Capello wins in 1st game

[Gunner]

to be honest, i wasnt expecting much this game. you cant make a team work before your first game. this was a trial to see what works. some good positives to take from it and hoping to see some more team fluency by the time the qualifiers come.

but over all job well done capello. nice one..

[valdanito_10]

i saw most of the game, england deserved their victory. The back line did get a little shacky towards the end, but nothing they couldnt handle.

I think capello is tipped to do a good job for england.

[Andygers]

Oh come on, England made a lot of shaky mistakes and just won. If Switzerland had of been trying they would have won....be honest.

[Walker]

I've heard various accounts offering no consensus. One fellow was man enough to admit that under McClaren, this game was a disaster, but under Capello things seemed in control.

I believe the influx of young guns trying to get their first caps will put pressure on the likes of Lampard and Terry, and we'll probably see the best form they can manage when they get back to regain their spots.

And I stand by that Joe Cole is one of the most underrated players in England.

[BRISTOLUK]

Right now, Switzerland are a team on the rise. They had a decent world cup in 2006 topping a Group that included finalists France. They were knocked out on penalties only by Ukraine.

Since then they've beaten Holland and Chile and held Argentina.

Given England's recent form and new regime, going into the game Switzerland had reasonable expectations of success.

I fail to see how it can be said they weren't trying. Did you see all those arms go up appealing for offside when SWP scored? Those are NOT the actions of a team not trying.

[FootballSpy007]

A job well done for England. There were a few jittery parts, but overall it was a good performance. You dont expect them to play amazing football in the first game, but I see a bright future under Capello.

[Gunner]

Oh come on, England made a lot of shaky mistakes and just won. If Switzerland had of been trying they would have won....be honest.

oh ***k off andygers. ur such a ****.

it was a good first goal. joe cole with some nice close ball skills setting a nice pass for jenas to tap in.

the second goal was actually pretty good, the backheel flick from rooney was class, if ronaldinho would have done it you would be screaming abotu how technically skilled that was so shut ur face.

weve only just got our new coach and are workin on our tactics, the passing was very good at times, and not good other times which was expected.

heres the highlights for you england fans.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AJMq0mPPzHw

[Sebastian]

The new ITALIAN coach of England will surelly make football players out of these Alcoholics...But they will oppose all the time,it's how their football is,a Slacker style...

[Gunner]

these alcoholics you call are some of the best in the world. capello wudnt coach them if he diddnt think so.

ur not even italian u fake ***k so crawl back to ur hole.

[Sebastian]

these alcoholics you call are some of the best in the world. capello wudnt coach them if he diddnt think so.

ur not even italian u fake ***k so crawl back to ur hole.

He wants to coach England who is a great country,unlike these lame excuses of football parodies who represent it.
Some of the best players in the world???:Pound:...Who are they???Rooney and The goal keeper what's his name???

I dont have to be an Italian to know what is football and what is a parody of football with such slimy results that it is getting even sad...

The Italian football is the Top Gun movie and the English one it's his Hot Shots parody movie with Charlie Sheen...

So it's only reserved for the Italians to be a fan of the Italian football...Ok...
What a loser...

[Gunner]

ok, and what am i supposed to take from what you just said?

who are some of the best players in the world? why dont u look in the fifa team of 2007/8. it has a gerrard and terry for example. probably the best defender and def midfielder right now.

[Sebastian]

Those work only on that paper and on Playstation 3 games...The best players actually bring results and they at least qualify their country for a competition like the European one.
Terry???Nesta and Cannavaro are ten times better than him as for Gerrard,he works for the English national team like an F1 car on watter...Pirlo and De Rossi are ten times more pragmatic then him...Pirlo isnt quite a defansive mid fielder,but he can perform that role gracefully as he is probably the most versatile mid fielder of today...

[CambriaFan]

The first half performance wasn't great and there were a lot of mistakes particularly from the England defence. After half time, the team played better and made more chances with Joe Cole and Bentley easily the best players in my opinion.

Overall, a nice confidence booster for England but remember this was against a weakened Swiss team who haven't played a competitive fixture for 2 years. As Walker pointed out, if the same performance had happened when an under-fire McLaren was in charge, it woudn't have received anywhere near the great review that it got under Capello. So good - but not great :)

[CambriaFan]

these alcoholics you call are some of the best in the world.
Joe Cole and Gerrard are England's only players who could be regarded as top 10 or even top 20 in the world for their position so are therefore the only ones who are anywhere near world-class.

capello wudnt coach them if he diddnt think so.
There are 11 countries which are better than england but none can match the £5million a year he is payed. Have a little think about that :)...

[Andygers]

oh ***k off andygers. ur such a ****.

it was a good first goal. joe cole with some nice close ball skills setting a nice pass for jenas to tap in.

the second goal was actually pretty good, the backheel flick from rooney was class, if ronaldinho would have done it you would be screaming abotu how technically skilled that was so shut ur face.

weve only just got our new coach and are workin on our tactics, the passing was very good at times, and not good other times which was expected.

heres the highlights for you england fans.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AJMq0mPPzHw Thanks for the complement Paul ;)

I was just saying Switzerland didn't look like a team who where 100% trying to win that game. I will admit both goals were class but I cannot believe that people said that England played well, I had a choice to watch that game or the Croatia-Holland match, i think I made the wrong choice.....

[nb-legenda]

There are 11 countries which are better than england but none can match the £5million a year he is payed. Have a little think about that :)...

it's England... :)

[Gunner]

do u think capello really needs the money? lol the guys stinking rich anyways, this was his challange.

every team goes through bad patches. and it takes someone special to bring the team back on form.

england are still one of the best in the world, regardless of what you think :)

just wait till capello develops our youngsters. england will be deadly i promise you

[Andygers]

^ We've heard this all before, under Eriksson you guys were going to win the world cup but when he did not deliver he was gone. Then under McLaren you guys flopped and he was sacked. What if you don't qualify for the WC, what will happen then???? England put too much pressure on their players to succeed and that is why they fail.

[Gunner]

erriksson did well for us, i never complained, we got to the quarter finals every time, beat countrys like argentina and germany.

mclaren was a terrible coach. ive always said that, now we have capello, who i think is better than errikson. he will bring us back up.

[Andygers]

mclaren was a terrible coach. ive always said that, now we have capello, who i think is better than errikson. he will bring us back up. Where is back up in your estimation, i think that getting to the world cup would be an achievement for England.

[FootballSpy007]

Listen everyone! Time will tell whether Capello will lead us to success or not. He might be a hero, he might be a total flop. We will never know unless we be patient and see what happens. Stop bashing us just because of what's happened in the past. This is a fresh start for England under Capello, we don't need your negative comments (Andygers). Just because your league and national team is seriously shit, and you need your players to play in the Premier League to become anything good, and Celtic and Rangers are the only two good teams in your pathetic shithole of a league, and even they probably wouldn't hack it in the Premier League. I know you Scottish hate the English, but get off our dicks already!

[CambriaFan]

Listen everyone! Time will tell whether Capello will lead us to success or not. He might be a hero, he might be a total flop. We will never know unless we be patient and see what happens. Stop bashing us just because of what's happened in the past. This is a fresh start for England under Capello, we don't need your negative comments (Andygers). Just because your league and national team is seriously shit, and you need your players to play in the Premier League to become anything good, and Celtic and Rangers are the only two good teams in your pathetic shithole of a league, and even they probably wouldn't hack it in the Premier League. I know you Scottish hate the English, but get off our dicks already!

Seriously though, stop bottling it up and tell us what you really think. :rolleyes: :lol:

This is a football forum and we like to discuss football. Part of that is predicting what will happen in future matches and competitions. No-one knows what will happen for sure so we have to base our predictions on what we've seen in the recent past. Understand?

Capello has made only small changes to the squad McLaren used, and IMO managers aren't nearly as influencial as players, so what I would argue is that England's results will probably only change slightly (if at all). Andy's opinion that getting to a WC would be an achievement for England seems perfectly sensible to me. They didn't qualify for the last tournament so Capello's first aim should be to make it to the next one.

And don't try and insult our nation by slagging our league cause we have a better sense of humour and aren't quite as far up our own backsides to let that affect us :). On the other hand, if there were Scots constantly claiming on other threads that we had the best league, the best footballing nation, best players etc etc... then we'd deserve all the criticism we'd get.

[BRISTOLUK]

Capello has made only small changes to the squad McLaren used, and IMO managers aren't nearly as influencial as players,

Managers can make an enormous difference.
Not always, but one only needs to see what Graham Taylor did with Bobby Robson's team (just three retirements from WC90) and then the turnaround Venables achieved with the same players Taylor could do nothing with.

Hoddle continued what Venables had improved on and then with the same players available, Keegan messed up.

Then Sven came in and turned it around again. He got England through ALL qualifiers and to three QFs in a row. McClaren, even with the advantages of being involved in that success (by England's standards) had the same players available, made small changes and turned quarter finalists into qualification failures.

In England's case a change of coach has made big differences on 5 out of the previous 6 changes of managers.

[superstrikers]

Yes, he is a very good coach. No doubt...

[Gunner]

england will be great again. theres too much effort and money going into the squad for it not to happen.

[Andygers]

Listen everyone! Time will tell whether Capello will lead us to success or not. He might be a hero, he might be a total flop. We will never know unless we be patient and see what happens. Stop bashing us just because of what's happened in the past. This is a fresh start for England under Capello, we don't need your negative comments (Andygers). Just because your league and national team is seriously shit, and you need your players to play in the Premier League to become anything good, and Celtic and Rangers are the only two good teams in your pathetic shithole of a league, and even they probably wouldn't hack it in the Premier League. I know you Scottish hate the English, but get off our dicks already! My god, this is exactly what has happened in the past to England. The new manager comes into the job and is put under immense pressure, I mean at 0-0 on Wednesday the fans started to boo the players!!!!! Then when the players don't play well enough for the fans liking (i.e winning a major tournament) they turn on the team and make it even worse and once they sack that manager they start going "who can we bring in to win the world cup?" and it just goes round in a circle. You guys have to lower your estimation of how well the team can do, like start by saying "If we get to the next world cup then Capello has done his job, then in the next Euro's to get out of the groups and into the first knockout stage." That is how the team can build confidence.

And by the way don't start on Scotland, at least we can get our own home grown manager :)

[Andygers]

Seriously though, stop bottling it up and tell us what you really think. :rolleyes: :lol:

This is a football forum and we like to discuss football. Part of that is predicting what will happen in future matches and competitions. No-one knows what will happen for sure so we have to base our predictions on what we've seen in the recent past. Understand?

Capello has made only small changes to the squad McLaren used, and IMO managers aren't nearly as influencial as players, so what I would argue is that England's results will probably only change slightly (if at all). Andy's opinion that getting to a WC would be an achievement for England seems perfectly sensible to me. They didn't qualify for the last tournament so Capello's first aim should be to make it to the next one.

And don't try and insult our nation by slagging our league cause we have a better sense of humour and aren't quite as far up our own backsides to let that affect us :). On the other hand, if there were Scots constantly claiming on other threads that we had the best league, the best footballing nation, best players etc etc... then we'd deserve all the criticism we'd get. Thank you Cambria, at least theres someone here who is talking sense. Anyway for most countries getting to a World Cup is an achievement, so i don't see why it should be any different for England.

[CambriaFan]

Managers can make an enormous difference.
Not always, but one only needs to see what Graham Taylor did with Bobby Robson's team (just three retirements from WC90) and then the turnaround Venables achieved with the same players Taylor could do nothing with.

Hoddle continued what Venables had improved on and then with the same players available, Keegan messed up.

Then Sven came in and turned it around again. He got England through ALL qualifiers and to three QFs in a row. McClaren, even with the advantages of being involved in that success (by England's standards) had the same players available, made small changes and turned quarter finalists into qualification failures.

In England's case a change of coach has made big differences on 5 out of the previous 6 changes of managers.

Thats a very good post BristolUK. I accept that managers have made a difference in the past for England but all I was trying to say is that players are capable of making much more of a difference than their coaches. Therefore - when things go wrong players should take at least the same if not more of the criticism than the manager. In England, the culture is to pin all the blame on the manager because the public don't want to slag the players they have built up to be 'the best in the world'.

And another thought. Players must be the same nationality as the nation they represent (or at least be closely linked through immediate relatives). This is used to make sure that the World/Euro Champions are the country with the best team, so they deserve the success. If a manager (as you point out) makes such a significant difference to results - shouldn't the same nationality rules apply to them?

[BRISTOLUK]

I accept that managers have made a difference in the past for England but all I was trying to say is that players are capable of making much more of a difference than their coaches.

Too true. The current crop of England players appear to need more 'guidance' though. Granted that doesn't say much for them.;)


And another thought. Players must be the same nationality as the nation they represent (or at least be closely linked through immediate relatives). This is used to make sure that the World/Euro Champions are the country with the best team, so they deserve the success. If a manager (as you point out) makes such a significant difference to results - shouldn't the same nationality rules apply to them?

I'm not as bothered by nationality of coaching staff compared to players. I've bolded players in your sentence because that's just it; The rules dictate conditions for players, not others. It's what happens on the pitch that counts. Obviously coaches can influence that but so could a psychologist. Even a tea lady - some people make a better cuppa than others with the same ingredients available. :lol:

Where does one draw the line? I'd draw it between players and everyone else.

[CambriaFan]

^ I'd have everyone on the staff present their passports before joining the national set-up - tea ladies included :) :lol:

[Wabbit]

They needed an italian to make a move...we'll see if England can take this advantage that God gave them :lol:

[BRISTOLUK]

^ I'd have everyone on the staff present their passports before joining the national set-up - tea ladies included :) :lol:

Maybe we should have a competition for who makes the best cuppa. It could be called The Tea Cup.
:rolleyes:

[Wabbit]

I think all what england now is to talk out to some players to become english..such as Gatusso Luka Toni, Andrea Pirlo, Camoranessi....that would help the team a lot! :lol:

jk

[Gunner]

many national teams have coaches of different nationality. japan, portugal etc, and they work wonders for them. the same with england, sven was a great coach, capello will be even betta. im happy..

and who said we dont have any good managers. Harry Redknap is a ***king awesome manager. he will probably be next after capello.

[Wabbit]

I kno man I was just joking..u know...ever since Croatia game...everyone takes a small advantage to make fun of England...

[Gunner]

yeh, its just funny when people say were terrible and have no talent. jesus we have so many new players coming in the england team is gonna look very different this world cup.

[Gunner]

yeh, its just funny when people say were terrible and have no talent. jesus we have so many new players coming in the england team is gonna look very different this world cup.

[Wabbit]

^I hope so, no WC is good with out England fighting there..specially for us :D

[Gunner]

where r u from b rabbit?

[CambriaFan]

and who said we dont have any good managers. Harry Redknap is a ***king awesome manager.

I know he is. So WHY DIDN'T THEY HIRE HIM!!?? :) :lol:

[Wabbit]

^Thats actually a good question!

[Wabbit]

where r u from b rabbit?

Take a guess! :D

^.^

[())__Green__))>]

who cares about England..
its not like they are going to win it anyways

[Gunner]

you guys seem to care. and a lot lol.

harry is very good manager. but unfortunately for him, he wasnt picked this time, thats life. its not exactly a terrible thing not to be picked over fabio capello.

harry will get his chance and i can see him being a great manager for us.

[Wabbit]

who cares about England..
its not like they are going to win it anyways

England is always there to fight for the WC so dont say no one cares...they invented football, we wouldnt be talking right now if it wasnt for them

They went through some bad time on the euro but now they r getting better...

[CambriaFan]

Maybe we should have a competition for who makes the best cuppa. It could be called The Tea Cup.
:rolleyes:
:lol: At last...a competition Scotland might win. :)

...oh unless we get invited back to the Kirin Cup :)

[Wabbit]

^Hahahahahah!! :lol:

[Sebastian]

England is always there to fight for the WC so dont say no one cares...they invented football, we wouldnt be talking right now if it wasnt for them

They went through some bad time on the euro but now they r getting better...

he most frequent question a football supporter asks himself is, without any doubt, "Who invented Football?". Of course, there is a lot of controversy around the answer. The two countries that are fighting for the historical honor are Italy and England. Most of the Europeans think it’s the latter.
After all, the first stadium that was invested with artificial lighting was the Wembley Arena. That seems to be their main argument when asked to give you a reason.

The Italians, on the other hand, do not agree. Their opinion is that the Italy Peninsula was the first place to witness the "king of sports". And, of course, who can argue with them? As a matter of fact, both nations cannot be proven wrong. Still, it seems that England is the one nation closer to the truth. After the latest news coming from the Aberdeen Library, it seems that the Scottish people is the one that invented football.

David Wedderburn, teacher of the Aberdeen Grammar School, has written a book that can prove that. "Vocabula" shows a detailed story about the game’s rules. And, in order for you to believe me, I’m going to show you a short paragraph of his book. The indications in the paragraph refer to his pupils.

"Let's pick sides. Those who are on the outside, come over here. Kick off, so that we can begin the match...Pass it here".

A 1711 manuscript of the book – written in 1663 – was stored in the Scottish National Library, in Aberdeen.

"The book is the first evidence we have come across of a passing game with goalkeepers and players passing the ball to score goals. The other interesting thing is that the FA was not formed until 1863. In the first FA rule book there is no mention of goalkeepers and the game is based more on a rugby-type structure, where players could not pass the ball forward. Scotland has a fantastic claim to have developed the modern game. It is frankly an amazing discovery and one which is hard to dispute", said Richard McBrearty, the curator of the Scottish Football Museum.

Someone who spends so much cash on football and who sucks that bad,couldnt invent football and Italians are also full of shit on the matter...

[Sebastian]

It is not blindly to believe in stuff like this,but of course the English just as anyone else will try to profit from all of this as their's unique creation...

[Gunner]

ah deary me elcino..

england invented most of the sports you see. the kind of sporting events that italians invented in rome many years ago are events like javelin, running, etc in the legendary rome olympics.

rugby
cricket
football

all english

just the name is a bit of a give away lol doesnt that tell you anything? FOOTBALL, or as others call it FUTBOL, which is just them spelling it the way they pronounce it.

if not it would be like pie ballon?

i rest my case on that one.

[Wabbit]

^*balón pie


elCino always have a good point I got to give him that.

In my case...no matter who invented or who was the first person to use a ball and play football...thanks for to no matter who.

By the way.....cricket is no a sport...or at least it shouldn't...:p

[nb-legenda]

The English invented it, the rest of the world perfected it.

[CambriaFan]

After the latest news coming from the Aberdeen Library, it seems that the Scottish people is the one that invented football.

David Wedderburn, teacher of the Aberdeen Grammar School, has written a book that can prove that. "Vocabula" shows a detailed story about the game’s rules. And, in order for you to believe me, I’m going to show you a short paragraph of his book. The indications in the paragraph refer to his pupils.

"Let's pick sides. Those who are on the outside, come over here. Kick off, so that we can begin the match...Pass it here".

A 1711 manuscript of the book – written in 1663 – was stored in the Scottish National Library, in Aberdeen.

"The book is the first evidence we have come across of a passing game with goalkeepers and players passing the ball to score goals. The other interesting thing is that the FA was not formed until 1863. In the first FA rule book there is no mention of goalkeepers and the game is based more on a rugby-type structure, where players could not pass the ball forward. Scotland has a fantastic claim to have developed the modern game. It is frankly an amazing discovery and one which is hard to dispute", said Richard McBrearty, the curator of the Scottish Football Museum.[/b]


Very interesting eLcino :clap2:

I've heard this before and it would be nice to think Scotland invented football but it is impossible to prove any nation created the game. There were numerous forms of ball games in the 18th and 17th centuries and even before... but none - not even England's attempt in 1863 (as you mentioned) -resembled modern football.

At least we have a claim and although it can't be proved true - it can't be proved false either so we can use it to annoy the English whenever they claim to be the footballing fathers....and for a Scotsman annoying the English is all that really matters ;)

...but theoretically if we invented football does that mean we can change the rules so we always win? :) :lol:

[CambriaFan]

just the name is a bit of a give away lol doesnt that tell you anything? FOOTBALL, or as others call it FUTBOL, which is just them spelling it the way they pronounce it.


That just suggests it was invented by an English-speaking country. But what about Scots? We speak English (sort of :))... so we would have called it football.

[CambriaFan]

That is a silly statement. So, American Samoa and every other country in the world perfected football?

No but the influence of many countries has shaped the game into what we know as modern football. For the first 20-30+ years the English played the sport like Rugby with players just running with the ball and never passing unless they were tackled. Believe it or not it was actually Scotland who introduced the idea of getting through the defence by a quick short passing game!!

But this was nothing compared to the impact that came from continental Europe and South America whose technical abilities overtook the original physical style that relied on brute strength.

Thats the great thing about football - its truly global. The English probably did invent football and its a great thing they did. But whoever did, they didn't keep it to themselves and by sharing it around the globe we have all created the greatest sport ever. Isn't that nice? :)

[Gunner]

well us english aint known to be greedy bastards, look at the foreigners we let in and house them and give them benifits. lol damn our english flag is a little too similar looking to the Red Cross? the charity thing? lol oh dearrr

we need to be more like australia, lay down the law to imagrants when they come in, you can have a house, but you will work from day 1 and pay tax like everyone else, and not claim benifits or ask for laws to change to suit your religion, you come to this country to live then you should respect OUR laws and way of living.

[Wabbit]

^This is getting off topic now...what do immigrant laws(tho I agree with that) have to do with Capello????

[Sebastian]

^*balón pie


By the way.....cricket is no a sport...or at least it shouldn't...:p

:lol:..Cricket is ridiculous by all means...I mean baseball is another thing,it's cool,but this one is outrageous...

[Sebastian]

CambriaFan,you would be surprised how much fabrication there is in our history...Especially when something like football is concerned.
I am not implying that England fabricated this,but we are talking about perhaps the most influential country in the world...They have shaped the world's policy and when football is concerned i doubt that they havent used their Mass suggestion to convince the world that they are it's designers...
Propaganda is the philosophy of the Modern world and of the capitalistic society which proved that it is the most flexible social system.
I seriously doubt that England invented football...You made a good point of the etymology of the term Football,it is an English word,but that doesnt have to mean that is necessarily English,and it isnt a substantial proof.

When the First World Cup was about to begin England refused to participate.They refused to participate for a long time,cos they believed because they are it's creators and they are the ones that should dictate where and how it should be played :lol:...Pretty dumb thing damn it...:Pound:..Only when they realized how Global it become,they thought"Hey this is our stuff and now we can be proud of it without being greedy and selfish about it"...
Scotland cant go against the English influence when the origin of the Football is concerned...No way,but as we can see there are serious suggestions that the Scottish nation really invented the most passionate sport in our history...I love them for that...I love their ridiculous English accent.There was this cartoon on Cartoon Network with Weasel & Baboon and there was this banana who talked English with Scottish Accent...I laughed my mitocondrion off..
What bothers me the most is the term Soccer...How the hell did this name substituted the original name???
It is ludicrous,does it have something to do with socs or what???:confused:...Soccer...what the hell is that damn it...

[Sebastian]

well us english aint known to be greedy bastards, look at the foreigners we let in and house them and give them benifits. lol damn our english flag is a little too similar looking to the Red Cross? the charity thing? lol oh dearrr

we need to be more like australia, lay down the law to imagrants when they come in, you can have a house, but you will work from day 1 and pay tax like everyone else, and not claim benifits or ask for laws to change to suit your religion, you come to this country to live then you should respect OUR laws and way of living.

Although i agree with this completely,i wonder what the hell has this to do with the Subject???It's like discussing about Ronaldo's recent injury and someone starts talking about Bjork all of a sudden...

[Gunner]

Never Mind..

Anyways Back To England And Capello, Next Game Is Against France I Do Believe. Blimey What A Tough One That Will Be. France Who Are Quite On Form Against A Rebuilding English Squad. Its Alot To Ask For But Hopefully We Can Win This

[CambriaFan]

I think England should be able to battle to a 0-0 draw in France.

Do you think they'll be able to win and prove themselves as good as Scotland? ;)

[Gunner]

scotland did well to beat france, twice, which was unbelievable, yes. but i doubt youl ever beat them again.

and i would love nothing better than to play scotland in a friendly soon

[CambriaFan]

^ Yeah that would great but unfortunately I doubt it will happen till 2009 now :(

England offered the SFA a chance to play them at Wembley at the end of May but Scotland refused as that date is only 4 days after the Scottish Cup Final. If Rangers played Celtic then more than half of the Scotland team would be in action and the SFA insisted they wouldn't play England if the team's chance of doing well would be affected in any way.

I'm disappointed by this because win, lose or draw a trip to Wembley would be great for the Tartan Army and for many would be just as good as getting to Euro 2008.

[Gunner]

dont worry me old china, youll get your chance to walk out to wembley stadium soon.. :)

[CambriaFan]

they should probably secure the goalposts before we come this time :lol: :)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44256000/jpg/_44256453_scots_203.jpg

[Gunner]

hahaha. yeh these scottish tactics of goal post removals dont count in the modern day game :)

although i would love to see that happen!

[Wabbit]

Well anyone can beat France..except Brazil! hahaha