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FR Sloboda

03-20-2008, 01:12 PM

The BNP are good becuase they give more power to patriotic Brits.

i went to High school in London, England and i was disgusted becuase there was no British patriotism shown by the schools becuase it was run in a predominantly asian area.

And in school they always made racist remarks about Cockney Londenrs and about white people in general saying things like snow man, cracker etc.

and they did not get exluded even the english teachers did not do anything.

if i said something back as i am a holder of a British passport, they would of exluded me - so pathetic.

ps: all there kids were allowed to carry the flags of their home countries - India, China etc but if i waved a British flag i would have got kicked out in the race relations act.

i hate at how we the caucasian people get in trouble for racism but nothing happens to the non-caucasians when they say remarks like "snow man" etc.

New Labour, Lib dems aka - puff dems and the Conservitaves are Traitors.

ulster21

03-20-2008, 01:16 PM

what is most pathetic about Britain is that people can not even wave the Union Jack anymore without being accused of racism!! People can not wave their own flag anymore, true insanity!!

Pape

03-20-2008, 03:19 PM

im ashamed off the european union nations in general, you guys deserted what's right and wrong and chose the american way

its only a matter of time before this all fails

ulster21

03-20-2008, 07:53 PM

im ashamed off the european union nations in general, you guys deserted what's right and wrong and chose the american way

its only a matter of time before this all fails

MULTI-CULTURAL societies do not work.... look at Bosnia, Northern Ireland, even teh fall of the Roman Empire can be blamed on the fact that the empire got too big and the majority of its citizens considered themselves something other than Romans. A nation can not survive without a sense of shared culture and traditions. England & Western Europe will soon learn this fact....the liberals in England & Western Europe clearly have chosen to ignore history and try to create this "new world order" which is nothing but a "sick society" Fundamentalist muslims and the west will not be able to co-exist....it may not be that destructive now yet when these muslims creep closer & closer to being the majority popualtion in a country the conflict will explode.

Pape

03-20-2008, 10:00 PM

will you be pissed if serbia, russia, spain, romania, greece, india, china recognizes these countries the minorities try to carve out off your state and than claim independence too? and than if you comply and let them have it you can join the eastern union

i say a big old f**k to the europe and the european union (until you wake up and go back to being who you are)

respect to this BNP, even if they hate me i love them for loving themselves

Almir11

03-20-2008, 10:08 PM

MULTI-CULTURAL societies do not work.... look at Bosnia, Northern Ireland, even teh fall of the Roman Empire can be blamed on the fact that the empire got too big and the majority of its citizens considered themselves something other than Romans. A nation can not survive without a sense of shared culture and traditions. England & Western Europe will soon learn this fact....the liberals in England & Western Europe clearly have chosen to ignore history and try to create this "new world order" which is nothing but a "sick society" Fundamentalist muslims and the west will not be able to co-exist....it may not be that destructive now yet when these muslims creep closer & closer to being the majority popualtion in a country the conflict will explode.

shut ur god damn mouth why the ***k u hating so much on Muslim's !!!

Bosanac

03-20-2008, 10:18 PM

P.S. Can you sticky this thread please? I think it's very important.

No, I'm sorry.

SFN will not be affiliated with any type of a political party.

aslanlar

03-20-2008, 10:22 PM

cuz he's a racist jackass.

Bosanac

03-20-2008, 10:24 PM

MULTI-CULTURAL societies do not work.... look at Bosnia, Northern Ireland, even teh fall of the Roman Empire can be blamed on the fact that the empire got too big and the majority of its citizens considered themselves something other than Romans. A nation can not survive without a sense of shared culture and traditions. England & Western Europe will soon learn this fact....the liberals in England & Western Europe clearly have chosen to ignore history and try to create this "new world order" which is nothing but a "sick society" Fundamentalist muslims and the west will not be able to co-exist....it may not be that destructive now yet when these muslims creep closer & closer to being the majority popualtion in a country the conflict will explode.

Comparing the Roman Empire with todays society is short-sighted ulster. People weren't as smart nor as tolerant of other races in that point of time as they are today. Thankfully, evolution took care of that. ;)

Hell man, maybe you are from the Roman Empire. :lol:

I mean, wow at that post ulster. Calling a society sick because they think all people are equal is.. ludicrious and extremely racist. :stop:

PAO_HELLAS

03-20-2008, 10:27 PM

what is most pathetic about Britain is that people can not even wave the Union Jack anymore without being accused of racism!! People can not wave their own flag anymore, true insanity!!

Unfortunately this happens in a lot of European nations, not just Britain. In the name of liberalism, their governments practice the most fascist tactics in order to blot out anything related with the value of the Nation and set the globalist society. People had enough though, this is not going to continue for much time.

Bosanac

03-20-2008, 10:33 PM

I can't believe some people actually agree with you.

You know call me racist, but in my opinion..it is your kind of people that create most of these conflicts and are the reason for all the "insanity".

Can't you just live in peace without moaning about what other races are doing while in the same time ignoring what yours is doing?

We, muslims, are the way we are because you guys can't take a look at us without judging us first. All we do is want to fit in, but how can we when the second we say we're muslim.. you are instantly reminded of terrorist attacks.

Never even thought of the reason why these terrorists were Muslim, but by being the most outcasted race in the World at the moment.. It is the perfect weapon for terrorists to use as a cause for their insanisty. At the same time, everything works out for the rest of the people because as the way western media portrays it.. it proves them right and gives even more reason to keep judging and being afraid of Islam.

We are not the Nazi here.. Take a hard look in the mirror.

DelijaZauvjek

03-20-2008, 10:35 PM

What I will never understand is why we have to have politics everywhere we go.
This is a sports forum guys. I really don't understand why we have to discuss politics all the time. It just causes anger and frustrations in people that they begin to hate each other.

Bosanac

03-20-2008, 10:44 PM

Yeah, I agree Delija. But this is actually the only place where discussing politics is allowed in the forum.

Pape

03-20-2008, 10:47 PM

I don't think the idea of "BNP" is to hate Muslims or other people. It is also not attacking a specific group off people in general. In my point off view they are only concentrated with protecting their culture and their nation and themselves, the true people who built their nation. If you blame them for that than you really have to look at yourself and re-evaluvate your own opinions.

I know for a fact that if you went to Iran tommorow, started waving the British flag and looked down on the Iranian citizens and stared at them and gave them looks because they had a Iranian flag your ass wouldn't stay healthy for too long. Same goes for most other non-western nations around the world whether it be Christian Russia or Hindu India or Muslim Iran.

As far as equal human rights, yeah we can all be good neighboors, trade with each other, play sports with each others, but lets keep it at that if we truely want to keep it fair for both sides.

Bosanac

03-20-2008, 10:52 PM

Than why do they call themselves a modern civilization, Pape? If it bothers them so much, why don't they make up their government and live like the Countries that preserve their culture? Like Greece, or Turkey.

You want to have a progressive government, but are not ready for the sacrifice it requires.

Make up your god damn mind.

Pape

03-21-2008, 05:35 AM

They call themselves a modern civilization because they are hard headed and refuse to accept the fact that they could be perhaps wrong? every once in a while. My dad has always taught me, there's nothing worse than thinking that you know everything, that kind off thing is what I'm talking about.

So now what I think is happening they chose this path, or their idea off a "progressive government" and they are perhaps realizing that finally have a problem. I say that because off the gaining popularity off the "BNP" who of course will probably be shut down untill the problem heavily damages Britain, in which the country will finally realize this and that is judging from history.

Either way, the large opposition the majority off people in Europe have felt torwards their government big decisions is a sign that brings a bit off a smile to my face even if it doesn't favor me. One day perhaps we can have old Europe back and Europe can make its own decisions based on what its people feel and not end up in unwanted and unjustified wars/conflicts around the world, and not end up with unwanted domestic problems.

Did I just say that there is no democracy in Europe? pretty much

Democracy in the west today is something more off a fairytail than reality put on the people to carry in their heads while the governments as we see do everything against the majority will.

Just look at the U.S.A. today, everyday I watch these democratic elections. If a candidate wins the majority popular vote he STILL hasn't won the race. If the candidate wins the majority delegates, he STILL hasn't won the race. Than it goes to some super delagate which nobody understands and no clear winner comes out of it. Than of course corporate american probably sits down on the round table and chooses their candidate and people are preached hwo succesfull, patriotic, democratic, and "American" the elections were.

poop :D

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 05:43 AM

I don't think so, Pape. For all of that to happen, what they took as oath will have to change.

You're talking about a revolution, and I don't see that big of a problem in Britain (or any other western Country for that matter) to call them revolutionary. Some of their people just moan too much, pointlessly.

When you moan about other races while your Country is about the 'modern civilization', you are not being the patriot you think you are.

You know, when a Country makes themselves about being a progressive government and stands for that long of time for that, it's almost impossible for that country to change. Germany is an exception, but you see what happened when racist people took over. The rest of the World simply won't allow it.

The only current revolutionary people that I see are Muslims, and I mean all of them. Not Terrorists. In my opinion, if anything happens.. it will be done by Muslims. They will finally stand up and do something about what is being done to them.

And if that happens, I say.. be afraid. Very afraid, because we're talking about a third World War.

Because what is being done to Muslims is an actual problem, not some made-up fairy tale about not being able to wave your own flag in your own Country. And, it is being done around the whole World.. not just in one Country.

I just don't think the western countries will have the 'balls' to change after promising their people freedom and equal rights. Especially after making their country the freedom-land, "the point of why it was made". No Country can take such a drastic change.

Not a single Country in Western Europe, nor The US.

ulster21

03-21-2008, 12:45 PM

Can't you just live in peace without moaning about what other races are doing while in the same time ignoring what yours is doing?

Live in peace when muslims in English cities are marching and saying that they want Sharia law in England?? Live in peace when the proportion of crime committed by Pakistani's is so much higher than whites in Britain and your supposed to pretend that it is not the case??

I have no problem with countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc.. those are muslim countries and have their own culture...they should not be told what is right and how they should act by Westerners....yet what I do have a problem with is muslims coming to western countries and telling us how our culture should be and when muslims come to the west and say that we have to adapt to their culture when they should have to adapt to our culture. England should have English culture along with Saudi Arabia having Saudi Arabian culture!!

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 01:24 PM

I am not going to argue with you whether it's 'a hard life' or not, because honestly I can't and won't put myself in your situation. I'm just making an observation.

England has done so much, for so long to be a part of a western civilization and now that you're there.. you don't want it. You're moaning about it. You completely oppose it.

Don't tell me it's the politicians fault that this happened or anything. Through-out history, it was 'the people' of Britain that made this happen. You made decisions on who is going to be the next president, you made the decision for which party will best represent and run the Country. It was those combinations of elections every election period that made the Country become what it is today.

And now, all of a sudden.. You're saying, I don't like this. I want a revolution. I want a civil war.

You know what will happen when 'peoples government' divides into two?

Bam! You're outta here (or there). Whichever, I'm speaking from 'experience'.

I think it's better to shut the hell up, than to cry about your own mistakes. Eventhough I don't agree it's a mistake to begin with. I, for one, am tolerant of other races.

I can look through people's prejudgment that the World has thought me. I can relate to most people out there, in one way or another. I can even relate to you, through football.

Thanks to western civilizations, people are able to get away from their pointless civil wars, or horrible lives. I can even talk to you, eventhough you are this racist towards my kind.

Maybe I'm just not a cry-baby like you, or maybe I'm just simply not a racist. But what you need to do is try to become like me. Because.. I am the modern civilization. You are not, my friend.

But, you know..

That doesn't bother me all that much. What bothers me most, is that you come to a multi-cultural 'football' forum and cry about other races. Could you, really, have picked a worse type of a forum to carry out your agenda? Aren't there any revolutionary based political forums on the internet? Because in all honesty, I really think that's where you belong.

ulster21

03-21-2008, 02:46 PM

poutismalakas

03-21-2008, 04:19 PM

Well I do feel that ANYONE who says that they want to turn a nation into something else ie islamic emirite of England is committing treason or calling for the overthrow of a nation and be should jailed and/or deported!!!

CambriaFan

03-21-2008, 04:30 PM

poutismalakas

03-21-2008, 04:53 PM

well Turkey forced out the Greeks who lived in Turkley for thousands of years! The Greeks forced out the Turks who lived in Greece for hundreds! the Us moved natives out of land they have lived in tens of thousands of years! From my understanding the BNP would want to kick people out who are pain in the asses ie Treasonous Imams, criminals, honor killers and rapists etc..

Corporal punishment in schools in against! It is the parent's job to punish their childern!

The death penalty Im for!

Against refusing aid IMO is wrong along with the peace keeping!

As far as the organization part it depends what it is?

ulster21

03-21-2008, 05:20 PM

The woman in the clip said that people who condemned the BNP don't know their policies. I do know several of the BNP policies and for anyone who doesn't here they are;

1) Deportation of British people who have lived here for generations just because of their colour.
2) Withdrawal of aid to famine and war-torn countries.
3) Stopping British forces from peace-keeping missions in unstable regions.
4) Withdrawal from all international organisations.
5) Corporal punishment in schools.
6) Reintroduction of the death penalty.

Now I'm no expert but some of those must fall into the categories of racism and facism - 2 things the BNP has denied involvement with. I believe in a open democratic society so people are welcome to support any of the above but I would be opposed to all of them.

After reading the liberal ideologies of you and Andygers...I would make the conclusion that Scotland is doomed.

-British soldiers should not be the policemen of the world.
-The British countries should keep their soveringty
-The governements role is to protect the british people and for the good of the british people....it is not too give tax dollars away to other countries. They can encourage british citizens too give money to charities that help other countries yet they should not have the authority to give away large amounts of taxpayers money to go to foreign countries. Individual citizens should determine how their money is spent.

Saraj Fanático

03-21-2008, 05:43 PM

I watch this and I have to say I completly agree with that woman. She made a magnificent point which really makes me wonder. You have too much segregation going on in such countries. Its has almost become a shame to be white in those nations. Black this and Black that. Honestly they are the racists if anything. All such movements should be abolished. And I am really ashamed of those certain Muslims there stating how Britain should be a Muslim state and going as far as threatening it with attacks. My god you live in that nation, your a part of it for the love of sanity. I think the problem is too much Freedom. In my opinion all those certain people who support race segregation and religious segregation should be kicked out of the country. Lets be honest, let me use my fellow Bosnians as an example, you don't like it when Serbs call Bosnia a part of Serbia, why would you think Brits do not feel the same way about their situation?

Pape

03-21-2008, 05:46 PM

These "peace-keeping" missions and "policing" missions are a complete joke and waste off time. We have just seen the collapse off the UN in the last month and quite possibly NATO soon here in the next couple of months. And I know you are not wanted in any war-torn nations when they don't trust your governments and 99% off the time they believe you mastermind the war that has "torn" them apart.

There go 3 off your problems with that policy.

2) Withdrawal of aid to famine and war-torn countries.
3) Stopping British forces from peace-keeping missions in unstable regions.
4) Withdrawal from all international organisations.

Great policy for the British people, the other 3 are your domestic problems and it's a shame for the people that will be faced with that first one.

Pape

03-21-2008, 06:07 PM

Lets be honest, let me use my fellow Bosnians as an example, you don't like it when Serbs call Bosnia a part of Serbia, why would you think Brits do not feel the same way about their situation?

:fireball::split::bloody::boom::madgrin::Pray2:

the day you learn, you can tell a kid that a apple is a orange but eventually the kid will learn...

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 06:38 PM

- Tolerance is weakness, not something to be proud of.
- The new progressive society you speak of is not something I believe in...Western Europe is falling apart and there are many problems that you ignore in regards to mass immigration into another country. Holland, Sweden and many countries are now questioning the "new experimental societies" and the impact they are having and if western culture and fundamentalist islam can coexist in the same country. Riots in Denmark, Riots in France, killing of Theo Van Gogh etc......why do you ignore these problems Bosanac?

Those aren't problems. Those are what your imaginary mind bind reality to be, it doesn't have to necessarily mean that it is the truth. Or that Islam is the purpose. Maybe we all just blame Muslims for all our short-comings..

We are all such smart people, right? We would tell Politicians how to do their job. We would do it in a football forum, and in a way to insult other people. Because that is really our purpose, because we are pissed off at the world. We want to get back at them for our personal inadequacies.

Hell, maybe Saraj Fanatico is right. Maybe the racist group of the modern civilization is just that, cursed with too much freedom. With nothing to do on their hands than judging anything that they can spawn their little minds on, despite how small the thinking may be.

It's pathetic.

Since you guys are all so smart, why not do something about it? Why exhibit so much wuss-ness and make your point about the current Political world in a football forum.

No balls?

Or maybe you know that the fact is, most people will not abide with your mind that is made up of racist mottos. >

"-Tolerance is weakness.
-The new society does not work. "

Yup, most people will just label you as racist and get on with their lives. Maybe its my fault, maybe I'm trying to make you my good deed of the day.

Or is it that.. maybe you know, if racist people took over.. you will be held in contempt for literally expressing your opinion?

See, this is what is twisted about this whole thing. You ask for a single minded democry, or in other words.. Nazism. But if I banned you now for example, for being racist.. you would cry about me being a Nazi.

:tsk:

As you can tell, I have a reason to do anything I want. :sad:

Why put yourself in my mercy?

Hell, or even better..

Why not just agree on the fact that the World is not perfect, and try to make the most out of it?

CambriaFan

03-21-2008, 11:56 PM

After reading the liberal ideologies of you and Andygers...I would make the conclusion that Scotland is doomed.

Scotland is the last remaining left-wing stronghold of the UK. Here there is still the Thatcher-hating, union power, working-class mentality that used to make up much of our nation.

Elsewhere in Britain it has become socially acceptable to support privatisation of the once-great public services just so the middle classes get tax cuts and can buy a second or even third home in Southern France. The same can be said for casual racism in 'Middle England'. Political correctness is a ridiculous example of overly paranoid politicians trying to stop themselves from looking bad. But the media here has used the mocking of PC to promote a backlash - a worryingly increasing attitude of 'im not racist but.....'. If you have to keep saying that in conversation - then face it, you're racist.

Scotland has its problems - we know that. And its not a leftie's ideal home. Some of the old Labour voters have right-wing views on crime etc but at least a higher percentage of Scots still stand for the morally liberal values that Brits used to have - on nuclear weapons, NHS and education. I'm pretty proud of that.

-British soldiers should not be the policemen of the world.
-The British countries should keep their soveringty
-The governements role is to protect the british people and for the good of the british people....it is not too give tax dollars away to other countries. They can encourage british citizens too give money to charities that help other countries yet they should not have the authority to give away large amounts of taxpayers money to go to foreign countries. Individual citizens should determine how their money is spent.

Some of the best achievements come from taxing the rich for the benefit of the poor - e.g. the National Health Service. This is the same, except it just happens to cross borders in the process. I believe it is the duty of the privileged to give to the poor so governments of the developed world should help the developing nations. After all, our nations our responsible for much of the troubles in the world....

Bosanac

03-22-2008, 02:28 AM

Cambria, I really don't think it's wise to argue with people like ulster. They don't really care about the other side of the story, all they care about is their agenda.

I mean, clearly, they won't tolerate the other side. "It's a sign of weakness"

I know I'm doing it, but I didn't realize he was to this extreme when I began. My point is, basically, you don't have to be as dumb as I can be. :sad:

CambriaFan

03-22-2008, 10:59 PM

Thanks for the advice Bos but i believe that its important to challenge people's opinions when you don't agree.

Ulster might have some rational reason for his opinions (although i doubt it :rolleyes:) or he might just give the crap he replied to you with. If that happens he'll look like an idiot and I can deal with that :)...

Bosanac

03-22-2008, 11:48 PM

Fair enough :)

Panathinaikos2

04-19-2008, 12:33 AM

If we go by the ideas of Bosanac, then the whole world will be multicultural and subjects to globolism. Not to mention there will be no host culture or heritage in any nation and all patriotism will be lost! Howevor if we go by the ideas of Ulster, every country will be able to keep its culture and heritage and resist American globolism! What Ulster says is not rascist in my oppinion but how things should be! Every country in this world should be alligned to their culture and heritage and the national interests of their native population first and then the rest. This is what I believe.

CambriaFan

04-23-2008, 11:30 PM

"We cannot acknowledge allegience to any human government. Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind." William Lloyd Garrison

Peace out ;) :)

The Joker

04-23-2008, 11:34 PM

ulster21

04-26-2008, 09:06 PM

Top post. :star:

Dupont....you seem to contradict yourself alot...I can not tell whether you lean to the liberal or conservative sides

The Joker

04-27-2008, 05:34 AM

Dupont....you seem to contradict yourself alot...I can not tell whether you lean to the liberal or conservative sides

Nope not contradict. I lean more to the conservative side, but there is some liberal in me. :ronaldo:

I definitely agree with a lot of your thoughts. Especially on multi culturism. I read last week that school children from Bradford had their St Georges Day parade cancelled by lunatic school leaders as it might have offended muslims. I am like WTF this is England! :sad:

I am heavily Rangers, but don't hold a grudge against catholics in general.

However, I don't like ultra liberals, Cherie Blair, Barack Obama, George Bush or Jon Gaunt.

Does that help you?