Brazil VS. Chile

[Joey]

I hope we can get the 3 points... we need them more than ever.. i never though i'd say it, but i say to the brazilian players: "FOUL..FOUL.. if u can"... if thats what it takes to get us out of this crisis..

Ronaldo as u may have haerd will not play for the national team because of his injury. Is Rivaldho going to play?

I think we should mark Sallas aggressively.. he is the danger man for chile.:ronaldo:

Good Luck Barzil !!! :thumbsup:

[Garrincha]

Apparently Rivaldo is going to play, yes. Flamengo's Edilson was called up for Ronaldo's place. Scolari is doing his usual mystery before the match, juggling players on training in such a way that it's impossible to figure out the starters. Hope the players don't get more confused than the Chilean coach.:rolleyes:

And I don't think fouling is gonna do the trick. What we need is offensive bravery. We have to attack them like there's no tomorrow, and corner Chile in their defense. If we give them space to attack us, things might get complicated.

This is it, we gotta beat 'em. Otherwise we'll have to beat Bolivia in the heights of La Paz, where the blood gets thin and the air is scarce (some people actually pass out in there, it's their idea of "making the odds even" - not very sporting, but very Bolivian). Not an easy job.

[Joey]

I catually like schlori's juggling of the team.. it makes it more more intersting to the oppositionj and to the fans, cuz u don't know who will start or who will be where. I just hope like u that the players too don't get comfused :D

I think too that they should pressure them in the first 20 kinutes hard to score some goals then play a normal game.. i know to is better to put the pressure all the time, but we can't afford counter attcks with sallas on the attack. But i heard that a lot of chilean players have withdrawn, which make life a bit easier for us to score goals.

I also hope that rivalho turns up the heat up and gets into form for the national team.. his last preformance were not that awsome... Elbere too, had a good 2 games with byren and was certianly ontop of his form.. i am expecting some goals form him.:D

[Garrincha]

Well, Elber needs to secure that starter position fast, 'cause Ronaldo is coming' back, and I think he'll get his 9 back.

If Elber is smart, he'll focus on Rivaldo's moves, trying to be the target-man Kluivert is at Barça. The most likely lineup for Sunday's match, IMHO, involves a froward line with Rivaldo, Ronaldinho (Ronny, from PSG) and Elber - maybe Denilson in Ronny's spot. With this structure, the target-man must strive to be available for passes at all times. If he succeeds, and he has the talent to succeed, he'll become indispensable, even when R9 takes his place (picture it: Rivaldo, Ronaldo and Elber. Sounds good ;) ).

The "target" striker position is a key position Brazil hasn't stablished yet. Jardel came and went without being missed; Amoroso had a bad streak, then was replaced (he would actually be the "support" forward, but should be in the NT anyway); Washington, França and Leandro also failed to deliver. There are other guys who could be tested for the position - Corinthians' Luizão, and Atletico's Kleber, to name two. The fact is, we have to settle for SOMEbody and get the f**king team to play!:worried:

We must remember we're behind on that department, in relation to the opposition - Crespo and batistuta are naturals at Argentina; Vieri is somewhat obvious in Italy; and France has a few established options too (although none as impressive as the three mentioned). Brazil has the players for the job, but WHICH ONE? :confused:

Sometimes having a lot of options can work against you, y'know? Having less choices, you go with what you have and TRAIN till it works. :rolleyes:

Here's hoping that Sunday's game is a great football match, that no players get hurt, and that Brazil wins. I hope the team plays in an organized manner, and that many beautiful goals happen.

Cheers! :thumbsup:

:star: :star: :star: :star:

[Joey]

Ronaldo isn't playing.. the brazilian doctors sent him back to milan after he got a muscle strain in inter's 2nd leg uefa match. So i think elbere will be starting the match, along with Ronaldinho (PSG). Densilyon migh come on as sub but i don't think he will start.

Any word on Mauro Silva... i heard rumoirs that deportiva la cournia didn't want to realease him. Or was he not recalled in the forst place by Scholari.

But there is one thing i am very angry about, and thats that playmaker zinho was not recalled. I mean come on, he is a great player, and they always overlook him.:D

[Garrincha]

And we won by a sweet, solid 2 x 0. We're not there yet, but as the team's gameplay matures, it all looks much easier. As I've said before, if we manage to build an efficient eleven, we can beat any opponent, and conquer anything.

Scolari's 3-5-2 system looks like it might work. Edmilson, substituting Cris on the back three, changed it from a flabby and unreliable mess into a workable unit with pace and power. For those who don't know Cris: He's a left-footed central defender who Scolari was fielding for lack of better options - his "style" is basically booting the ball as far as he can - and he was doing very very badly. Edmilson (who plays for Lyon) apparently solves that problem, as he has speed and good passing, making the team's exit from defense become far smoother. Scolari may very well be on to something here.

On the offense, the squad only really "clicked" when Denilson came in, Scolari's tactical premise becoming clear at last. In a "W"-shaped midfield in which the wingbacks are actually wingers, the two pacey forwards support the wingers, Edilson with Cafu and Denilson with Roberto Carlos; while prolific Rivaldo comes from behind, doing the striker's job (of course, with the quality assistance of Vampeta, Juan and Emerson).

This looks very consistent both in offense and defense, and in theory it's an ideal system for opening up thightly-closed defenses (which we face frequently).

Next we'll face Bolivia in the heights of La Paz. May the best team win, and may the best team have a safe trip back to Brazil. ;)
:star: :star: :star: :star:

[Joey]

Yes we won.. but any word on urguaway's ,match... hope they lose.:D

[Joey]

Yes.. Urguay have drew with colmbia... this moves up 2 points clear of urguay.. so if we win our next match against bolivia and they lose or draw then its over for them... i think we should beat bolivia by a clear margin of about 3-0 or higher... i mean ecaudor beat them 5-1, even on a high alltitude.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D

[Garrincha]

A fun thing happened on the 40th minute of the Brazil x Chile match: the Chilean coach (who had already used up his three substitutions) called up one of his reserves from the bench. The player got up and went to the coach, who proceeded to give him instructions - instructions he would be unable to follow, as there were no subs left. Maybe the coach just wanted someone to talk to, huh?

And did you see Argentina's match vs. Paraguay? What an incredibly shameless hand goal from Pocchettino. He actually punched it in! Batistuta, on the other hand, scored on a perfect touch, a classy goal.

[Mato]

This from a guy who´s team made Copa America 99 finals by a hadball as clear as Pochettino´s (Tulio). He who´s free of sin throw the first stone.............:D:D

(Always love to argue with a Brasilian) :D

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by Mato
This from a guy who´s team made Copa America 99 finals by a hadball as clear as Pochettino´s (Tulio). He who´s free of sin throw the first stone.............:D:D

(Always love to argue with a Brasilian) :D

Tulio was Botafogo's striker for years, being the top goalscorer in Brazil for two consecutive years, 94-95 (in '95, facing the competition of Romario at Flamengo). He was also top goalscorer of the '95 championship, which we won :star: . Tulio in his prime scored against most anybody, all the time. He scored with his feet, knees, chest, head, he even scored with his ass once in a Libertadores Cup. :D He scored two or three against Juventus in a Tereza Herrera tournament Botafogo won (a little pre-season cup traditionally played in Spain).

Tulio's record in the National Team was also impressive: He played 14 times, and scored precisely 14 goals. Not a bad average! :shocked:

And yes, it's great arguing with Argentinians. Particularly ones who remember Tulio's "Hand of God" goal :D .

[Mato]

Ok, the guy was pretty good. So was Maradona and he cheated anyway......:D. This goes to prove that most all players, coaches, and fans would accept and cheer any goal enough to win. (Directed to all hipocrit english fans who rip and tear they clothes everytime someone mentions LA MANO DE DIOS, but would celebrate if it were in their favor)

But apart from I´d say that getting a tie in Bolivia would get you guys right in, since Uruguay will probably lose in Ecuador, and given the goal difference and that your final match will be against Venezuela playing in Brasil.

Guess we´ll have to kick your ass in 2002.:D:D:D

p.d.: It´s TERESA Herrera :thumbsup:

[Rivaldø]

Originally posted by Mato
Ok, the guy was pretty good. So was Maradona and he cheated anyway......:D. This goes to prove that most all players, coaches, and fans would accept and cheer any goal enough to win. (Directed to all hipocrit english fans who rip and tear they clothes everytime someone mentions LA MANO DE DIOS, but would celebrate if it were in their favor)


that's true. In Brazil we have an expression, that a goal is actually MORE pleasant if it's a hand goal on extra time, and the player was offside but the judge didnt stop the play. :D Because that goal will drive the opposing teams' lovers out of their minds with anger.

[ItalianBoy]

I saw the BRA CHI replay today and I saw a Brasil, to me, that was inconsisten and didnt know what the hell they were doing! I mean Rivaldo and Rcarlos etc they were all in theyr own planet! They dont play as a team. Someting that ARG and ITA do, so I guess that why, adding to the great players, we are the 2 best now.
:D

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by Mato
This goes to prove that most all players, coaches, and fans would accept and cheer any goal enough to win. (Directed to all hipocrit english fans who rip and tear they clothes everytime someone mentions LA MANO DE DIOS, but would celebrate if it were in their favor)


Hey, I love the "La Mano de Dios" goal, even when I first saw it I couldn't help cheering the absolute (and funny) shamelessness of that goal. It's weird and outrageous. Of course, when you're in the receiving end, it tends to make you lust for blood. :redeyes: :bloody: :sealed: :ronaldo: A british fan probably won't remember that goal fondly, and who can blame them?:rolleyes:
As the germans would not cherish remembering that non-goal in the '66 WC final.:mad:

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by Mato
But apart from I´d say that getting a tie in Bolivia would get you guys right in, since Uruguay will probably lose in Ecuador, and given the goal difference and that your final match will be against Venezuela playing in Brasil.


I HATE having to do math to confirm qualification. Absolutely hate it. It's never a good sign, when you're supporting a team. It increases risk of heart attacks among supporters too. :dazed:

[Mato]

Which is the very example I use everytime any english guy starts rambling all over again about that goal

[Mato]

Originally posted by Garrincha


I HATE having to do math to confirm qualification. Absolutely hate it. It's never a good sign, when you're supporting a team. It increases risk of heart attacks among supporters too. :dazed:


You know, it is strange, but you´re right, it seems that the Murphy Law always applies directly in this cases. So maybe you should leave predictions to me, right? :D

[Joey]

I think gar is right.. we should only be looking at the math when we are facing 2 top teams at the end like Argentoina and pargway or somthein..

but when we face bolivia or venzuela, then i think regardless of the math or were we are in the tables, we should win and win easily.. these 2 teams are in the bottom, and we shouldn't be thinking that much about just qualfiying.. God.. if we lose any of the next matches, espically the venzuela match then we shouldn't even go to Japan.. however i think urguay will have a very hard job on their hands, .. ecuador and then argentina..

however we too shouldn't get that overconfident, espically of the next macth, becasue of the tricky alttitude.. that is the only reason why we might not beat them, plus they need to be very lucky, as brazil as i am sure will be attaking from the first minute.:D

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by Joey
however we too shouldn't get that overconfident, espically of the next macth, becasue of the tricky alttitude.. that is the only reason why we might not beat them, plus they need to be very lucky, as brazil as i am sure will be attaking from the first minute.:D

Are you really that sure? These days, I have to admit I'm not sure Scolari will begin the game at full throttle. I think he should, but coaches these days are so defensive... It's so rare to see a top coach do something really bold, y'know? Even when they have quality attacking options and excellent defenders (who could do the job even when not so well-protected by layers upon layers of defensive mids) - even then, the coaches prefer to field more defensive players.

I mean, take Italy for example: With the high level of Italy's defenders, why can't the Azzurra's coach attempt something daring and bold - like fielding, I don't know, two (or three) forward mids to support the two strikers? Why keep adding destroyers to the midfield?

There are plenty of options to organize a defense that don't involve the simple accumulation of workhorses;we see them working when a team is behind on the scoreboard and is trying to claw out the result. WHY doesn't some coach try something courageous for once, and play on attack from the start? Why do they need to defend before attacking - and not the other way around?

Look, I'm not being nostalgic here. I'm saying that it IS possible to play offensively and to be competitive at the same time. We all KNOW the three points are what counts, and that the only ones who care about the beauty of the game are us fans. But so many modern matches end up in 0-0 draws due to mutual cowardice and inpenetrable defensive systems...

It's just a matter of philosophy, IMO.

[Joey]

Gar, i always find it hard to argue u, even though i always like to argue ppl..;)

But i think ur opinion on this one, is coming from a fan's point of view and not from a coach's view.

God knows the closest i got to coaching was coaching a 12 year old soccer team (in which we only won 3 matches out of 8 :D), but i think caoch these days (espically of national teams), are to scared to do such as thing, becaues i even though u might be right, this plan might backfiore and a well defending team with a good defence can hold this pressure of attack u are talking about, and they might even pull one off a counter attack.. This of course would only mean one thing if a team with this startgey loses.. THE COACH IS THE ONE TO BLAME, even if the players were not up to level...

That is why i think coaches try not to get to technical in terms of startegy and try to balance a defence/attack plan, which could mean a boring deadlock match ending up 0-0 or 1-0. Because lets face the facts.. whenever a team loses or plays poorly, then the coach is the one that is always blamed, regradless of the players form (although somne media in some countries somthimes critize players). But a good example for thius is the sacking of 3 of brazil's caoch's... so i guess being a coach is a night mare, espically when u caoch a top team or club like brazil.. ur own country plus all the other countryies look at u, and comment every move u do.. however i think that ur stratgey would either need a very strong and confident coach who can take any crtics and throw it in the tracsh, or a team who is experimentimg like argentina or france. ;) :cool:

[Garrincha]

Yeah, I know, I was just dreaming out loud. It's so rare to see a really bold strategy these days, y'know?

[Joey]

yeah i agree with u on that point.. it seems that no coach will pull off any new suprise's in terms of strategy even if they are in good postion like argentina or france. If i was theier coach i would try completely new strategy's and plans, and cheecking out which one suits his own players better. Itr doesn't matter if they lose or win, and it doesn't matter if the coach is ctizied, because the result of any expewriment can be positive or negative.. good or bad.. but u would never know if u didn't try it.. so i would rea;lly encourgae caoaches who are in good conditions to try these nrew n=bold stratgety ur talkin about.;)