Breaking News: Radovan Karadzic Arrested

[Saraj Fanático]

Bosnia war crime suspect Karadzic arrested


BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) -- Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, a top war crimes suspect, was arrested Monday in Serbia, the Serbian president and the U.N. war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia said.


President Boris Tadic's office said in a statement that Karadzic was arrested on Monday evening "in an action by the Serbian security services."

Karadzic was indicted by the U.N. war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia for genocide during the 1992-95 Bosnian war and had been hiding since 1998.

Serbia has been under heavy pressure from the European Union to turn over suspects to the international tribunal.

If Karadzic is extradited, he would be the 44th Serb suspect extradited to the tribunal. The others include former President Slobodan Milosevic, who was ousted in 2000 and died in 2006 while on trial on war crimes charges.

Karadzic was wanted on genocide charges for allegedly organizing the 1995 massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica and other atrocities of the Bosnian war.

"I was informed by our colleagues in Belgrade about the successful operation which resulted in the arrest of Radovan Karadzic," the tribunal's head prosecutor, Serge Brammertz, said

"On behalf of the Office of the Prosecutor, I would like to congratulate the Serbian authorities, especially the National Security Council, Serbia's Action Team in charge of tracking fugitives and the Office of the War Crimes Prosecutor, on achieving this milestone in cooperation with the ICTY."

He added: "This is a very important day for the victims who have waited for this arrest for over a decade. It is also an important day for international justice because it clearly demonstrates that nobody is beyond the reach of the law and that sooner or later all fugitives will be brought to justice."

Karadzic was a fugitive from justice for almost 13 years. The first indictment against him was confirmed on 24 July 1995.

Karadzic, the former President of the Serb Republic, head of the Serbian Democratic Party and Supreme Commander of the Bosnian Serb Army, is charged with genocide, complicity in genocide, extermination, murder, wilful killing, persecutions, deportation, inhumane acts, and other crimes committed against Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians in Bosnia and Herzegovina during the 1992-1995 war.

His indictment alleges that he, acting together with others, committed the crimes to secure control of areas of Bosnia which had been proclaimed part of the "Serbian Republic" and significantly reducing its non-Serb population.

On Saturday, Serb authorities turned over an ex-Bosnian Serb police chief, Stojan Zupljanin, who was arrested in the town of Pancevo last week after nine years on the run. A Belgrade court on Friday rejected his appeal against extradition and Zupljanin pleaded innocent Monday to 12 charges of murder, torture and persecution of Bosnian Muslims and Croats in 1992.

Zupljanin was charged with war crimes for allegedly overseeing Serb-run prison camps where thousands of Muslims and Croats were killed during the 1992-95 war in Bosnia
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A great day for the victims of his crimes and his ideas. Radovan Karadzic is finally where he deserves to be. Congrats to Serbia for finally capturing him. 13 years is too long of a time of freedom. lol Sarajevo will burn with celebrations tomorrow. Its so funny, I am here and Sarajevo is sleeping and nobody knows the news yet but me and those who I contacted.

[Saraj Fanático]

Zupljanin bite the big one also.

[The Joker]

He is innocent until proven guilty.

[FR Sloboda]

Alas that Bastard is gone, he should be sent to the US and get executed.

He is gonna die in hell anyway.

I could spend 1000 posts dissing him, that's how crap of a person Karadzic is.

[Saraj Fanático]

Dupont stop acting like some mod around here. Your calling war criminals heroes and innocent which is nothing more then provocation. Since you know 0 of this issue (And the majority of the issues you decide to argue about) go drink your cup of hot milk and take a nap.

[The Joker]

War Criminals? Is he CONVICTED? Nope.

[Andygers]

Guys guys is there not an ignore option in your control panel? So if theres people you don't like add them to that.

[The Joker]

Oh, and if other members are calling me horrible names then I am allowed to defend myself you know...

[The Joker]

Guys guys is there not an ignore option in your control panel? So if theres people you don't like add them to that.

^ Agreed.

[Andygers]

Sorry irrelevant post.

[poutismalakas]

FR Sloboda and Saraj Fanático PLEASE watch your mouths!!! Dupont please try to provoke! only warning for everyone!

[Saraj Fanático]

War Criminals? Is he CONVICTED? Nope. Karadzic is INNOCENT and will be found that way too.

Thats like capturing Hitler and not convicting him... another pathetic post of yours. I know your rooting for a killer of Muslims, but face reality. Stop being ignorant and look at this from a human and honest perspective. I will respond to you on this specific matter (Guilty vs Not Guilty) after Karadzic is convicted.

[The Joker]

FR Sloboda and Saraj Fanático PLEASE watch your mouths!!! Dupont please try to provoke! only warning for everyone!

I never called anyone a name...I am NOT provoking. He is INNOCENT until proven guilty.

[Saraj Fanático]

FR Sloboda and Saraj Fanático PLEASE watch your mouths!!! Dupont please try to provoke! only warning for everyone!

Oh he is provoking alright.

[nb-legenda]

How in god's name is he innocent? There's a clear video tape of him and Mladic saying how they're about to take over Srebrenica and kill Muslims and then a video tape of him shooting some of them, lol who gives a ***k what Dupont thinks, that immature 12 year old kid, the Tribunal knows everything that's happened, there's raw evidence everywhere, it can't be denied. The Cetniks have committed one of the worst crimes in world history, and it'll be the scar of Serbia for centuries, sucks though most Serbs actually support them, it's only undermining the country and destroying your relationships/reputations

Dupont, run along :lol: go take a nap you lil' kid

[boris4c]

Karadzic was captured thanks to the current political situation in Seribia. The SPS (Serbian Socialist Party - Milosevic's party) is now in power once again, thanks to a coalition with Boris Tadic's party (Serbia's current president). The Socialists were looking for more power and were looking for more ministeries to control - such as the police, the army, the finances, etc. The only way they could get these is by capturing Karadzic. I think they knew where he was for all the 12 years. The world can thank Ivica Dacic for this capture. This thing I just said was well-explained in details in all media throughout Canada that I watched.

We will see what happens next. I thought Karadzic would never be captured, it is still unknown wether this is 100% true but chances are it is. We will see wether Karadzic will have the right to represent himself in the Hague like Milosevic did. Probably not, because Milosevic simply won and justice was never served. On top, he died, and it was a huge failure for the tribunal.

Still, this man did what he wanted. He created a Serbian state in Bosnia. Serbs all over the world have to thank him for that. The way he did this surely wasn't the best, but as we say : cilj ne bira sredstva. Karadzic surely had his fingers in many killings and in horrible politics, but because of that Serbian entity, Serbs will always have something for him.

Serbs cannot be discouraged by his capture. He is only a part of the European exchange, and I'm sure he was willingly caught, much like Gotovina and some others.

Now, we know what's going to happen in The Hague. Karadzic is not only accused, he is already convicted of everything, because the tribunal doesn't care about facts or proofs. We all know this after Haradinaj, Oric, and most likely Gotovina, have all been set free. Milosevic and some other Serbs have been killed, and some have been put in jail for eternity.

I hope this capture is a promise of peace, but I very much doubt it is. Tadic is just thanking the West for giving him the right to be President by capturing these guys and by never having a solid stance about Kosovo, plus he's planning to return our ambassadors to 11 EU countries.

People think "now it will be better". The same thing was said when Milosevic was arrested. Then maybe one day Mladic will be arrested and people will still say "now we're finally going to live a normal life" but none of this will truly happen.

Capturing Karadzic/Mladic was something Serbia had to do before entering the EU, but the next thing will be that they have to recognize Kosovo, and so on. There will always be something, and we will always be against the wall.

During the war in BiH, people wanted to put the Serbs in a country they did not want to live in in aggresive fashion. As a small consolation, we have Karadzic's Republic of Srpska, until the next war, when we will see what else is going to happen.

[boris4c]

How in god's name is he innocent? There's a clear video tape of him and Mladic saying how they're about to take over Srebrenica and kill Muslims and then a video tape of him shooting some of them, lol who gives a ***k what Dupont thinks, that immature 12 year old kid, the Tribunal knows everything that's happened, there's raw evidence everywhere, it can't be denied. The Cetniks have committed one of the worst crimes in world history, and it'll be the scar of Serbia for centuries, sucks though most Serbs actually support them, it's only undermining the country and destroying your relationships/reputations

Dupont, run along :lol: go take a nap you lil' kid
Scar of Serbia for centuries?

Are you stupid or do your feet smell? The vast majority of people all over the world have already forgotten about the millions and millions of lives taken by the Nazis in WW II and this was forgotten in less than 50 years. Some people still remember this because this was the world's major event in history and something that affected every country in the world. The war we are talking about is a small-scale war and many people don't even know it took place or what happened.

Germany is today one of the richest countries in the world, as is Austria or Italy. Don't tell me they have been scarred for centuries.

[nb-legenda]

Boris, nice article, question: do you admire Karadzic/Mladic or?

[Bosnian Unit]

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[Bosnian Unit]

http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/images/Alija_Izetbegovic.jpg

I pledge my loyalty to you
my thousand year old land
from Sava to the sea
from Drina to Una

You are the only one
the only homeland I have
You are the only one
Bosnia and Herzegovina

May God save you
for the generations to come
you are the land of my dreams
the land of my forefathers

You are the only one
the only homeland I have
You are the only one
Bosnia and Herzegovina

[boris4c]

Boris, nice article, question: do you admire Karadzic/Mladic or?
I will never say Karadzic and Mladic were heroes. Of course, both of them did horrible things but many Serbs will always feel it was in the interest of all Serbs, and that if it wasn't for them, more Serbs would've been killed, and Serbs wouldn't have their own entity in BiH. They did not pick the best method to do this, as numerous lives were lost, but as I said earlier: cilj ne bira sredstva. They had their goal, and it didn't matter to them how they were going to reach it.

As you could probably see on your TV, thousands of Serbs are celebrating the capture of Karadzic in the streets of Belgrade. I will tell you that those celebrating are the naive ones thinking we will have a much better future because of this, the ones that believe in a European dream, in an American friend, and so on.

In another post of yours, Nermin, you were saying how 90% of Serbs support the ones you like to call "Chetniks". This is absolutely not true. The only supporters of this are more or less the voters of the Serbian Radical Party led by Vojislav Seselj, which is a mere 30% of Serbia's population (it doesn't even reach 30% for diaspora Serbs). I am a supporter of the Serbian Radical Party but it also doesn't indicate I support the killings and everything else.

The only reason why Serbs today are very bitter towards the West and why they are so protective over Karadzic, Mladic, and other war criminals, is because they feel (rightfully) that all of the conflict\s weight has been put on the Serbs' shoulders, portraying the Serbs as little devils while everybody else was just pure and innocent.

There was never one war in history where only side is responsible. I will agree the Serbs should take most of the blame, but this number should never even approach 80%as you claim.

So, as I was saying, the Serbs are bitter and protecting their "heroes" because they see Haradinaj, Oric, Gotovina, and others ... all being set free while they are also war criminals. It's not because The Hague, an American-led, imperialist, fascist and a humourous organization says you're not a war criminal that you aren't really. The Hague has proven on numerous occasions that it's only a joke.

It was recently said by former Hague Chief Prosecutor, Carla del Ponte, that the Kosovo Albanians and the KLA were killing Serbs and were later selling and dealing their organs. Even France's minister of exterior affairs knew about this and was deeply involved. The Hague simply said "it is too late" to start investigating in the affair. Another sense of injustice for the Serbs. How can it be too late? Milosevic also proved the Tribunal was a circus when nobody could really prove his crimes.

It is officially said by The Hague that if Tudjman and Izetbegovic "had lived", they would also be in The Hague. This was said well after their death, why weren't they indicted when they were still alive and when we knew exactly where they were? Another joke.

Critics remain sceptical about the disproportionately large number of indictees being Serbs, whereas there have been too few indictments resulting from crimes committed against Serbs.

Hence, for all these reasons, Serbs are protecting Mladic and Karadzic as they feel they should be free much like the others, and because they actually helped the Serbs and gained something for them. The Bosniaks feel the same way towards Izetbegovic, the Croats towards Tudjman, etc. but in the end, all of them were big war criminals who all deserved to rot in jail much like Mladic and Karadzic if we look at it from the ethical point of view of course.

[nb-legenda]

I don't get why you have to put Izetbegovic alongside Tudjman, Milosevic, and all the others, Izetbegovic was a Bosnian hero. Also, there was no proof of Oric's massacre

[Sema]

Dupont, you make no sense. Why would the world be searching for an innocent man for 12 years? Surely someone inocent would not be worth the time and money. You haven't got the slightest clue about any of this.

[boris4c]

^ Izetbegovic is a Bosnian hero just like Tudjman is a Croatian hero and Mladic is a Serbian hero. You understand?

You should also know that Izetbegovic was accused of war crimes and under investigation until his death in 2003.

There is proof of Naser Oric's killings, but everything is hidden and kept secret to the outside world and some people choose to believe it's the truth.

[nb-legenda]

Well I'm not God, and I have no idea what has TRULY happened, so we can't both jump over the boat and assume things

[Sarajbahçe]

^ dude Boris.. when you get attacked and someone does brutal killings..
the only way you have a chance of defending your country is to fight..
almost all of those serb heads cut off were by mujahideen's and not Bosniak Army.. but Oric had no fears as he said he went to the Hague empty handed because he knew he was innocent and we have proven innocent.. Till the day you prove he did slayings like Karadzic did, then i will agree with you.. but dont post the serb propaganda again!

and Dupont : i already told you, what are you doing in a thread you have no idea about.. go back to your little hole and drink some more tea while reading Harry Potter! You are probably mad that 1 muslim tried to blow up the bus or the subway in london and failed and therefore you accuse all muslims of being the same.. get a life!

[-Vozdra-]

I cant believe it. When i woke up this morning somebody told me the news and i didnt believe them. I went straight to bbc.com figuring it would be a top story and it was.

Its good to see these criminals come to justice. They have had their freedom for too long.

I guess its one of those moments that you will always remember. Like the place you were when you heard it and who you heard from.

[Nit]

Mixed feelings about this, although he did all those atritious things amongst the bosnjak people in bosna, he also defended his own and fought for the survival of serbs in bosna and not living in an islamic state.

[Pape]

This "capture" and Karadzic today are just another force for the worlds governing body to manipulate all of its people into some way. What is the big deal with Karadzic today? In reality his capture doesn't impact my life as a Serb nor anybody elses life. His life was over the day he started hiding, his power and political career all gone, and the purpose he served and what he did was already done and written in stone.

I quote "capture" and I hope everybody understand my point with that considering the timing and such of this event.

[Nit]

Very very well said pape, its all the wheels in motion from the west but there are no winners in the end. We all got ***ked up and the west won, it was for their gain

[DelijaZauvjek]

Mixed feelings about this, although he did all those atritious things amongst the bosnjak people in bosna, he also defended his own and fought for the survival of serbs in bosna and not living in an islamic state.

Exactly my friend.

I have nothing against Mladic, Izetbegovic, Tudjman, or many other war generals. These guys did what their job was. The same with Karadzic. They had their job and did it. Same as Arkan and many others. They were brutal when killing opposing armies.
The people that I most utterly disagree with is the Ustase, Cetnici, and mujahideens or whatever you want to call them. These people were not normal.

Sure, Mladic, Izetbegovic, and Tudjman did things that were humiliating and what not but it's war. What the hell do you expect when there is a war.
Of course Serbs will side with their side and Bosnians with their side. So, what's the real point?

[FR Sloboda]

Zemljo tisućljetna
Na vjernost ti se kunem
Od mora do Save
Od Drine do Une

Jedna si jedina
moja domovina
Jedna si jedina
Bosna i Hercegovina

[DelijaZauvjek]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Yup...We all have Karadzic to thank for Republika SRPSKA!!
Thank you guys.

He did it in a bad manner but hey..We still own 40 percent of Bosnia.
haha =D

[DelijaZauvjek]

You know what guys...
I actually just realized something...

We are all human and pretty much one nation.
Same language same everything except for the fact we differ in religion but look at USA ;)......

So, i'm just going to appologize. Say sorry if I hurt or offended someone and move on.
Politics is really pointless.
It's a dirty little game that nobody should want to play.
It corrupts your mind and puts hate into you.
So, i'm done. Enjoy fellas =D
but I won't participate in this worthless conversation any more.
I've been arguing politics all day in different aspects and now that my day or night whatever is over and remember all the arguing i've done and what not and see that i've accomplished nothing. It's just not worth it any more.
Everyone has their own opinion and it should be respected. Some have more educated opinions (Boris) some less...........cough*Nermin*cough but whatever.
=D

[Saraj Fanático]

Exactly my friend.

I have nothing against Mladic, Izetbegovic, Tudjman, or many other war generals. These guys did what their job was. The same with Karadzic. They had their job and did it. Same as Arkan and many others. They were brutal when killing opposing armies.
The people that I most utterly disagree with is the Ustase, Cetnici, and mujahideens or whatever you want to call them. These people were not normal.

Sure, Mladic, Izetbegovic, and Tudjman did things that were humiliating and what not but it's war. What the hell do you expect when there is a war.
Of course Serbs will side with their side and Bosnians with their side. So, what's the real point?

Ones job is to commit genocide and state "The Muslim people may extinct"? I have never seen Izetbegovic state "The Serb people may exist". If you disagree please for once take this in a mature way and prove me wrong. He had visions of a Islamic state but then he stopped that thinking and said he wants a democratic state of all people.

There is a clear line made in between what genocide is and what war is. Genocide is the killings of Muslims in Srebrenica, Foca, and such... WAR is ARBiH vs VRS, ARBiH vs HVO, HVO vs VRS etc.. it was not a job of Mujahideen fighters to behead Serb villagers also. That is no war, that is murder.

People say Karadzic can be seen a s a hero for protecting his people. How? It was clear as day that Bosnian Forces were not existing in 92 and that is when the war started. The war started for Greater Serbia. All there was in the beginning was Militants of Mafia leaders such as Juka and others who were busy fighting in Sarajevo. Karadzic was there from the beginning and he was suppose to protect Serbs? It was until late 1993 where there was a active and official Bosnian force and there was no reason for Serbs to defend their people for it because Atif Dudakovic and Rasim Delic have not once declared for Serb civilians to be "extinct".

[Saraj Fanático]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Yup...We all have Karadzic to thank for Republika SRPSKA!!
Thank you guys.

He did it in a bad manner but hey..We still own 40 percent of Bosnia.
haha =D

Heh, that entities destruction is getting closer by the day. USA will destroy it for its will for cooperation with Russia and those the US challenges politically. Your "RS" was saved by the US to convince Milosevic of feeling he won something from BiH's conflict and thus he believed he can win something by attacking Kosovo. After attacking Kosovo, the US had all the reason to cripple Serbia. RS served as a factor which led to Serbia's invasion of Kosovo and its collapse. Nothing can save Dodik from the destiny coming. The genocide Mini-State will be cut off. Do you think the US forgot what the Serbs did to their embassy in Belgrade? Or the attempt to burn Banja Luka's US embassy building? :lol: They don't ever forget. They didn't forget Pearl Harbor (Hiroshima and Nagasaki response), they didn't forget the Soviet Union's help to the Vietcong (US arms Mujahideen to spank Russians in Afghanistan), they didn't forget US hostage crisis in Iran (Arming Saddam with Chemical weapons to use on Iran).....USA will not forget about the Genocide states allience to the Russian regime or the burning of Western Embassies. Why do you think Lajcak is complaining about the economic situation in the whole of BiH and US ambassadors saying that the next 10 years will be the most important for BiH. Slowly but surely things are coming into place. Who knows, after this Karadzic capture, he might share a thing or two which may spark the beginning of the end of that entity.

USA is playing a clever political game with the Balkans and they know what they are planning.

[Saraj Fanático]

Nonetheless, I congratulate the Serbs and their Government for capturing a guy who did an excellent job disguising himself as the perfect Santa Clause. Now I hope Serbia catches his first General Ratko Mladic who is most likely around Belgrade also and the Serbs can move forward to the EU just as the countless souls taken by these two men can be at peace. So again, well done to Tadic and his government.

[nb-legenda]

You know what guys...
I actually just realized something...

We are all human and pretty much one nation.
Same language same everything except for the fact we differ in religion but look at USA ;)......

So, i'm just going to appologize. Say sorry if I hurt or offended someone and move on.
Politics is really pointless.
It's a dirty little game that nobody should want to play.
It corrupts your mind and puts hate into you.
So, i'm done. Enjoy fellas =D
but I won't participate in this worthless conversation any more.
I've been arguing politics all day in different aspects and now that my day or night whatever is over and remember all the arguing i've done and what not and see that i've accomplished nothing. It's just not worth it any more.Everyone has their own opinion and it should be respected. Some have more educated opinions (Boris) some less...........cough*Nermin*cough but whatever.
=D

you just realized it :lol: :lol:

really smart from you Bojane, I didn't expect that from you, respect for that, same here, sorry

except the last sentence, you were in a coughing incident :confused:

PS: I hate that clown Ratko Mladic way more than Karadzic, just because of that video he made and his "razvalena usta" :lol:

[nb-legenda]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1663/329xxem2.jpg

Karadzic before and after images... he used the name Dragan Dabic to conceal himself. I have no idea how the Serb police caught this clown, respect to them and respect to the Serbian majority who don't support this clown who's killed more civilians than army soliders.

[el Turco]

Headline of the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet was "Do you recognize this murderer?" and they had a new picture of him. He really did a good job with changing his appearance.

[nb-legenda]

Dude he's like a pro at that, he could've been easily signed by Hollywood if he had that job :lol:

[FR Sloboda]

i am serious now - if i had 2 lives, i would kill Karadzic twice.

[nb-legenda]

^ slowly and painfully, Sloboda, question... do you also have a family member killed in Srebrenica in the hands of this clown?

[FR Sloboda]

no - but my house and home Village near Tuzla was shelled heavily during the War.

I have nothing against Serbs that want to live at peace with Bosniaks and Croats, but nationalist Cetniks that commited crimes against humanity should be punished and never forgiven!

[Saraj Fanático]

When I saw the images of Karadzic on BHT I was shocked at how he disguised himself.

Guys do you know that this Serbian dude who owns this Magazine had Karadzic write articles for him. If any of the Serb fellas here are familiar for a magazine called "Zdrav Zivot" (Thats the name of it I think) well thats the magazine Karadzic worked for. The owner said he had no idea at all that Karadzic was the man he became to know as Dragan Dabic. Guys this is completely crazy. I have to say that if I was the owner I would have not thought of that man ever being Karadzic. Karadzic looks like some martial arts fighter with his rolled up pony tail thing going on in the back.

Respect to the Serbian police though even tho I think the Americans put some technology into discovering his identity and where he was.

[Saraj Fanático]

Oh here we go..

Fugitive Karadzic 'wrote magazine column'

BELGRADE, Serbia (CNN) -- Bosnian Serb war crimes fugitive Radovan Karadzic was so convinced of his disguise he regularly contributed to a health magazine as he brazenly built up his profile as an alternative medical practitioner, The Associated Press reported Tuesday.

As Serbian authorities announced the arrest of Karadzic, 63, on charges of war crimes committed during the brutal Balkans conflict, details of his life during more than a decade on the run were revealed.

Goran Kojic, editor in chief of Serbia's "Healthy Magazine" released new images of the former leader hidden behind an enormous white beard, long hair and spectacles, identifying one of the world's most wanted men as a regular contributor.

"It never even occurred to me that this man with a long white beard and hair was Karadzic," a shocked Kojic said, according to The Associated Press.

Serb authorities said Karadzic -- accused of ordering the deadly siege of Sarajevo and some of the worst atrocities in Europe since World War II including the 1995 massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica -- was working at a medical practice in Belgrade prior to his arrest.

At a news conference in Belgrade on Tuesday, authorities displayed another recent picture of Karadzic that showed him with short white hair, a long white beard and glasses. Before he went on the run, Karadzic was clean-shaven with a mop of salt-and-pepper hair.

Serbian minister Rasim Ljajic told Tuesday's news conference that Karadzic, 63, was using false documents giving him the name of "Dragan Dabic" and a non-Serbian identity at the time of arrest.

"It wasn't expected at all that this would ever happen to Radovan Karadzic -- that he would ever be caught in this way," said Ljajic, president of the National Council for Cooperation with the Hague Tribunal.

A judge now has three days to prepare for his transfer to the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) at the Hague, and Karadzic has the right to appeal that transfer within those three days, Vukcevic added.

The capture of the so-called "Butcher of Bosnia" has been hailed as a landmark for international justice and for Serbia, whose new government has pledged to bring its wanted war criminals to justice as a condition of membership of the European Union.

"We understand that there is an absolute determination by the state to finish this job," prosecutor Vukcevic said.

Karadzic's arrest earlier drew jubilation in the streets of Sarajevo, the Bosnian capital, which Bosnian Serb forces had shelled heavily during the war, and a small protest from ultra Serb nationalists in front of Belgrade's heavily guarded war crimes court.

His lawyer, Sveta Vujacic, said there were concerns over Karadzic's arrest and treatment, accusing authorities of violating the law by blindfolding him and holding him in a room. Watch Karadzic's lawyer slam arrest »

He disputed official statements that Karadzic was captured on Monday, insisting his client was arrested Friday and held for three days before the announcement was made.

Karadzic's brother Luka told reporters that he had seen the former leader in custody.

"Karadzic is in good health. He has lost a lot of weight, he is full of optimism," he said.

While president of the so-called Serbian Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Karadzic's troops were reported to have massacred hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Croats during a campaign of "ethnic cleansing."

Early estimates of the death toll from the 3-year war ranged up to 300,000, but recent research reduced that to about 100,000.

Vladimir Petrovic, the charge d'affairs at the Serbian Embassy in Washington, said the arrest showed his country's commitment to accounting for its past.

"I think this is an example that the Serbian government is committed to all its international obligations and that it will continue cooperation with the International Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia," Petrovic said.

EU foreign affairs chief Javier Solana said: "I think it is very important that Radovan Karadzic will be in front of International Tribunal having a fair trial."

Karadzic's arrest leaves former Gen. Ratko Mladic, the Bosnian Serb military commander, as the top-ranking war crimes suspect still at large.

"While this is an important milestone, the work of the International Tribunal will not be complete until all fugitives have been arrested and tried," a spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said.

"Today, I can tell you that I feel kind of good," said Zlatko Lagumdzija, a former Bosnian prime minister wounded during the siege. He said the arrest could offer "a chance for new thinking" in Bosnia, still grappling with the scars of war.

Karadzic, a one-time psychiatrist and self-styled poet, declared himself president of a Bosnian Serb republic when Bosnia-Herzegovina seceded from Yugoslavia in 1992.

The Bosnian Serbs, backed by the Serb-dominated Yugoslav military and paramilitary forces, quickly seized control of most of the country and laid siege to Sarajevo, the capital.

During the conflict that followed, the Serb forces launched what they called the "ethnic cleansing" of the territories under their control -- the forced displacement and killings of Muslims and Croats.

He was removed from power in 1995, when the Dayton Accords that ended the Bosnian war barred anyone accused of war crimes from holding office.

But he remained "kind of a Robin Hood" to Serbs during more than a decade as a fugitive, said former U.S. diplomat Richard Holbrooke, one of the architects of the Dayton Accords.

[Saraj Fanático]

For those of you feeling thankful of Karadzic's "Distrubution" to the entity built on blood and bones known as Republika Srpska here is a story of how that entity came about. One of many. I ask you, when did Oric, Dudakovic, Delic or any of our Generals during the war order such abuse upon innocent women from all ages? When did Bosnian forces ever declare such a practice as normal and set up detention centers where this took place? These are the works of men like Karadzic who Dupont, Delija, and Boris said he gave something to the Serbian people. Any normal human being would reject this gift of his decorated with struggles such as this woman's..




Jasmina says she was raped repeatedly during the rule of Radovan Karadzic: "Everyday we were raped"

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (CNN) -- The outbreak of war seemed like a joke to Jasmina, then just 19 years old. She dreamed of being an economist and says she played with her toddler son and baby daughter as if they were toys.

But in April 1992, the Serb soldiers took over her city of Bijeljina, in northeast Bosnia near the border with Serbia, and began to kill, torture and terrorize the Muslims there in a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing.

"Whole families were disappearing during the night. Sometimes we could see their bodies in the gardens, sometimes not even that," Jasmina told CNN.

"The men from my family were beaten up the first day. ... My mother just disappeared. I never found out what happened."

Paramilitaries loyal to Arkan, the Serbian ultranationalist later indicted for crimes against humanity, came to the home Jasmina shared with her husband and extended family to search for valuables and weapons. When they found no guns they started beating her husband, said Jasmina who asked CNN not to use her last name to protect her children.

"Then they started torturing me. I lost consciousness. When I woke up I was totally naked and covered in blood and my sister-in-law was also naked and covered in blood. ... I knew I had been raped and my sister-in-law too." In a corner, she saw her mother-in-law, holding her children and crying.

"That same day we were locked in our house. That was the worst, the worst period of my whole life. That's when it started.

"Every day we were raped. Not only in the house -- they would also take us to the front line for the soldiers to torture us. Then again in the house, in front of the children," Jasmina said through a translator, remembering the 10 other women who were brutalized with her.

"I was in such a bad condition that sometimes I couldn't even recognize my own children. Even though I was in a very bad physical condition they had no mercy at all. They raped me every day. They took me to the soldiers and back to that house.

"The only conversation we had was when I was begging them to kill me. That's when they laughed. Their response was 'we don't need you dead.'"

Once at the front line there were women soldiers who tortured her with a bottle and then slashed at her throat and wrist when it broke. Then the troops cut one of her breasts with a bayonet, said Jasmina, now looking older than her 35 years.

"It lasted for a year. Every day. ... Not all the women survived."

Tens of thousands of women were raped in Bosnia and the other parts of the former Yugoslavia between 1992 and 1994 during the rule of Radovan Karadzic, according to estimates by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. See a timeline of Karadzic's rule »

The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, set up to try war crimes suspects, established for the first time that rape was a crime against humanity and that rape was "used by members of the Bosnian Serb armed forces as an instrument of terror."

For Jasmina, some relief came one day in 1993 when a familiar face, an older Serb who had been a friend of her parents, appeared at the house where she was being kept. Jasmina was told he had bought her as a prostitute but, once in a car with him, the man said he was saving her. "I owe this to your parents," he said.

He drove Jasmina and her children to the front lines, gave something to the Serb soldiers there and directed her towards the Bosnian position, saying "Now you are free to go."

"I was very weak, I weighed only 45 kilos [99 pounds]. I carried both my children for more than a kilometer to the Bosnian side."

Jasmina was safe, but scarred. "I felt ashamed, I wanted to die, to disappear somehow. I couldn't take care of my children, others did that, I just didn't have the strength or the will."

A new low came when doctors began to treat her in one of the refugee centers around the city of Tuzla.

"They discovered that I was pregnant, six months pregnant and I didn't know that. It was too late for any abortion, but I kept saying I didn't want that child."

The gynecologist pleaded with Jasmina to have the child and give it up for adoption, saying it was too dangerous to try anything else. But that was no option for Jasmina. "I didn't want to hear about that, about giving birth to that child at all."

Finally, medics said they could try to abort the child but it was a very risky operation that only 1 in 100 women would survive. "I begged them to do it," Jasmina said, pausing to remember an 18-year-old girl who had the same operation on the same day as her and died. Jasmina herself continues to have gynecological health problems stemming from her abuse.

Months later, her husband arrived at the same refugee center after managing to escape a camp in Serbia. A man he broke out with was killed by a mine.

"It was such a difficult moment for me. I wasn't even sure if I wanted him to be dead or alive. I knew that he knew what had happened to me so it was very, very difficult for me," Jasmina said.

"I thought he was going to leave me and take my children because of everything that happened. But he told me he was not going to ask me about anything. And that he also went through terrible things himself so he didn't want to discuss anything." Yet still she says she cannot look her husband in the eye.

Jasmina said she was unable to talk to the therapists in Tuzla and tried to kill herself in 1995 -- the first of three suicide attempts.

"I will never be OK," she said, adding that she believes God kept her alive for a reason.

She now lives in a modestly furnished apartment in a tower block in Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina. She has been there since 2001 with her husband and children.

Her dreams now are for her children. She believes it's critical she give them some stability, but says that's impossible when she doesn't know from day to day if she will be evicted.

She does not own the apartment and all property must be returned to rightful owners under the terms of an annex to the U.S.-brokered peace agreement that ended the war.

The same pact allows for the return of all refugees and displaced people -- more than half of the country's people left their homes during the war according to the International Organization for Migration -- and the re-establishment of the mixed ethnic communities that had lived peacefully for centuries before the war.

The Office of the High Representative for Bosnia-Herzegovina, an international body set up to oversee the implementation of the peace agreements, says almost all property rights have been restored. But it is impossible to say how many people have gone home and how many have sold their houses, leaving cities and towns like Bijeljina "ethnically cleansed" as the warmongers had planned.

A law enacted in September 2006 does include a section that homes should be provided for victims of sexual torture during the war. It is not clear who should implement the act and there is no agency making sure the law is enforced, according to the Ministry for Human Rights and Refugees.

Meanwhile, authorities say Jasmina should return to her mother-in-law's rebuilt house in Bijeljina. But she says she will never go back to the place where she lost 39 members of her family and where her abuse began.

It is a fear shared by other women, according to Alisa Muratcaus, the president of the Association of Concentration Camp Survivors -- Canton Sarajevo -- a group that offers classes and other support to Jasmina and 1,200 other women around the capital, including 150 victims of mass rape.

"Many of our members must deal with the realities of return. Not all members are able psychologically to return to regions in which they suffered such extreme human rights abuses," she told CNN.

"No one raped women has returned to their pre-war houses, since it is immoral and inhuman to request their return while the war criminals who tortured them are still free and live in these regions."

The Sarajevo municipality that owns Jasmina's apartment says it does not plan to evict her and that any such directive would come from the Ministry for Human Rights and Refugees.

Saliha Djuderija, head of the Ministry's Department of Human Rights, said she was aware of victims who could not face returning to the places where they were tortured and was working on a solution. In the last couple of years, between 15 and 20 women have been given somewhere to live, but lack of funding is restricting the help that can be given. Priority was given to women who testified against their attackers and Jasmina is not in that group as her case is still unsolved.



But if her future is in doubt, Jasmina's mind is made up. "I'm not going to take my children to Bijeljina. I told my children when I die, don't take my bones to Bijeljina. I don't want to hear about Bijeljina. It doesn't exist for me," she said, flashing anger for the first time in a lengthy interview.

Then she shows a picture of her daughter, a beautiful young woman, but even that causes Jasmina pain as she remembers how the soldiers picked her out. "I was beautiful once. It cost me my life."

[boris4c]

I completely agree with Saraj that RS is closer to exctinction especially since they captured Karadzic because it will be easy to convict him of his crimes most likely, hence they will say he's the creator of the RS, which is based on his crimes, hence it doesn't have the right to exist.

Nonetheless, I know his won't be done easily. If the RS is cut off, another war is to be expected and that's the worst thing that could happen. If I was Bosniak, I'd rather live with a RS than go through another war which will set me back another 30 years back.

Dragan Dabic :) lol

[Cro_Sensation]

Crazy how he looked when they found him.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2779/altundneukopfgrrn2wk1.jpg

Changed his name to Dragan David Dabic, and was working as a Doctor's assistant or something. Not even his boss knew it was him. Crazy stuff.

...

As for this picture, I just had to post it. It's Mladic. looool.. Out of context I know, but I stumbled upon it and the caption cracked me up. lol

http://maryvogt.com/blogphotos/mladic.jpg

Ratiana looooooool.

[Pape]

In some ways he sure was one hell of a brain to pull it all off.

[Saraj Fanático]

I completely agree with Saraj that RS is closer to exctinction especially since they captured Karadzic because it will be easy to convict him of his crimes most likely, hence they will say he's the creator of the RS, which is based on his crimes, hence it doesn't have the right to exist.

Nonetheless, I know his won't be done easily. If the RS is cut off, another war is to be expected and that's the worst thing that could happen. If I was Bosniak, I'd rather live with a RS than go through another war which will set me back another 30 years back.

Dragan Dabic :) lol

If the Cetniks willing to protect his entity built on mass graves are ready for a second conflict, we will respond. Our Armed Forces are functioning greatly as Charles English (US Ambassador) congratulated our General Sifet Podzic on making excellent progress in military affairs of the country. We will simply resume Operation Sana and send cetniks packing. They have nothing to defend themselves with especially now as their weaponry belongs to the Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina since 2006. Serbia will not risk getting involved since it will be a US, European sponsored invasion (If it comes down to that). Brcko is already in Western hands and by declaring it a part of the Federation Western Geno-State is cut off from supplies completely and Banja Luka can surrender itself. You have to be insane to think this next war (if it happens) will be fought in our backyards again! Nonetheless, I think the Karadzic arrest and trail will play a huge part in the destruction of the 2nd Entity. Lets hear Radovan sing while Milorad Dodik sweats.

I think its in the best interest of all peaceful Muslims, Serbs and Croats living in BiH for the nation to be united fully and for all of her citizens to live under 1 government with equal rights. Once this happens, tensions between Serbs and Bosniaks will start to sink. Nobody will owe anyone anything anymore. We have a state, the Croats do too, and so will the Serbs, lets move on. The Geno-State is the number one element causing this madness in Bosnia and Herzegovina today.

[Saraj Fanático]

Crazy how he looked when they found him.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2779/altundneukopfgrrn2wk1.jpg

Changed his name to Dragan David Dabic, and was working as a Doctor's assistant or something. Not even his boss knew it was him. Crazy stuff.

...

As for this picture, I just had to post it. It's Mladic. looool.. Out of context I know, but I stumbled upon it and the caption cracked me up. lol

http://maryvogt.com/blogphotos/mladic.jpg

Ratiana looooooool.

Karadzic completely shocked me with his old man/Kung Fu style disguise. But Ratko shocked me even more after finding out he chose that way to go.

[Saraj Fanático]

:lol: Guys look at this tape of a conference Karadzic attended in January this year. Its Karadzic sitting right in front of everyone! :lol: Cannot help but laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7519039.stm

[The Joker]

May I just say I apologise to anyone who was offended by my comments. I still stand by my statement that in war the strong survive and the weak persish as it is a known fact...Especially to Saraj I would offer this apology.
I have my views and whether they are right or wrong i stand by them, but still my intention was not to offend. Nermin's rantings about me couldn't be further from the truth...If folk choose to believe him then so be it.

[Bosnian Unit]

Radovan Karadzic's bad hair day


Ah Radovan, heading for the Hague at last.
By Hugh Griffiths

Many of us never thought we would see this day come, that the unholy trinity of the secret police, the criminals and the priests who protected you would ensure an enduring freedom until your dying day.But luckily for us, even pessimists are wrong, at least some of the time. And so finally it looks like you may be going to face some of your victims in nice room with blue chairs and cameras in a northern European city by the sea.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2779/altundneukopfgrrn2wk1.jpg
Having spent some time a few years back investigating your absence from the Hague, your presence or lack thereof became a bit of an obsession with me. I knew your house, your old office, the roads you used to drive, your old bodyguards, your partners-in-crime, assorted rapists and murderers who tried to cut a deal and turn you in, the incompetence of the internationals who said they were trying to catch you, your unattractive wife and daughter ("in hiding" from your womenfolk certainly had its benefits!).

Joking aside, I also got to see your victims and listen to their stories. Again. Six years after the time before and two years after the time before that. Many times. And while the ruined buildings and dark valleys of Srebrenica, Visegrad and a hundred other Bosnian towns and villages remain testament to your banal cowardice and greed, it was the victims' dignity that made your continuing liberty so upsetting.
That you were arrested is surprising, that you were in Belgrade is not. We knew of your presence there as late as 2004, but the government of now retired Balkan cat lover, V.Kostunica was not so keen on expediting your arrest back then.

Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that one of Kostunica's best mates and co-authors was one of your most vocal supporters. Who knows, perhaps Rade Bulatovic and Voja were just too busy getting high on cat pee to notice you moving round Belgrade in assorted Peugeots and SUVs.

It's not only pseudo-intellectual legalists with severe cases of erectile dysfunction who supported you over the years. Pretty much all the scum I ever came across in the Balkans had done some kind of bizness with your scumbags. It was sans frontieres, baby, no ethnic divides there.US private security companies, British UN monitors, greek demining organisations, orthodox priests (lots of them) Greek orthodox priests (lots of them), Russian poets, French generals, Japanese diplomats, they all shook your hand and shared out slivo and coin with either you or your goons.I could be charitable and say that you may have started out like many of us, Radovan, a bit top-heavy on the ambition, bouffant hair-dos and shape-shifting, but otherwise you might have had the same dreams as any one of more than 150000 first generation city dwellers escaping rural poverty back in 1960s Yugoslavia.
Except there were a couple of things that made you different from the beginning. Your father was a convicted rapist and murderer for one, while the village from which you hailed was known for the kind of rabid political ideas still popular with many Serbian Radical Party supporters to this day. (Radical and DSS supporters, this was a bad hair day for y'all btw)

But back to Greater Serbia and Bosnia, or Radovan and Sarajevo as it was back then. The city treated you pretty well, with its easy inclusiveness and if you'd stuck to informing for the secret police, bribery, chickanery and theft with fellow partner-in-crime M.Krajisnik, then who knows? Perhaps there'd just be a nice chicken farm in Pale, rather than all those new blood-money buildings and mean, suspicious faces.
So I am thinking of Sarajevo when I write this, Radovan, and of Bosnians scattered all over the world thanks in part to you n' Ratko M. I am thinking of how they will be pleasantly surprised tonight.

I am also thinking of a brave group of women who live with the experience of being repeatedly raped and abused by all your 'heroes", who struggle on the pittance paid out by a struggling state on the fringes of Sarajevo and how they will feel tonight.

But I am also thinking of my friends in Belgrade, and how finally, it may be possible that they just might have got a government which will give them a shot of EUland with the rest of us by arresting some more outstanding scumbags now that Mr. Cat Pee has left the stage.

Ratko should be next and while I'm not holding my breath, Radovan, today was a bad hair day for you and a rather better one for Sarajevo.

[nb-legenda]

Ratko Mladic gets another treatment guys, don't worry. His treatment is hiding and being afraid every minute of his life thinking he might get captured and revealed to the public and spat on. His life is a total shithole. But here's another article about Karadzic:

Angry Serb nationalists protest Karadzic arrest

Serb nationalists skirmished with riot police in the capital Tuesday, lashing out against the new Western-leaning government that captured war crimes suspect Radovan Karadzic. Karadzic's lawyer vowed to appeal Serbia's plan to extradite the former Bosnian Serb chief to a U.N. war crimes court.

Riot police deployed in downtown Belgrade to keep about 200 members of the extremist Obraz group under control. The demonstrators threw stones and clay pots at the officers, chanting "treason!" and trying to break through police cordons.

Five demonstrators and a policeman were injured, doctors at Belgrade emergency clinic said.


"This is a hard day for Serbia," said Tomislav Nikolic, leader of the ultranationalist Serbian Radical Party, adding that Karadzic was "a legend of the Serbian people."

Nikolic vowed his party will do "all in its power" to topple the pro-Western government.

In the village of Petnjica, where Karadzic was born, a relative of the wartime Bosnian Serb leader, Vukosav Karadzic, said he was "sorry he did not kill himself but allowed himself to be captured."

Serb officials say they arrested Karadzic Monday evening near Belgrade after more than a decade on the run. The war crime suspect had grown a long white beard to conceal his identity and had lived freely in the capital before being arrested.

"His false identity was very convincing," said Vladimir Vukcevic, Serbia's war crimes prosecutor who coordinated the security forces arrest. "He had moved freely in public places."

Karadzic is sought on 11 charges of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity for his actions during Bosnia's 1992-1995 war. The psychiatrist-turned-Serbian-nationalist is accused of masterminding the deadly wartime siege of Sarajevo and the 1995 executions of some 8,000 Muslim boys and men in Srebrenica.

While on the run in Serbia, the world's top war crimes fugitive worked at a private alternative medicine clinic and wrote for a Belgrade magazine, according to Serbian officials. Karadzic also lectured about meditation at a May festival in Belgrade.
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:lol::lol::lol:

[DelijaZauvjek]

In some ways he sure was one hell of a brain to pull it all off.

There is no doubt that these guys were extremely intelligent and very tactical men. They led our armies very sufficiently and knew what they were doing. Some of the best in Serbia besides Arkan and his tigerovi ;)...

Arkan said that he used to study Napoleon, Alexander The Great, and many other great tacticians.

[DelijaZauvjek]

I completely agree with Saraj that RS is closer to exctinction especially since they captured Karadzic because it will be easy to convict him of his crimes most likely, hence they will say he's the creator of the RS, which is based on his crimes, hence it doesn't have the right to exist.

Nonetheless, I know his won't be done easily. If the RS is cut off, another war is to be expected and that's the worst thing that could happen. If I was Bosniak, I'd rather live with a RS than go through another war which will set me back another 30 years back.

Dragan Dabic :) lol

:Peace: :lol:

[DelijaZauvjek]

When I saw the images of Karadzic on BHT I was shocked at how he disguised himself.

Guys do you know that this Serbian dude who owns this Magazine had Karadzic write articles for him. If any of the Serb fellas here are familiar for a magazine called "Zdrav Zivot" (Thats the name of it I think) well thats the magazine Karadzic worked for. The owner said he had no idea at all that Karadzic was the man he became to know as Dragan Dabic. Guys this is completely crazy. I have to say that if I was the owner I would have not thought of that man ever being Karadzic. Karadzic looks like some martial arts fighter with his rolled up pony tail thing going on in the back.

Respect to the Serbian police though even tho I think the Americans put some technology into discovering his identity and where he was.

As Boris says, "Are you really that stupid or do your feet just smell"

haha.
You're a complete joke.
We wouldn't let some Americans help us. We knew all along where he was. We in fact protected him. It's just that Boris Tadic is an idiot and is going to ruing Serbia by doing everything the west tells him to do.

Tadic= American spy. His uncle was a huge Ustasa and he was born in Sarajevo. Hmmm plus he appologized to the Croats for us killing all their "innocent" people in Yugoslav war but what about all the millions they killed during the two world wars in churches and what not.
Give me a break.

[DelijaZauvjek]

Heh, that entities destruction is getting closer by the day. USA will destroy it for its will for cooperation with Russia and those the US challenges politically. Your "RS" was saved by the US to convince Milosevic of feeling he won something from BiH's conflict and thus he believed he can win something by attacking Kosovo. After attacking Kosovo, the US had all the reason to cripple Serbia. RS served as a factor which led to Serbia's invasion of Kosovo and its collapse. Nothing can save Dodik from the destiny coming. The genocide Mini-State will be cut off. Do you think the US forgot what the Serbs did to their embassy in Belgrade? Or the attempt to burn Banja Luka's US embassy building? :lol: They don't ever forget. They didn't forget Pearl Harbor (Hiroshima and Nagasaki response), they didn't forget the Soviet Union's help to the Vietcong (US arms Mujahideen to spank Russians in Afghanistan), they didn't forget US hostage crisis in Iran (Arming Saddam with Chemical weapons to use on Iran).....USA will not forget about the Genocide states allience to the Russian regime or the burning of Western Embassies. Why do you think Lajcak is complaining about the economic situation in the whole of BiH and US ambassadors saying that the next 10 years will be the most important for BiH. Slowly but surely things are coming into place. Who knows, after this Karadzic capture, he might share a thing or two which may spark the beginning of the end of that entity.

USA is playing a clever political game with the Balkans and they know what they are planning.

I doubt it.
Russia is way too strong for America to try to start another war in Balkans(which would happen if RS was destructed)
Plus, the world wouldn't agree as America is already involved in too much shit... as in Iraq and Iran and Afganistan plus trying to build nuclear missles near Russia. There is only so much the world will take. Plus, economy in America is horrible at the moment. They can't support any more troops anywhere else. They are going to have to bring back the troops in Iraq and Iran as soon as Obama or whoever becomes president.
So, don't think that's going to happen.
It would be best for Bosnia if RS just got it's own country and seperated from Bosnia. Because it's just bringing you guys back another 30 years as Boris stated.

[Saraj Fanático]

May I just say I apologise to anyone who was offended by my comments. I still stand by my statement that in war the strong survive and the weak persish as it is a known fact...Especially to Saraj I would offer this apology.
I have my views and whether they are right or wrong i stand by them, but still my intention was not to offend. Nermin's rantings about me couldn't be further from the truth...If folk choose to believe him then so be it.

Not to offend? Dude I can accept opinions but fake claims which didn't happen and saying civilians had genocide coming is ridiculous. And if your not meant to offend I am confused why you have changed your location to "Serbia" all of the sudden? I mean its nothing offensive but its an effort to piss off some people I sense. You somehow turned into some Serb Nationalist over night. When you don't know an issue its best to stay out of it and make claims which will just be erased with fact. I do accept your opinion, why do I care about it? Everyone has their views but you need to step on ground and realize your going to a thread which has the most sensitive issue for Bosnian Muslims and your calling Karadzic a hero? Have some sense and think about how that is taken by those who have or know people who have lost someone in the conflict or in that massacre. You won't see me saying Naser Oric is a hero or go into a 9/11 or 7/7 thread and say Osama Bin Laden is a hero. You along with Boris went into a thread dedicated to the victims of that event and turned it into a flame war by making your off-topic claims and statements. There wasn't a single damn mention of the issues you guys (Especially Boris) decided to drag into the thread. Off course I will always respond with fact and logic so don't please think you can walk out without a debate.

To summarize this up I do not accept your apology but I do think we can move on.

[Saraj Fanático]

There is no doubt that these guys were extremely intelligent and very tactical men. They led our armies very sufficiently and knew what they were doing. Some of the best in Serbia besides Arkan and his tigerovi ;)...

Arkan said that he used to study Napoleon, Alexander The Great, and many other great tacticians.

Arkan? The guy who didn't finish his breakfast since he had to flee from the battlefield after 5th Corps was knocking at Sanski Most's door? :lol: They knew how to run, not how to lead "armies".

[Saraj Fanático]

As Boris says, "Are you really that stupid or do your feet just smell"

haha.
You're a complete joke.
We wouldn't let some Americans help us. We knew all along where he was. We in fact protected him. It's just that Boris Tadic is an idiot and is going to ruing Serbia by doing everything the west tells him to do.

Actually I agree that the Serbs knew where he was all along. Serbia wouldn't accept America's help? If Serbia is willing to head into the EU (WHich the US does in fact have massive control over and is pro-AmericaN) then I think its very logical to say that they would. Stop your ridiculous nationalist efforts and observe what is going on for once.

Tadic= American spy. His uncle was a huge Ustasa and he was born in Sarajevo. Hmmm plus he appologized to the Croats for us killing all their "innocent" people in Yugoslav war but what about all the millions they killed during the two world wars in churches and what not.
Give me a break.

Well I do not see what's wrong by apologizing to the Croats which the Serbs do have responsibility of killing. Delija you are looking things from some childish nationalist side which will not benefit anyone. You expect modern day Croat leaders and Serb leaders to stay mad at one another over their historic struggles. Tadic is a smart man who woke up and said "Okay its time to move on" and he did an excellent move for making this happen. Serbia is going to most likely head into EU with so many new opportunities available. What does Serbia get for keeping Karadzic hidden? All they get is Milorad Dodik not to worry for the sake of his Geno-State. Otherwise the nation is not moving anywhere. Welcome to the World Delija, where your Pro-Western or trashed. This Karadzic arrest is one step closer to Serbia to finish off her dues because of the conflict and one step forward in healing the Balkan's wounds. I am not even going to bother on the "Spy" comments.

[Saraj Fanático]

I doubt it.
Russia is way too strong for America to try to start another war in Balkans(which would happen if RS was destructed)
Plus, the world wouldn't agree as America is already involved in too much shit... as in Iraq and Iran and Afganistan plus trying to build nuclear missles near Russia. There is only so much the world will take. Plus, economy in America is horrible at the moment. They can't support any more troops anywhere else. They are going to have to bring back the troops in Iraq and Iran as soon as Obama or whoever becomes president.
So, don't think that's going to happen.
It would be best for Bosnia if RS just got it's own country and seperated from Bosnia. Because it's just bringing you guys back another 30 years as Boris stated.


:lol: America won't fight this war. The Europeans did an excellent job in Arming our own Military and it would be that Military which would carry out the take over. Delija, Europe has control over Brcko which is the main element keeping the Geno State connected with Serbia. Europe will simply declare it as a part of the Federation and bye bye Western Geno State from Serbia! And what is in Western Geno State? Banja Luka! And what is Banja Luka? The Capital of that entity! And Banja Luka has no support coming in from Serbia or "Russia". This war will be a painless 2 weeks if it does happen. The Geno State has no military nor any support. NATO and ArBiH will most likely have cooperations in finishing the Geno State off. I really doubt there will be a war, it will be an event with lots of people fleeing whose dreams of Greater Serbia have diminished, protesting, and fighting with policemen. Europe already has the Geno State by the throat as I just told you, if war is to happen.

Russia will not go into conflict over this. They follow Serbia's hopes and Serbia will not be involved also as the Serbs have finally realized that the nation needs a new age of advancement. You should see how the Bosnian Serbs on BHT crying over how could "Mother Serbia" betray their most loving Bosnian Serb!? I wonder if they will swear in Serbia's name anymore? :lol: This Geno State is not going anywhere, it is in BiH to slowly collapse. And we got the Serbian neighbors to thank for this. They took Karadzic who is the key for this to happen. Russia has already stated that they look forward to Karadzic's fair trail and they won't have a problem with Europe's fair decisions. Russia and Serbia have moved on, there is no more Slobodan Milosevic's or Boris Yeltsin's. Dodik is the only poor heartbroken moron still thinking its the time of the past. Nobody cares about Karadzic's legacy or plans, these nations have woken up since then. Welcome to 2008.

Back 30 years, Delija my son, this is not the time when Bosnians had no weapons and the Cetniks were free to operate all over the country. This again is 2008 where Bosnians have the upper hand with a westernized military and a US backed General. The Cetniks remember their losses in 94 and 95 in Bihac, Sanski Most, Igman, etc.. now imagine fighting a military trained and armed from the Start...not the ending of the conflict. Their new "domovina" will be in the sea.

[Pape]

why do you argue with somebody thats never been to Bosnia?

[nb-legenda]

DZ, you honestly don't know the whole situation, your opinions on Boris Tadic just explains it. (I'm not saying this to further heaten things up, I'm just being realistic here)

and SarajFanatico, you said everything every Bosnian wanted to say to DelijaZauvjek, you're the most educated guy here in this thread

[Saraj Fanático]

I am helping people step on the ground and come to their sense hopefully. Serbia and Russia are moving forward. Slobodan Milosevic's regime is over and people in Serbia know that all these idea's of the past won't pass in today's world and the war is over. I fear for Delija's reaction after he finds out in maybe a much worser way.

Boris Tadic is helping end this on going political war in the region. His Serbia looks richer then any Nationalist will live to make it.

[The Joker]

Not to offend? Dude I can accept opinions but fake claims which didn't happen and saying civilians had genocide coming is ridiculous. And if your not meant to offend I am confused why you have changed your location to "Serbia" all of the sudden? I mean its nothing offensive but its an effort to piss off some people I sense. You somehow turned into some Serb Nationalist over night. When you don't know an issue its best to stay out of it and make claims which will just be erased with fact. I do accept your opinion, why do I care about it? Everyone has their views but you need to step on ground and realize your going to a thread which has the most sensitive issue for Bosnian Muslims and your calling Karadzic a hero? Have some sense and think about how that is taken by those who have or know people who have lost someone in the conflict or in that massacre. You won't see me saying Naser Oric is a hero or go into a 9/11 or 7/7 thread and say Osama Bin Laden is a hero. You along with Boris went into a thread dedicated to the victims of that event and turned it into a flame war by making your off-topic claims and statements. There wasn't a single damn mention of the issues you guys (Especially Boris) decided to drag into the thread. Off course I will always respond with fact and logic so don't please think you can walk out without a debate.

To summarize this up I do not accept your apology but I do think we can move on.


I am not worried that you won't be accepting my apology. That just makes me a better man than you. Also, I have highlighted something...Show me where I said this?

[Saraj Fanático]

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=1014647&postcount=14

"What goes around comes around" in other words they had it coming.

I am not accepting your apology since it seems to me you still haven't realized what you have stated and what you did wrong.

[The Joker]

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=1014647&postcount=14

"What goes around comes around" in other words they had it coming.

I am not accepting your apology since it seems to me you still haven't realized what you have stated and what you did wrong.



HMMmmmm it seems i was misunderstood. What i meant by that was that bosnians committed crimes too, not that they deserved anything or had it coming...There was bad on both sides.


I apolgised and that is all i can do. I certainly won't lose any sleep over you not accepting it.

[DelijaZauvjek]

Arkan? The guy who didn't finish his breakfast since he had to flee from the battlefield after 5th Corps was knocking at Sanski Most's door? :lol: They knew how to run, not how to lead "armies".

Somehow I have a feeling that you're still upset about these "War Heros"
killing your relatives or something. Get over it. The war is over dumbass =D
Stop living in the past. You guys got owned. Hundreds of thousands of casualties. Serbia had a couple thousand haha. So, enjoy what the west gave you and shut up. Be thankful that America helped you guys because Serbia ran all over Bosnia in less than a week and Croatia was helpless as well.
But you Bosnians are funny because before the war you guys said..."Ooh kakva Srbija..We will kick your guys' ass" Once war started and Serbia started owning you guys...You said "AMERIKA POMOZI POMOZI UBIJAJU NAS!

I ***king hate war. I hate talking about this so stfu. I'm just stating the facts because you here are calling us War Criminals but at the same time pussies and ran away because you guys "were to strong for Serbia"
hahahahahahh

[DelijaZauvjek]

HMMmmmm it seems i was misunderstood. What i meant by that was that bosnians committed crimes too, not that they deserved anything or had it coming...There was bad on both sides.


I apolgised and that is all i can do. I certainly won't lose any sleep over you not accepting it.

Serbia is proud of you Dupont! =D

Have some :Popcorn: =D

[DelijaZauvjek]

Saraj..Answer one thing for me please.
Do you honestly believe Bosnian Army is stronger than Serbian as of 2008? Without any help from any other country..

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[Pape]

DZ, you honestly don't know the whole situation, your opinions on Boris Tadic just explains it. (I'm not saying this to further heaten things up, I'm just being realistic here)

and SarajFanatico, you said everything every Bosnian wanted to say to DelijaZauvjek, you're the most educated guy here in this thread

:rolleyes: Whatever I tell him goes as much for you as it does for him. Vice versa. Dumb little ****.

I am helping people step on the ground and come to their sense hopefully. Serbia and Russia are moving forward. Slobodan Milosevic's regime is over and people in Serbia know that all these idea's of the past won't pass in today's world and the war is over. I fear for Delija's reaction after he finds out in maybe a much worser way.

Boris Tadic is helping end this on going political war in the region. His Serbia looks richer then any Nationalist will live to make it.

I've read on the Serbian websites from the regular people and 90% that are writing seem to be happy that Karadzic has been caught and are saying one to go. People in Serbia have always been the most critical of war criminals and its the regular people of Serbia that ousted Milosevic out of power if we remember.

But the problem is when the world is overly anti-Serb and every Serb is convicted in the Hague, while every major criminal from the nations the west supported against Serbia has been released and made into a saint. We all know about this double standard and its probably the biggest reason why those people that don't want Karadzic and Mladic caught when there is injustice being served against us.

I think if we at in good faith though, god will bring the best to us and will punish the greedy and the unjust. You guys should know this being Muslim, the Islam vs the West is a sense the same as the Serbs vs the West.

[Saraj Fanático]

Somehow I have a feeling that you're still upset about these "War Heros"
killing your relatives or something. Get over it. The war is over dumbass =D
Stop living in the past. You guys got owned. Hundreds of thousands of casualties. Serbia had a couple thousand haha. So, enjoy what the west gave you and shut up. Be thankful that America helped you guys because Serbia ran all over Bosnia in less than a week and Croatia was helpless as well.
But you Bosnians are funny because before the war you guys said..."Ooh kakva Srbija..We will kick your guys' ass" Once war started and Serbia started owning you guys...You said "AMERIKA POMOZI POMOZI UBIJAJU NAS!

Operation Sana.. featuring Arkan's escape from the battlefield. Enjoy watching your heroes get thought a thing or two about war. If you don't believe me when I say Arkan is a woman then see this. Otherwise shut it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylgqteRYKB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoEfOualZz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t-7DCB37x8

Hundreds of thousands civilians killed and you celebrate it. Shows how pathetic your cult really is. This post has proved your a child who dreams of being some nationalist cetniks because his daddy teaches him that. Go to sleep and stop shitting all over this thread with your ridiculous posts.

Wtf are you talking about "Oh Serbia we will kick your ass"??? Alija said we want independence and you took up arms against UNARMED CIVILIANS. That however changed after we got some help from our allies from the Middle East (Most notably Iran) and Cetniks started to feel what true war is.

Don't believe me? Here is a video made and shot by Serb soldiers who are fleeing the 5th Corps and state "Maybe we would fight if we had the same mentality as them (Bosnians)".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQP5VF6oqk0

Face it, your heroes all failed and had no idea about war. I just brutally owned you not with writing (Since you won't shut your mouth and I had to actually show you in a new way) but with video. Video's made by your very own heroes. Do not argue shit you don't know a thing about, your making yourslef look more pathetic with every post.




I ***king hate war. I hate talking about this so stfu. I'm just stating the facts because you here are calling us War Criminals but at the same time pussies and ran away because you guys "were to strong for Serbia"
hahahahahahh

:lol: Your facts? If your facts were Serbia true would now conquer half of the European map. :lol: If your facts were true the Bosnian Muslims would not exist today. Delija, sine, tell me why do Bosnian Muslims exist today? USA!!?? Is that the reason?...

Fact - The United States was not involved in the conflict for 3 YEARS...Europe didn't protect us in that time as Srebrenica showed to the world. So who did?

Rasim Delic
Atif Dudakovic
Sefer Halilovic
Jovan Divjak (A man who showed what a true Bosnian Serb should be)
Stjepan Šiber
Mehmed Alagic
Blaz Kraljevic
and our president.

Notice how I didn't include Naser Oric out of respect for Serbs. I unlike you have sense towards their struggles with his operations.

Delija I think if your smart you would pull out of this because I have no idea how a 10 year old child can defend himself with the facts and VIDEOS I just posted for you. Everything I have stated is FACT. Your army and heroes fought civilians and ran when you fought armed armies, FACT. Your propaganda has failed, FACT. USA has not gotten involved until 1995...not 92 you ignorant child, FACT. Europe did not give a damn for Muslim lives also as Srebrenica displayed, FACT. The Sarajevo siege was the longest siege in the history of modern warfare (FACT), why did it take 3 years to defeat unarmed civilians, didn't you "own" us? :lol:

Delija you cannot possibly defend yourslef in this arguement. Your insults and stupidity of claims of "We owned you! We killed more people then you did!? (Offcourse because cetniks are specialists in killing large amounts of civilians, not soldiers)" cannot convince anyone. I don't expect you to read this or to respond, but I will use this ownage to show to other people of what trying to be a nationalist and debater can mean when you clearly arent and when you have no idea about the Bosnian Conflict or any history. You cannot challenge me in this because I live through a period of time with the war going on and I have met, known and talked to people who fought in Sarajevo, Igman, Gorazde, and participated in the Bosnian Kraijna operation. You on the other hand have your daddy why tells you history he hasn't lived and doesn't understand. Its like me trying to teach a Serb his own history of Serbia. Doesn't make sense does it?

I didn't expect anything of a less embarrassing defense coming from a 10 year old going through puberty living half a world away from the region the war took place in. And he has the nerve to play some hero and tell me what happened. Delija how is Toronto? Heard its suppose to rain there this week? Oh and be careful of how you talk about the US, you know, the CIA can very well operate in Canada also. We don't want to see you make a thread of how a group of officers came to knock on your door. :sad:

:lol: :lol:

[DelijaZauvjek]

I read the first sentence of your post and realized it's just not worth me reading this propaganda shit..hehe

Congrats on wasting 30 mins of your life on something that nobody is going to read except for yourself. :lol:

Karadzic= Hero
Mladic= Hero
Arkan= Hero

:D

Also, I believe those videos have something to do with killing and one of the global mods should delete that post because it's most likely provoking. I'll let them watch it and choose.

[Saraj Fanático]

:rolleyes: Whatever I tell him goes as much for you as it does for him. Vice versa. Dumb little ****.



I've read on the Serbian websites from the regular people and 90% that are writing seem to be happy that Karadzic has been caught and are saying one to go. People in Serbia have always been the most critical of war criminals and its the regular people of Serbia that ousted Milosevic out of power if we remember.

But the problem is when the world is overly anti-Serb and every Serb is convicted in the Hague, while every major criminal from the nations the west supported against Serbia has been released and made into a saint. We all know about this double standard and its probably the biggest reason why those people that don't want Karadzic and Mladic caught when there is injustice being served against us.

I think if we at in good faith though, god will bring the best to us and will punish the greedy and the unjust. You guys should know this being Muslim, the Islam vs the West is a sense the same as the Serbs vs the West.

I understand where your coming from believe me. I think that the Serbs do have a reason for being upset and god knows many of our war criminals are still at large. But at the same time the second entity in BiH has not handed over a single of their war criminals over. We have however handed over Oric and he was declared innocent. I don't know how the judges came to their decision but they did it twice. We also have handed over Hazim Delic who was accused of sexual assault and murder, and he was sentenced I believe to 18 years. I feel very proud of this occurring though because it shows that all sides are ready to cooperate with the Hagues request.. I don't know what Serbs want more from us Bosnians. I do know what they want from the West, but I don't know what more Bosnians can do for those Serbs. I mean we have recently sent a large number of Arabs home and took their Bosnian Passports for their involvement in War crimes. I think we have shown a lot with this to satisfy the wishes of Serbs. Still, I don't understand why Serbs feel such anger towards the way Bosnians handled these situations. There is not much more we can do. The west on the other hand is completely another story. Some more of the Bosnian Military leaders and soldiers who were captured and sent to the hague and their sentences are Enver Hadzihasanovic (3 Years and 6 months), Esad Landžo (15 years), Amir Kubura (2 years), Zejnil Delalic (Awaiting Sentence), and some other lower ranked officers.



What I would like to see is the 2nd entity be cut and united. For the government to recognize Serb and Croat rights as it had promise and for both Serbia and BiH to move on in a brighter road. Only then will the war finally end and the healing process will begin. Once again, nobody will owe anyone anything anymore politically.

[Saraj Fanático]

@ Delija: My video has casualties of war, no different from the pics Boris posted in the Srebrenice thread which you applauded. You cannot defend the post so its good to see you wave a white flag. Moving on.

[el Turco]

Saraj Fanático, you are one of the most educated posters in this forum. :)

[DelijaZauvjek]

Correction:

Boris is the smartest poster on this lame site.
It's a fact sorry to portrude the truth.

[DelijaZauvjek]

You guys know what's funny.
90% of the mods and global mods here are Muslims.
I'm talking about current posters.
What a joke.

[nb-legenda]

[QUOTE=Pape;1017379]


I've read on the Serbian websites from the regular people and 90% that are writing seem to be happy that Karadzic has been caught and are saying one to go. People in Serbia have always been the most critical of war criminals and its the regular people of Serbia that ousted Milosevic out of power if we remember.
QUOTE]

God bless the ones that did what was right and not listened to the animals like Karadzic... but... I disagree... why was it when Partizan 1-3 Lyon, the fans were chanting Radovan Karadzic's name and calling Pjanic all sorts of names?

[nb-legenda]

You guys know what's funny.
90% of the mods and global mods here are Muslims.
I'm talking about current posters.
What a joke.

why is that a joke? what's wrong with Muslims? if this was 90% Christian I wouldn't have a problem with that.

you don't want to admit, but you're racist, nationalist, etc. your lil' daddy instillied you with all the hate, I don't blame you, I blame your parents, but also you for being a gullible Cetnik

[Sarajbahçe]

lmao..
all Pjanic had to do was just show his number on the back of his jersey after he assisted Benzema with a goal! :)

[nb-legenda]

el turco, I agree, Saraj is the smartest person in this thread, he knows the war inside out, he knows it more than his own self, and he totally read DZ like a book.

wow, hate to talk about war, but you are one out of the other 0.000000000001 % that brags about casualties, you're a disgrace to the Serbian narod

[nb-legenda]

lmao..
all Pjanic had to do was just show his number on the back of his jersey after he assisted Benzema with a goal! :)

DZ said he didnt touch the ball... when he was rated one of the best players that game, he "shh-ed" the racist crowd who chanted Karadzic's name, those barbaric animals, I don't see why DZ is proud of that, he should hang himself if he instills hate and death on his own half self (Bosnian half :lol:)

go hide in that corner, hide under your country's shadows, I bet you can't do 2 miles in 11:46 minutes, you would be extinguished by the first lap, cetnik

[nb-legenda]

Pics of dirty nationalists:

http://photos16.flickr.com/22185301_ed67849de1_m.jpg

here's a photo of a Karadzic supporter with razvalena usta and who smirked when thousands were killed because of Karadzic:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05yO4fB9fe05D/610x.jpg

Serbian nationalist propaganda at it again:

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/12/01/Karadzic372x192.jpg

There might be hope with Boris Tadic, to eliminate the nationalism and racism in Serbia, which is probably the most extreme from any other country in the world

[DelijaZauvjek]

Hahaha...You call these people nationalists??
These are seljaci.

All in all, my opinion about Karadzic stands that he was a smart tactical man.
But he, Izeetbegovic, and Tudjman along with Mladic should all be jailed or dead. Most of them are lol.. So mission accomplished.

90% of Serbia are against Karadzic and you're an idiot Nermin.
The only 10 percent that are with him are Seljaci, Cigani, and idiots. Just like everyone that was with Tudjman and Izetbegovic. These are all killers. All had armies that raped, killed, and did many other horrible things to women and children. Nobody is excused from war. The west got what they achieved. 6 independent puppet states.
Nermin, you really don't know anything..

Half of the things I say is a lie because I want to fuvk with Saraj's mind for spreading propaganda on these forums. That idiot believes everything those Seljaci he lives with tell him. He's truely pathetic. Everyone committed genocide. Serbia committed the most because they had the strongiest army. It's kind of logical.
America and vietnam
Russia and Ukraine
America and Iraq
Japan and China
Germany and Jews and Eastern Europeaners
and so on.
Every big war has had genocide in it before. It's just logical. people fight for their death. It makes you crazy you loose sense. I'm sure half of the Americans that did all that crazy shit weren't bad before they came into war. The war makes you crazy. They make you mental in boot camp. There are very few people that came out of wars sane or without a wound.

I'm sure Saraj talks all this shit because he was actually in the war. He's probably some 50 year old man that can't get over this subject. I notice whenever Yugo politics is being mentioned this idiot comes in and starts speaking his BS propaganda.

[DelijaZauvjek]

why is that a joke? what's wrong with Muslims? if this was 90% Christian I wouldn't have a problem with that.

you don't want to admit, but you're racist, nationalist, etc. your lil' daddy instillied you with all the hate, I don't blame you, I blame your parents, but also you for being a gullible Cetnik

Lol@ Cetnik. I guess to every Bosnian, every Serb is a Cetnik. hahaha

The joke is that they own this site and it's all politics as usual. Always choosing one of your "own"

[DelijaZauvjek]

[QUOTE=Pape;1017379]


I've read on the Serbian websites from the regular people and 90% that are writing seem to be happy that Karadzic has been caught and are saying one to go. People in Serbia have always been the most critical of war criminals and its the regular people of Serbia that ousted Milosevic out of power if we remember.
QUOTE]

God bless the ones that did what was right and not listened to the animals like Karadzic... but... I disagree... why was it when Partizan 1-3 Lyon, the fans were chanting Radovan Karadzic's name and calling Pjanic all sorts of names?

Nermin. It's a ***king football game. People get drunk and provoke. It's part of sports. Even if you don't believe in it. Like in England, they were jelous because other countries were importing black people to play for their countries(Croatia?)--haha-- and they were at a game and the English started throwing bannanas in Stadium to provoke players. Now, England is full of blacks. Probably second most besides US. So, it's just a game! People get drunk say stupid things. Plus when you're with a huge group of people you aren't just going to sit there and not say anything. If the Seljaci start chanting Oric Oric Oric..you would be too. Now shut up! And read a book. Make your own future Nermin and don't live in the shadow of your country. HHAHA

[DelijaZauvjek]

DZ said he didnt touch the ball... when he was rated one of the best players that game, he "shh-ed" the racist crowd who chanted Karadzic's name, those barbaric animals, I don't see why DZ is proud of that, he should hang himself if he instills hate and death on his own half self (Bosnian half :lol:)

go hide in that corner, hide under your country's shadows, I bet you can't do 2 miles in 11:46 minutes, you would be extinguished by the first lap, cetnik

Nermin you're an idiot. Wow! You make no sense half of the time. Oooh I bet you're the best penis sucker too.. no??

You idiot. When I said he didn't touch the ball. I said that after Benzema scored a goal. I said it didn't look like Pjanic touched the ball afterall from a different point of view. It looked like it deflected off the Partizan player when they both dived for it. Anyhow, it doesn't even matter. I'm pretty sure this is Radovan Karadzic's thread. Have some respect. haha :lol:

[Nit]

What I would like to see is the 2nd entity be cut and united. For the government to recognize Serb and Croat rights as it had promise and for both Serbia and BiH to move on in a brighter road. Only then will the war finally end and the healing process will begin. Once again, nobody will owe anyone anything anymore politically.

This would be very nice but you have to understand that now only us serbs from bosna but the croats too would feel that if RS were to be abolished that we would be supressed and that the bosnjak people of bosna would be little our people.

Although we should all move forward and let the two nations go side by side and co-operate with one another for the future, some people have different views on this and this is a problem.

[Saraj Fanático]

Nit you cannot call entities the way it happened in BiH. The Whites in America (Said to shrink in population dramatically by the next two decades), the Muslims in Serbia (Mostly the Sandzak region, who are in danger because of the Montenegro split from Serbia), the Sunnis in Shiite Iraq (Losing population over the new shiite run government in a country where shiites are the majority), the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq (We all know their long drama) should all now declare their own entities and governments now? No, they do not because the land to them is enough satisfaction. Nobody is forcing Serbs and Croats out. The BiH Government is not pro-Muslim and many of the assemblies seats are taken by non Muslims. For example, Zeljko Komsic who is an ethnic Croat is a bigger Bosnian to me then Tihic (A Bosniak) will ever live to be. What Croats and Serbs have to do is ask if they want to live in this BiH which is in conjunction of all people. Our government wasn't and will not ever be one of Islamic principles and ideology. What we want is a nation which has Bosnian Serbs, Bosnain Croats, and Bosniaks all registered as citizens of a single state without useless entities doing nothing but reminding the people of old wounds. If Serbs and Croats love their homes in BiH they are more then welcomed to stay and live. There is a different from opinion and fact, and the fact is that Bosnian and Herzegovina has been and will be a home to all 3 people, therefore its pretty reasonable to say the Government will function the exact same way.

[nb-legenda]

Nermin. It's a ***king football game. People get drunk and provoke. It's part of sports. Even if you don't believe in it. Like in England, they were jelous because other countries were importing black people to play for their countries(Croatia?)--haha-- and they were at a game and the English started throwing bannanas in Stadium to provoke players. Now, England is full of blacks. Probably second most besides US. So, it's just a game! People get drunk say stupid things. Plus when you're with a huge group of people you aren't just going to sit there and not say anything. If the Seljaci start chanting Oric Oric Oric..you would be too. Now shut up! And read a book. Make your own future Nermin and don't live in the shadow of your country. HHAHA

Bosnian fans never chant Oric's name (even though he was a hero that never committed genocide (well if he did commit genocide, then screw him, Idk, I'm just a person, I'm not god)), Bosnian fans never racist to jews, gypsies, serbs, blacks, Bosnians only chant the name of the club, they chant the name of the country and sometimes sing songs like Bosnom Behar Probeharao, they're not like Serbian fans who say idiotic stuff like "bice bosna srce srbije" (face it, it'll never be the heart of Serbia) or Croat fans who are wannabe Nazis. While some of Delije or Grobari or BORAC (yeah I read that in UEFA ;)) fans chant racist slurs on African players, the Manijaci (Zeljeznicar) chant Dialiba's name with pride :smoking:

That's what seperates Bosnain fans with Serb/Croat fans.

[nb-legenda]

Hahaha...You call these people nationalists??
These are seljaci.

All in all, my opinion about Karadzic stands that he was a smart tactical man.
But he, Izeetbegovic, and Tudjman along with Mladic should all be jailed or dead. Most of them are lol.. So mission accomplished.

90% of Serbia are against Karadzic and you're an idiot Nermin.
The only 10 percent that are with him are Seljaci, Cigani, and idiots. Just like everyone that was with Tudjman and Izetbegovic. These are all killers. All had armies that raped, killed, and did many other horrible things to women and children. Nobody is excused from war.

if so, then why do you worship Karadzic/Mladic as your heroes? you say one thing, and something totally different in another post, I never know when you're on my side or when you're my biggest enemy. one post you say something good about Bosnia and say you're half Bosnian and you start to talk with some sense, you say realistic things and right when I think you've improved, you crap it up again saying how Bosnia is crappy, Bosnian fans are stupid because they watch Rangers/Lyon because of Papac/Pjanic, and whatnot.

[nb-legenda]

Nermin you're an idiot. Wow! You make no sense half of the time. Oooh I bet you're the best penis sucker too.. no??

You idiot. When I said he didn't touch the ball. I said that after Benzema scored a goal. I said it didn't look like Pjanic touched the ball afterall from a different point of view. It looked like it deflected off the Partizan player when they both dived for it. Anyhow, it doesn't even matter. I'm pretty sure this is Radovan Karadzic's thread. Have some respect. haha :lol:

nice joke the last sentence, I laughed at that :lol:

no no... Pjanic was surrounded by three defenders... and Zoran Tosic, they all tried to injure him, and they brought him down, right before they brought him down, he did a through pass to Benzema

the game was crazy, the players numerously tried to injure him, Zoran Tosic tried to elbow him on the head

[FCBayernMunich]

I read the first sentence of your post and realized it's just not worth me reading this propaganda shit..hehe

Congrats on wasting 30 mins of your life on something that nobody is going to read except for yourself. :lol:

Karadzic= Hero
Mladic= Hero
Arkan= Hero

:D

Also, I believe those videos have something to do with killing and one of the global mods should delete that post because it's most likely provoking. I'll let them watch it and choose.

Hahaha...You call these people nationalists??
These are seljaci.

All in all, my opinion about Karadzic stands that he was a smart tactical man.
But he, Izeetbegovic, and Tudjman along with Mladic should all be jailed or dead. Most of them are lol.. So mission accomplished.

90% of Serbia are against Karadzic and you're an idiot Nermin.
The only 10 percent that are with him are Seljaci, Cigani, and idiots. Just like everyone that was with Tudjman and Izetbegovic. These are all killers. All had armies that raped, killed, and did many other horrible things to women and children. Nobody is excused from war. The west got what they achieved. 6 independent puppet states.
Nermin, you really don't know anything..

Half of the things I say is a lie because I want to fuvk with Saraj's mind for spreading propaganda on these forums. That idiot believes everything those Seljaci he lives with tell him. He's truely pathetic. Everyone committed genocide. Serbia committed the most because they had the strongiest army. It's kind of logical.
America and vietnam
Russia and Ukraine
America and Iraq
Japan and China
Germany and Jews and Eastern Europeaners
and so on.
Every big war has had genocide in it before. It's just logical. people fight for their death. It makes you crazy you loose sense. I'm sure half of the Americans that did all that crazy shit weren't bad before they came into war. The war makes you crazy. They make you mental in boot camp. There are very few people that came out of wars sane or without a wound.

I'm sure Saraj talks all this shit because he was actually in the war. He's probably some 50 year old man that can't get over this subject. I notice whenever Yugo politics is being mentioned this idiot comes in and starts speaking his BS propaganda.



First u say Mladic is a hero then u say he should be jailed or dead????



there is no way serbia will try to fight bosnia when we take rs back because then they definetly wont be going into the EU for another 100 years and rs doesnt even have an army so there isnt a war to be fought bosniak-croat army is way stronger then serbian army, when bosnia fought back in the war we won every time against serbia sending them packing the only reason why so many people died is that bosnia was to ignorant to see these scumbags and we didnt even have an army we relied too much on serbia but if we had our own army i dont think the genocide would of been on bosnia it would of been on serbia

[nb-legenda]

^ I never understood his nature...

[FCBayernMunich]

he says one thing and then another.........
hes saying the war was in the past and to leave it alone and hes bringing up millions of things


and about the fans cheering post.....

bosnia people all get along we have our differences but everyone is welcome everywhere unlike serbs who cant stand anyone not even themselves always trying to look at people from a higher level (MOSTLY JELOUSY) because they cant achieve what those people did so they try to get rid of those people (AKA BOSNIAN WAR)

[FCBayernMunich]

dont say serbia owned croatia.... cant u remember in world war 2, Jasenovac concentration camp???? when the ustase killed about more than 400,000 serbian people and a total of 700,000 people!?!!?!

[DelijaZauvjek]

Bosnian fans never chant Oric's name (even though he was a hero that never committed genocide (well if he did commit genocide, then screw him, Idk, I'm just a person, I'm not god)), Bosnian fans never racist to jews, gypsies, serbs, blacks, Bosnians only chant the name of the club, they chant the name of the country and sometimes sing songs like Bosnom Behar Probeharao, they're not like Serbian fans who say idiotic stuff like "bice bosna srce srbije" (face it, it'll never be the heart of Serbia) or Croat fans who are wannabe Nazis. While some of Delije or Grobari or BORAC (yeah I read that in UEFA ;)) fans chant racist slurs on African players, the Manijaci (Zeljeznicar) chant Dialiba's name with pride :smoking:

That's what seperates Bosnain fans with Serb/Croat fans.

Oooh come on don't even.
I have a video of Bosnia vs Serbia where both countries were talking shit to each other during the WC 06 qualifier. Stop soundsing so fake.


Nobody was trying to injure Pjanic get real dude. The players havet he outmost respect for each other. I guess you didn't see after the match when one of the Partizan players hugged Pjanic and they started talking(most likely in our language)....Remember our fans in 06 when we played. The players had a lot of respect for each other. And it wasn't 3 defenders jumping on him plus that wasn't Tosic. But it's ok I understand that you only know three players from Partizan haha...

Anyhow, I was saying Mladic was a Hero because you were saying Oric was a hero and Saraj was pushing his propaganda shit, so I was pilling back with my own shit.
Enjoy.

[DelijaZauvjek]

dont say serbia owned croatia.... cant u remember in world war 2, Jasenovac concentration camp???? when the ustase killed about more than 400,000 serbian people and a total of 700,000 people!?!!?!

You just sounded really pathetic by brining that up because you actually made Croatia look bad.
Why don't you think the Croats ever bring up this conversation when we talk politics. Because they know they can't use the excuse "genocide" against us because they killed more of us than we did of them. Funny thing was all 700,000 of those people were innocent people. Shame no?


I have a story that relates to this. Kind of touching because I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for my Great Grandpa. Anyhow, the Ustase were calling meetings in Croatia that all Serbs had to go to the Catholic churches to be converted from Orthodox to Catholic. Most Serbs figured sure whatever this will be over soon and we will go back to being Orthodox once again. All males of all ages were advised to go....My dad's grandpa took his soon(my grandpa) with him at first and while they were walking towards the church he felt that something was wrong and knew that he probably wasn't going to make it back alive, so he told his son(my grandpa) to go back to the house to get something(like a coat or something) and he would wait for him but it was too late and all the Serbs were killed in the Church. Only a few who survived under all those dead bodies told these stories. My dad's dad always never liked to talk about it but never did he have any hate for the Croats and nor does my dad and nor do I. I don't hate anyone. As Serbs are the only country that still wish Yugoslavia was still around today. But Bosnia and Croatia among others wanted their own country and whatever fine by me.

Anyhow, my dad's grandpa was killed on Christmas, so it's always a hard thing for my dad when we go to these parties in San Diego for him to have a good time but he puts it behind him and puts on a fake smile for the rest of us. =D

[nb-legenda]

^ no one cares about your dad's dad, your dad, etc. what happened to the thread title?

the Bosnian fans chanted "Bosna" and chanted Barbarez's name, and all this other stuff but didn't use racist slurs. They would think twice before doing that (consider Misimovic a player from Republika Srpska origin ;))

Serbian national and club fans are all about "gle onog mrkog, aj ubi ga" and "ubi Turcine" and "bice bosna srce srbije" (ja moj kurac ce bit)....

i neznam... zasto kazes "enjoy"<<< I've never seen anyone say that after a debating paragraph, don't you ever think how retarded you look typing that?

[nb-legenda]

You just sounded really pathetic by brining that up because you actually made Croatia look bad.
Why don't you think the Croats ever bring up this conversation when we talk politics. Because they know they can't use the excuse "genocide" against us because they killed more of us than we did of them. Funny thing was all 700,000 of those people were innocent people. Shame no?


well considering you were bragging how the Bosnians had more casualties ..........

what goes around comes around, don't get mad

when you bragged about the death of Bosnians in the war, you made YOUR country look bad

[Pape]

you guys are both americans what are you doing in this thread?

[IvanHrvat]

That's what seperates Bosnain fans with Serb/Croat fans.

Oh really? That would explain what happened in Bugojno after the Croatia-Turkey game, right?:rolleyes:

[nb-legenda]

^ we all know the Croats started it ;)

[Nit]

Both of you should shut the ***k up cause you have no idea. Nermin first you say how we are soo alike and now you say how bosnian fans are different from cro/serbs, what a load of shit . Bosnian fans are ju