Players who don't belong on Fenerbahce

[F_PC_ENTER]

In this thread, we discuss/debate our opinions in regards to players who we feel do not belong on Fenerbahce.

I'll start my list:

-Ali Bilgin: adds nothing extra to the team that we didn't already have before he came. He's a good player, but Fener don't need him. He should goto BJK, Trabzonspor, or GS where his technique will be much appreciated.

-Selcuk Sahin: just taking up space.

-Wederson: again, he's an ok player, but I don't think he's a FB-calibre player. Why did we get this player anyway? Just for his [sub-par] crosses? The only MAIN positive thing about him is that he's Brazilian, and therefore makes the environment a little more comfortable for Carlos, Alex, Edu, Aurelio and whatever more Brazilians there are on this team :D

-Kemal: who?

-Kezman: it actually pains me to admit that this guy is of no use to the team, except for his "name". Such a shame that he couldn't get back to his PSV days while with Fener. He just completely spiraled downwards after PSV and has been declining ever since. As a result, he doesn't belong on this team.


Now, no offense to any of these players. They ARE good players, but I just think FB can do better.

I was also tempted to add Kazim to the list, but I think he'll get better as days go on.

Feel free to add to the list and/or criticize it.

[Fenerliyim]

I think Vederson on the left flank really works well with carlos, imo he should stay, they have a great chemistry.

I agree with rest. U might add Can Arat as well, he hasnt improved himself much at all in the past couple years.

[SiN]

Alex De Souza? :D

[Metink5]

yea i think Wederson was a nice addition to the sqaud. I was expecting more from Bilgin but he still has time to impress. I honestly thought when we bought Gokhan that it would be a useless buy, but look how that turned out. So i guess time will tell.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Alex De Souza? :D
Yes i mean, definitly. Every game he plays we win with 2+goals...Ijust do not like that, get rid of the guy now :lol::lol::lol:

I feel like ilhan parlak is really on our team for no reason..I kinda feel bad for him. We should loan him.

[Zare]

tumer metin, can arat, selcuk sahin, semih senturk, ugur boral, kemal aslan, ali bilgin, edu, gohkan gonul, kezman.

i know you will all disagree with me on a few of them but my explanations are there

tumer metin: we dont need a pansy, some guy running away from serving his time with the army

can arat: this guy is a gang member, remember when he wore his little mexican wipe on his first days playing, this guy does nothing productive

selcuk sahin: this guy is ugly and sucks

semih senturk: havent liked this guy for 3+ years and never will. yes he has scored, but after seeing him take off the fener jersey to show off his wife and kids, shows disrespect to the club, then he sucks on his finger as if he is robinho, i hate robinho as well.

ugur boral: shame he hasnt pushed himself to learn something from the brazilians, shows no growth.

kemal aslan: ugh nuff said, no one likes this guy.

ali bilgin: hes a solid player not of quality. he'll manage the position but we need a back up to alex's calibre. if you cant do it, then dont play.

edu: this guy has been on the downward spiral, own goals, mistakes in the champions league, etc. could cost us more problems then we need. lugano is our solid CB and i hope he doesnt go anywhere for a long time.

gokhan gonul: this guy is small, produces defensive mistakes, hate his hair-do (he looks gay), i dont know where this guy came from, but bring back onder turaci please.

kezman: can never leave this guy off the list. he sucks period.

[SiN]

Wow Zare, you have got some real hate bottled up inside of you :lol:

Feel better now you let it all out? :D

[Cihangir]

One thing Zare, Gökhan Gönül is the future. You might not like his hair-do but you'll see him on the NT for a long time.

[el Turco]

You dont think Gokhan Gonul deserves to be on Fener??????

The guy is the best rb we've had in years.

[Fenerliyim]

Wow i totally disagree with u on Semih and Gokhan.

[Metink5]

yea and most of your reasons aren't really based on anything except there looks lol :D

[Zare]

Fenerbahce has been on the rise recently. They are growing and I believe we are breaking through the level where we can start bringing in people of class. I don't really dislike these people just for their looks, i get pissed off when i see wrong passes from them continuously. He might be alright in the TSL, but when it comes down to playing against the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Ibrahamovic, Drogba, Torres, Tevez, list goes on. The likes of these strikers have bigger builds and are going to be faster than him. They will over power him. He doesn't have the greatest decision making skills when it comes down in a hectic counter attack or what not. He just doesn't have the experience, and we need experience. We have the money to bring in the people, and that is why we are bringing in the new DM, to help out in the back.

[Fry36]

tumer metin, can arat, selcuk sahin, semih senturk, ugur boral, kemal aslan, ali bilgin, edu, gohkan gonul, kezman.

i know you will all disagree with me on a few of them but my explanations are there

tumer metin: we dont need a pansy, some guy running away from serving his time with the army

can arat: this guy is a gang member, remember when he wore his little mexican wipe on his first days playing, this guy does nothing productive

selcuk sahin: this guy is ugly and sucks

semih senturk: havent liked this guy for 3+ years and never will. yes he has scored, but after seeing him take off the fener jersey to show off his wife and kids, shows disrespect to the club, then he sucks on his finger as if he is robinho, i hate robinho as well.

ugur boral: shame he hasnt pushed himself to learn something from the brazilians, shows no growth.

kemal aslan: ugh nuff said, no one likes this guy.

ali bilgin: hes a solid player not of quality. he'll manage the position but we need a back up to alex's calibre. if you cant do it, then dont play.

edu: this guy has been on the downward spiral, own goals, mistakes in the champions league, etc. could cost us more problems then we need. lugano is our solid CB and i hope he doesnt go anywhere for a long time.

gokhan gonul: this guy is small, produces defensive mistakes, hate his hair-do (he looks gay), i dont know where this guy came from, but bring back onder turaci please.

kezman: can never leave this guy off the list. he sucks period.

Wow, glad you're not the manager.

[Cihangir]

Fenerbahce has been on the rise recently. They are growing and I believe we are breaking through the level where we can start bringing in people of class. I don't really dislike these people just for their looks, i get pissed off when i see wrong passes from them continuously. He might be alright in the TSL, but when it comes down to playing against the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Ibrahamovic, Drogba, Torres, Tevez, list goes on. The likes of these strikers have bigger builds and are going to be faster than him. They will over power him. He doesn't have the greatest decision making skills when it comes down in a hectic counter attack or what not. He just doesn't have the experience, and we need experience. We have the money to bring in the people, and that is why we are bringing in the new DM, to help out in the back.

Spend the money and bring in the foreigner will never do good for Turkish Football. We need good Turkish players and where the hell do you think they will gain experience? In the TSL of course! If he's good at TSL it means he's gotta stay. Just because Fenerbahçe had a good run in the CL lately, all of a sudden doesn't mean they are top competitors anyway.
Plus in order to be in the CL you have to have good players which will do good in TSL right?

[F_PC_ENTER]

Zare,

I agree with your list, but not about your views on Gokhan. This guy is gonna be something, if not already. His timing, effort, "smarts", etc is a great piece of the puzzle for Fenerbahce. PLUS, he's Turkish.

And about Edu, yes he's made a few costly errors, but for the most part, I think he's alright and can only get better playing along side Lugano and Roberto Carlos.

But this is my opinion only. :)

[Metink5]

Gokhan-Lugano-Edu-Carlos is the strongest back 4 that i could possibly think we could have...and i hope it stays for a while i think they all compliment each other and Lugano is just a beast

[Cihangir]

I mean just look at his (Gökhan Gönül) performance at the 1st Inter match. The guy had his CL debut that day and simply ripped. He had a glorious performance that day.

[Fry36]

I mean just look at his (Gökhan Gönül) performance at the 1st Inter match. The guy had his CL debut that day and simply ripped. He had a glorious performance that day.

Doubled his performance in both PSV games home and away against a forward like Farfan. Also was one of the best on the field against BJK. He's managed to wear the NT jersey in like a few weeks after his TSL debut. The guy is promising, people need to accept that.

[Zare]

ill give him a chance, with all you guys putting your 2 cents into it. but ill still be critical on his performances.

[F_PC_ENTER]

lol, no offense but, [and I don't know if you speak Turkish], but:

ister 'give him a chance', ister 'dont give him a chance'

lmao, it's as if you're making yourself some kind of judge and jury with regards to Gokhan's skill level.

Whether you like it or not, Gokhan's a terrific, up and coming player.

[Fry36]

lol, no offense but, [and I don't know if you speak Turkish], but:

ister 'give him a chance', ister 'dont give him a chance'

lmao, it's as if you're making yourself some kind of judge and jury with regards to Gokhan's skill level.

Whether you like it or not, Gokhan's a terrific, up and coming player.

:lol::lol:

[aslanlar]

Being a GS supporter, i'm just really unhappy that GS didn't get him. He's the best young talent in the squad that Fener has at the moment.

[aykutanil]

I believe that our current squad has the most talented players since i have watched football. However, talented player doesn't mean to be technique player. If the most technique player had been best player, Anelka wolud be best, but you ll see he ll move somewhere else from Chelsea soon.

The players that i don't appreciate, are Ali Bilgin, Can Arat, Yasin and Selçuk Şahin. However, i m sure that these are also good enough, we just need to loan them for a while to have better performance on them.

I don't agree about comments of Kemal and Vederson. Surely, they re talented players.If i were Zico, i would replace Kemal with Aurelio and use him along Maldonado.

About Vederson, you just need to watch his harmony with Roberto Carlos. I admit that Uğur is more talented player but he hasn't had enough harmony with R.Carlos as Vederson had.

[Fry36]

Replace Kemal with Aurelio? To play with Maldonado? We haven't even seen Maldonado play yet. Besides, Aurelio is the best DM in the league (good enough to be picked for the National team) and you're subbing him for someone who hasn't played in over a year? :confused:

[nb-legenda]

Kezman isn't bad...did he not score 4 goals in last 2 games?? but on the pitch, I have to admit he doesn't play with heart... but when he's in the good mood, he's one of the best in the world. he's a legend at PSV

[F_PC_ENTER]

Yeah man, but I don't blame Kezman as much as others about his lack of goals.

You have to remember, Fenerbahce has a huge South American contingent. They're used to playing a particular style.

In the Sivas match and the G.Antep match, there were 2 positions where had Deivid (at least in the Sivas match) neatly passed it to Kezman, he would've scored, 100%. And when Kezman didn't receive those passes, he was frustrated and yelling at Deivid. I would've done the same as Kezman.

So that, along with the fact that Kezman has been in a general slump have not helped him return to his PSV days.

But scoring 4 goals in 2 consecutive games can only boost his morale, cuz I truly want Kezman to be a successful part of Fenerbahce for at least a couple more seasons.

[Fenerliyim]

actually imo Kezman plays with a lot of heart, he just couldnt finish. Thats wat pisses us of

[aykutanil]

Replace Kemal with Aurelio? To play with Maldonado? We haven't even seen Maldonado play yet. Besides, Aurelio is the best DM in the league (good enough to be picked for the National team) and you're subbing him for someone who hasn't played in over a year? :confused:


I know Aurelio is OK, but i m definately sure that Kemal ll do better than Aurelio if he can have chance to play. Aurelio has better defensive abilities than Kemal, but the best for defense is Maldonado. I know anyone hasn't watched him yet in Turkey, however i ve some brasilian friends and they just tell that he is excellent with perfect tackling ability together with great passing after tackle.

Kemal just needs to play for having more self-confidence. I can remember the past of Aurelio, he improved his skills a lot and when i do a comparison between Aurelio and Kemal, i believe that Kemal ll do better than Aurelio if he has chance to play.

[Fry36]

I don't believe Kemal can come close to Aurelio's performance. Aurelio has been with us for years, with pretty much no bad performances. He must be the most consistent player in the league. He barely gets injured while Kemal's injured all the time. Aurelio takes his job seriously, while Kemal is only heard of when there are Brazilian egg smashings in practice. Aurelio is still playing for the NT and saving it, while Kemal will have to work his way through 4 players to even get a chance to satisfy Zico. Kemal is the weakest link in the team right now, below Deniz, Aurelio, and Selcuk when it comes to playing in the midfield. (not counting Maldonado yet).

Aurelio is THE perfect defensive midfielder. No wait, the perfect midfielder period. I haven't seen much improvement from Kemal since the day he came, to be honest. He's only had a good performance in a GS game years ago, and after that he broke his leg and didn't play for years. Every time he got a chance to prove himself, he ***ked it up by just playing to his defense, except for the game against Gaziantep. I expected him to rip shit against Belediye, but he figured it was a good idea to stand still and not be noticed.

[Zare]

i think maldonado will become a super sub, bring him on in 60th minute for alex or something, when we are on top, so we can hold the line in the back, and not get scored on. i dont know, we just have to see how he plays. just an idea before seeing him play in the TSL

[F_PC_ENTER]

I think Maldonado might be a player whose name might be mentioned in this thread as a player who doesn't belong on FB.

Why exactly did FB get this [foreign-spot] player? FB already have Deniz, Selcuk, and Kemal for that position; and these guys aren't THATTTTT much "worse" than Maldonado.

What has Maldonado accomplished? Has no European experience. More importantly, he takes up an ever-so valuable foreigner spot.

I think FB rushed into making SOME transfer so that noone says that FB didn't make any moves during the transfer window.

[Fry36]

I think you're rushing into making judgments about a player none of us really knows much about yet. I agree about the amount of center-mids we have but Deniz has been injured the past 10 something weeks, Kemal can't be trusted for more than a few games because he's bound to injure himself, Appiah is a lost cause, and there's only Aurelio and Selcuk left. We would have to get a player to use as a sub regardless, and Zico decided buying a first team player who wouldn't cry about being subbed once in a while was a better decision. Besides, we don't know if Aurelio is going to stay next semester. The games against Sevilla were probably thought about, also.

The fact of the matter is, against Sevilla, our only advantages are our strong midfield and Alex. Our wings are the best we can come up with right now, but still not on Sevilla standards. We have to use what we got, and transferring Maldonado was a good move imo.

[Fenerliyim]

does Figo play LW, i dont think he does, but hes a free agent this summer and he would be a decent signing imo if he doesnt retire

[F_PC_ENTER]

Looks like after today's game against Bursaspor, the players mentioned in this thread DO need to be bounced out.

[F_PC_ENTER]

Not a player but one of the translators (not Samet, and not the guy always in a tie & suit), the OTHER one; he doesn't belong on the team either. Or he should stick to translating only Brazilian.

I've noticed him trying to translate Kezman's English into Turkish on a few occasions, and the translation is never accurate.

God knows how this guy's Brazilian translations are.

Butun dunya Ingilizceyi cozdu, bir tek bizim Turkler cozemedi; disgrace.

[aslanlar]

Who needs english when there's chinese... after all, it's more widely spoken :D

[Kanarya]

let's make it quick :)

i havnt read any other posts yet..
ok

Wederson
Can -I love Can he's 100 times better than Edu, leave for your own good my Turkish buddy, your not a foreigner = your not good enough to be in Fenerbahce.
Edu
Appiah- Had one good season, did jack shit last season, never played this season.
Kemal
Ali Bilgin
Selcuk
Deniz
Kazim- 50/50 in my eyes

[Centarfor9]

Kezman - he is in midlife crisis

[Kanarya]

Kezman can stay, but he earns way too much.

[Fry36]

Deniz? Can you elaborate on that? He's one of the best midfielders we got.

And unfortunately I agree somewhat about Wederson. The only reason I'd keep him is because he's the only alternative to Carlos.

[Kanarya]

whenever I see Deniz with the ball, he either miss dribbles or passes to his opponent.

[Fener19*07bahce]

^ I agree, and i kinda feel the main reason we got maldonado is the money. Aziz might have thought that getting this foreigner, and playing him in some european games would get some attention on him so we can sell him off. Thats what i think.

[Fry36]

Deniz deserves more appreciation IMO. Remember after he got injured everyone was panicking because Selcuk sucked, Appiah was injured, Kemal was out of shape/sucked, and we had to pray Selcuk would not-suck-as-much until Deniz made it back? Deniz went through shit I wouldn't wish on my enemy and instead of quitting football altogether he fought harder for his jersey and was one of the key players before the injury. Remember how he played against Anderlecht, Inter, and the league games till Kayseri.