AZ Alkmaar until 2010, expiration date of his engagement with the Dutch.

Damn that means Galatasaray will not have him as a coach next season!!

[Munko]

You can find Dutch League Season Review from http://munkosports.blogspot.com

[SiN]

The Serbian defender of Partizan Belgrade, Nemanja Rnic (23), has signed a contract for three years - with the option for the fourth with Anderlecht.

[Wabbit]

Schalke unveil Engelaar


Dutch international midfielder Orlando Engelaar was unveiled by German first division side Schalke 04 on Tuesday.

The 28-year-old joined the Ruhr club - third in last season's Bundesliga - from Dutch side FC Twente Enschede for a fee of 5.5 million euros.

The towering player made his international debut in 2007, going on to feature in Marco van Basten's UEFA EURO 2008 team defeated in the quarter-finals by Russia.

[SiN]

Murcia are trying to speed up the negotiation to obtain Anderlecht 25 year old goalkeeper Silvio Proto. The spanish club has been tracking the player for over one month, but now also Lille seem interested.