Lagerbäck's Tactical Up's & Down's

[Vic]

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Be free to discuss Lagerbäck's tactical moves in this thread.

[Vic]

Reports says that Lagerbäck might wanna use a 4-4-1-1 formation against Greece with Ibra alone upfront and Henrik Larsson as a supportive attacker, preventing Greece's upbuilding face.

Questions are who he will use as the defensive midfielders, will it be Svensson - Linderoth, Svensson - D.Andersson or Svensson - Källström?

I sure hope it's not the one with D.Andersson.

[Viking_81]

Metro had an article on the formation, if I only could remember it. They compared Lagerbäcks probable line-up to their own choice. They wrote "With this line-up, Sweden just miiight be able to advance" (Lagerbäcks line-up) and "With this line-up, Sweden will advance and could be on their way to great things". All I remember is that in Metro's starting 11, Alexandersson was out, Stoor took his place and they had Elmander and Zlatan up top, Larsson behind them as a "släpande anfallare" (don't know this word in English), like an offensive midfielder, Totti position.

I couldn't agree more that the attack should be set up like this. Larsson is unique in his understanding of the game. He sees openings like no other, how about the CL final as an example when he turned the whole thing around. And time and time again, we've seen Larsson in Allsvenskan, handing scoring chances to his team-mates on a silver platter (which they normally missed of course :D )

I do hope that Lagerbäck doesn't play it safe with the formation. The attack that Sweden has in 2008 might not come back in a while.Whether it's Stoor or Alexandersson is acceptable but please put Elmander and Zlatan up top and Larsson as an architect/goalscorer.

Btw Vic, why not move this to the Group D main. Even I had trouble finding it, everyone has moved to the EC forum.

[Vic]

Metro had an article on the formation, if I only could remember it. They compared Lagerbäcks probable line-up to their own choice. They wrote "With this line-up, Sweden just miiight be able to advance" (Lagerbäcks line-up) and "With this line-up, Sweden will advance and could be on their way to great things". All I remember is that in Metro's starting 11, Alexandersson was out, Stoor took his place and they had Elmander and Zlatan up top, Larsson behind them as a "släpande anfallare" (don't know this word in English), like an offensive midfielder, Totti position


I couldn't agree more that the attack should be set up like this. Larsson is unique in his understanding of the game. He sees openings like no other, how about the CL final as an example when he turned the whole thing around. And time and time again, we've seen Larsson in Allsvenskan, handing scoring chances to his team-mates on a silver platter (which they normally missed of course :D )

I do hope that Lagerbäck doesn't play it safe with the formation. The attack that Sweden has in 2008 might not come back in a while.Whether it's Stoor or Alexandersson is acceptable but please put Elmander and Zlatan up top and Larsson as an architect/goalscorer..


I completly agree. We could put up a dangerous attacking formation and Henke as a supportive attacker is just a genious move. Just as you pointed out, his skills are amazing and his view of the game is from another planet. Larsson with the feeds to Ibra and a running Elmander upfront would be perfect. We have the players to play more offensive minded footie, I can't recall since we had so many skillfull offensive minded players in a Swedish NT.

However both you and me knows that Lagerbäck won't change his 'evident' gamestyle as Beenhaaker pointed out. I'm afraid that our gamestyle is just that EVIDENT.

About our defence. I really rate a player like Majstorovic and would pick him anyday of the week instead of Hansson. Then we have this usuall thing with vets playing instead of hungry youngsters. I'd like to see Stoor instead of Alexandersson but as you said before, it's acceptable if he uses Alex.

We have a nice competitive team this year, especially on the flanks, Seb Larsson, Wilhelmsson and Freddie. That's a nice troijka right there. I'm all for Seb Larsson, he's amazing, talk about a nice TOUCH.

Btw Vic, why not move this to the Group D main. Even I had trouble finding it, everyone has moved to the EC forum.

Done Viking. :)

[ifkgötet]

As Viking wrote in another thread let´s hope Lagerbäck gets a bit "crazy" and dares a bit more. Taking use of the very strong attacking players we have.

[Vic]

Couldn't agree more, it's about time that Lagerbäck gambles more during the games, if we want to go far in this tournament we need a coach that can change the game out there on the field and give the Swedish players some nice injections at the right times.

[~zero_signal~]

http://worldcup.cctv.com/program/C15635/20060517/images/101298_Lars%20Lagerback.jpg

"Heyyyy, I'm the man!"
Lagerback: Relaxed, because everything will be ok :lol:.

[Vic]

:lol:

However this is the look Lagerbäck will have during the games when we are under by a goal.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00253/lagerback494_253671b.jpg

Then nothing happens, he just sits there on the bench like that, lol..

[~zero_signal~]

:lol: Oh, man ...

He cracks me up :lol: -- he seems so chilled out all the time, and then he gives that confused look that you posted. Awesome. He must be a fairly easy-going man in real life.

[Vic]

Lagerbäck you big ***king clown, how can you honestly start with a fat/slow Allsvenskan player in D.Andersson? The worst Swedish player ever!!!!!

***k off if we don't get a result tonight!

[ifkgötet]

Lagerbäck you big ***king clown, how can you honestly start with a fat/slow Allsvenskan player in D.Andersson? The worst Swedish player ever!!!!!

***k off if we don't get a result tonight!

I agrre with you Vic. Very dissapointing selection on certain spots. Daniel"sidleds-danne" Andersson is not a very popular player except among malmö-fans. He has had the chance to shine before in big tournaments. But has showed that he is not capable at this level. Lagerbäck continues to show conservativism. Why not play Anders Svensson behind Källström instead.I mean Källström is afterall a high class player at Lyon.

[AxelFoley]

Lagerbäck you big ***king clown, how can you honestly start with a fat/slow Allsvenskan player in D.Andersson? The worst Swedish player ever!!!!!

***k off if we don't get a result tonight!

Take it easy man, have some respect. Lagerbäck is God tonight and you will bow down in his presence.

[Viking_81]

Take it easy man, have some respect. Lagerbäck is God tonight and you will bow down in his presence.

AxelFoley, where the hell have you been man!. We've been missing you.

More active posting on your part...RAUS!! (or something like it)

[AxelFoley]

AxelFoley, where the hell have you been man!. We've been missing you.

More active posting on your part...mmmkay!

I'm sorry man, I'm usually on the South American board, and I was meaning to come over here and discuss the Euro Cup but I never watch the games at home, and when I finally get home I go to sleep basically.

From now on I'll be more active on this board, posting before, during & after the games :smoking:

[Viking_81]

I'm sorry man, I'm usually on the South American board, and I was meaning to come over here and discuss the Euro Cup but I never watch the games at home, and when I finally get home I go to sleep basically.

From now on I'll be more active on this board, posting before, during & after the games :smoking:

What the hell!!, you didn't watch the game tonight ?.

This is an outrage, how can I make an official complaint to the Uruguyan embassy.

[AxelFoley]

What the hell!!, you didn't watch the game tonight ?.

This is an outrage, how can I make an official complaint to the Uruguyan embassy.

:lol: Dude, I said I never watch the games at home, my brother just got a big-screen LCD TV, so I watch most games over there :smoking:

[Viking_81]

:lol: Dude, I said I never watch the games at home, my brother just got a big-screen LCD TV, so I watch most games over there :smoking:

Kidding with ya mate but you already got that :) .


It's not as if I've been the most active member in the past few months but I've posted for a few days and haven't seen you, so it's nice to see a respected face. Hope you'll stay around for the Euro.

[AxelFoley]

I'll be here man ;)

[Vic]

Amazing guys, cheers my swedish friends!!!!!!

D.Andersson, what has happend to him, im still not sure if it was D. Andersson that played that well yesterday..

[Vic]

Lagerbäck might wanna rest some of our best players against Spain. (H.Larsson, Ibrahimovic, A.Svensson etc) and go with Elmander - Rosenberg upfront. Kim Källström to replace A.Svensson and then maybe give Linderoth some time to play.

Seb Larsson will most likely get the chance against Spain. Stoor instead of Alexandersson..

Seriously guys, we have an amazing squad with lots of quality players. It's a shame that Wilhelmsson can't play more in this tournament, he's been amazing latley in Deportivo and was brilliant against Greece.

However I hope to see Zlatan and CO against Spain. Let's wait and see..

[AxelFoley]

I don't think he'd rest them, that would be stupid. As if we don't have a chance against Spain and have to go full out against Russia instead to go through the group.

[Vic]

^ Agreed, It would be very stupid but you never know with Lagerbäck.

[Viking_81]

Hmm Elmander instead of Sebastian Larsson. Since Mr. Header Henke is playing, why not use Seb's ability to put nice crossed into the box instead. Though I believe in Mr. Lagerbäck, a traitor he is not for D.Andersson played well :D

[ifkgötet]

Hmm Elmander instead of Sebastian Larsson. Since Mr. Header Henke is playing, why not use Seb's ability to put nice crossed into the box instead. Though I believe in Mr. Lagerbäck, a traitor he is not for D.Andersson played well :D

I agree with you. But maybe Lagerbäck is well aware of the fact that Aragones have great respect for El Mander after the Stockholm-match?!
But still Elmander is a natural forward and I remember the friendly game against Iland where we lost big. There were open floodgates on the right flank then. Yeah I know, Östlund played aweful behind him but still....

[Viking_81]

PLEASE!!!! get rid of Lagerbäck after the Euro. I know I'm sounding like the English press but Lagerbäck just doesn't cut it. How in the FACK!!!! can you play defensive for the 2nd half, sub Ibra and just piss away an entire match when Sweden played great.

Let's give Lagerbäck a medal for what he's done as a coach, shake his hand and then send him on his way. 100% decided, Lagerbäck has to go if Sweden are gonna go anywhere.

[AxelFoley]

Spain made us play that way, Ibra got subbed most likely because it was needed. If we would have gotten a 1-1 result you wouldn't be this pissed and demand his head.

A new coach won't get us any titles.

[Viking_81]

Spain made us play that way, Ibra got subbed most likely because it was needed. If we would have gotten a 1-1 result you wouldn't be this pissed and demand his head.

A new coach won't get us any titles.

But how can one half look a certain way and then the 2nd entirely different. Yeah if we got a 1-1 result I wouldn't demand his head but with one hand on the bible and the 2nd on the heart, 5-10 mins prior to Villa's goal, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I wondered what the hell was going on. Sweden was equally strong in the 1st half and you could hope for Sweden to win the match before 2nd half kicked off.

I think a new coach could get us a lot further, like German media said, Sweden will go past the group and then go nowhere because the coach doesn't have the balls to take risks.

[NiM]

Lagerbäck has his game set in stone, i wouldnt be surprised if he actually had a set of tablets ordered from a mason and declared that 'this shall not change'.

It leaves everything open for the oponents to exploit our game, we have good players, ofcourse lots of them hardly ever get to play cause Lagerbäck doesn't believe in fielding the best players and change the gameplan to match them.

Instead he tries to mash in the best possible combination he can to match his system, which leaves half a decent team in a strategy that every opponent can adjust to, cause they know damn well it wont change.

We have to count on luck and individual perfomances to get goals. Lagerbäck is a joke.

Every positive change we've ever had in the swedish national team since he took over has been forced upon Lagebäck because of injuries or people quiting the team cause they were too old! Think about that...

[AxelFoley]

But how can one half look a certain way and then the 2nd entirely different. Yeah if we got a 1-1 result I wouldn't demand his head but with one hand on the bible and the 2nd on the heart, 5-10 mins prior to Villa's goal, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I wondered what the hell was going on. Sweden was equally strong in the 1st half and you could hope for Sweden to win the match before 2nd half kicked off.

I think a new coach could get us a lot further, like German media said, Sweden will go past the group and then go nowhere because the coach doesn't have the balls to take risks.

You honestly haven't seen that happen before? We started playing beter after the 1-0, put in a goal and we were on a roll, we had the pressure & Spain tried to slow the game down. Then it was break-time and in the second half Spain played with force while we could only defend.

[Viking_81]

You honestly haven't seen that happen before? We started playing beter after the 1-0, put in a goal and we were on a roll, we had the pressure & Spain tried to slow the game down. Then it was break-time and in the second half Spain played with force while we could only defend.

Oh come on, it's one thing to slow a game down and another to go on to strictly defending. Sweden looked great after they scored that goal and Spain had to play (although I think they did play even after the 1st goal). After Ibra was subbed, they came out looking like a different team in 2nd half.

[NiM]

Oh come on, it's one thing to slow a game down and another to go on to strictly defending. Sweden looked great after they scored that goal and Spain had to play (although I think they did play even after the 1st goal). After Ibra was subbed, they came out looking like a different team in 2nd half.

Dont forget what spain did, the early substitutions allowed them to upp the pace while the swedes couldnt keep up and caved in, Lagerbäck should've matched some fresh legs alot earlier. Not to mention that his substitutions didnt make sense. Or the lineup for that matter either.

Considering how badly our team is being managed it's quite amazing how well they're actually doing.

[Viking_81]

Considering how badly our team is being managed it's quite amazing how well they're actually doing.

This is what I'm starting to think as well. That the talent is greater than the coach. All the respect in the world for Lagerbäcks history but how could they do if they had a coach that wanted to WIN matches (a la Hiddink)

[AxelFoley]

Ok, sack Lagerbäck and put some other one instead, it'll be England 2007 all over again, trust me.

[Viking_81]

Ok, sack Lagerbäck and put some other one instead, it'll be England 2007 all over again, trust me.

Haha, I wish I could laugh at you but I can only laugh because you're probably be correct.

Lagerbäck has the record SGE had but he doesn't have that extra. It would be a gamble to sack Lagerbäck, would we see South Africa 2010 ?, if we did then I think we'd be stronger without Lagerbäck but if we didn't...it wouldn't be a huge surprise.

Why couldn't just the man have some damn confidence of all the talent he is presiding over.

[AxelFoley]

Haha, I wish I could laugh at you but I can only laugh because you're probably be correct.

Lagerbäck has the record SGE had but he doesn't have that extra. It would be a gamble to sack Lagerbäck, would we see South Africa 2010 ?, if we did then I think we'd be stronger without Lagerbäck but if we didn't...it wouldn't be a huge surprise.

Why couldn't just the man have some damn confidence of all the talent he is presiding over.

Ok I'm man enough to agree that Lagerbäck might be missing one of his 2 testicles. But I don't think much would change if we went Brasil on teams asses, just a few years ago we were almost as boringly defensive as Greece is now.

[Sebastian]

Hey this is Mourinho's thread :evil: Who the hell is this Lagerbäck???:D...

[NiM]

Ok I'm man enough to agree that Lagerbäck might be missing one of his 2 testicles. But I don't think much would change if we went Brasil on teams asses, just a few years ago we were almost as boringly defensive as Greece is now.
We're still as boringly defensive as we were before, but we have some individual talent (and a 'new' captain who likes to defy Lagerbäck) that make it a little more interesting.

The only time Lagerbäck has replaced a player it's been because of either injury or retirement (or retaliation in one case).

As for going Brasil on their asses that's just a dumb statement, but we should field our best players if possible, and build a game plan that suits the players.

You cant build an international team the way you make a club team. In a club you have a specific gameplan and you recruit specific kind of players to suit into the mold.

An international side has to pick the best players and form a gameplan around the players! If you don't, you end up with a team that performs way bellow its capacity. Like Sweden.

[AxelFoley]

We're still as boringly defensive as we were before, but we have some individual talent (and a 'new' captain who likes to defy Lagerbäck) that make it a little more interesting.

The only time Lagerbäck has replaced a player it's been because of either injury or retirement (or retaliation in one case).

As for going Brasil on their asses that's just a dumb statement, but we should field our best players if possible, and build a game plan that suits the players.

You cant build an international team the way you make a club team. In a club you have a specific gameplan and you recruit specific kind of players to suit into the mold.

An international side has to pick the best players and form a gameplan around the players! If you don't, you end up with a team that performs way bellow its capacity. Like Sweden.

It's not dumb because it's true, the way some of you talk sounds like we should play freakin' dumb-ball with something we don't have, enough force.

You make some sense but a lot of what you write is just incorrect we're as boringly defensive as a few years ago? That's pure bullshit.

[NiM]

It's not dumb because it's true, the way some of you talk sounds like we should play freakin' dumb-ball with something we don't have, enough force.

You make some sense but a lot of what you write is just incorrect we're as boringly defensive as a few years ago? That's pure bullshit.What 'some' of us' say is irrelevant, 'some people' dislike Lagerbäck for solid and real reasons other dislike him eventhough they dont know crap. Lagerbäck isn't an idiot, he's not dumb, but he's an awful coach, no those things do not exclude eachother.

As for not playing the same defensive game as before, i'll tell you what the difference is since the 'a couple of years ago'..

Lets see, a typical lineup would be;
Hedman
Patrik Anderson, Joakim Björklund, Lucic , Mellberg
Håkan Mild, Ljungberg, Magnus Svensson, Mjällby
Kenneth Andersson, Henrik Larsson

I could've included Allbäck, Jonsson and a few others (even Daniel Andersson who wasn't much better then than he is now) but it's just a generic lineup so dont get all wound up here :) .

If you look at where they played you'll see that they filled suspiciously similar roles as the current players are assigned, oh and the lineup? 4-4-2 midfield diamond, just like now. So what has changed?

The gameplan is still exactly the same, there's a few new variants and a few more individualy talented players that have replaced the retired players. We have more quality players now, but we're playing the same game.

So what's changed? The players he was FORCED to replace because they retired... Lagerbäck seems to be very unwilling to change anything at all, sometimes i think if he could he'd bring the same squad from when he started for ten years straight if he could and never changing a thing.

He was never a good choice, appointing him coach all those years ago was a huge mistake! I said so then and i say so still. Although then i wasnt entirely sure (after all he might straighten up and actually smarten up, alas, he did exactly what i expected of him), now i'm very convinced that i was right in thinking he was a sheit choice.

However i dont blame him for wanting the job, i blame Lagrell for giving it to him, i think he's a total doushebag. (just look at what he did with the Swedish Cup)

[NiM]

God im really full of hate against Lagerbäck today :D I've been kind of onesided on the issue (although i know im right ^^) but i dont want to come off as an asshole so i apologise if that's the case (not that anyone's implied anything, but just incase) ;)

[AxelFoley]

Rant, rant, rant. I should be charging you, because this seems like years of anger finally released by me, the therapist.

Are you healed? :)

[ifkgötet]

It's not dumb because it's true, the way some of you talk sounds like we should play freakin' dumb-ball with something we don't have, enough force.

You make some sense but a lot of what you write is just incorrect we're as boringly defensive as a few years ago? That's pure bullshit.

"Boring defensively". Well we can call it whatever, but we play roughly the same kind of type of tactical system with a 4-4-2 diamond as we did 5 yrs. ago. The only difference is spelled, Zlatan. Off coarse Zlatan makes a great difference, but the tactical system is roughly the same. We saw today how important Zlatan is for the team,though. Both psychologically and also off coarse playingwise. In the first half against Spain we were able to hold the ball on the spaniards half more than in the 2nd half much thanks to The Genius and his strenght as a worldclass targetplayer.With his skill and technique he can hold the ball up better for us. With all due respect to "A.Foley" alias Swedens answer to Jay Leno.

[AxelFoley]

"Boring defensively". Well we can call it whatever, but play roughly the same kind of type of football with a 4-4-2 diamond. The only difference is spelled, Zlatan. But off coarse Zlatan makes a great difference though. We saw today how important he is for the team. Both psychologically and also off coarse playingwise. In the first half against Spain we were able to hold the ball on the spaniards half more than in the 2nd half much thanks to The Genius and his strenght as a worldclass targetplayer. With all due respect to "A.Foley" alias Swedens answer to Jay Leno but I think my assesements here are right,lol.

Could you at least take the time to remove Zlatans nuts before you type? I'm sorry but you are going way too far when you say that Zlatan is the only difference, like he's God. He makes 2 goals and all of a sudden people act like he's been solid in Sweden for the past 3 years when the reality is different.

Yes, yes, Zlatan is a great player in the league-games. In the NT he's not been exceptional.

[ifkgötet]

Could you at least take the time to remove Zlatans nuts before you type? I'm sorry but you are going way too far when you say that Zlatan is the only difference, like he's God. He makes 2 goals and all of a sudden people act like he's been solid in Sweden for the past 3 years when the reality is different.

Yes, yes, Zlatan is a great player in the league-games. In the NT he's not been exceptional.

Being Jay Leno and a moralist at the same time must be hard....

[ifkgötet]

Could you at least take the time to remove Zlatans nuts before you type? I'm sorry but you are going way too far when you say that Zlatan is the only difference, like he's God. He makes 2 goals and all of a sudden people act like he's been solid in Sweden for the past 3 years when the reality is different.

Yes, yes, Zlatan is a great player in the league-games. In the NT he's not been exceptional.

If you saw todays game you will start to realise the importance he has for this team. He is not God. He is just an exceptional player. Let us hope he is fit for the Russia-game.

[AxelFoley]

Being Jay Leno and a moralist at the same time must be hard....

Actually it's quite easy, I've been a smart-ass basically my whole life. But I'm more of a Rodney Dangerfield kind of guy :smoking:

Don't take any offence though, I just really hate this "Zlatan-is-God" bullshit when he hasn't been THAT good in the NT. People have to be real about this. Is Zlatan one of the best players we've ever had in this country? Yes. Has he played to his full potential in the NT? No, not even close.

[AxelFoley]

If you saw todays game you will start to realise the importance he has for this team. He is not God. He is just an exceptional player. Let us hope he is fit for the Russia-game.

He is important, but so is Larsson. How 'bout we suck his schlong for a while? The guy is married after all, so he can't get much of that at home.

[Viking_81]

"Boring defensively". Well we can call it whatever, but we play roughly the same kind of type of tactical system with a 4-4-2 diamond as we did 5 yrs. ago. The only difference is spelled, Zlatan. Off coarse Zlatan makes a great difference, but the tactical system is roughly the same. We saw today how important Zlatan is for the team,though. Both psychologically and also off coarse playingwise. In the first half against Spain we were able to hold the ball on the spaniards half more than in the 2nd half much thanks to The Genius and his strenght as a worldclass targetplayer.With his skill and technique he can hold the ball up better for us. With all due respect to "A.Foley" alias Swedens answer to Jay Leno.

Since you believed that Sweden would lose hard to Greece and Rehagel playing out the Swedish team as a chess game, losing big to the Spaniards and the yet to see Russia match, where you predict 2-2. I don't think your thoughts on a Swedish starting 11 should be taken into account by anyone that wants to see Sweden progress.

Since you think I am being agressive, I have to add a disclaimer. I think you hope for Sweden to perform well as we all do and I have nothing against you or any predictions you've made but your thoughts on a Swedish starting 11 have to be taken lightly.

[ifkgötet]

Actually it's quite easy, I've been a smart-ass basically my whole life. But I'm more of a Rodney Dangerfield kind of guy :smoking:

Don't take any offence though, I just really hate this "Zlatan-is-God" bullshit when he hasn't been THAT good in the NT. People have to be real about this. Is Zlatan one of the best players we've ever had in this country? Yes. Has he played to his full potential in the NT? No, not even close.

Actually I do agree with you sir. He hasn´t really shown his fill potential in the NT. Partly this is due to the fact that he hasn´t been given the kind of classy assists as in Inter.
Hey man I´m just happy we ahve him in the NT. I don´t worship him crazily or anything. (He´s not that good,lol.) Finally he has come alive for us as well. Two goals in two games. Why bench the guy, Alex?! The question is more who should play beside him. Still, what a pitty that Wilhelmsson is out.

[ifkgötet]

Since you believed that Sweden would lose hard to Greece and Rehagel playing out the Swedish team as chess game, losing big to the Spaniards and the yet to see Russia match, where you predict 2-2. I don't think your thoughts on a Swedish starting 11 should be taken into account by anyone that wants to see Sweden progress.

Since you think I am being agressive, I have to add a disclaimer. I think you hope for Sweden to perform well as we all do and I have nothing against you or any predictions you've made but your thoughts on a Swedish starting 11 have to be taken lightly.

I do deserve those remarks from you, Viking. But in all fairness I have been a bit sarkastic in some of those remarks. Being negative like that was my way of dealing with my nervousness before the tournamnet.
I have already appologized to you. Stop whining and let us be friends. You are no master tactician, either I suppose. We are both wannabe coaches here man,lol. But we both chant for Sweden.
I know what this team can perform at best but I actually didn´t think they could perform as well as they have considering their late form coming into the tournament with injuries to prelific players in the team. I am very happy I was wrong.
I hope Stoor continues to play at right defense. Seb in front of him.I think it will be Larsson and Ibra up front (if he´s fit). Shame though that we haven´t taken more use of players like Källström and Elmander (played in the wrong position). But, hey as long as Lagerbäck and the boys go through I am happy. How they do it is secondary.

Cheers my fellow swedes.

[ifkgötet]

He is important, but so is Larsson. How 'bout we suck his schlong for a while? The guy is married after all, so he can't get much of that at home.

I wouldn´t like sucking either his "schlong" or his nose. You seem to have a fetisch for his nose, though.

[AxelFoley]

I wouldn´t like sucking either his "schlong" or his nose. You seem to have a fetisch for his nose, though.

For whose?? I've mentioned Zlatan's nose once, schlong is another word for penis.

Of course, the sucking part is 100% metaphorically ;)

[ifkgötet]

For whose?? I've mentioned Zlatan's nose once, schlong is another word for penis.

Of course, the sucking part is 100% metaphorically ;)

:lol:

[AxelFoley]

Well it's time for this ma to go to bed and forget this day ever happened. 2 blows in 1 day is as much as I can take. May God have mercy on our souls against Russia.

[ifkgötet]

Well it's time for this ma to go to bed and forget this day ever happened. 2 blows in 1 day is as much as I can take. May God have mercy on our souls against Russia.

Amen....:sleepy:

[Vic]

Rosenberg should be our 5th choice in attack, what has he done in the NT? He's not suitable for the Swedish gamestyle, that's soo evident.

Welcome to the forums NiM. :)

[Viking_81]

I do deserve those remarks from you, Viking. But in all fairness I have been a bit sarkastic in some of those remarks. Being negative like that was my way of dealing with my nervousness before the tournamnet.
I have already appologized to you. Stop whining and let us be friends. You are no master tactician, either I suppose. We are both wannabe coaches here man,lol.



I think you took my comment too seriously but when reading it, I can see that it lacked the comical meaning so, my bad. But also, don't take my comments so seriously, I just kid around at times. Feel free to do the same. You have nothing to apologize to me about.

I agree, neither of us are the master tactician, though sometimes one almost thinks a wannabe coach would be the best :(

[Viking_81]

Rosenberg should be our 5th choice in attack, what has he done in the NT? He's not suitable for the Swedish gamestyle, that's soo evident.

Welcome to the forums NiM. :)

Boy are you correct, whatever happened to the order of play of 2004. If things go bad, put in the super-sub. The best goalscorer for Sweden, Allbäck.

As the Euro 2008 is over, I guess that's in the past now.He will be gone so no Swedish Solskjaer anymore.

Rosenberg is a fan favorite of girls only (unfortunately my own gf included)

[AxelFoley]

Boy are you correct, whatever happened to the order of play of 2004. If things go bad, put in the super-sub. The best goalscorer for Sweden, Allbäck.

As the Euro 2008 is over, I guess that's in the past now.He will be gone so no Swedish Solskjaer anymore.

Rosenberg is a fan favorite of girls only (unfortunately my own gf included)

Mine prefer Ljungberg.

[ifkgötet]

I think you took my comment too seriously but when reading it, I can see that it lacked the comical meaning so, my bad. But also, don't take my comments so seriously, I just kid around at times. Feel free to do the same. You have nothing to apologize to me about.

I agree, neither of us are the master tactician, though sometimes one almost thinks a wannabe coach would be the best :(

Ahh, well I have my bad temper that follows me around like a heavy burden on my shoulders. If I only could shrug it away,lol. All the time I felt a bond to you swedes, naturally, in this forum dispite some disagreements here and there.I gave some lousy inappropriate comments before and during the tournament wich off coarse made people wonder a littel,lol. But let us keep together as swedes. We are chanting for this team. I f Greece can win we can win. And we must believe (even pessimistic little I) that we can win a big tournament.
Let us do like the Kalmar team does, tell ourselves and the world that it is us against the world.
My girlfriend has to stop talking about that Wilhelmsson. I´m trying to tell her he´s a midget of a guy. But still she says "Yeah but he is kind of cute, though." WTF!!! :mad2:

[Vic]

Yeah guys let's stick together, I really hope that you guys will stick around cause I've been quite lonley as a Swede around this board.

I'd appriciate it if you guys helped me with the development in the Swedish forum. If anyone of you would like to modarate it (Since I'm a Global Moderator=All sections) and keep it active together with me I would be more than happy. Just give me a PM if anyone of you are interested in such thing.

Just imagine guys, we could make that Swedish forum the best on the Internet. It would be soo cool with some Allsvenskan chat with lot's of Swedish fans and then ofcourse threads about our beloved NT.

Btw I was at a friends house and watched the game against Spain. Those girls were going nuts when Rosenberg came in. I mean Geeezzz.. Ljungberg, Rosenberg, Wilhelmsson.. Lucky bastards!

[ifkgötet]

Lagerbäck is evidently staying at his job-post from what I understand it?! So we are to continue to play this boring football. Please Svff, listen to the swedish people. They want this guy sacked.

[Vic]

Lagrell and those other people in charge are nothing more than pussies. They will do NOTHING even if Lagrell himself finds out that Lagerbäck has been cheating with his wife..

Damnit. I'm pissed off with Lagerbäck!

[Neonite]

Vic, which team are you rooting now for?
And don't blame the coach. He did some things wrong. But the team also played worthless.

-Neon

[Viking_81]

Mine prefer Ljungberg.

Mine jumped ship. She's Japanese and went to the arena (dunno the name) in 2002 to support Sweden and Ljungberg. She was a big Freddie fan but post 2006 it seems to be a new deal. I could respect her when her favorite was Ljungberg but I hang my head in shame as she start to talk about "Markus".

She's still a Ljungberg fan but this damn "Markus" talk is making me irritated. I've told her a million times that Rosenberg has done f.uck all for the Swedish team.

[Viking_81]

Vic, which team are you rooting now for?
And don't blame the coach. He did some things wrong. But the team also played worthless.

-Neon

I think you are wrong. The team played as Lagerbäck directed them to do. It's been dislike brewing within the team about Lagerbäcks tactic and this alone should be enough to fire him. In the 1st half against Spain. Spanish media believed that Sweden was the physically stronger team and that Sweden had the momentum, how come they came out in 2nd half looking like they would be the happiest guys on the planet to get a draw.

I spoke to Spanish fans and they said the exact same thing, if a Spanish team played the way Sweden did in the 2nd half, Spaniards would march out in the streets with torches and pitchforkes (sp?) and I agree. I'm not sad Sweden lost that game since they deserved to lose. We need to get a coach that wants to win games and not secure draws.

As a side-note, who are you to say a team played worthless, Holland got so outplayed it was silly.

[Viking_81]

So what does the future hold for Sweden ?. I think it looks quite dark with Lagerbäck on board. I NEVER had doubts about the Swedish team after the WC 2006 exit but this time it's different.

Lagerbäck just isn't the man to coach this team. The team will not go anywhere with him on board. We need a coach that wants to play attacking football. Sweden has the material to do so. Our defense is poor but all the more reason to focus on the attack. Keeping Källström off the team isn't gonna cut it anymore.

I almost hope Sweden doesn't make it to South Africa so we can get a new coach and start using the quality we have. It's a damn shame and enough to make a grown man cry.

[Neonite]

As a side-note, who are you to say a team played worthless, Holland got so outplayed it was silly.

If you look at the date next time, Holland didn't even played their match against Russia yet. And who are you to tell me I can't say what I think?
I think Sweden played worthless, and thats it. Russia was better in the QF against Holland. And they deserved to win. ;)

-Neon

[Vic]

So what does the future hold for Sweden ?. I think it looks quite dark with Lagerbäck on board. I NEVER had doubts about the Swedish team after the WC 2006 exit but this time it's different.

Lagerbäck just isn't the man to coach this team. The team will not go anywhere with him on board. We need a coach that wants to play attacking football. Sweden has the material to do so. Our defense is poor but all the more reason to focus on the attack. Keeping Källström off the team isn't gonna cut it anymore.

I almost hope Sweden doesn't make it to South Africa so we can get a new coach and start using the quality we have. It's a damn shame and enough to make a grown man cry.

We do need a new gamestyle. I'd like to see a 4-2-3-1 like this.

---------- Isaksson-------------
-Stoor---Maestro-Mellberg--Safari
------Lindgren---Linderoth-------
-Seb Larsson-Källström--Wilhelmsson-
-----------Ibrahimovic--------------

It will be tough to qualify for another big event but I have a feeling that we will rise again and advance somehow. There's too much talent in this team that we can advance even if we have a clown as a Coach.

Looking forward to the qualifying games.

[Viking_81]

If you look at the date next time, Holland didn't even played their match against Russia yet. And who are you to tell me I can't say what I think?
I think Sweden played worthless, and thats it. Russia was better in the QF against Holland. And they deserved to win. ;)

-Neon

Never checked the date mate. Though I think it was you talking to Vic earlier on about how Holland would rape Sweden or Russia in a QF and then with your comment, I thought it seemed unfitting (though as I said earlier, missed the date of your post)

And I agree 100%, Sweden played worthless and Russia deserved to win.

[Viking_81]

We do need a new gamestyle. I'd like to see a 4-2-3-1 like this.

---------- Isaksson-------------
-Stoor---Maestro-Mellberg--Safari
------Lindgren---Linderoth-------
-Seb Larsson-Källström--Wilhelmsson-
-----------Ibrahimovic--------------

It will be tough to qualify for another big event but I have a feeling that we will rise again and advance somehow. There's too much talent in this team that we can advance even if we have a clown as a Coach.

Looking forward to the qualifying games.


I think....the player material is better than we think it is. Scratch "Aftonbladets" polls "Who is the worlds greatest player" and the choices are Messi, Cristiano or Zlatan, which was put up in oct/nov 07. Scratch all media overrating the team and I still think the team is better than they are being giving credit for by lagerbäck. There is creativity here but let them work dammit!

Lastly, I think your starting 11 is strange :) , it's experimental and it would fit quite alright for a training match. Well I guess we were bound to disagree about something ;)