US embassy in Belgrade attacked /Demonstrations in Serbia

[Bosnian Unit]

US embassy in Belgrade attacked


Several hundred protesters have attacked the US and other embassies in Serbia's capital in anger at Western support for Kosovo's independence.
Protesters broke into the US compound and briefly set part of the embassy alight. Firemen later found an unidentified charred body inside.

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Police were not guarding the embassy at the time

The UK, Belgian, Croatian and Turkish missions were also attacked.

The violence followed a peaceful rally earlier by at least 150,000 people outside the main parliament building.

The US, UK, Germany and Italy are among those to have recognised Kosovo.


As long as we live, Kosovo is Serbia - Kosovo belongs to the Serbian people
Vojislav Kostunica


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The BBC's Nick Hawton in Belgrade says smoke and tear gas are drifting across the main square, where Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica earlier delivered an impassioned speech condemning the territory's secession.

Most Serbs regard Kosovo as their religious and cultural heartland.

Mr Kostunica told the flag-waving crowd that Serbia was the only country being put under pressure by Western powers to give up its identity.

Ripped flag

The United States expressed outrage at the attack. The US ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, said he would call on the UN to also condemn the violence.

He said he wanted to remind "the Serb government of its responsibility to protect diplomatic facilities".



Serbian President Boris Tadic appealed for calm.

"This only keeps Kosovo distant from Serbia," he said.

About 1,000 protesters attacked the building, throwing flares through the window while others scaled walls to rip down the US flag.

At the time there appeared to be no police protecting the embassy, but riot police later intervened firing tear gas.

The fires raged for half an hour, and when firemen finally managed to get inside the building they found a charred body.

The body has not been identified, though US officials said all embassy staff had been accounted for.

Several other embassies were also attacked by crowds. There are reports of various businesses and restaurants being attacked and flames billowing from some of the premises.

Correspondents say ambulances have been travelling across Belgrade and there are reports of up to 100 people having been injured.

Serbia, supported by Russia and China, says Kosovo's Sunday declaration violates international law.

Mr Kostunica addressed the crowds from a large stage, saying: "As long as we live, Kosovo is Serbia. Kosovo belongs to the Serbian people."

"We'll never give up Kosovo, never!" the crowd responded.


"Is there any other nation on Earth from whom [the great powers] are demanding that they give up their identity, to give up our brothers in Kosovo?" he added.

Ultra-nationalist leader Tomislav Nikolic accused the US and EU of trying to steal Kosovo.

"We will not rest until Kosovo is again under Serbia's control," he said.

"Hitler could not take it away from us, and neither will today's [Western powers]."

After the speeches, the crowd marched to the city's biggest church, the Temple of Saint Sava.

Border protest

Thick, black smoke had also earlier billowed from the crossing point at Merdare, 50km (30 miles) north-east of Kosovo's capital Pristina, as Serb army reservists tried to enter Kosovo.
KOSOVO PROFILE
Population about two million
Majority ethnic Albanian; 10% Serb
Under UN control since Nato drove out Serb forces in 1999
2,000-strong EU staff to take over from UN after independence
Recognised by US, UK, Germany, Italy and France
Not recognised by Russia, Spain, Slovakia, Cyprus
Nato to stay to provide security


Country profile: Kosovo
Tense confusion on border

"We are here in support of the Serbs who still live in Kosovo," Dejan Milosevic, one of the organisers, told the Associated Press news agency.

The Kosovo police, backed by Czech troops from the Nato-led peacekeeping force, put a steel barrier across the road and were able to hold their line.

Protest rallies were also held in the Bosnian Serb republic (Republika Srpska). There were unconfirmed reports of injuries as several hundred protesters clashed with police outside the US consulate in Banja Luka.

In the coming weeks, an almost 2,000-strong EU mission will be deployed to help the country develop its police force and judiciary.

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Can someone move this thread into Politics section please ?

I didnt want to post it there, becouse sometimes these people need 2 days to approve new thread :boo:!

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[nb-legenda]

up to 100 people having been injured.

"We will not rest until Kosovo is again under Serbia's control," he said.

"Hitler could not take it away from us, and neither will today's [Western powers]."

this is actually serious... those pictures look like it's a war. There's a blown up upside down car there as well. The national football team of Serbia might be disqualified from World Cup. I hope the situation will get better. This has gone too off hand. this might mean World War 3 because it's Russia and China against the west. yeah laugh now... but it can happen. In World War I, the war started with a single bullet shot also from a Serbian. What makes you think this isn't going to be a dynamo effect yet again?? this is where nuclear bombs come in.

[nb-legenda]

If Greece supports Serbia... then Greece might come in. This is where the west comes in and possibly Turkey and maybe Bosnia if Republika Srpska comes in as well. Then Russia and China are against USA, Germany, France, etc. Then Iran joins the Communists while Israel helps the west. Then there's a conflict between Israel and Iran and nuclear bombs, etc etc etc I guess in the future... only Australia will be left untouched lol.

[ARBANITAI]

Their only making it hard and worse for them selfes, their not harming Kosova (dardania) or Albanians at any case..

Kosova is an independent country now, and is beeing recognized by eu countries every day more and more..

Kosovars dont care what they do in belgrade, they can burn it all up if they want, and next day clean their mess again, and burn it all over, and so on, Kosova is an sovereign independent country, recognized by majority and they dont mind what they do in serbia ...

[Saraj Fanático]

Nermin, Russia, China, Bosnia, US, Turkey, and Greece aren't going to war over Kosovo. That is stupidity and fantasies. There is no war, maybe a bunch of riots ruining Serb infrastructure but this won't leak into other nations except BiH but no chain reaction will occur off course. In Banja Luka there were some protests also but thankfully the police stopped the rioters from getting to the US embassy.

All this is doing is making a bad Serb image. If I were a Serb I wouldn't really celebrate this in any way. As a matter of fact, the majority of Serbs shouldn't be blamed for this. Sadly nobody is giving Media attention to the peaceful Serbs. This was just an event of hooligans gone wild. I hope the situation in Belgrade stabilizes, this youth has destroyed a lot of property.

[Bosnian Unit]

By majority, you mean just 5-10 nations ?

Its not gonna be good man, i can tell you that ! USA is busy all over the world, Serbs might have chance to do something !

To take big steps, first you have to take small steps......just like these demonstrations !

This situation can take most of this region into another hell, meybe even the whole world :sad:!

[nb-legenda]

It has taken the world already once when a single bullet shot from the Black Hand. Austria and Serbia got to war... leading to 20 other nations getting to war. This is a whole new nation being created here. A nation that Serbia wants back and they are motivated into doing anything to get Kosovo back in control. There will be a chain reaction.

[nb-legenda]

Nermin, Russia, China, Bosnia, US, Turkey, and Greece aren't going to war over Kosovo. That is stupidity and fantasies. There is no war, maybe a bunch of riots ruining Serb infrastructure but this won't leak into other nations except BiH but no chain reaction will occur off course. In Banja Luka there were some protests also but thankfully the police stopped the rioters from getting to the US embassy.

All this is doing is making a bad Serb image. If I were a Serb I wouldn't really celebrate this in any way. As a matter of fact, the majority of Serbs shouldn't be blamed for this. Sadly nobody is giving Media attention to the peaceful Serbs. This was just an event of hooligans gone wild. I hope the situation in Belgrade stabilizes, this youth has destroyed a lot of property.

This is what you think. This was what everyone thought before World War I and World War II. There are nations that hate each other with a passion. Countries like Russia and China who have a strong disliking of the west... and Iran bad relations with Israel and USA. If you don't believe me that this can spread through the entire world, then you have to research on the chemistry in wars.

[ARBANITAI]

Kosova will not get under serbian control anymore, as the serb leader said above, they must stop and think for a moment, and realize that Kosova is not theirs (anymore), (and never was too HISTORICALLY) but especially never now, when they declared independence, and countries recognizing it in mass. their only lieing to their own ppl,, by doing that, they cause only big troubles to their own country first of all, getting their country isolated more and more from the world...

Serbia is the most unstable country in the Europe right now, their the birthplace of troubles too, and they dont accept anyone, last time i heard they want and are pulling of their ambassadors from these countries that recognize Kosova, I say let the europe and western countries isolate them all, and as well pull of their embassies from there, we cant expect any form of understandings by them anymore.

[Panathinaikos2]

Kosovo is too unstabel to be an independant state. They have unemployment of up to 57 percent and their chief export is organized crime. This is just a way for the west to have their very own puppet government in the Balkans :boo: Anyway Kosovo was Serbian and always will be Serbian forever no matter what.

[futbolpasion]

Kosova will not get under serbian control anymore, as the serb leader said above, they must stop and think for a moment, and realize that Kosova is not theirs (anymore), (and never was too HISTORICALLY) but especially never now, when they declared independence, and countries recognizing it in mass. their only lieing to their own ppl,, by doing that, they cause only big troubles to their own country first of all, getting their country isolated more and more from the world...

Serbia is the most unstable country in the Europe right now, their the birthplace of troubles too, and they dont accept anyone, last time i heard they want and are pulling of their ambassadors from these countries that recognize Kosova, I say let the europe and western countries isolate them all, and as well pull of their embassies from there, we cant expect any form of understandings by them anymore.


they couldnt let go of anybody heck with them the crybabies

Kosovo is a new Independent country :p

[Saraj Fanático]

By majority, you mean just 5-10 nations ?

Its not gonna be good man, i can tell you that ! USA is busy all over the world, Serbs might have chance to do something !

To take big steps, first you have to take small steps......just like these demonstrations !

This situation can take most of this region into another hell, meybe even the whole world :sad:!

What are Serbs going to do? :lol:The United States has military bases world wide from Tokyo to Portugal. And from the North of Norway to South, Australia. This doesn't require any large scale Military action. A 15 minute bombing campaign settles this even if Serbia were to send its entire military might. Those specific Serbs are trying to express anger because the Government will not act. The Genocide State cannot act, it would be the destruction of the entity...even tho the clock is running against them both ways. These are a bunch of football hooligans gone wild. This will settle. I am very interested to see what Washington will say about this.

Nato has left a mark on Milosevic's ass for everyone to see last time he tried to proceed without the mack daddy's (US) approval. The entire region knows not to repeat those actions.

[Panathinaikos2]

This is abosultely non acceptable! 30% warning.

[Saraj Fanático]

^ Pana, thats a praise and call for genocide.

[ARBANITAI]

a "serbian kosovo" ,,, The serbs that settled foot in the balcans for the first ever time, only in the 7th century, suddenly got the right to claim over kosova as its (own ancient land) ?
yeh sure :lol:

sell that to somebody else..lol

[Panathinaikos2]

Yes and you should sell your Illyrian theory to somebody elce. You Albanians do not come from the Illyrians but rather from the Cacausus ;)

[Saraj Fanático]

Oh man they found burned remains of one of the rioters in the Embassy. They believe its a rioter, or it might be a Marine (They were present in the building at the time of the attack).

[Bosnian Unit]

What are Serbs going to do? :lol:The United States has military bases world wide from Tokyo to Portugal. And from the North of Norway to South, Australia. This doesn't require any large scale Military action. A 15 minute bombing campaign settles this even if Serbia were to send its entire military might. Those specific Serbs are trying to express anger because the Government will not act. The Genocide State cannot act, it would be the destruction of the entity...even tho the clock is running against them both ways. These are a bunch of football hooligans gone wild. This will settle. I am very interested to see what Washington will say about this.

Nato has left a mark on Milosevic's ass for everyone to see last time he tried to proceed without the mack daddy's (US) approval. The entire region knows not to repeat those actions.

I think you know (or should know) that US is not what it use to be !

[Pape]

Goood job USA! you've created even more problems!

[Panathinaikos2]

edit.....

[poutismalakas]

Kosova will not get under serbian control anymore, as the serb leader said above, they must stop and think for a moment, and realize that Kosova is not theirs (anymore), (and never was too HISTORICALLY) but especially never now, when they declared independence, and countries recognizing it in mass. their only lieing to their own ppl,, by doing that, they cause only big troubles to their own country first of all, getting their country isolated more and more from the world...

Serbia is the most unstable country in the Europe right now, their the birthplace of troubles too, and they dont accept anyone, last time i heard they want and are pulling of their ambassadors from these countries that recognize Kosova, I say let the europe and western countries isolate them all, and as well pull of their embassies from there, we cant expect any form of understandings by them anymore.

actually it was theirs once before! They where in majority once!

[Saraj Fanático]

I think you know (or should know) that US is not what it use to be !


Its still the World policemen. Its not what it used to be in controlling nations which is doesn't have the belt by. Such as Iran, China, Russia, and such nations. But what can nations in the Balkans do to resist their demands? They have bases from right to left. Europe has us all by the balls as it is. All you can do is play along. This is simply the reality.

[ARBANITAI]

looool yeh, believe on it,,, USa dont give a crap, because Serbs are ruining its own infrastructure / country :lol:

or hm wait, do they ? :P

[Saraj Fanático]

Yes I agree, what I said was a bit too far and I don't really mean it. But I don't particularly like Albanians.

Still not a reason to type that up bro. I didn't want to report it since I know you know better. Your a good guy Pana, just remain calm.

[Pape]

Well Russia and China both support Serbia. They are close to like two of the worlds biggest countries in this world?

Anyways here is Serbia President Boris Tadic trying to plea with the people to stop the violence because it is only hurting Serbia.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tHb0hFWUIjU

[poutismalakas]

Its still the World policemen. Its not what it used to be in controlling nations which is doesn't have the belt by. Such as Iran, China, Russia, and such nations. But what can nations in the Balkans do to resist their demands? They have bases from right to left. Europe has us all by the balls as it is. All you can do is play along. This is simply the reality.

we are FAR TOO streached!! the only way is to implament the draft and short of a world war it ain't gonna happen!!!! Bush is doing as much as he can before he is out of office just like Clinton! Also if this goes to the UN and there is a big enuff stink it may get blocked!?

[Panathinaikos2]

looool yeh, believe on it,,, USa dont give a crap, because Serbs are ruining its own infrastructure / country :lol:

or hm wait, do they ? :PI don't see Kosovo being any more of a stable region when it has a 57 percent unemployment rate with its chief export being organized crime ;) You Albanians are simply just the US pet in the Balkans :ronaldo:

[poutismalakas]

I don't see Kosovo being any more of a stable region when it has a 57 percent unemployment rate with its chief export being organized crime ;) You Albanians are simply just the US pet in the Balkans :ronaldo:

I heard that the reason behind this is cause there may be oil and/or gas in the area!!?? And with Albanians on America's SALTY SACK what do you expect!

[Panathinaikos2]

I heard that the reason behind this is cause there may be oil and/or gas in the area!!?? And with Albanians on America's SALTY SACK what do you expect!I don't know whether Kosovo has gas or oil, but a greater Albanian state, full of massive pro Americans, in the Balkans definantly suits US national interests more than Greece, Turkey or any other nation in the Balkans does.

[ARBANITAI]

actually it was theirs once before! They where in majority once!

The kosovo population changed by time, i agree that serbs managed to be majority in some times of period by wiping albanians out, time after time, and sometimes just force them out, and ethnic cleansing, since they took the power, and even sending serbian ppl from all over yugoslavia there to live just to take over...and they did, but we are talkin on whom kosova belonged to as a land from ancient time?

you either can be a stupid or just an idot to say that kosova was serbian, how can it be is the big question ? the most historians of all world agrees that the modern Serbs came first in balcans, only in the early 7th century, its a joke how the serbs from 7th century tries to compete with the Albanians from 4000 thousand year old or more,, Albanians are not just direct descendants of ancient Illyrians, our trace goes even back to the first ever ppl to live in balcans and all europe, they were called the Pelasgians of Balcans, the first ppl in balcans, the ancestors of Illyrians, now the historians have founded out the similarities in language culture and traditions on us, and the direct continuty of Pelasgian-Illyrian-Albanian ppl all up to the modern day.

and if u dont believe me, ur free to read, all this comes from international famous historic books.

[Pape]

Here is U.S. reason and investment in Kosovo.

http://hannah.smith-family.com/archive/000959.html

[Panathinaikos2]

If you Albanians are Illyrians then please explain to me why is it that the Chechen language is very similar with the Albanian language. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian. Not to mention the Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not IndoEuropean in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

Here is another question of mine as well. Why are many of the towns and places in modern day Albania very identical with the names of the places in the Caucasus?

Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:

Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekoul

[Saraj Fanático]

we are FAR TOO streached!! the only way is to implament the draft and short of a world war it ain't gonna happen!!!! Bush is doing as much as he can before he is out of office just like Clinton! Also if this goes to the UN and there is a big enuff stink it may get blocked!?

Trust me, this whole thing will settle. The US wants to stretch their influence to all corners of the globe. They want to set up their perimeters nice and well, nobody can make a move without their recognition of action.

[poutismalakas]

The kosovo population changed by time, i agree that serbs managed to be majority in some times of period by wiping albanians out, time after time, and sometimes just force them out, and ethnic cleansing, since they took the power, and even sending serbian ppl from all over yugoslavia there to live just to take over...and they did, but we are talkin on whom kosova belonged to as a land from ancient time?

you either can be a stupid or just an idot to say that kosova was serbian, how can it be is the big question ? the most historians of all world agrees that the modern Serbs came first in balcans, only in the early 7th century, its a joke how the serbs from 7th century tries to compete with the Albanians from 4000 thousand year old or more,, Albanians are not just direct descendants of ancient Illyrians, our trace goes even back to the first ever ppl to live in balcans and all europe, they were called the Pelasgians of Balcans, the first ppl in balcans, the ancestors of Illyrians, now the historians have founded out the similarities in language culture and traditions on us, and the direct continuty of Pelasgian-Illyrian-Albanian ppl all up to the modern day.

and if u dont believe me, ur free to read, all this comes from international famous historic books.

I have read about your people and I have seen FACTS that state that your language DID NOT develop in Albania! It developed more North Eastern closer to Romania!!! Your argument is is baised as well cause Cause Kosovo was the Serbian heartland for Hundreds of years and your argument of we had it furst is illrelievent! They lived there for over a 1400 years! Albanians as a Albanian identity didn't exist until the 900s AD

And as far as the Pelasgian theory it is just a theory!

[Saraj Fanático]

Nato better watch over Mitrovica. Belgrade is nothing, Mitrovica is the city which should be monitored very carefully.

[Pape]

Well thats intelligent, what can Serbs attack in Belgrade, Serbs? What can NATO attack in Belgrade? More childrens hospitals and residential apartments?

[ARBANITAI]

lol---- i know Exactly where from you got this weak unbased statment now of yours,,, i just come in mind of how many times , i my self came to prove it wong, only me, i can think of,, well many times..

if thats the site i think you "copied it from, so far i remember there were just a huge of albanian responces and factly proven it wrong just a hell of times.. but again, this is not something new for me, as i have proven it wrong, and this "cacausas case" as well, i'v been proved this wrong so many times that i feel tired of doing it again and again, but for SFN sake i would do that again :)

I will just like to start with the very very simple facts for you right now, that will destroy all your "hopes" and "ambitions" that you said something smart or made a point with this here--

So my friend, the real name that the Albanians used to call them selfes, just 500 hundred years ago, around there, before the ottoman settle in balcans was not like the modern one "shqiptarë" or the land "shqiperia" but was "Arberia" sometimes "Arbania" and "Arbanit" "Arberor" or Arberesh" so these were the real and first names that the Albanians used to call them selfes, the country name was "Arbëria" and the Albanian for "Arbëresh",, now you must ask why you dont call ur self still with that, the answer is, well since you all know that the Albanian ancient symbol is the Eagle, the Albanians relate them selfes much with their ancient symbol , they started to call them selfes as "the son of eagles" which in Albanians translates as "shqiptarë" and "Shqiperia" = The land of Eagles.

these "relatives" you tried to find on "names" do not make sense, first of all because the Albanian cities name has all different meaning and comes from all different ones, that those from cacausas, i had a list of albanian city names that gives a clear vision that they came from the illyrian one, and morover has nothing to do with any of those u mentioned, but even though similarities in names you can find everywhere, also city names in Greece, can look simmilar to those from mongolia or china sometimes, these are names, another thing is, because there was an "Cacausas Albania" ppl go and say, Albanians comes from them, which is a stupid idea, we also had an "Cacausas Iberia" now does that mean the modern spaniards and portugese also came from that area since an iberia is founded there too ??

[poutismalakas]

Also I hope you know that double headed eagle is a Byzantine Symbol!! It was used by the Paleolougus dynasty

[Pape]

Valon, it would be nice if you stopped by once in a while when there wasn't a political discussion going on.

[ARBANITAI]

I have read about your people and I have seen FACTS that state that your language DID NOT develop in Albania! It developed more North Eastern closer to Romania!!! Your argument is is baised as well cause Cause Kosovo was the Serbian heartland for Hundreds of years and your argument of we had it furst is illrelievent! They lived there for over a 1400 years! Albanians as a Albanian identity didn't exist until the 900s AD

And as far as the Pelasgian theory it is just a theory!

my friend ur a pro serb, that can ses clearly, and i dont want to hear the serb responce, i know allready what their responce is, going out in the street and screaming with all his voice they got "kosova is serbia" and no facts are presented. and with all these facts that i brought, meaned nothing to u, im sure u havnt even readed it well to make a clever responce to me, you told me you read, what is that for a joke ? i can see how much u have readed on these books i recomended u, looking at ur responces you say them. you also called mine "theory" and do not pay at all attentions on my facts,, now what makes you think i will pay attention on something that a random serb says in the streets in the parlamient, and even their most uneducated serb says this as well as their hooligans, thats the only thing they can do, saying it , and anything that has to base that out from historically facts or something, they just run away from it, since they know they cant go deep in that, cause they'll lose, we heard alot they use to to mention their "churches" and some of them they even build in the new era, and by that tries like to make history and claim as serbian heritage on Kosova, but they forget that just before 7th century they didnt even egsist in Kosova, and the rulers of Kosova and inhabbitans of it, were still the Albanians the native ppl of Kosova and the region in the balkans.

[ARBANITAI]

Valon, it would be nice if you stopped by once in a while when there wasn't a political discussion going on.

I didnt started it, it was pana, i do agree with you, it should not have started here and must be stopped.

I stop so... i do not post more of this.

[PAO_HELLAS]

I am against violence and terrorization in general, but when I see American embassies being damaged I can't control my self and I get a pleasure.

The ones who caused the riots in Belgrade are probably drunk hooligans who were looking for an excuse to burn and destroy... I doubt they have a political opinion. I am talking about the ones who caused the drouble, except for the people that protested peacefully. I am against all their actions, except the attack at the American embassy.

[Mirko Ganic]

This could get a whole lot worse now with the Russians not ruling out force in this area. China have already expressed they they don't recognise Kosovo too. To me Kosovo is an illegal occupation of Serb terrotory. :mad2: I guess something has to give. :boo:

[FR Sloboda]

The Serbs are just huritng themselves - with a good proportion of Serbia protesting everyday and causing damage they will just hurt their own economy, get a bad western image, less western support for financial programs and be hated by most of europe for thier mad facism.

The Serbs are hurting themsleves.

PS: Russia is only protesting agianst Kosovo independence so that they can Take Abkhazia and South Ossietia from Georgia.

[Cro_Sensation]

Never a dull moment in the 'Balkan Powder Keg' eh.

As for those saying a war is impossible, Boze sacuvaj, we live in prehaps a lot more educated times, but people are willing to give it their lives for a cause. All it takes is the wrong person to die, and you have yourself a full scale war. WW1 proved that. While it was a different era, humans are generally the same down to the bone.

Hopefully this will stay as riots, and there won't be one fool who pushes the enveloppe.

By the way, did you see the Olympiakos banner they had in Greece against Chelsea that had "Kosovo is Serbia" in huge? I usually prefer politics like this to be kept out of football, but some things are inevitable.

[Pape]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080219/capt.xts11002192158.greece_soccer_champions_league_xts110.jpg

That one? :D

Anyways I hope nobody dies in Kosovo in the next few days because that would probably spark even greater violence and possibly a war.

[Cro_Sensation]

lol, Yeah it's that one.

[Pape]

Russia could use force in Kosovo

Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, has warned that Russia could use military force if the Kosovo independence dispute escalates.
"If the EU develops a unified position or if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN, then these organisations will be in conflict with the UN," he said.

In that case Russia would "proceed on the basis that in order to be respected we need to use brute force", he said.

Many EU members have recognised Kosovo, but several oppose recognition.

Russia, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, backs Serbia, which has condemned the independence declaration issued by the Kosovo parliament on 17 February.

On Tuesday members of the Serb minority in Kosovo attacked two border posts staffed by UN personnel and Kosovo police.

The violence led the Nato troops in Kosovo - known as K-For - to reinforce the border with Serbia.

Kosovo's majority ethnic Albanians are following a plan drawn up by UN special envoy Martti Ahtisaari for "supervised independence", which was rejected by Serbia.

Russian media outcry

The EU will soon deploy 2,000 officials to strengthen law and order in Kosovo, which has a population of about two million. Russia argues that the mission has no legal basis.

There has been a furious reaction in some Russian media to Kosovo's declaration of independence.

A commentary in the Vesti Plus analytical programme, on state-run television, called the assassinated former Serbian Prime Minister, Zoran Djindjic, a Western puppet who had "received a well-deserved bullet".

It said Djindjic had sold national heroes to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.

The programme concluded that Serbia - and not only Serbia - must now decide whether to acquiesce in what has happened, or resist.

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Well Serbia definetly has the support of Russia and their military in this issue, this could get ugly fast.

[ulster21]

The loss of Kosovo is an example of the growing threat of demographic warfare in Europe.

[Sebastian]

This artificial and inferior political creation wont last long...It is sentenced to everlasting conflict with non other then the most fanatical nation in whole Europe...Serbia is conceived in that "insignificant"piece of land and they will not rest,they will not sleep until their perpetual enemies are overwhelmed...
What a pathetic epilogue of an already pathetic region...Kosovo's independence is as synthetic as a Testosterone steroid use.It will grow unnaturally for some time but the consequences of that will be devastating for those people who wield the Albanian flag.
Those people are the most incompetent on the Balkans and they have no clue how an independent country is run,what methods to use and how to coordinate it's economy...It is a hopeless situation...
I watched a documentary for Kosovo and people complain that they doesnt even have enough electricity and that happened frequently even when operations are being performed in the hospitals...
It is criminal tampon zone and this is quite useful and lucrative for those who are backing this mirage of a country.
Kosovo is and will be a Factory for recycling the European black market and criminal...
It's not that i like the Serbs,but this will not end like this...Kosovars are being protected by people who doesnt belong here and what they are doing is against the flow of nature and contradicts all physical laws...
They are doing this on purpose so that Serbia people suffer and they could've got the same effect if Kosovo remained in the Serbian map...But it is obvious that their provocation has no end and the cause of this is only Serbia sentiments.
This is the biggest possible insult for one country.They are allowed only to watch as a piece of their most "holy"land is taken by someone who in other conditions would be wiped out for two hours...It's like they are losing a substance of their identity...

Third World war is out of the question,world leaders has lot more to lose then they had in the second world war...It is out of the question...
Neither Russia nor America would risk their comfort for two insignificant nations...
Serbs will have to do their "magic"on their own here...It is their land that has been "occupied" after all...
Russia might do some backing,as China will,but everyone has his mountain to climb,so dont expect a world's crisis over this...
If China was that powerful they would've solved their problem with Taiwan...All they can do is make crappy toys and kill their test"pilots" in their parodies of jet planes.
However,Russia's eternal Ego war with America can contribute greatly in Serbia's favor,but unfortunately Serbia is on it's own here....When Russia didnt intervened when Serbia was "nuked"with wasted Plutonium from the American Nuclear reactors and the other radioactive junk,you expect them to go head to head with Nato this time?????
What a load of crap....

[FK SARAJEVO]

Russia is all talk, they know better then to mess with the US. if Serbs are hoping for the Russians help, dont forget how they helped you during the NATO bombing.

[Andygers]

This is crazy!!! Kosovo is a nation all by it self, I mean if Scotland broke away from the UK, there wouldn't even be a consideration of rioting.

[ulster21]

This is crazy!!! Kosovo is a nation all by it self, I mean if Scotland broke away from the UK, there wouldn't even be a consideration of rioting.

Different situation.............The ethnic Albanians were not a majority in Kosovo 100 years ago...then they started immigrating to Kosovo from Albania in waves..they soon became the majority and then demanded independence. So if a million Scots immigrated to the North of England and then became the majority group in that region you think nothing would happen if those Scots demanded that the North of England become independent. What's happening in Kosovo is demographic warfare against the Serbs!!

[Sebastian]

This is crazy!!! Kosovo is a nation all by it self, I mean if Scotland broke away from the UK, there wouldn't even be a consideration of rioting.

Your comparison is beyond ridiculous...

[Andygers]

^ it isn't really, this is a nation that has broken away from another and people rioting, it used to happen 300 years ago around these parts but it doesn't any more. Thats the steps that some Eastern European countries must take. It wasn't a comparison of just countries breaking up it was of how these countries would act.

[Saraj Fanático]

Russia could use force in Kosovo

Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, has warned that Russia could use military force if the Kosovo independence dispute escalates.
"If the EU develops a unified position or if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN, then these organisations will be in conflict with the UN," he said.

In that case Russia would "proceed on the basis that in order to be respected we need to use brute force", he said.

Many EU members have recognised Kosovo, but several oppose recognition.

Russia, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, backs Serbia, which has condemned the independence declaration issued by the Kosovo parliament on 17 February.

On Tuesday members of the Serb minority in Kosovo attacked two border posts staffed by UN personnel and Kosovo police.

The violence led the Nato troops in Kosovo - known as K-For - to reinforce the border with Serbia.

Kosovo's majority ethnic Albanians are following a plan drawn up by UN special envoy Martti Ahtisaari for "supervised independence", which was rejected by Serbia.

Russian media outcry

The EU will soon deploy 2,000 officials to strengthen law and order in Kosovo, which has a population of about two million. Russia argues that the mission has no legal basis.

There has been a furious reaction in some Russian media to Kosovo's declaration of independence.

A commentary in the Vesti Plus analytical programme, on state-run television, called the assassinated former Serbian Prime Minister, Zoran Djindjic, a Western puppet who had "received a well-deserved bullet".

It said Djindjic had sold national heroes to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.

The programme concluded that Serbia - and not only Serbia - must now decide whether to acquiesce in what has happened, or resist.

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Well Serbia definetly has the support of Russia and their military in this issue, this could get ugly fast.

:lol: What I find funny about this is Spain, China, and Russia so urgently standing against this (Not that I really give a shit). Off course to keep the Basque nation, Dagestan, and Xinjiang regions from getting any ideas.

Russia recognizes the white line marked. They won't dare to cross it. People are so deluded with all these claims of "Russia coming to get the Albanians" and "China pounding fists over Kosovo". Please :lol: They all have their own curiosity and wonders.

[Andygers]

Different situation.............The ethnic Albanians were not a majority in Kosovo 100 years ago...then they started immigrating to Kosovo from Albania in waves..they soon became the majority and then demanded independence. So if a million Scots immigrated to the North of England and then became the majority group in that region you think nothing would happen if those Scots demanded that the North of England become independent. What's happening in Kosovo is demographic warfare against the Serbs!! Thats what used to go on in the UK, for about 1000 years the border changed size a lot of times. Now this happens around the world but it must stop!!!

[Mirko Ganic]

The loss of Kosovo is an example of the growing threat of demographic warfare in Europe.

I agree. The Serbs have lost something that is rightfully theirs. Kosovo is not legal. And lets be honest here all of us, if someone tries to take away something which is rightfully yours, do you not put up some sort of resistance?

Would the USA let the Mexicans take Texas cos it is full of Mexicans? And say call it Texico? I think not. :shocked:

[Mirko Ganic]

Different situation.............The ethnic Albanians were not a majority in Kosovo 100 years ago...then they started immigrating to Kosovo from Albania in waves..they soon became the majority and then demanded independence. So if a million Scots immigrated to the North of England and then became the majority group in that region you think nothing would happen if those Scots demanded that the North of England become independent. What's happening in Kosovo is demographic warfare against the Serbs!!

You are completely 100% correct.

[Mirko Ganic]

:lol: What I find funny about this is Spain, China, and Russia so urgently standing against this (Not that I really give a shit). Off course to keep the Basque nation, Dagestan, and Xinjiang regions from getting any ideas.

Russia recognizes the white line marked. They won't dare to cross it. People are so deluded with all these claims of "Russia coming to get the Albanians" and "China pounding fists over Kosovo". Please :lol: They all have their own curiosity and wonders.

If Russia decided to act with Military on this issue, the USA would be up against it. They are very stretched at the moment. Lets face it they are hardly winning the Illegal war in Iraq right now are they? This could get very serious. Kosovo crossed that line by declaring independance.

[Saraj Fanático]

If Russia decided to act with Military on this issue, the USA would be up against it. They are very stretched at the moment. Lets face it they are hardly winning the Illegal war in Iraq right now are they? This could get very serious. Kosovo crossed that line by declaring independance.

Bro, I know losing Kosovo hurts. I know its a hard time for Serbian people. I am not denying that. But nobody will foster ahead of the talking stage. The US and Russia would never act upon this with Military might. Its all talk. I am just being realistic here. The US has Europe in their fists. No Russia, Serbia, Spain, Greece can change that. You have to be aware not to trust politicians, 90% of the time they are all talk and no affect on changing the courses of a situation.

[Mirko Ganic]

Bro, I know losing Kosovo hurts. I know its a hard time for Serbian people. I am not denying that. But nobody will foster ahead of the talking stage. The US and Russia would never act upon this with Military might. Its all talk. I am just being realistic here. The US has Europe in their fists. No Russia, Serbia, Spain, Greece can change that. You have to be aware not to trust politicians.

I never trusted a politician in my life. I have more sense than that. The US is not as all powerful as you think. They start wars, but can never finish them and usually need help. Trust me, if China and Russia and a few others decide to act upon this (I am sure Iran will join the fight lol) the US wouldn't know what day it is. Just look at Iraq. Short of dropping a nuke the US will never get a result there. Kosovo is land stolen from the Serbs, and it is Serbian right to fight for it back.

[Saraj Fanático]

I never trusted a politician in my life. I have more sense than that. The US is not as all powerful as you think. They start wars, but can never finish them and usually need help. Trust me, if China and Russia and a few others decide to act upon this (I am sure Iran will join the fight lol) the US wouldn't know what day it is. Just look at Iraq. Short of dropping a nuke the US will never get a result there. Kosovo is land stolen from the Serbs, and it is Serbian right to fight for it back.


Russia, and China can act upon this but they would be faced with a nuclear shower and a everlasting sanction. There is no way these states will risk their successful years of development for Kosovo. I really do not care for Kosovo at all, but if the decision was mine, it should have been made an International zone.

[Saraj Fanático]

This is sort of off topic, but the media is saying that the Euro-Song contest will be removed to Ukraine hosting because of the recent violence. If this is true its a pity, I was really looking forward to Belgrade hosting.

[ulster21]

Is there any possibility that Serbia will get back that northern part of Kosovo because it is majority Serbs who live there?

[poutismalakas]

they will push for it watch!

[Mirko Ganic]

Is there any possibility that Serbia will get back that northern part of Kosovo because it is majority Serbs who live there?

Why shouldn't they get it ALL back as it was all of theirs originally. Okay, the Albanians moved there, but then just stole the land.

The US did the same to the Indians. Hmmmmmm okay now i get it. :rolleyes:

[boris4c]

It becomes clear Kosovo can never be a country like another. Montenegro was a totally different case and of course the country was recognized immediately by all, including Serbia, without dilemma. Kosovo's situation is very different and there is a major controversy surrounding the events. If everything was so easy (black on white) then there would not be any controversy, BUT there is. This means many countries realize what America is doing to the world. Many countries, especially in the UE, are American puppet states. This "democracy" is only a lie, soon everybody will realize.

Serbia has worked hard since 1999 to follow America's teachings and become a peaceful, democratic and stable European country which aspires to European integrations. The state has prospered, economy was boosted in magnificent fashion. The reward we get is an illegal unilateral declaration of independence which gets accepted by countries such as Great Britain, France, Germany, America, Italy and others. No judge in the world can justify this declaration of independence and prove it was done without crashing the international law. An Italian newspapers conducted a survey. 82% of Italians refuse Kosovo independence, but the state has recognized Kosovo, another example of American pressure.

Kosovo is Serbia's cradle but an Albanian baby is sleeping in it. I could even say Kosovo is Serbia's cradle with a Serbian baby sleeping in it along with eight Albanian babies who are beating the Serbian one.

WANTED
George W. Bush
for murdering international law

Award: World Peace

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Countries which have refused Kosovo independence

Argentina
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bolivia
Cyprus
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Moldova
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovakia
Spain
Sri Lanka
Tajikistan
Ukraine
Venezuela
Vietnam

Countries opposed to Kosovo independence although haven't made it official yet

Bosnia & Herzegovina
Brazil
China
Greece
India
Mexico
New Zealand
Philippines
South Africa

Other countries will oppose this illegal act as well.

Russia and China will make sure Kosovo never becomes a member of the United Nations.

[Panathinaikos2]

lol---- i know Exactly where from you got this weak unbased statment now of yours,,, i just come in mind of how many times , i my self came to prove it wong, only me, i can think of,, well many times..Well I don't know what your talking about here, but you can also find the caucasus theory in many sites.
But do keep in mind that this theory exists since Aeneas Silvius Piccolimini put in on the map in 1509, so its nothing new.


So my friend, the real name that the Albanians used to call them selfes, just 500 hundred years ago, around there, before the ottoman settle in balcansCan you please show me any proof of the Albanians settling in the Balkans before the Ottomans? The very first writing of the Albanian language takes place in 1555 by Gjon Buzuku and that was a religious text that didn't even make reference to them as a people.


was not like the modern one "shqiptarë" or the land "shqiperia" but was "Arberia" sometimes "Arbania" and "Arbanit" "Arberor" or Arberesh" so these were the real and first names that the Albanians used to call them selfes, the country name was "Arbëria" and the Albanian for "Arbëresh",,Why do you keep trying to link yourself with the Illyrians when you are clearly alien to anything related to them, be that customs, language and even totally lacks any form of historic memories is an issue that needs to be addressed.


now you must ask why you dont call ur self still with that, the answer is, well since you all know that the Albanian ancient symbol is the Eagle, the Albanians relate them selfes much with their ancient symbol , they started to call them selfes as "the son of eagles" which in Albanians translates as "shqiptarë" and "Shqiperia" = The land of Eagles.Simply a load of BULLSHIT.
The albanians first adopted the eagle, the double headed eagle to be exact, when Kastriotis raised the flag, a flag clearly influenced from Byzantium.


these "relatives" you tried to find on "names" do not make sense, first of all because the Albanian cities name has all different meaning and comes from all different ones, that those from cacausas, i had a list of albanian city names that gives a clear vision that they came from the illyrian one, and morover has nothing to do with any of those u mentionedWho's the moron that composed this list and how the hell this idiot got the Illyrian etymologies when Illyrian is an undeciphered language and all we know of it comes from Roman and Hellenic accounts (I mean words and names refered to in texts) and the Messapic script which is totally alien to Albanian?


but even though similarities in names you can find everywhere, also city names in Greece, can look simmilar to those from mongolia or china sometimes, these are names, another thing is, because there was an "Cacausas Albania" ppl go and say, Albanians comes from them, which is a stupid idea, we also had an "Cacausas Iberia" now does that mean the modern spaniards and portugese also came from that area since an iberia is founded there too ??look similar and sound similar or be based on the same root is two totally different things, but thats not the only issue.. You should start by presenting proof that these names, names found in the caucasus prior to any reference of the Albanians as a people also existed in the balkans.

Its like saying that we got the name Athens from the US when everyone knows that the city in the US was founded just a couple of centuries ago while Athens proper was founded millenia ago.

[Panathinaikos2]

I really do not care for Kosovo at all, but if the decision was mine, it should have been made an International zone.If you don't care then don't post in this thread. All you are doing so far is pissing off Serbs who are already having a bad time with the Kosovo issue. I mean do you enjoy watching Serbia suffer?

[Pape]

"We believe that the resolution of Kosovo's status will really, finally, let the Balkans begin to put its terrible history behind it, I mean, after all, we're talking about something from 1389 — 1389. It's time to move forward."
-U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice

How dare this bitch say something like this?

[Sarajbahçe]

Pana.. this regards us as well

kosovo getting independence means
serbs from genocide side of bosnia want independence as well which they can suck on!

[Pape]

Quit trying to steal the thread into a Bosnia thing you already have that in the Srpska thread.

Anyways Albanians have destroyed 150 churches and monastaries in Kosovo since 1999 under INTERNATIONAL SUPERVISION. Shame on you EUROPE for supporting Islamic terrorism and holding us hostage if we don't support destroying our history.

[FK SARAJEVO]

Quit trying to steal the thread into a Bosnia thing you already have that in the Srpska thread.

Anyways Albanians have destroyed 150 churches and monastaries in Kosovo since 1999 under INTERNATIONAL SUPERVISION. Shame on you EUROPE for supporting Islamic terrorism and holding us hostage if we don't support destroying our history.

In Bosnia serbs destroyed 950 mosques, killed tens of thousands, raped over 30000 women, displaced over 1 million people. Serbs are in no position to talk about others as terrorists!

[ARBANITAI]

In Bosnia serbs destroyed 950 mosques, killed tens of thousands, raped over 30000 women, displaced over 1 million people. Serbs are in no position to talk about others as terrorists!

in that what you stated is beeing proved as very true, and IT IS! and there is also big and huge evidence of that everywhere, that in Bosnia and Herzegovina,
the serbs did destroyed and burned so much of bosnian religious houses as the Mosques and some catholic churches as well of croatian,, and nothing was said about it, and all those innocent ppl that the serbs killed during the war, for no reason, and these women that were raped and the massacres especially the terrible one of Srebrenica in the end they all declared them selfes as Innocent !!!

the Serbs must pay big price for all these damages they did in Bosnia, and later in Kosova too, by destroying albanian mosques and churches and fight off the civilians, now who is the biggest terrorist here ?

Shame on serbs!

[ARBANITAI]

Your comparison is beyond ridiculous...

and yours is way of ridicilous and nonsense my friend..

as long as you make false statments that Kosova was serbian, you are still a naive person for me.. or your knowglegde is very poor on kosovas issue. bring me your proofs that Kosova was serbian ?????????? Kosova was Never Serbian Historically and it will NEVER BE, the land that you claim "serbian" was ancient Illyrian tribe, called DARDANIA, it was Illyrian way before the Serbs ever set foot on Balcan peninsula, (as they did first only in the 7th century)

in the other way, Albanians are direct descendants of ancient Illyrians, (this is fact) thus it makes Albanians in every single possible way, the true authoctone inhabbitans of Kosova. as well as the first ppl to rule and inhabbit the Kosova region. (far before the serbs even egisted as a nation in balkans)

and Andygers was right so

[Cro_Sensation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j01e1j251Cs&feature=related

LOL. "vi ste heroji ovih demonstracija"

[Saraj Fanático]

If you don't care then don't post in this thread. All you are doing so far is pissing off Serbs who are already having a bad time with the Kosovo issue. I mean do you enjoy watching Serbia suffer?

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say one thing to offend Serbs. If i did then point it out, if you can't point it out then stop your accusations. But yeah your right on one thing, I am wasting my time here. So peace!

PS: FKS, and other Bosnian members, do not change this thread from its official topic. Comment in the Republika Srpska thread, this shouldn't involve us anyways.

[nb-legenda]

Why does Bosnian topic always flood threads irrelevant to Bosnians. damnit, I'm sick of this crap, if you want to talk about Bosnian-Serb relations, go ahead and do that in Republika Srpska thread. We have nothing to do with Kosovo-Serbia. We still didn't even accept Kosovo as independent damnit, so guys please shut up and use a different thread for irrelevant posts.

[Mirko Ganic]

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say one thing to offend Serbs. If i did then point it out, if you can't point it out then stop your accusations. But yeah your right on one thing, I am wasting my time here. So peace!

PS: FKS, and other Bosnian members, do not change this thread from its official topic. Comment in the Republika Srpska thread, this shouldn't involve us anyways.

Get Real! Filthy western rapists. Kosovo is Illegal occupation of Serbia. :red-card:

[Panathinaikos2]

in the other way, Albanians are direct descendants of ancient Illyrians, (this is fact) thus it makes Albanians in every single possible way, the true authoctone inhabbitans of Kosova. as well as the first ppl to rule and inhabbit the Kosova region. (far before the serbs even egisted as a nation in balkans)Don't be so shure that you guys are the direct descendants of the Illyrians. There is very little proof of this where on the other hand there is alot of proof which speculates that you guys are not descendants of the Illyrians. I mean the Albanians main argument is that they have some Illyrian words in their language... An argument that can also be applied to Slavs as well, since they too bear some words that resemble Illyrian ones.

[nb-legenda]

Wikipedia:

Albanians are often claimed as the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, or alternatively derived of Thracian or Dacian stock, or from a mixture of these. The name Albanian itself was first mentioned in the 2nd century BCE by Polybius (Arbanios, Arbanitai with their city Arbon), the 1st century CE by Pliny (Olbonensis), and the 2nd century CE by geographer and astronomer Ptolemy (Albanoi), as one of the important Illyrian tribes situated where is now Central Albania with Albanopolis as their main city. The ethnonym applied to the people now known as Albanians is first attested from the 11th century (e.g. Anna Komnene, Alexiad 4.8.4), although such a nominal connection does not prove an actual link to Illyrians. The first reference to a lingua albanesca dates to the later 13th century.

Dude... if Albanians aren't Illyrian, why the F does it matter. They're not inferior because they are different ethnicity.

[ARBANITAI]

No of course we wouldnt be inferior if we were anything else then that..thats just the way it is..

And i believe, no nation in the world denies its identity or ethnicity, just as no one denies Serbian-slavic Origine. actually the opposite allmost all of nations feel proud and speak proudly out of their identity. And even if they denies it, the world will not, the facts will talk for them selfes, and that will not help if they claim lies!

but Albanians are not the only ones that claim Illyrian origin, actually the most famous Historians of the world agrees on , that albanians are the only descendants of the ancient Illyrians, as ptolemy and polybius were on of them, there are enough international qoutes and facts that prooves Illyrian-Albanian identity. and i just dont know, why you guys dont accept it !

[Pape]

In Bosnia serbs destroyed 950 mosques, killed tens of thousands, raped over 30000 women, displaced over 1 million people. Serbs are in no position to talk about others as terrorists!

Taking bullshit numbers out of your ass again? I would really like to see some proof that there was even 950 mosques in BOSNIA as a whole. Maybe there is now when the Arabs came in and built 4x the mosques than there were ever before.

You killed 800,000 Serbs you are in no position to talk about others as terrorist, Nazis.

[Centarfor9]

Taking bullshit numbers out of your ass again? I would really like to see some proof that there was even 950 mosques in BOSNIA as a whole. Maybe there is now when the Arabs came in and built 4x the mosques than there were ever before.

You killed 800,000 Serbs you are in no position to talk about others as terrorist, Nazis.
:shocked:

the number of mosques that serbs destroyed is much greater than 950

"Arabs built x4 the mosques than there were ever before." ??? (can't help to laugh)

If they did that than Bosnia would be one of the countries with the most mosques in the world.

800,000 serbs killed by Bosnians? :faint2:

[Panathinaikos2]

Dude... if Albanians aren't Illyrian, why the F does it matter. They're not inferior because they are different ethnicity.It matters becuase this is the excuse the Albanians continuously use in order to claim Kosovo. Of course most likely Albanians are not descendants of the Illyrians and it isn't very hard to see that.

[Pape]

:shocked:

the number of mosques that serbs destroyed is much greater than 950

"Arabs built x4 the mosques than there were ever before." ??? (can't help to laugh)

If they did that than Bosnia would be one of the countries with the most mosques in the world.

800,000 serbs killed by Bosnians? :faint2:

LOL??!?? For a example inn central BiH, city of Zavidovici my town we had 1 small mosque for where was probably greater than 30,000 Bosniaks. Today there is a mosque that was built on the NK Krivajas training football field and it takes up almost 3/4 off the field, lets not mention all off the other mosques that are there now.

The number of churches and monastaries destroyed by bosniaks in Bosnia is much greater than 1,000 just to add to your guy's balance sheet.

and 800,000 Serbs killed by Serbs because Serbs love to kill so much they kill themselves

[Centarfor9]

LOL??!?? For a example inn central BiH, city of Zavidovici my town we had 1 small mosque for where was probably greater than 30,000 Bosniaks. Today there is a mosque that was built on the NK Krivajas training football field and it takes up almost 3/4 off the field, lets not mention all off the other mosques that are there now.

The number of churches and monastaries destroyed by bosniaks in Bosnia is much greater than 1,000 just to add to your guy's balance sheet.
you sure? :)

one mosque for 30,000 bosniaks? :faint2:

lets just say that is impossible

number of 1,000 churches destroyed by bosniaks? bosniaks did destroy some churches but that number is nowhere close to 100


and 800,000 Serbs killed by Serbs because Serbs love to kill so much they kill themselves
not sure were there 800,000 serbs killed - but I sure know that it wasn't Bosniaks

I assume you are referring to Jasenovac. Bosniaks had nothing to do with Jasenovac other than they were also killed there.

on a personal level number of my family members were killed there - no joke

(I knew they were killed by ustasha's since we are known for opposing Nazis, fascists, Ustasha's and Chetniks but year ago I found out they were actually killed at Jasenovac)

[Nit]

what bout all the churches that have been destroyed in kosovo by albanians?

[cartel]

Those Serbs that set the embassies on fire are more than crazy.

And why the ***k arrived the police after 45 Minutes? The prestige of the Serbs is getting better and better . . . :boo:

[Sebastian]

and yours is way of ridicilous and nonsense my friend..

as long as you make false statments that Kosova was serbian, you are still a naive person for me.. or your knowglegde is very poor on kosovas issue. bring me your proofs that Kosova was serbian ?????????? Kosova was Never Serbian Historically and it will NEVER BE, the land that you claim "serbian" was ancient Illyrian tribe, called DARDANIA, it was Illyrian way before the Serbs ever set foot on Balcan peninsula, (as they did first only in the 7th century)

in the other way, Albanians are direct descendants of ancient Illyrians, (this is fact) thus it makes Albanians in every single possible way, the true authoctone inhabbitans of Kosova. as well as the first ppl to rule and inhabbit the Kosova region. (far before the serbs even egisted as a nation in balkans)

and Andygers was right so

Your theory is one of the most well fabricated aspects in the human history...Even the Academics in the Albanian historic institute knows that the Albanians arent really descendants from the Iirians and they arent autoctone...The Albanian Mafia works tireless,on the matter...But it is of no relevance...
So the thing that Kosovo was a part of Serbia is a mass suggestion and it was all fabricated???That was a splendidly fabricated lie that Kosovo was actually a part of Serbia...:thumbsup:
If you people could take that from the Serbs then ok,but Albanians are more then inferior when Serbia is concerned and the thing that someone else just riped the land out of Serbia is pissing a lot of realistic and objective individuals...
I have no reason to love or to hate Serbia,but what makes this ridiculous is the fact that a bunch of inferior people is jumping all over the place yelling "Victory" and provoking a power that could slap them like bugs...That is bothering me...It is against the rules of nature...
If you can take something by Brute force then hey it's yours,but i know well how Albanians really are and i am well aware how they provoke everyone and then run and hide themselves behind the skirts of their "mama"...I despise that...
Serbia will never let this go...This is a part of the dream for the Big Albania or Ilirida,but you know what Serbs really are...This is Europe and it isnt Iraq...America cant influence things that much as they do in their occupied regions...
The matter isnt over...Man i see them yelling and provoking Serbia,it is like when some inferior spoiled brat is spiting me and throwing rocks on me,took my house and now is provoking me and making things even worst.But there's a whole bunch of tanks positioned between me and him...The thing is they wont stay there for whole eternity...Sooner or latter i will get this worm and break his spine and leave it to rot there...

[Sebastian]

Those Serbs that set the embassies on fire are more than crazy.

And why the ***k arrived the police after 45 Minutes? The prestige of the Serbs is getting better and better . . . :boo:

:D If you could only imagine what a Serbian Cop looks like you would realize their furious anger with this whole thing...Those people who are burning buildings are the least of their concerns...
They are so powerful yet they can not defend their own country from a bunch of civilians dressed in army suits who pretend that they know sophisticated warfare...

[Milos_]

Those Serbs that set the embassies on fire are more than crazy.

And why the ***k arrived the police after 45 Minutes? The prestige of the Serbs is getting better and better . . . :boo:

How kind and polite would you be if the Mexicans living in California,Texas,Arizona ect declared independence from America?

eLcino:thumbsup:

[Bosnian Unit]

Taking bullshit numbers out of your ass again? I would really like to see some proof that there was even 950 mosques in BOSNIA as a whole. Maybe there is now when the Arabs came in and built 4x the mosques than there were ever before.

You killed 800,000 Serbs you are in no position to talk about others as terrorist, Nazis.


Pape every village in Bosnia has its own mosque not to mention from 5 up to 10 in the cities (depends how big is the city).


Now about ???.??? that number is pure Serb propaganda.

We dont care about that, and dont acuse Bosnians doing something like that becouse the fact is 90% OF BOSNIANS WHERE PARTISANS during that time, unlike Serbs who where mostly Chetniks, and Croats who where Ustase.

Why was Bosnia stronghold of Tito ? Did you ever ask yourself that question ?

Well just in case you didnt, its becouse he had the most support in Bosnia then anywhere else.

So if you want to talk about that 800 number, meybe you should discuss that with you brothers/friends from Croatia,Italy,Austria and Germany :smoking:!

[boris4c]

^ The Partisans were made up of Serbs at 90% during the first years, let's not try to deny this. Bosniaks and others joined after they realized that victory was in sight.

Does anybody here seriously think the police was "late" about 45 minutes, especially since the police was in the street right next to the embassy's street? Kostunica and Nikolic asked WHO is responsible for this. Certainly, the police received $$$ to come after the fire was set. This way, the Americans could blame the Government of Serbia, led by anti-American Kostunica, and also project another terrible picture of Serbia to the world.

[cartel]

How kind and polite would you be if the Mexicans living in California,Texas,Arizona ect declared independence from America?

and burning down embassies is your answer?


Does anybody here seriously think the police was "late" about 45 minutes, especially since the police was in the street right next to the embassy's street?

surely not. Many embassies are guarded very well or the action forces can arrive very quick.

[FR Sloboda]

Off topic

[poutismalakas]

WHAT DOES Bosnia have to do with US embassies getting fire bombed by Serbian Demonstrators??!!! Another Balkan thread hijacked by Bosnian politics and History!!:focus:

[Saraj Fanático]

Ahem Poutis...now it does.

Bosnian Serbs try to attack U.S. consulate


SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (CNN) -- Hundreds of Bosnian-Serb demonstrators broke away from a peaceful rally in Banja Luka on Tuesday and headed for the U.S. Embassy's office there, clashing with police along the way, a police spokesman said.


Bosnian Serb protestors clash with police after a large rally against Kosovo's independence in Western Bosnian town of Banja Luka.

The errant demonstrators threw rocks at police as they tried to reach the embassy's branch office -- which was closed -- and police responded with tear gas.

The protesters never reached the embassy's office; adjacent streets had been closed in anticipation of the demonstration in Banja Luka, Bosnia's second largest city.

Police said the violent demonstrators numbered about 600 or 700, and had broken away from a 100,000-strong rally of Bosnian Serbs protesting Kosovo's recent declaration of independence.

Police arrested some demonstrators, although it was not clear how many.

Because the United States supports Kosovo's independence, U.S. diplomatic missions in the region have been a target of protests since the Serbian province declared independence on February 17.
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Last Thursday, protesters smashed windows and set fire to part of the U.S. Embassy in the Serbian capital, Belgrade.

One protester died, his burned body found in the U.S. embassy complex.

No embassy staff members were wounded, but all non-essential staff and their families were evacuated.

The U.S. Embassy's Banja Luka branch office was closed in anticipation of Tuesday's planned protest and the American officer normally stationed there was temporarily relocated to the Bosnian capital, Sarajevo.
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A warden message posted on the U.S. Embassy's Web site warns that "demonstrations may also occur in other parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina, particularly in areas within the Republika Srpska on February 26 and could reoccur on succeeding days.

"Americans should monitor the media for updates and further details of times and locations and should consider deferring travel to Banja Luka at this time."
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These people who are doing this are so imbecilic its just not believable. I would have stayed out of this thread like I promised but since this has to do with Bosnia and the last thread is closed, I really don't have no other place to put it, do I. Anyways, don't these guys have enough knowledge to cognize that all of this is backfiring? :lol: I mean if they had succeeded in burning the US embassy that would spread a good message to the US about the Geno-state. That American officer who had to be relocated to Sarajevo will have plenty to say. I think this entity is pretty much done with, they are the reason BiH doesn't recognize what the US seems to be promoting (Kosovo Independence), with that said the US will get rid of them soon. You have to follow what daddy demands.

The saddest part of this is that people always seem to tell the adults that the youth is the hope and future, the crowd which clashed with police and was seeking to set the embassy ablaze were all collage and High school students. All with their cetnik banners and behavior, good to see how the elders are teaching their kids.

[nb-legenda]

Hah now the Serbs are trying to bring that stupid mess into our city.

[boris4c]

Hah now the Serbs are trying to bring that stupid mess into our city.
You can either say the Serbs try to bring this in their city or the Bosnians try to bring this in our city. You can't contradict yourself like you just did.

I was watching amazing Dimitris Kitsikis yesterday on this channel and it was truly the best emission I ever watched. His words were like coming out of my mouth. Kitsikis is a well respected expert in international relations, author of 34 books and co-author of 35 others. Kitsikis is currently teaching at the University of Ottawa.

Hashim Taci leader of Kosovo. Former UCK terrorist and heroin/opium dealer with which he financed his war. Good job, world. :thumbsup: I expect Sandzak to leave in the next 10 years if things don't change. The 2008 Summer Olympics could be a huge turnaround for the world as silly as it seems. We can certainly fear another World War (III) soon. Many people think Islam is the ennemy, but it is far from it. America is the ennemy, to Islam, to China, to Russia, and to other countries who still haven't been brainwashed by Western "democracy". Mr. Kitsikis stated Kosovo is the first step to this World War III. He said this planetary war started when the first bomb was dropped on Serbia in 1999 and in a few years, we will go back to Kosovo and the events and realize it was the turning point of everything, the etincel. Everything, once again, begins in the Balkans. Everything ends in the Balkans. Always.

We are having a protest in front of the Canadian parliament on Saturday. 72% of Canadians have stated they do not recognize Kosovo as independent. 82% of Italians said the same thing, but we can't help it when the government is an American puppet.

[FR Sloboda]

No way man USA Rules and so does the west and Euro - Atlantic integration.

btw Boris Tadic and Cedomir Jovanovic know what is best for Serbia and are young people who can bring a better life for Serbs without contreversy etc.

[Sarajbahçe]

thats what you get for starting a pointless war with whom you once lived with
to be honest with you, i would have supported serbia for keeping kosovo
but its hard when there are chetniks walking around bosnia and burning down our flags so that makes me happy to see them cry like girls!
dont get me wrong.. i grew up with serbs and i dont have anything against no race/religion.. but when someone accuses bosnians of being terrorists... thats a different story then
high school kids dont even know what is going on.. just pathetic if you ask me!
and the politicians knew that it was coming but are scared shitless of the U.S. now and are blaming the "hooligans" and "young teenagers" for this

[boris4c]

No way man USA Rules and so does the west and Euro - Atlantic integration.

btw Boris Tadic and Cedomir Jovanovic know what is best for Serbia and are young people who can bring a better life for Serbs without contreversy etc.
HAHA. Cedomir Jovanovic suuuure knows what's best. hahahah :lol:

Boris Tadic was very naive. He thought the Americans would leave Kosovo for him as a gift because he's a democrat. Very naive Tadic was, now he cries like a girl. I knew that when he won the elections, Kosovo was gone. The story would've been different if Nikolic won. Now, Kostunica and Nikolic will make a coalition and destroy Tadic in the parliament, after what a Russian corpus is supposed to come to Kosovo to ensure security for the Serbs in Kosovo. People asked the Russian government "how will you reach Serbia when it's surrounded by NATO countries?". Russia answered it's their problem how they will reach.

A lot of bad stuff is happening right now. Minister of security and police Mr. Jocic gets an "accident" on the highway in an attempt to kill him. The police is easily bought by the Americans.

What really happened in Kosovo in 1999? Albanians diguised in civils started killing the Serbian police all over Kosovo. The police answered but it was very hard to find those people since they're civils. The army came in to help and the West immediately declared this as a criminal act or whatever. This is how it's done. The same thing will happen in Sandzak with the vehabije. The police will get attacked first and it'll be another trap for Serbia. One of the currently detained vehabija admitted several hundreds of vehabijas are on training at Bondsteel American Military Base in Kosovo. Suspicious isn't it. ;)

There is no such thing as "young people leading the country". Today's world is led by the mafia, open your eyes. Serbia is following every international law to the letter, every convention, every organisation's laws, etc. but this won't do. Why? Is this what we like to call justice? Of course not, this is a world led by the mafia. Who is Hashim Thaci? Who is Milo Djukanovic? Hillary Clinton :lol: too much

[Bosnian Unit]

^ The Partisans were made up of Serbs at 90% during the first years, let's not try to deny this. Bosniaks and others joined after they realized that victory was in sight.

Does anybody here seriously think the police was "late" about 45 minutes, especially since the police was in the street right next to the embassy's street? Kostunica and Nikolic asked WHO is responsible for this. Certainly, the police received $$$ to come after the fire was set. This way, the Americans could blame the Government of Serbia, led by anti-American Kostunica, and also project another terrible picture of Serbia to the world.



:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Just becouse there is Partizan FC in Serbia that doesnt mean Partisans where made up mostly by Serbs :D.

To find what Delija means, search Turkish vocabulary:sad:......just becouse you are Delije(Red Star fans) today doesnt mean you supported Turks, right!?

:crazy:


Just take a look where most of the battle's took place, who was Tito and where even today he has most people who respects him. Some in Bosnia still say Tita mi , now you will not hear that in Belgrade or Zagrbe for example.

Thru out history majority of Serbs are pro Chetniks, who will stay behaind people like Draza Mihajlovic,Karadzic,Mladic,Milosevic,Kostunica etc...

There was not more then 30% Serbs who where Partisans, while majority of Croats where also pro Ustase !

About 90% if not more people from Bosnia and Herzegovina where Partisans. There was no such a thing as Bosnian Serb, or Bosnian Croat so DONT INCLUDE Serbs and Croats from todays BIH into those Partisans.

Becouse back then they where Bosnians/Yugoslavs who where Orthodox Christians or Chatolics ! After the WWII Serbia/Croatia started to manipulate with great number of Bosnians just becouse they where same religion and turned them into radical Serbs and Croats just for the sake of Great Serbia or Croatia.

Right after the Tito's death it was Serbia who introduced Milosevic to the world, and i think i dont have to say what happens next becouse you know that very well.

This was Milosevic's and Serbia's plan !
http://www.freewebs.com/magnaserbia/Velika%20Srbija.jpg

They waited until Tito died, and saw the chance to try to finish what Draza Mihajlovic failed to do........but again it didnt happend, just take a look at todays map of Serbia !

[FR Sloboda]

Boris4c you talk crap - without the USA, Serbia would have a distater of an economy and the USA Wanted to promote good relations with Serbia but you guys had to screw up and start another war of ethnic cleansing.

if a couple of KLA Killed a few Serb paramilitaries or Military police does that make it right for the Serbs to kill innocent civilians?

ps: the wahhabi are not respected in Bih and Sandzak and are a Minority becuase people want to grow up speaking the South Slavonic langauge and have their own people to talk to.

The wahhabi are a bunch of Arab/mental abusers who just come to the balkans to marry a women and spread their disgusting influence.

[FR Sloboda]

I understand where you are coming from Boris becuase it makes me sick when i see some minority Bosnjaks wearing arab scarves. probaly even more sick for me than you!

[nb-legenda]

@ whoever said we were terrorists:

If we're terrorists because we're Muslim, then you are Nazis because you are Christian. doesn't make ***king sense

[-Vozdra-]

Boris Tadic was very naive. He thought the Americans would leave Kosovo for him as a gift because he's a democrat. Very naive Tadic was, now he cries like a girl. I knew that when he won the elections, Kosovo was gone. The story would've been different if Nikolic won.

:lol: sounds like they should have put you as leader seeing as you think you know so much.

Kosovo would have gone one way or another. This is probably the best outcome that Serbiacould have got. The other outcome being war breaking out again and a repeat of the nato bombings.

Tadic has done all that he can. He has said that Serbia will never accept Kosovo as an independent state and never will and thats all he can do. Now he just has to sit and watch.

The Americans call the shots wether people like it or not. It seems to be the way the world works these days and theres nothing anyone can do about it.

[FR Sloboda]

Well you canot call us that becuase we were christians first of all and some of the people that were not religous through centuries converted to Islam, married a Turk or got forced to marry one!

the turkish military force used in Bosnia in the 15th century was very brutal and forced Conversions were made along with Rape etc.

and this is why i am glad that i am 100% secular Bosnjak and one with old bosnian christian church roots:d

[Saraj Fanático]

What are you talking about? First off, we weren't Christian and I pretty much proved that in all the threads about this. Some off course which is a very small number, the story of all of us being Christian is a myth, it disregards another people which existed. I however will not deny many of us having Turkish blood perhaps, there was much prostitution and inter-cultural marriages occurring. Also, if it weren't for the Turks I doubt any Bosniaks would be around today. Christians faced the most struggles under the Ottoman epoch.

Didn't mean to change topic but its selfish sitting here and reading you associating all Bosniaks with highly doubtful suggestions.

[Bosnian Unit]

Well you canot call us that becuase we were christians first of all and some of the people that were not religous through centuries converted to Islam, married a Turk or got forced to marry one!

the turkish military force used in Bosnia in the 15th century was very brutal and forced Conversions were made along with Rape etc.
and this is why i am glad that i am 100% secular Bosnjak and one with old bosnian christian church roots:d

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Are you crazy ?

:boo::boo::boo::boo::boo:

Turks where here for 500 years, get that in your head 500 (five hundred) years OK !

During that time they could off destroy all Christian churces and force everyone to convert to Islam.

I mean they would have to just force some of the people and rest would become Muslim by itself during changes of generations etc... Its 500 years lets not forget that OK ! You can do a lot of shit in 500 years, just think about it.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.........Somehow Serbs, Croats and their churces survived all those 500 years.....Let me tell you something now......


Just for the record that was in 15th century right !? There was no TV's,phones,cameras etc.....

Now here is 20th century, where TV,phone's,cameras etc.. where aviliable but Serbs for just 3 years MANAGED TO KILL,FORCE OUT, BURN CHURCES, MOSQUES, everything what is not Serbian, and ETHNICLY CLEAN 49% of Bosnian territory.

Just imagine what would Serbs do for 500 years ? It was simple, nobady was forced to change religion ......who was Christian just paid higher taxes and that WAS IT.

[FR Sloboda]

This thread is full of speculation and opinion - there is no facts!

[FR Sloboda]

This thread is full of speculation and opinion - there is no facts!

[Bosnian Unit]

You had two days to came out with answer on my post, but you didnt........looks like you did wrote something, but you delete it and that tells me you are the one who is here with speculation's and perosnal opinion :smoking:.

One more time, these are FACT's not speculations or my opinion !

Turks where on Balkans for 500 years, and during that time they could off do whatever the hell they wanted to do ! But they didnt........Christians survived along with their 600+ year old churches etc..

That was 15th century right ? A time considered as bloody past !?

But there was a 20th century, when Croats and Serbs in general tried to erase Bosnia and its people. Whole world stood and watched for 4 years, we even had embargo on weapons...........What was happening here went in all corners of this globe, nobady gave a shit, they(Europeans) just closed their door so it doesnt stink !

Result was 49% of Bosnian territory was ethnicly cleaned from non Serbs, churches and mosques where burned and destroyed to the ground......now there are parking lots, or apartment complex or whatever where 300-500 year mosque/church use to be.

All that was happening in 1990's, in 20th century...Serbs just needed 4 years for that, imagine if they had 500 years on their hands and power as Turks did back in 15th century.

[poutismalakas]

You had two days to came out with answer on my post, but you didnt........looks like you did wrote something, but you delete it and that tells me you are the one who is here with speculation's and perosnal opinion :smoking:.

One more time, these are FACT's not speculations or my opinion !

Turks where on Balkans for 500 years, and during that time they could off do whatever the hell they wanted to do ! But they didnt........Christians survived along with their 600+ year old churches etc..

That was 15th century right ? A time considered as bloody past !?

But there was a 20th century, when Croats and Serbs in general tried to erase Bosnia and its people. Whole world stood and watched for 4 years, we even had embargo on weapons...........What was happening here went in all corners of this globe, nobady gave a shit, they(Europeans) just closed their door so it doesnt stink !

Result was 49% of Bosnian territory was ethnicly cleaned from non Serbs, churches and mosques where burned and destroyed to the ground......now there are parking lots, or apartment complex or whatever where 300-500 year mosque/church use to be.

All that was happening in 1990's, in 20th century...Serbs just needed 4 years for that, imagine if they had 500 years on their hands and power as Turks did back in 15th century.

The reason WHY th eTurks didn't eliminate Christianity is because we paid their HEAVY taxes and they needed our youths for their Janassary units!

[FR Sloboda]

Yes we all know that. i was trying to say that the Turkish control of the Balkans and the territoiry of Bosnia was not 100% clean. And in many cases Bosnjaks were forced into paying higher taxes whilst the lucky Bosnjak beg's who mostly were of turkish origin stole of the ordinary people. - that is a fact!

also many Serbs and Croats became Begs during the ottomon times and had turkish origin and commited crimes agianst thier own people and against Bosnjaks.

It is a fact that The Turks used people like Bulgarians, Serbs and Croats to kill Bosnjaks during the time of Gradascevic's revolt.

even the pro Turk Bosnjaks like you MR Saraj Fanatico attacked and killed thier own people.

[poutismalakas]

Yes we all know that. i was trying to say that the Turkish control of the Balkans and the territoiry of Bosnia was not 100% clean. And in many cases Bosnjaks were forced into paying higher taxes whilst the lucky Bosnjak beg's who mostly were of turkish origin stole of the ordinary people. - that is a fact!

also many Serbs and Croats became Begs during the ottomon times and had turkish origin and commited crimes agianst thier own people and against Bosnjaks.

It is a fact that The Turks used people like Bulgarians, Serbs and Croats to kill Bosnjaks during the time of Gradascevic's revolt.

even the pro Turk Bosnjaks like you MR Saraj Fanatico attacked and killed thier own people.

ok what does Bosnia have to do with Serbs attacking a US embasy in Serbia!?

[FR Sloboda]

Man go away, this thread is for South slavs - which is Bosnians, Serbs and Croats and you are not either. so go to the Turkish or Greek forum Poutis!

Mars u picku materinu

[Mirko Ganic]

How kind and polite would you be if the Mexicans living in California,Texas,Arizona ect declared independence from America?

eLcino:thumbsup:

They wouldn't be kind at all. Yet another example of land being stolen by the west to make up a country that is not real. I refuse to even accept Kosovo as a country.

[FR Sloboda]

Kosovo is a independent country now - end of story.

God bless the first amendment of Kosovo.

[poutismalakas]

Man go away, this thread is for South slavs - which is Bosnians, Serbs and Croats and you are not either. so go to the Turkish or Greek forum Poutis!

Mars u picku materinu

AH NOT I WILL NOT LEAVE! This is about Serbs attacking a the US embasy!

[Mirko Ganic]

Kosovo is a independent country now - end of story.

God bless the first amendment of Kosovo.

Land has been stolen. Do you remember in 1948 when land was stolen by the west and an artificial state called Israel was formed? Has the fighting stopped? Has it been forgotten?

Because Kosovo is probably to your liking or more probable Serbia's pain is more to your liking, you choose to look no further than the end of your nose.

[Saraj Fanático]

Yes we all know that. i was trying to say that the Turkish control of the Balkans and the territoiry of Bosnia was not 100% clean. And in many cases Bosnjaks were forced into paying higher taxes whilst the lucky Bosnjak beg's who mostly were of turkish origin stole of the ordinary people. - that is a fact!

also many Serbs and Croats became Begs during the ottomon times and had turkish origin and commited crimes agianst thier own people and against Bosnjaks.

It is a fact that The Turks used people like Bulgarians, Serbs and Croats to kill Bosnjaks during the time of Gradascevic's revolt.

even the pro Turk Bosnjaks like you MR Saraj Fanatico attacked and killed thier own people.


Well lets see those "facts". Bosniak, I dunno who told you this but Turks had no reason to tax us since Bogomils all ended up converting by free will after they saved us from further persecution. Yeah Turks killed so many Bosniaks during the Gradascevic uprising, they killed so many and destructed life's so badly that they actually allowed the very core of it all (Gradascevic himself) to move back into the Ottoman Empire where he died in Istanbul. :rolleyes:

[Saraj Fanático]

Okay if Bosniak doesn't present any good information and sources for me to respond to, I will not respond. Since I want this thread to slowly shift back to its original topic.

[nb-legenda]

@poutis That's why I'm not even commenting. Why is Bosnian topic always introduced to threads that are irrelevant to Bosnian topic? I'm sick of it. You're idiots, all of you

[poutismalakas]

Again where does it day anything about Bosnia and turks in the title of the thread? :focus:

[Pape]

Man go away, this thread is for South slavs - which is Bosnians, Serbs and Croats and you are not either. so go to the Turkish or Greek forum Poutis!

Mars u picku materinu


Translation to poutis, the moderator off this forum.

"Go back to your mothers pussy."

[Sarajbahçe]

^ lol pape
your such a weasel.. trying to get him banned ehh?

[Centarfor9]

Translation to poutis, the moderator off this forum.

"Go back to your mothers pussy."
:lol:

that is a lame insult (when translated into English that is)

[SiN]

:tsk: Will this ever stop?

[FR Sloboda]

Ok i am sorry poutis for my foul langauge but that was directed at non - slavs. hey - i hate it when people from Greece and Turkey tell me they know everything about Serbia and Bosnia when they are not from there, do not speak the langauge or understand the culture.

Oh and on topic now.

@mirko - say if Serbia was an autonomy and part of the hungarian banate today and in 1999 the Hungarians done an operation which killed 10, 000 serbs would you still like to be a part of hungary or to be free from them and start a new prosperous future.

A Kosoven independence is a good thing as long as The Serb minority are included in thier first amendment.

Ps: Kosovo has a first amendment that is the same as the EU'S AND the USA's which gives the serb minority rights.

[boris4c]

Since the end of the war in 1999 and the start of UN-controlled Kosovo ...

150 churches have been destroyed in NORTHERN Kosovo (Where majority is Serb!). Countless destroyed in Albanian majority areas.
220,000 Serbs have fled Kosovo to Central Serbia
2,000 Serbs have been killed
Countless Serbian houses have been ravaged
Serbian children need KFOR escort to school

... all of this under international supervision.

[Mirko Ganic]

Ok i am sorry poutis for my foul langauge but that was directed at non - slavs. hey - i hate it when people from Greece and Turkey tell me they know everything about Serbia and Bosnia when they are not from there, do not speak the langauge or understand the culture.

Oh and on topic now.

@mirko - say if Serbia was an autonomy and part of the hungarian banate today and in 1999 the Hungarians done an operation which killed 10, 000 serbs would you still like to be a part of hungary or to be free from them and start a new prosperous future.

A Kosoven independence is a good thing as long as The Serb minority are included in thier first amendment.

Ps: Kosovo has a first amendment that is the same as the EU'S AND the USA's which gives the serb minority rights.

How about the Albanians go back to Albania and create a country there called Kosovo? Would Albania like that? Hmmmm. Then the Serbs can be free to live in Serbia and not some stolen land.

[poutismalakas]

Ok i am sorry poutis for my foul langauge but that was directed at non - slavs. hey - i hate it when people from Greece and Turkey tell me they know everything about Serbia and Bosnia when they are not from there, do not speak the langauge or understand the culture.

Oh and on topic now.

@mirko - say if Serbia was an autonomy and part of the hungarian banate today and in 1999 the Hungarians done an operation which killed 10, 000 serbs would you still like to be a part of hungary or to be free from them and start a new prosperous future.

A Kosoven independence is a good thing as long as The Serb minority are included in thier first amendment.

Ps: Kosovo has a first amendment that is the same as the EU'S AND the USA's which gives the serb minority rights.


And I find it ANNOYING when people hijack threads with stuff that doesn't concren the thread ie Bosnian politics and history WHEN the thread is NOT about bosnian politics and history!!!!

And on a side note I'm thicker skinned then some of the thin skin mods here BUT I didn't deserve that insult! So from now on please WATCH YOUR MOUTH!

[FR Sloboda]

Well you got to realize the fact that the Kosovan Albanians struggle for thier homeland has been complete and they are now an independent state.

It could and should of been diffrent but - blame the war of 1997 -1999, that is when Serbia lost Kosova, you guys started a war over nothing and started massacaring albanian population and the albanians also hit back but were more discplined and controled people that wanted to bargain with serb prisoners in exchanges.


face the fact - The USA AND EU With the help of new world instuitions will make Kosova independent.

That is why i want Bosnia to be in the EU, to be a USA style state and a member of the new world instutiotons.

Bosnia and USA 4ever

[Milos_]

Their homeland is Albania they sould go struggle for that.

This article sums everything up perfectly:
http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=14912

[ARBANITAI]

the Albanian kosovars are the direct descendants of the central Illyrian tribe Dardania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardania_%28Europe%29 ,

an ancient Illyrian tribe lived in todays modern Kosova region. the native authoctone and descendants of these ancient ppl from that time today are the modern Albanians from Kosova, so yes Kosova is their homeland historically and truthfully.

NOW the Serbian HOMELAND !

what is true, is that the Serbs are not even from Balkans, ubelivable but very true! read History..

serbs dont belong from here at all.. look more.

the Serbian Homeland are not the Balkans, but the Carpathians, thats the historical serbian homeland, and thats where they came from to balkans first only in 7th century !

here, FEEL FREE to read a bit about the homeland of the Serbs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian

[ARBANITAI]

For those that think Kosova is serbian , I would like to ask them sincerity to use their Logic and think a bit before they talk or might think something else.

Lets go back to History , everything starts from there, and that is the best argument to solve solutions..

well the Serbs who set foot first time in balcans only in the 7th century, that is not more then 1500 years ago, (calculate by ur own) are claiming Kosova an ancient Illyrian-Albanian tribe from 200BC or older.

so now who has the right to claim the land ? the invaders or the authoctone native ppl ?

Be Honest!

[poutismalakas]

Ok so with your logic of Since Serbs was from the Eastern Europe they don't derserve to live in Kosovo EVEN thought have lived there for 1400 YEARS! Then all the Albanians that live in Greece and Italy should leave as well! Als othe Turks should leave Turkey and hell Americans should abandon the US! :rolleyes:

Also there is still debates going about the origin of the Albanian people and their relations to the Ancient Illyrians!

[ARBANITAI]

Ok so with your logic of Since Serbs was from the Eastern Europe they don't derserve to live in Kosovo EVEN thought have lived there for 1400 YEARS! Then all the Albanians that live in Greece and Italy should leave as well! Als othe Turks should leave Turkey and hell Americans should abandon the US! :rolleyes:

Also there is