About banning of Turkish governing party

[zampao]

Will you believe that the party currently governing Turkey led by prime minister Erdogan be banned???

[el Turco]

AKP kapatilmamis :)

[Fenerliyim]

it was pretty obvious it wasnt gonna happen but a 6 to 5 vote is pretty close.

[aslanlar]

What's everyones opinion on it?

[el Turco]

it was pretty obvious it wasnt gonna happen but a 6 to 5 vote is pretty close.

Yes, very close. 7 is enough for ban.

What's everyones opinion on it?

I think this is good for Turkiye. I never get the logic behind banning political parties.

[el Turco]

Decision was announced today. No ban. :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey

Turkish ruling party narrowly avoids ban

ISTANBUL, Turkey - Turkey's top court on Wednesday narrowly decided against banning the ruling party over accusations that it was steering the country toward Islamic rule, preserving a government locked in a power struggle with the secular elite.
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The Constitutional Court, however, delivered a strong — though unspecified — warning to the ruling Justice and Development Party and said it would lose half of its funding from the state treasury.

"The decision that came out was a warning to this party. It is a serious warning," said the court chairman, Hasim Kilic. "I hope that this outcome will be assessed and that the necessary measures will be taken."

He said six of the 11 judges wanted to ban the party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. A total of seven votes were needed to ban it under court regulations.

The decision represented a reprieve for Erdogan and his allies in an overwhelmingly Muslim country with a secular system that seeks to join the European Union. A decision to ban the party would have triggered a sharp escalation in political turmoil in the NATO member, where a bomb attack on Sunday killed 17 people in Istanbul.

A ban would have severely damaged Turkey's image as a democracy because the ruling party won a strong majority in elections last year; EU leaders have said the ruling party's viability should be decided in elections, not courtrooms.

The court case was the latest battleground between the pious Muslims who run the government but embrace aspects of Western political and economic systems, and the secular establishment that draws support from the military and judiciary. The rift has evolved over the last century since national founder Mustafa Kemal Ataturk jettisoned Islam as a guiding force in society and politics, instead imposing a strictly secular system amid the ruins of the Ottoman Empire.

In announcing the court decision, Kilic said judges were uncomfortable handling the court case and said it exposed the need for legal reforms that will elevate the quality of Turkish democracy. European leaders had expressed alarm at the case against Turkey's ruling party, saying its fate should be decided in an election rather than a courtroom.

"We are facing serious difficulties with regard to democracy when we deal with closure cases," Kilic said. "But unfortunately, legal and constitutional reforms necessary to meet standards of modern democracies are not made."

Kilic also appealed for Turkey's political leaders to seek consensus and reduce tension.

Mustafa Ozyurek, the deputy chairman of the main opposition party, said he respected the court's decision but noted that a majority of the judges had effectively agreed that the ruling party was a focal point for anti-secular activities.

If the ruling party "draws a lesson from this decision, then there will be no problem," said Ozyurek of the Republican People's Party. "But if it does not, then Turkey will be dragged into chaos once again."

CNN-Turk television said the court had voted 10-1 to deprive the ruling party of state aid. The party stands to lose an estimated $15 million from the state treasury this year.

In March, Turkey's chief prosecutor asked the Constitutional Court to disband Erdogan's party and bar him and 70 other party members from joining a political party for five years.

President Abdullah Gul was also on the prosecutor's list.

Prominent party leaders have backgrounds in political Islam, and the party itself is a successor to parties that were banned in the past. But those leaders now say they are not following an Islamic agenda, citing EU-backed reforms as proof.

"This party is definitely advocating a more moderate streak of thought than its predecessors," said Ilter Turan, a political science professor at Istanbul's Bilgi University. Earlier, Turan said: "No matter what the decision is, this case shows that Turkey needs a restructuring of its laws and a constitutional reform."

The judges began hearing the case Monday, a day after two bomb explosions at a packed Istanbul square. It was the deadliest attack in Turkey in almost five years. Turkish officials blamed Kurdish rebels, who denied responsibility.

The timing of the attack on the eve of the Constitutional Court's deliberations raised speculation over a link. Prosecutors are also preparing a case against alleged coup-plotters, including retired army officers, who stand accused of trying to bring down the Islamic-oriented government by fomenting chaos in Turkey.

The conflict between the government and secular opponents escalated last year during Gul's candidacy for the presidency, and the military issued a warning to the government that recalled past coups by the armed forces. But the Justice and Development Party triumphed by winning 47 percent of the votes in general elections, and 341 seats in the 550-seat Parliament.

This year, the party attempted to lift a decades-old ban on the wearing of head scarves at universities, but the top court overturned that bill, saying it was anti-secularist. Chief prosecutor Abdurrahman Yalcinkaya cited the head scarf bill as proof the government is trying to scrap secularist principles enshrined in the Constitution.

The court has banned two dozen political parties since it was established in 1963. But none had such strong electoral support as the current ruling party.

[I Am Legend]

Turkey is a gateway from ast to west and vice versa. It would not be in its best interests to have total muslim rule...If this happens a ban should follow.

[Fenerliyim]

What's everyones opinion on it?

Well imo the case shoulda been thrown out from the beginning since it really has no legal backing to begin with.

But of course many of the judges are against the AKP so they took it.

Thank god the superior court judge leader was on AKP side or else i'm pretty sure AKP woulda been closed. This decision is pretty much pulling AKP's ear.

6 of the judges think AKP is guilty and should be closed, 4 thing they are guilty but should be fined and only the leader judge thinks their innocent.

[zampao]

Turkey is a gateway from ast to west and vice versa. It would not be in its best interests to have total muslim rule...If this happens a ban should follow.

i don't think the current ruling party in Turkey follows islamic rules.
i think it tries to bring more freedom to the Turkish people as by allowing girls to wear scarf in universities.
this party seems to do it bests for modifications required to enter EU

[el Turco]

i don't think the current ruling party in Turkey follows islamic rules.
i think it tries to bring more freedom to the Turkish people as by allowing girls to wear scarf in universities.
this party seems to do it bests for modifications required to enter EU

I agree with you. They have done most EU requirements, how are they Islamic?

[SiN]

they should have been closed but they have won everyone over with money...dirty bastards....

everyone in turkey has been corrupted...

They paid people to vote for them. They gave out petrol, gold, coal and food to villagers to give them votes.

If you go out on the streets in turkey and ask who you voted for no one says AKP.

No one wants them anymore. Since they came into power the taxes have risen to a all time high. They sold most of the turkish born and raised compainies to over seas people. They sold out turkey....they are using food compainies like Ulker etc to raise money....

These people are smart....they brough the turban back into schools. they pay ladies monthly wages to cover up. they are twisting ataturks values and beliefs. they are bringing relegion into politics.

for gods sake. this guy was a hoca...how can he become prime minister? he has been in jail....this is wrong...

thats all i have to say...

whats so good about the AKP? Nothing....they are now all so rich because they corrupted are country...they have all the money in the world now. Relegious nutjobs....

since they came....turkeys economy is actually worse...no joke...taxes have been raised...people cant afford to live properly in turkey the standard of living is so high in some areas and so low in others....there are no middle people. If you want to live a good life with a nice car and house and enough money to go out dining and etc you have to earn over $1000 US a week. most people are only earning like 600-800 and all the other people are living like kings....

The people in turkey are alos ***ked up

Some are really nice and polite whilst others are rude and ignorant...i saw some shit that i could not beleive...

[el Turco]

Sin, I'll be 100% honest with you. I enjoy talking football or stuff not related to football with you, but when it comes to politics, I cannot say the same thing. Because most of your arguments are childish and silly, mate. It's what we call "kulak dolmasi" in Turkey. You hear it from someone, then just believe it.

Anyways, before i reply to this post I will ask you to do one favor. As a G-Mod, it would be very nice if you move all recent political post into this thread (http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=61712). Let's not ruin this section with politics. :)



they should have been closed but they have won everyone over with money...dirty bastards....

Wait, you mean they paid the court? That's very unreasonable. Wasnt it CHP who said right before the decision that they have full confidence over Anayasa Mahkemesi. And most of the members were put there by former president Ahmet Necdet Sezer, who is anti-AKP himself. So your argument there makes no sense.

everyone in turkey has been corrupted...

Everyone in Turkey is corrupted??? Wow! If you say this meaning everyone's poor(which not true), I agree with you that Turkey doesnt have a great economy. But who effed up the economy my friend? Oh wait, wasnt it DSP-ANAP-MHP coalition that brought this country one of the biggest economic crisis ever? People lost thousands of dollars in one day that time. So it'll take some time to improve economy, dont you think? And best way to do this is to accomplish a stable economic plan, and this government has done that.


They paid people to vote for them. They gave out petrol, gold, coal and food to villagers to give them votes.

Sorry but saying they paid 47% of Turkey to vote for them is very childish, silly and unreasonable. Giving out coal and food to villagers... First of all every belediye does that in winters. Second, every party gives out benefits to people before elections to get their votes. What wrong with that?


If you go out on the streets in turkey and ask who you voted for no one says AKP.

Again, very funny. We're talking about 47% of Turkish population Sinan. How can you say noone voted for them. Maybe your relatives say they didnt but did u ask other 99.9%?


No one wants them anymore. Since they came into power the taxes have risen to a all time high. They sold most of the turkish born and raised compainies to over seas people. They sold out turkey....they are using food compainies like Ulker etc to raise money....

No one wants them anymore? Then how come all the surveys still show them on top? About ozellisterme, I agree with it. If you look into improved countries, like US, government doesnt waste their table with operating cable, telephone etc. They're all operated by private countries. Plus, Turkish people tend to work less and more comfortable when they work for government instead of a private company. So, those companies brought more bad than good. But thats just my opinion.


These people are smart....they brough the turban back into schools. they pay ladies monthly wages to cover up. they are twisting ataturks values and beliefs. they are bringing relegion into politics.

They pay ladies monthly wages to cover up??? :lol:

Sinan have u been drinking too much? That's just silly mate. And about that turban ban. It's still banned, and it is a shame. You take away someone opportunity to receive education just because of their clothing. And you call that a free country? My ass. You know when this turban thing was a hot topic, it was over some news here in states, and when some of my American friends heard about this in school, they said it was the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard of. I was ashamed, really. How would you feel if someone told u that u cant go to school because you have earring, or long hair?


for gods sake. this guy was a hoca...how can he become prime minister? he has been in jail....this is wrong...

Is there any law in the constitution that says religious people cant be Prime Minister or President. Are they third-class people? Whats wrong with them?


thats all i have to say...

whats so good about the AKP? Nothing....they are now all so rich because they corrupted are country...they have all the money in the world now. Relegious nutjobs....

I can list all the things that is good about them, but dont have time for it.


since they came....turkeys economy is actually worse...no joke...taxes have been raised...people cant afford to live properly in turkey the standard of living is so high in some areas and so low in others....there are no middle people. If you want to live a good life with a nice car and house and enough money to go out dining and etc you have to earn over $1000 US a week. most people are only earning like 600-800 and all the other people are living like kings....

Well, you seem to forget about how effed our economy was before they came to power.


The people in turkey are alos ***ked up

:faint2: :faint2:


Some are really nice and polite whilst others are rude and ignorant...i saw some shit that i could not beleive...

You can see some shit u wouldnt believe every country in the world.



I hope my answers werent too rude for you. :)

[Brenneka]

Sin, I'll be 100% honest with you. I enjoy talking football or stuff not related to football with you, but when it comes to politics, I cannot say the same thing. Because most of your arguments are childish and silly, mate. It's what we call "kulak dolmasi" in Turkey. You hear it from someone, then just believe it.

Anyways, before i reply to this post I will ask you to do one favor. As a G-Mod, it would be very nice if you move all recent political post into this thread (http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=61712). Let's not ruin this section with politics. :)





Wait, you mean they paid the court? That's very unreasonable. Wasnt it CHP who said right before the decision that they have full confidence over Anayasa Mahkemesi. And most of the members were put there by former president Ahmet Necdet Sezer, who is anti-AKP himself. So your argument there makes no sense.



Everyone in Turkey is corrupted??? Wow! If you say this meaning everyone's poor(which not true), I agree with you that Turkey doesnt have a great economy. But who effed up the economy my friend? Oh wait, wasnt it DSP-ANAP-MHP coalition that brought this country one of the biggest economic crisis ever? People lost thousands of dollars in one day that time. So it'll take some time to improve economy, dont you think? And best way to do this is to accomplish a stable economic plan, and this government has done that.



Sorry but saying they paid 47% of Turkey to vote for them is very childish, silly and unreasonable. Giving out coal and food to villagers... First of all every belediye does that in winters. Second, every party gives out benefits to people before elections to get their votes. What wrong with that?



Again, very funny. We're talking about 47% of Turkish population Sinan. How can you say noone voted for them. Maybe your relatives say they didnt but did u ask other 99.9%?



No one wants them anymore? Then how come all the surveys still show them on top? About ozellisterme, I agree with it. If you look into improved countries, like US, government doesnt waste their table with operating cable, telephone etc. They're all operated by private countries. Plus, Turkish people tend to work less and more comfortable when they work for government instead of a private company. So, those companies brought more bad than good. But thats just my opinion.



They pay ladies monthly wages to cover up??? :lol:

Sinan have u been drinking too much? That's just silly mate. And about that turban ban. It's still banned, and it is a shame. You take away someone opportunity to receive education just because of their clothing. And you call that a free country? My ass. You know when this turban thing was a hot topic, it was over some news here in states, and when some of my American friends heard about this in school, they said it was the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard of. I was ashamed, really. How would you feel if someone told u that u cant go to school because you have earring, or long hair?



Is there any law in the constitution that says religious people cant be Prime Minister or President. Are they third-class people? Whats wrong with them?



I can list all the things that is good about them, but dont have time for it.



Well, you seem to forget about how effed our economy was before they came to power.



:faint2: :faint2:



You can see some shit u wouldnt believe every country in the world.



I hope my answers werent too rude for you. :)

if i didnt know anything id fall for this post :rolleyes: OH THOSE ANGELS THEY DID NOTHING WRONG

[el Turco]

if i didnt know anything id fall for this post :rolleyes: OH THOSE ANGELS THEY DID NOTHING WRONG

then why dont u share your knowledge with us?

Plus, Im not saying AKP is perfect. They have made mistakes.

[el Turco]

Also, which other government had balls to mess with Ergenekon?

[Brenneka]

Ergenekon? Did u ***king read the accusations? Ergenekon is from a cult called AGARTA which resides in huge underground cities in asia...ROFL sue ppl over myth? the Ahmet necdet sezer file..a citizen send a fax to CHP about his thoughts who should be in Chp.Its simply a list of people he likes to see in chp and it starts with Ahmet Necdet Sezer so they name the fax after it and arrest the people on that list:D:D How reasonable is that?
and the famous "Velev ki siyasi simge olsun" simply says Turban is a politic symbol of anti-republicans who is %100 akp supporters and politicians...
All the "ihale" s are getting done with Akp friendly firms and "Yesil Sermaye" workers

[Brenneka]

you are living in New Jersey? well then everything u hear is "kulak dolması" and like the saying goes "Davulun sesi uzaktan hos gelir"

[el Turco]

Ergenekon? Did u ***king read the accusations? Ergenekon is from a cult called AGARTA which resides in huge underground cities in asia...ROFL sue ppl over myth? the Ahmet necdet sezer file..a citizen send a fax to CHP about his thoughts who should be in Chp.Its simply a list of people he likes to see in chp and it starts with Ahmet Necdet Sezer so they name the fax after it and arrest the people on that list:D:D How reasonable is that?
and the famous "Velev ki siyasi simge olsun" simply says Turban is a politic symbol of anti-republicans who is %100 akp supporters and politicians...
All the "ihale" s are getting done with Akp friendly firms and "Yesil Sermaye" workers

Ergenekon is just a myth, all those killings were just tesaduf, Veli Kucuk is just an innocent guy, Darbe Gunlukleri doesnt exist, derin devlet doesnt exist, JITEM doesnt exist, 2,400 page report is based on nothing, Susurluk is a joke vs. vs. :rolleyes:

Tabii yerseniz...

[Brenneka]

ye Ergenekon did everything..Adnan Menderes,Kenan Evren,Suleyman Demirel,Milli görüş,Alparslan Türkeş these are innocent it was all ergenekon

[el Turco]

ye Ergenekon did everything..Adnan Menderes,Kenan Evren,Suleyman Demirel,Milli görüş,Alparslan Türkeş these are innocent it was all ergenekon

I will say this. Some of the names you mentioned there, especially Demirel, either worked with Ergenekon, or was a part of it.

[el Turco]

Buyur, daha yeni sayilir.

Erdoğan Teziç Ergenekon’dan tiksinmiş!

Eski YÖK Başkanı Erdoğan Teziç'e yönelik olduğu iddia edilen silahlı eylem de Ergenekon İddianamesi'ne girmiş.

Olay, Hrant Dink suikastı, Zirve Yayınevi baskını, Rahip Santoro cinayeti ve Danıştay saldırısı ile aynı paralelde, aynı merkezden yönetilen provokatif bir eylem olarak nitelendiriliyor.

Peki, Erdoğan Teziç de aynı görüşte mi? Bu soruyu bizzat kendisine sordum. Hadi itiraf edeyim. Merakımı asıl cezbeden şey Teziç'in Ergenekon sanıklarını nasıl savunacağı, iddianameyi yerden yere nasıl vuracağıydı. Ancak ondan hiç beklemediğim bir tavırla karşılaştım.

"- Midem bulanıyor." Teziç'in ilk sözü bu oldu. Acaba hasta mıydı?

"-Tiksindim. Acayip tiksindim yani..." Alerjik bir reaksiyon mu, yoksa...

"-Ergenekon'dan tiksiniyorum!" Önce iddianameyi kastediyor sandım. Meğer tek bir sayfasını bile okumamış. Okumak da istemiyor. İlk şaşkınlığı atıp bu tavrının nedenini soruyorum. İddianamede suçlananların bir çoğu samimi olduğu isimler. Hatta kader birliği yaptığı...

"-Hiç geriye dönüp bakmak istemiyorum. Hatırlamak bile istemiyorum." Teziç, durmadan "iğrençlik" diyor, başka bir şey söylemiyor. Aslında söylemek istiyor ama kendisini zor tutuyor.

'En iyisi unutmak' deyince 'Neyi?' diye soruyorum ve patlıyor; "- İnsanın öldürüleceğini bilmesi ne kadar kötü bir şey biliyor musunuz!?.

Her şeyi öğreniyorsunuz. Kimler, nasıl öldürecek..."

Erdoğan Teziç, kendisine yönelik suikast planlayanların, bir zamanlar dost bildiği insanların arasından çıkmasından son derece rahatsız. Tam bir pişmanlık psikolojisi içerisinde; "-Ankara'ya dönmeyeceğim. Hiçbir şey hatırlamak istemiyorum.

Hiçbir şey!.. " Erdoğan Teziç, geçmişi unutacak, hatırlamayacak diyelim. Ya biz, biz nasıl unutacağız onun geçmişte sarf ettiği dehşet dolu sözleri? "AKP'nin seçtiği cumhurbaşkanı Çankaya'ya çıkamaz, yolda kaza (!) geçirir, başına bir iş gelir" sözünü mesela...

ERHAN ÇELİK/BUGÜN

[el Turco]

One more question, Hrant Dink cinayeti, Danistay Saldirisi vs. vs. sadece normalmiydi. Danistay'i tarayan adam, saldiridan iki gun once Glock tabancayla Giresun'da yakalanmis, hakkinda hic bir islem yapilmamis, neden acaba. :rolleyes:

Hrant Dink saldirisini da -sanirim oldurenin akrabasi- jandarmaya onceden ihbar etmis, ama hic bir sey olmamis.

Bir anda aklima emekli pasanin, elini silah ustune koyup "Bu iste olmek var, oldurmek var" dedigi aklima geldi. Neden acaba? :rolleyes:

[Brenneka]

You know what happened today Abdullah Gül appointed turban-supporter rectors instead of those were against it..

[el Turco]

You know what happened today Abdullah Gül appointed turban-supporter rectors instead of those were against it..

Just like Ahmet Necdet Sezer appointed anti-AKP rectors when he was president, right?

[Brenneka]

http://ergun.azbuz.com/readArticle.jsp?objectID=5000000003132070

[Brenneka]

| AKP'nin Ekonomik Yalanları

BENZİN:
2002'de: 1.69 YTL
Bugün: 3.44 YTL
Artış oranı: % 103

TÜPGAZ:
2002'de: 19 YTL
Bugün: 43 YTL
Artış oranı: % 126

* EKMEK:
2002'de: 0.15 YTL
Bugün: 0.40 YTL
Artış oranı: % 166

* İŞSİZ SAYISI:
2002'de: Resmi: 2 milyon 412 bin (Gerçek: 6 milyon 200 bin)
Bugün: Resmi: 2 milyon 487 bin. (Gerçek: 10 milyon.)

* KARŞILIKSIZ ÇEK:
2002'de: 748 bin adet
Bugün: 1 milyon 535 adet

* PROTESTOLU SENET:
2002'de: 498 bin 748 adet
Bugün: 2.8 milyon adet

* DIŞ BORÇ:
2002'de: 130 milyar dolar
Bugün: 280 milyar dolar

* İÇ BORÇ:
2002'de: 90 milyar dolar
Bugün: 182.4 milyar dolar

* DIŞ TİCARET AÇIĞI:
2002'de: 15.5 milyar dolar
Bugün: 51.3 milyar dolar

(Aktaran, Vatan, 10 Mayıs 2008)

Rakamlar AKP'nin Ekonomik Yalanlarını Belgeliyor
Ülkemizdeki ekonominin durumu hakkında, AKP'li bakanların diliyle, ekonomik durumu belgeleyen rakamlar birbirinden farklı şeyler söylüyor. Rakamlar AKP'li bakanların çizmeye çalıştığı pembe tabloyu yalanlıyor.
Rakamlara göre AKP ekonomisi hayat pahalılığının arttığı bir ekonomidir. İşsiz sayısının, borçlanmanın, yoksulluğun, ticaret açığının arttığı bir ekonomidir.

Ve bu ekonominin finans kaynaklarını, IMF, Dünya Bankası gibi kurumlardan alınan krediler, emperyalist sermayeye "borsa" denilen kumarhane aracılığıyla kazandırarak çekilen "sıcak para" ve asıl olarak da halka soyulmasından, ülkede ne var ne yok satılığa çıkartılmasından elde edilenler oluşturur.

Üretime değil, yağmaya, talana, vatanı satmaya, emek sömürüsüne, halkın aç ve yoksul bırakılmasına dayalı bir ekonomidir bu.

Peki AKP, bu ekonominin neresinde "olumluluk" buluyor? Bu ekonomiye olumlu diyenlerin, olumluluktan anladıkları, bir avuç zenginin kasaları olmalıdır. Çünkü, halkı yoksullaştıran AKP ekonomisi, aynı zamanda küçük bir azınlığı, sınırsız sömürü, yağma ve talan olanağı sunarak zenginleştiriyor.

AKP iktidarı ekonomi üzerine olumlu tablolar çizer, rakamlarla yalanlar söylerken, Başbakan "kimse bir şey yapmadı, biz yaptık" söylemini durmaksızın tekrarlarken ve daha da önemlisi, sadaka uygulamalarını genel bir politikaya dönüştürürken, bu ekonomi politikalarının halk tarafından sorgulanmasını engellemeye çalışmaktadırlar.

Çünkü, kimi araştırmaların yüzde '70'lerde gösterdiği yoksulları, ekonominin iyi gittiği yalanlarına inandırmak pek de kolay olmasa gerek. Fak Fuk Fonlar, sadaka kurumları, Ramazan çadırları, "hayırsever işadamları", işte bunun için bu kadar çok "faal"ler.

Pembe tablolar, babalar gibi satma, yağma-talan-peşkeş çekme ekonomisini aklayamaz. Kendini "ezilenlerin partisi" diye sunan AKP, iktidara geldiğinden bu yana ekmeği halka yüzde 166 daha zamlı yediriyor mu yedirmiyor mu?.. Gerçek bu kadar açık.
Yağmaya Özel Yasa
Yağma ekonomisinin yeni adımı, "hazine ve orman arazilerinin" turizme açma adına talanına izin veren yasanın çıkarılması oldu. 7 Mayıs'ta çıkarılan yasaya göre, hektar başına 24 bin YTL ödeyen "turizm yatırımcısı" denilen yağmacı, kendisine tahsis edilen hazine ve orman arazisinde istediği kadar ağaç kesebilecek. Böylece Erdoğan'ın çevresinden, Rixsos otellerinin sahibi Fettah Tamince'ye ait Lara Kent Parkı dahil, yapım izni iptal edilen 53 projenin önü açıldı.

Aynı gün 7 Mayıs'ta, Gaziosmanpaşa Yunus Emre Mahallesi'nde, Romanlar'ın yaşadıkları "Sinop Burnu" olarak bilinen bölgede 60 adet baraka yıkıldı. Belediye başkanı Erhan Erol "Kamu arazilerine işgal konusunda son derece hassasız... kaçak yapı yapmaya yeltenenler, karşılarında bizi bulacak" dedi.

Ülkenin topraklarını babasının çiftliği sanıyorlar. İstedikleri yeri satıyorlar, istedikleri alanı yerlisi yabancısı zenginlere ve yandaşlarına peşkeş çekiyorlar. Bunun için özel yasalar çıkarıyorlar.

Fakat, onların yasalarında, ülke topraklarından halka bir gecekonduluk, bir branda altı kadar yer bile düşmüyor, "kaçak yapılaşma" diyerek saldırıyorlar, yıkıyorlar, insanlarımızı sokaklara atıyorlar. Halka karşı aslan kesiliyorlar, diğer yandan peşkeş kesintisiz sürüyor.

[Brenneka]

One more question, Hrant Dink cinayeti, Danistay Saldirisi vs. vs. sadece normalmiydi. Danistay'i tarayan adam, saldiridan iki gun once Glock tabancayla Giresun'da yakalanmis, hakkinda hic bir islem yapilmamis, neden acaba. :rolleyes:

Hrant Dink saldirisini da -sanirim oldurenin akrabasi- jandarmaya onceden ihbar etmis, ama hic bir sey olmamis.

Bir anda aklima emekli pasanin, elini silah ustune koyup "Bu iste olmek var, oldurmek var" dedigi aklima geldi. Neden acaba? :rolleyes:

Beni yanlış anlama ben Ergenekon yok diyorum ama bu ülkede başka karanlık örgütler var.Ergenekon muhalif güçleri etkisiz hale getirmek için üretilmiş ve saptırılmış sahte kanıtlarla açılan bir dava..

Ben Akp Hükümetine karşıyım

[Brenneka]

Just like Ahmet Necdet Sezer appointed anti-AKP rectors when he was president, right?

so does it enough to justify this act? They did it so we did it..
Hukukun birinci kuralı "Sui misal emsal teşkil etmez"

[el Turco]

Beni yanlış anlama ben Ergenekon yok diyorum ama bu ülkede başka karanlık örgütler var.Ergenekon muhalif güçleri etkisiz hale getirmek için üretilmiş ve saptırılmış sahte kanıtlarla açılan bir dava..

Ben Akp Hükümetine karşıyım

AKP hukumetine karsisindir, saygi duyarim. Ama, yaptigi iyi islere de saygi duymani umardim. Tabii ki cok hatalari oldu, ozellikle ekonomide. AKP'de sevmedigim adamlar da var, mesela Kemal Unakitan. Ama, bu Ergenekon yillardir bilinen ama bir turlu ustune gidilemeyen bir seydi. Muhalefeti yildirmak icin yapildigina inanmiyorum, cunku suclanan isimlerden once sindirelecek yuzlerce isim vardi. Yillardir Turkiye'de isler biraz duzelince bir saldiri olur hersey yine batardi. Yillardir Turkiye'de faili mechul cinayetler olur, ondan sonra birisini katil diye gosterirler, olay kapanirdi. Is Partisi'nin genel merkezinde Yasar Buyukanit'in tum koruma bilgileri, nasil korundugu, nerelere gidecegi, giderken nerelerden gececegi, ve daha bir suru sey cikmis. Bu da mi tesaduf? Ayrica Ergenekon cetesine bagli daha nice isimlerin oldugunu dusunuyorum.

so does it enough to justify this act? They did it so we did it..
Hukukun birinci kuralı "Sui misal emsal teşkil etmez"

It doesnt. But where was the media and people when Sezer and every other president has done the same thing?

[SiN]

no offense taken el turco

you have your views and i have mine

[el Turco]

no offense taken el turco

you have your views and i have mine

As long as we argue like civilized people and respect each other's views, there are no problems. :)

[SiN]

yes thats correct

i have deep respect for your views and i like to actually take back anything nasty i might have said

its just that i dont agree with all these new rules and regulations and taxes the AKP have brought out since coming into power.

And they have sold off most of the turkish based companies to foreigners and sold our gas and oil lines.

The statistics speak for themselves.

[PAO_HELLAS]

I will agree with El Turco that this is something good for Turkey, and democracy there.

Banning a political party is fascist, unless its leadership is promoting illegal actions like homicides etc. Banning a party that is not doing something like this is like banning ideas/ideology. And since the party of the gray wolves is legal in Turkey, I find it kind of funny talking about banning Erdogan's party.

Besides all these, something else I have to note is my opinion that the Kemalists and the other opponets of Erdogan are very harsh against him and his party. I have contacts with Turks often and in many of them I see an excessively fierce hate against Erdogan and his party. Even if they disagree with the party's views on religion etc I believe they have to respect it more, as it developed Turkey a lot economically during last years.

Someone can say that the development is something that comes sooner or later, no matter the political leadership, and this is something partly true, but the leadership has also an important share on it.

[Fenerliyim]

honestly if AKP was closed down, they would have just come back under a new name and win by an even bigger margin this time.

I mean last year they were forced to make an early election and everybody thought they'd barely get 20% of the votes, CHP and MHP were all full of themselves and then bam AKP went and got 48% percent of the votes.

This time the citizens of turkey would be pissed about the courts interfering with the democracy and AKP under its new name would prbly get 60-65% of the votes.

[zampao]

you are living in New Jersey? well then everything u hear is "kulak dolması" and like the saying goes "Davulun sesi uzaktan hos gelir"

what does "kulak dolmasi" mean???

also the translation of last sentence please.:)

[zampao]

honestly if AKP was closed down, they would have just come back under a new name and win by an even bigger margin this time.

I mean last year they were forced to make an early election and everybody thought they'd barely get 20% of the votes, CHP and MHP were all full of themselves and then bam AKP went and got 48% percent of the votes.

This time the citizens of turkey would be pissed about the courts interfering with the democracy and AKP under its new name would prbly get 60-65% of the votes.

u mean that when a party is banned in Turkey another one appears by same principles but diffirent name:if u mean by this that AKP is continuation of RP (lead by Erbakan & banned in 1997 as i remember) i don't agree with u.The 2 parties AKP&RP are totally diffirent with diffirent principles

[SiN]

Even peopple working inside the AKP have quit their own party and made their own party...

If AKP was closed down they would have come back with another party.

But now since they have the upper hand they will probably go to an early election and gain another 4 years in parliament.

But i do not see the country having this government after 5 years. Thats for sure....

[Brenneka]

what does "kulak dolmasi" mean???

also the translation of last sentence please.:)


kulak dolması means information based on gossips and chats (someone can translate better i hope =D )

and "Davulun sesi uzaktan hos gelir" literally=Drums sound nice from distance
and it means that things that doesnt effect you at first hand may not be that good/innocent/normal and you gotta go through somethings to truely understand what it really does to you (again i might have failed to translate this)

i tried =) been WoWing all day im kinda tired :D

[Fenerliyim]

that game should be banned, horrible addiction it causes

[zampao]

kulak dolması means information based on gossips and chats (someone can translate better i hope =D )

and "Davulun sesi uzaktan hos gelir" literally=Drums sound nice from distance
and it means that things that doesnt effect you at first hand may not be that good/innocent/normal and you gotta go through somethings to truely understand what it really does to you (again i might have failed to translate this)

i tried =) been WoWing all day im kinda tired :D

thanks Brenneka for ur translations.:)

really i didn't understand exactly the meaning of the sentence "Davulun....
i think u tried to tell me that means if something appears that is beneficial to u at first&u try going with him he may be harmful to u at last.thats right?

[zampao]

Hey guys:There was a funny announcement in Greece by Karatzaferis who is the leader of political party Laos he told that the current ruling party in Greece should stop working for its corruptions&urgent elections should occur to select a temporary government except Nea Dimokratia (the current ruling party).When i read this i thought that Karatzaferis may think to ask in a future time banning of current ruling part..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
This guy may have met Baykal&he gave him these ideas..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[el Turco]

Hey guys:There was a funny announcement in Greece by Karatzaferis who is the leader of political party Laos he told that the current ruling party in Greece should stop working for its corruptions&urgent elections should occur to select a temporary government except Nea Dimokratia (the current ruling party).When i read this i thought that Karatzaferis may think to ask in a future time banning of current ruling part..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
This guy may have met Baykal&he gave him these ideas..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Lol. Maybe Baykal gave his komsu some suggestions, who knows? :D

Some of the posts in this thread were originally posted in Turkish section, thats why they're Turkish. And those two sentences that you asked for; they're proverbs, so it's really hard to translate them.

[zampao]

Lol. Maybe Baykal gave his komsu some suggestions, who knows? :D

Some of the posts in this thread were originally posted in Turkish section, thats why they're Turkish. And those two sentences that you asked for; they're proverbs, so it's really hard to translate them.

its ok ElTurco not necessary for me to understand all posts in this topic although i started it.:D

i know that dolma is a type of food.(By the way i ate that food in Tekirday but then i had diarrhoea for 2 days.:lol::lol:).We also have that in Greece but my body may not have the genes to metabolize the Turkish one..:lol::lol::lol:

i found that kulak means ear.

i understood what the combination means from Brenneka