Russian-Georgian war in Abkhazia and its results.

[Georgius]

I want everyone to know about it... :sad:

RUSSIAN-GEORGIAN WAR IN AUTONOMOUS REPUBLIC OF ABKHAZIA (APKHAZETI)


1992-93 ETHNIC CLEANSING OF GEORGIANS IN ABKHAZIA (APKHAZETI) -10 Official Documentary Videos

The Ethnic Cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia (Apkhazeti), forced mass expulsion of thousands of ethnic Georgians living in Abkhazia Apkhazeti (de jure Autonomous Republic in Georgia) during the Georgian-Abkhazian conflict of 1991-1993 and 1998. About 30,000 Georgians were killed by the Abkhazian separatists, foreign mercenaries, and, allegedly, by Russian Federation forces.

The ethnic cleansing and massacres of Georgians has been officially recognized by the OSCE convention in 1994 and again in 1996 during the Budapest summit and condemned the "perpetrators of war crimes committed during the conflict." On July 8, 2004 prosecutors at the Hague-based UN International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) made the almost unprecedented decision to launch an investigation about genocide and crimes against humanity in Abkhazia. The ICTY was provided with the documents selected from the 300 volumes of evidence about the genocide of Georgians in Abkhazia. These materials were collected by the Georgian Prosecutors' Office beginning in 1993 and allegedly contain horrific accounts of atrocities committed by the Abkhaz fighters, mercenaries from Russia and Russian regular army troops. The reports included a detailed description of how the separatists played soccer with the heads of dead Georgians on the field after the executions in Gagra.

Documentary film based on official facts and evidences:
RUSSIAN-GEORGIAN 1992-93 WAR IN APKHAZIA

აფხაზეთი, სისხლიანი სეზონი.
Abkhazia, The Bloody Season.

part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXPrJrt6qWM)
part2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHtjvE1K1bY)
part3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ELrqvslz8)
part4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA2AoVX1r2c)
part5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWe6VNKxHek)

Exclusive Video What North Caucasian Hired Fighters, Chechen Terrorists And Russian Troops Did in Georgia! You May Watch It Here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkY4_G8PR4)

[FR Sloboda]

what i do not get is why would the cechnyens join the Russians in attacks against the Georgians.

is the president of Chechnya a Putin puppet that would attack innocent Georgians if asked.

Georgia has now a more modernised army which can repel a Russian invasion with the help of people army volunteers. - u guys are joining nato soon aswell.

[ulster21]

what i do not get is why would the cechnyens join the Russians in attacks against the Georgians.

That is what confused me the most as well.

[ARBANITAI]

sounds quit unbelivable to me too ..

in the end, is there really any evidence outhere, that the chechens really joined the RUSSIANS in attacks against Georgia !?:rolleyes:

[Georgius]

ARBANITAI
[B]Is there really any evidence outhere, that the Chechens really joined the RUSSIANS in attacks against Georgia !?
Of course, there are found too many corpses of dead Chechen fighters in the battlefield. There are a lot of evidences that killed Chechens were having Russian passports issued by Ministry of Internal Affairs of Republic of Chechnya. There also exists audio records of speaking in Chechnian language in the battlefield. Apart from these concrete evidences there are many indirect facts that show same, such as photos and eye-witness interviews. But the main thing is that itself Chechens don't refuse that they participated in massacres against Georgians and now consider it as a very big mistake.:sad:

P.S. Of course basic orginizers of massacre were Russians and Chechens only were used by Russians against Georgia...

[FR Sloboda]

i think that the President of Chechneya and his father are puppits of Putin and the Russian goverment.


so basically the Chechneyns are having a civil war, pro Russians v Pro Independence and so are the Georgians, pro west Georgians v pro Russian Abkhazians.

which means that these conflicts are probaly inter - connected.

but anyway the Russians are having a hard time in Chechneya so what can they possibley do to the Georgians who have a well equpied armed forces and police to repel a Russian invasion.

[Georgius]

Ja Sam Seljak

Georgia has now a more modernised army which can repel a Russian invasion with the help of people army volunteers. - u guys are joining nato soon aswell.
Yes, of course.
Now we have very strong army and police equipped with modern weapons.

This year (2008) our military budget is 1.5 billion and it is more than military expenditures of Serbia.

Our Army completely meets the standarts of NATO. I hope Georgia will be invited for MAP (membership action plan) in December. (NATO ministerial)

[ARBANITAI]

Good to hear that .

though i heard also, Russia even strongly oppose Georgia's entry in NATO , and as well as that of Ukraine's , And France and Germany either won't back Ukraines and Georgia NATO bids RighT now. :/

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[Panathinaikos2]

There have also been Soviet ethnic cleansing of Greeks during the Stalin era that not many people know of. But I do not hold this against the Russians as Stalin was a crazy man that killed over 30 million of his own people!

[ulster21]

There have also been Soviet ethnic cleansing of Greeks during the Stalin era that not many people know of. But I do not hold this against the Russians as Stalin was a crazy man that killed over 30 million of his own people!

Georguis let me ask you a question.....If Russians hate Georgians so much then how did Stalin(Jugashvili) rise to power?

[FR Sloboda]

i believe that Stalin was a good man as he made peace with Turkey, and other nieghboring countries. Also i like the way how he crushed The Armenian orthodox church movements.

[Panathinaikos2]

i believe that Stalin was a good man as he made peace with Turkey, and other nieghboring countries. Also i like the way how he crushed The Armenian orthodox church movements.Yes and the fact that he killed more than 20 million people and let his son to die in a concentration camp also makes him good :boo: ?? Or mabey you have a certain bias Orthodox hatred and you took great joy in what he did to these Orthodox movements :mad2:

[Saraj Fanático]

@JSS: Stalin, good man!?? When this man would make a appearance to give a speech his own generals were so afraid of him that they wouldn't stop clapping for him. This man killed thousands of monks, and priests in order to rid of any objection to him not being the highest power in the universe!

Anyways the Chechen involvement confused me also, obviously not because of the later events occurring in the region in 94 and 99 but because Stalin actually killed off much of the Chechen population in his time in fear of their ties to Nazi Germany. They could have done it to have an easier way out of the Federation.

[FR Sloboda]

Look guys i did not mean to say that Stalin was a good man and he killed thousands of good people, pro democratic reform as well which was wrong.

but i said he was good for the Russian people as he was against Radical church movements Like the Armenian church movement which wanted Russia to have a conflict with their Turkish neighbors, but Stalin did not like the Armenian radicals - so Stalin decided to make peace with Turkey which was good and Crushed the Armenian orthodox movement, which was not good for them and the Greeks but it was good for the Russian people and Slavs in general.

[Georgius]

ulster21
Georguis let me ask you a question..... If Russians hate Georgians so much then how did Stalin(Jugashvili) rise to power?

Joseph Stalin was ethnical Georgian, his original name is Ioseb Jugashvili (English) and იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი (Georgian), but despite his ethnicity and nationality he was doing everything for Russians and Soviet Union. He was trying to consider himself as Russian. Despite the fact that both of his parents where Georgian, he was born in Georgia (Gori town), having Georgian surname and his native language was Georgian, he often said that he was Russian. "I am Russian man" - he repeated very often.

Because of Joseph Stalin we lost indepenedence in 1922 and forced to enter Soviet Union.

Accept from above-mentioned facts I won't say so openly that Russian people hate Georgian people, it won't be true, but because of Russian government and ex-KGB powers in Russian politics, we had military conflict which is depicted at the begining of this thread.

[Georgius]

ARBANITAI
though i heard also, Russia even strongly oppose Georgia's entry in NATO , and as well as that of Ukraine's , And France and Germany either won't back Ukraines and Georgia NATO bids RighT now

You are right but there is big hope that situation will change by December and Georgia will be invited for MAP.