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Pape
12-06-2007, 02:03 PM
Who do you folks support?

Democratic Party Candidates

Joe Biden
Hillary Clinton
Christopher Dodd
John Edwards
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Barack Obama
Bill Richardson

Republican Party Candidates

Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Duncan Hunter
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Ron Paul
Mitt Romney
Tom Tancredo
Fred Thompson

Pape
12-10-2007, 04:40 AM
RON PAUL 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lMirKbeEpI

Just watch some of his videos he is brilliant, the only sane person in these elections.

Sema
12-10-2007, 05:50 AM
Never heard of him, but, he gets my vote (If I could vote, haha).

ItalianBoy
12-10-2007, 05:56 AM
I'd like Giuliani to win.

Bigpappys_gun
12-10-2007, 06:39 AM
^hmm I wonder why ItalianBoy :rolleyes:
No but seriously he is such a charasmatic person and he did a great job in New York during the crisis after 9/11
So far im rooting for him

ItalianBoy
12-10-2007, 06:58 AM
It has nothing to do with his Italian roots. Its because so far, he is the only candidate I think could do a good job.

The rest are shite.

Wabbit
12-10-2007, 10:22 AM
None, but why would I care anyways?? :D

FR Sloboda
12-10-2007, 12:21 PM
Vote Ron Paul For 2008!

Pape
12-10-2007, 02:29 PM
Giuliana is the biggest dousche bag in this campaign along with Hillary, Obama, Romney, and Edwards. All of the "top" candidates would make extremely terrible presidents and bring the USA down more in my opinion.

Wabbit
12-10-2007, 03:58 PM
Hohoho Hillary should win so they can match with my new Pres. 8 she will take charge of the country today)

Hahaha o.O

nb-legenda
12-10-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope they pick the worst president ever because im moving to europe next summer and i just want to see what will happen :lol:

Saraj Fanático
12-10-2007, 10:52 PM
I think these candidates are one idiot after another. No offense. And we all know that the US shouldn't really have elections since ever President has the same assignment as the one before him, which is protect and serve Israel. Sorry but someone has to say it.

Lance Knight
12-10-2007, 11:43 PM
hell with the choices here, i mighten mind bush back in power

Bosnian Unit
12-11-2007, 12:27 AM
I think it doesnt matter who is the president, he/she will still have to obey rules/law from the top of the pyramid !

http://www.ranthaus.com/images/illuminati_pyramid_seeing_eye.gif

There is no turning back for USA, they will just continue like this until......well use your imagination !

"Rewriting History" -- Jesus foretold of unprecedented deception in the End of the Age. Jesus warned:

+ "Take heed that no man deceive you." Matt 24:4 (KJV)

+ "Many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Matt 24:11 (KJV)

+ "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24:24 (KJV)


+ The Illuminati produced a plan that exactly fulfills Bible prophecy

nb-legenda
12-11-2007, 02:31 AM
oh so you are a Christian, Bosnian Unit...

what Saraj had said is what I wanted to say for a long time but I didn't want to be attacked or banned or something but USA is there to serve Israel. no one is supposed to touch israel and they play safely in UEFA competitions LOLL

btw, is there a bosnian in the list for candidates? if there is, then ill vote for him heh... mozda moze da napravi nove fudbalske stadione i training complexes hahaha

Wabbit
12-11-2007, 04:44 AM
I dont know why americans say "In God we trust" when only 10% of the ppl there trust God...psssssssssss

Unlike us....hohoho :lol:

PAO_HELLAS
12-11-2007, 01:18 PM
I dont know why americans say "In God we trust" when only 10% of the ppl there trust God...psssssssssss

Unlike us....hohoho :lol:

They have it in their banknotes, but it is a typo. They just forgot to put the letter "L" after the letter "O" in the word "GOD".

Lance Knight
12-11-2007, 04:38 PM
I dont know why americans say "In God we trust" when only 10% of the ppl there trust God...psssssssssss

Unlike us....hohoho :lol:
10% is a bit too much dont u think, lol

ItalianBoy
12-12-2007, 10:29 AM
25% of Americans practice religion in the USA compared to 2% average of Europe. ANd that's only those who practice it, meaning follow almost every rule, not those who believe. ;)


The USA is very religious compared to any European nation.

Also, its pathetic to see some people here hate on the USA just because they are jelous.

Wabbit
12-12-2007, 05:55 PM
They have it in their banknotes, but it is a typo. They just forgot to put the letter "L" after the letter "O" in the word "GOD".


10% is a bit too much dont u think, lol


Hahaha :Pound: Good one guys

Wabbit
12-12-2007, 05:58 PM
25% of Americans practice religion in the USA compared to 2% average of Europe. ANd that's only those who practice it, meaning follow almost every rule, not those who believe. ;)


The USA is very religious compared to any European nation.

Also, its pathetic to see some people here hate on the USA just because they are jelous.

R u sure??... 80% of Argentina's population r religious (catholics)...or at least were baptize, and thats cause 90% of the population has european background, like I do.

Bosnian Unit
12-12-2007, 07:35 PM
25% of Americans practice religion in the USA compared to 2% average of Europe. ANd that's only those who practice it, meaning follow almost every rule, not those who believe. ;)


The USA is very religious compared to any European nation.

Also, its pathetic to see some people here hate on the USA just because they are jelous.

Religion is just something made up from people, rich people i suppose so poor and middle class people can have some hope in life.

When did a religion did any good ?

And religion in USA is huge bussines, people are brainwashed and its easy. Thats why they have saying: If you want to become rich in USA, open a church !

That's why you have so many of those religions but somehow all of them call for the same thing, for example as Jesus being a prophet etc..

Since they all or most of them agree on that, there is no need for all these religions, sects etc...But now, how would Mike make some money since Joe is allready making it big on the same thing, so lets just invent something little bit different and we can make money too, but on the same time Jesus is our savior just like theirs :rolleyes: .

Western Catholicism : Protestantism · Anabaptism · Lutheranism · Calvinism · Anglicanism · Baptist · Methodism · Evangelicalism · Fundamentalism · Unitarianism · Liberalism · Pentecostalism · Christian Science · Unity Church · Oneness Pentecostalism


Restorationism :Adventism · Christadelphians · Jehovah's Witnesses · Latter-day Saint movement (Mormonism) etc..

Huge bussines :sad: !

If you don't agree with me, well i respect that but can you just answer me who gave right to Pope to be spiritual leader of the Roman Catholic Church?

Did God or Jesus or whoever said, there will be a Pope who will be spiritual leader etc... ASNWER IS NO, HELL NO ! Religion is just something that keeps you on the right side, so you listen to Big Brother, you dont cross the line etc... well at least for those who belive !

P.S.Nobady can be more religious then Poles and Croats :D

ItalianBoy
12-13-2007, 05:30 AM
I am atheist youfool, so you dont need to tell me any of that crap. TRy to use that small brain of yours... thanks.

One thing is having belives one thign is practicing. Totally different things Argie.

Saraj Fanático
12-13-2007, 09:21 PM
oh so you are a Christian, Bosnian Unit...

:lol: No. Bosnian Unit is a practicing Jew. He loves Israel and dreams of one day fighting for Israel also.

what Saraj had said is what I wanted to say for a long time but I didn't want to be attacked or banned or something but USA is there to serve Israel. no one is supposed to touch israel and they play safely in UEFA competitions LOLL

America will be electing the Israeli President in 08 if anything.

Wabbit
12-14-2007, 07:00 AM
So...who u all think will win...cause thats the question in the end...hahaha

Bosnian Unit
12-14-2007, 08:58 PM
I am atheist youfool, so you dont need to tell me any of that crap. TRy to use that small brain of yours... thanks.

One thing is having belives one thign is practicing. Totally different things Argie.

Chill out man, why are you so agresive ?

How in the world was i suppose to know what a hell you are ?

If you have some personaly problems take them somewhere else, i didnt offend you in any way so dont start that shit with me ok !

You probably have smaller brain since you acted that way towards someone who didnt say anything negative or bad to you.

If you was a little bit civilized you would not call people names for no reason !

ItalianBoy
12-14-2007, 09:01 PM
Ok. :p

Xizor
12-15-2007, 01:22 AM
Do you guys think the US is ready for an African America president?

nb-legenda
12-15-2007, 01:55 AM
Do you guys think the US is ready for an African America president?

yes of course. as long as he doesnt do what bush did.

the funny thing is... the muslims in the middleeast are the most religious in the world and they are the ones with poverty and everything. just makes you believe there is no god because he doesnt really help out the poor muslims down there. he just does good to the wealthy stuck up americans.

nb-legenda
12-15-2007, 01:55 AM
:lol: No. Bosnian Unit is a practicing Jew. He loves Israel and dreams of one day fighting for Israel also.



America will be electing the Israeli President in 08 if anything.

yeah i thought he might do that...

Xizor
12-15-2007, 01:58 AM
yes of course. as long as he doesnt do what bush did.

I totally agree with you man!

Bosnian Unit
12-15-2007, 02:04 AM
Do you guys think the US is ready for an African America president?

Never !

They do aloud some type of C.Powell, C. Rice wich are some lower ranked people in their politics, but as president that will never happend.

After all is White House, and you should know who is the boss there:sad: !

Its not people who choose presidents, it might look like that but try to dig deeper you will be surprised. Just like all those polls they ask people like should they do that, should they do this.....but the fact is nobady gives a crap about those polls, later they explain to people how is suppose to be done, and most of them will agree with what kind of plan they(government) came up :sad: !

P.S. You dont have ML King on any of your money for example, even tough you have all those parks,streets etc.. named after him, same with Obama he can run, but he will never reach the top mark my words.

PAO_HELLAS
12-15-2007, 12:34 PM
White, black, yellow, red, it will not make a difference. Whoever the new president wll be, he/she is going to be controlled by the same lobby. The one that controls Bush.

Wabbit
12-15-2007, 04:50 PM
Hahaha well it doesnt matter the color or gender, my president will kick her/his/it ass anyways :D cause SHE rules ;) plus...she's a bit scary to be honest..o.O

We r already fighting them...hohoho

Andygers
12-15-2007, 05:00 PM
^ lol fighting them ;)

Wabbit
12-15-2007, 06:43 PM
:)

nb-legenda
12-16-2007, 03:03 AM
we saw what happened in 2004. both kerry and bush looked like bad presidents so one had to be chosen and that was bush. same things going to happen next year. just watch....

SCgoalkeeper94
01-15-2008, 11:18 PM
we saw what happened in 2004. both kerry and bush looked like bad presidents so one had to be chosen and that was bush. same things going to happen next year. just watch....

Let's hope Clinton or Obama don't get elected they would do 10x worse than Bush. GIULIANI ALL THE WAY!!!

mawin312
01-16-2008, 01:02 AM
Agreed!

I can't decide between McCain or Romney. Too bad I couldn't vote today in Michigan's primary :(

SiN
01-16-2008, 01:05 AM
Is it compulsory to vote in USA? And how old do you have to be?

Pape
01-16-2008, 01:11 AM
18, you can be a permanent resident and they can make you join the army if the need arises but you can't vote you have to be a citizen for that :loL:

SiN
01-16-2008, 01:17 AM
I see, how strange...

Brasil4Ever
01-16-2008, 05:16 AM
If you ask me, 18 yrs old is too young to be given voting rights...at least for most American 18-yr olds.

"Young people" leaning left are one of the major support basis for Barack Obama, a JUNIOR senator, whose platform up until now has been made up of nothing but empty rhetoric. His victory in Iowa? Based on the allure of participating in an "historic election" (electing for the first time an African American to the highest position in govt), and a propensity of young people to follow trends. For this demographic, "change" (never mind what that might mean), as well as race (in a very subtle and progressive way) became an issue!! The economy? who cares right?? Not very forward looking to disregard it, if you ask me, especially when times are getting ugly in terms of the declining economy. But that's just old-lady me speaking here.

It's basically been up to the likes of Edwards (and Kucinich to a very small degree) to get the top two democratic candidates talking about the economy. But even now, their platform sucks. Especially Obama's "universal" healthcare proposition. And don't get me started on both Clinton's and Obama's "economic stimulus" proposals that would require $80 billion, and TAX CUTS!! Huh?? Aren't we already running at a deficit because of the Bush administration?? So, add to that big number (i forget what it is) another $80 billion with apparently no one subsidizing it through taxes.

Sorry for the rant...but I smell political and economic disaster for the next 5 yrs

SiN
01-16-2008, 05:37 AM
Anything but Bush i say :)

Brasil4Ever
01-17-2008, 11:52 PM
Anything but Bush i say :)

I hear ya. :D

aslanlar
01-23-2008, 09:35 PM
Anything but Obama! Bush suddenly isn't looking that bad :D

Clinton all the way!

I Am Legend
01-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Anything but Obama! Bush suddenly isn't looking that bad :D

Clinton all the way!

I agree...Obama would be a disaster for everyone. I don't see it happening anyhow. Clinton gets my vote.

poutismalakas
01-23-2008, 10:14 PM
Anything but Obama! Bush suddenly isn't looking that bad :D

Clinton all the way!
Why! So she can give away the nation!!! HELL NO!! She would be worse that Bush jr!!

CambriaFan
01-24-2008, 12:03 AM
Obama for president!!! :D but any democrat would do for me - that should save the rest of us from being invaded for another few years...

QR4life
01-24-2008, 12:09 AM
Obamam all the way

aslanlar
01-24-2008, 04:59 AM
No. Not Obama! Unless you all just want more of a reason to hate the US? Then he should be elected.

CambriaFan
01-24-2008, 12:32 PM
^^ Why? Whats wrong with him? Can someone please tell me cause I don't know as much about the candidates as people in the US.

P.S. We don't need another reason - we have enough :rolleyes: :lol: ...

Wabbit
01-24-2008, 05:14 PM
A woman or a black fellow.....US is really screw up...not to mantion bush

Bosnian Unit
01-24-2008, 09:11 PM
These elections are BS.

Just waith until Michael Bloomberg, Rothschild(family),M. Rockefeller,Aviel Rubin, W.Rudman and others open their wallets............Rudolph "Rudy" Giuliani is the next president, that has been decided allready.

Sombady else needs to continue this terror across the world, who else would be the man for that if not Giuliani !?

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-giu_israel390.jpg

Just for the record, Hillary is female, Barack Hussein Obama well :D, and Romney is Mormon not to mention that he is also a moron.

FR Sloboda
01-24-2008, 09:13 PM
i hope someone who bombs all wahibbes and is in favour of a centralized Bosnia wins the election - McCain, Clinton or Obama.

Bosnian Unit
01-24-2008, 09:20 PM
i hope someone who bombs all wahibbes and is in favour of a centralized Bosnia wins the election - McCain, Clinton or Obama.

Well i just said what will happend, now you are trying to stay blind just like most of the people out there........wake up, Democrats CAN'T win, and Jewliani is the next president :sad:!

People will vote, but president will not be choosen that way find out a bit what Mr.Aviel Rubin does :eat:!

I Am Legend
01-24-2008, 09:25 PM
Vote DUPONT...I'll stop all wars and make myself administrator at SFN and make everyone eat Chicken and Potato curry forever. :lol::lol::lol:

Albita
01-24-2008, 10:10 PM
Why! So she can give away the nation!!! HELL NO!! She would be worse that Bush jr!!

Omg thats so over exaggerated.
who the hell would give away the country?

and btw im sure no one can be as bad as Bush Jr at this point.
Once you've hit rock bottom the only way to go is up:)

aslanlar
01-27-2008, 09:34 AM
This is truly sad. I WANT BUSH TO CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
trust me, they have not hit rock bottom, they are about to tho;)

Andygers
01-27-2008, 11:34 AM
Obama has beaten Clinton in South Carolina, with a massive percentage of the vote. This could be because of the large African-American population of the area but it could just be because most people like the guy.

poutismalakas
01-27-2008, 05:02 PM
These elections are BS.

Just waith until Michael Bloomberg, Rothschild(family),M. Rockefeller,Aviel Rubin, W.Rudman and others open their wallets............Rudolph "Rudy" Giuliani is the next president, that has been decided allready.

Sombady else needs to continue this terror across the world, who else would be the man for that if not Giuliani !?

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-giu_israel390.jpg

Just for the record, Hillary is female, Barack Hussein Obama well :D, and Romney is Mormon not to mention that he is also a moron.

PLEASE STOP believing in conspircy thoeries! Rudy is DONE!!! It's going to Huckabee or Romney! The Silent Majority don't want a Woman or a Black Guy as President!

Fenerliyim
01-30-2008, 03:38 AM
imo theres no way in hell obama is gonna become president. The midwest and south wont allow it.

Saraj Fanático
02-03-2008, 05:30 PM
Of the candidates as I have said they are all shitty and puppets for others. But if I can choose anyone who isn't as crappy as others it would be Ron Paul. He would suck too off course but only a little less then others. Hillary is a brave woman but as hard as this may sound and all its hard imagining her winning, the patriots would want a big strong American Muscle in office. :lol: Obama in my opinion is not going to win it because the "brothers" will give him the vote but the White population will say no. Hillary won't win because the Brothers won't give her the vote also but women will. Somehow Hillary will represent the Democrat candidate because Women and Men outnumber the brothers. McCain the douchebag is like a rock star to republicans from what I see on CNN. He will more then likely get the vote. Hillary will win the election because women root for her and many of these women may be the wifes and girlfriends of the Brothers, then they will bring the brothers on the 'Support Hillary' wagon. So we will have a ultimate alliance between the Whites, WOmen and the Brothers. So Hillary will win, and the American people will live 4 years under a huge dark cloud. The End.

Saraj Fanático
02-03-2008, 05:45 PM
^ I think Hillary is going to make a terrible leader. I dunno how you can have a president that changes their opinion so often, first she is for Military convention in Iraq and then she publicly states how its negative. Hell even Bush at least has one opinion and sticks to it, when he says to his friends he will get his oil and kill hundreds of thousands in the process he means it!

Bosanac
02-03-2008, 05:46 PM
They can't be worse than Bush

Saraj Fanático
02-03-2008, 05:48 PM
Same shit to me, except Ron Paul who is going to be a terrible president also, but just slightly better then others. ;)

Bosanac
02-03-2008, 05:54 PM
It's not easy to be a president of the US, man.. it must be difficult to leader such a diverse place. Whose values will they hold dearest? To me, any of the candidates can come off a good president and put a face-lift on the US government.

That's why I'm not going to vote, these presidental runs are all about who can talk the most bullshit. May the worst runner win

Saraj Fanático
02-03-2008, 08:40 PM
Well I do believe one of the candidates can change society for the better in the US. But regarding America's policies dealing with world issues (More important for foreigners) its all the same shit.

nb-legenda
02-03-2008, 09:02 PM
That McCain dude is going to be the next Bush. Hillary Clinton will be used by her husband....

Obama is the best choice because he's the only one that's not retarded in some way...

Wabbit
02-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Hahaha agree with Nermin....Obamania!!!

thats what I read in my newspaper :lol:

Calif
02-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Obama has my vote :thumbsup:

Wabbit
02-04-2008, 11:22 PM
And mine....

wait I dnt vote..but id I did,....or were american at all

Pape
02-04-2008, 11:45 PM
you just know that a democrat will win this election

im hoping obama now, but i can't make a smart decision when you don't know which off the two will make a worser president, but obama likes football and supports west ham not my club but he has the right idea about good sports :D

poutismalakas
02-04-2008, 11:48 PM
Im leaning for the Mormon

Wabbit
02-05-2008, 05:39 PM
Today's the supertuesday!!

nb-legenda
02-05-2008, 11:46 PM
^ who uh cares??

Wabbit
02-05-2008, 11:59 PM
some one woke up with a really really bad mood today

Calif
02-06-2008, 05:34 AM
I voted today for Obama! :) :thumbsup:

Right when I was going to cast my vote I thought shit should I go with clinton's wife or with Obama and I ended up voting for Obama :lol:

Fenerliyim
02-06-2008, 05:45 AM
see i was gonna go vote, but then i was like ***k it clinton will win in jersey anyway

Calif
02-06-2008, 05:47 AM
:lol: Yeah she is doing good man!

Wabbit
02-06-2008, 01:14 PM
Good vote Calif! a smart man :D

Saraj Fanático
02-06-2008, 08:34 PM
Clinton was leading from what I know. Mccain raped his challengers..

poutismalakas
02-06-2008, 08:49 PM
Clinton was leading from what I know. Mccain raped his challengers..

I hear the Clintons are now taping into their personal funds!! LOOKS LIKE Obama is going to take the UGLY BITCH!!!!

Wabbit
02-08-2008, 01:12 AM
Romney's out of money! haha

He's right who ever wins Hilton/Obama will be the next president

Mccain might win on his side...but no way he's the next pres.

Saraj Fanático
02-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Hey Obama might just win! The Zionists seem very pleased with their Puppets. And Obama did well to satisfy them. The winner of the Israeli election will be Obama if he continues to impress the Zionist state the best and does as he is told. Congrads to him. Lets see if McCain can snatch a good move and maybe satisfy the judges even better.

Obama and Israel


New York Republicans, according to an article in the New York Post yesterday, are preparing to attack Senator Obama for his supposed lack of support for Israel. "Obama's commitment to Israel is open to question, and that would help us with Jews," the Post quotes a "prominent New York Republican" as saying. We're no shills for Mr. Obama, but these Republicans haven't checked their facts. At least by our lights, Mr. Obama's commitment to Israel, as he has articulated it so far in his campaign, is quite moving and a tribute to the broad, bipartisan support that the Jewish state has in America.

In remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Chicago in March, Mr. Obama spoke about his first visit to Israel, in January 2006. "I flew on an IDF helicopter to the border zone. The helicopter took us over the most troubled and dangerous areas and that narrow strip between the West Bank and the Mediterranean Sea. At that height, I could see the hills and the terrain that generations have walked across. I could truly see how close everything is and why peace through security is the only way for Israel," Mr. Obama said, sounding like a certain governor of Texas recounting the helicopter tour he got as a presidential candidate from a future prime minister named Ariel Sharon.

Mr. Obama spoke of "a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy." Quoth he: "That will always be my starting point." Mr. Obama spoke of the threat of Iran. "President Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust. He held a conference in his country, claiming it was a myth. But we know the Holocaust was as real as the 6 million who died in mass graves at Buchenwald, or the cattle cars to Dachau or whose ashes clouded the sky at Auschwitz. We have seen the pictures. We have walked the halls of the Holocaust museum in Washington and Yad Vashem. We have touched the tattoos on loved-ones arms. After 60 years, it is time to deny the deniers," he said.

Mr. Obama went further, stating: "In the 21st century, it is unacceptable that a member state of the United Nations would openly call for the elimination of another member state. But that is exactly what he has done. Neither Israel nor the United States has the luxury of dismissing these outrages as mere rhetoric." Mr. Obama added: "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs. This would help Israel maintain its military edge and deter and repel attacks from as far as Tehran and as close as Gaza."

He took Israel's side against those who would fault it for its actions in Lebanon in the Summer of 2006. "When Israel is attacked, we must stand up for Israel's legitimate right to defend itself," Mr. Obama said. "Last summer, Hezbollah attacked Israel. By using Lebanon as an outpost for terrorism, and innocent people as shields, Hezbollah has also engulfed that entire nation in violence and conflict, and threatened the fledgling movement for democracy there."

And Mr. Obama rejected the idea, put forth by Israel's false friends, that America does Israel any favors by exerting pressure in the name of peace. "We should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli Prime Minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States," Mr. Obama said. "When I am president, the United States will stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel," Mr. Obama told the National Jewish Democratic Council in February of 2007.

"Those who have worked with me in Chicago in the state Legislature and now in the United States Senate will testify that I have not just talked the talk, I have walked the walk when it comes to Israel's security. I think it is fundamental. I think it is something that is in the interests of the United States because of our special relationship, because Israel has not only established a democracy in the region but has been a stalwart ally of ours," Mr. Obama said to the NJDC. "The United States government and an Obama Presidency cannot ask Israel to take risks with respect to its security."

* * *

Now the editors of these columns, whatever our faults, weren't born yesterday. We can remember, say, all the vows that a young governor of Arkansas, William Clinton, made, right here in New York, about how he was going to stand with Israel when he became president. And we remember how the liberal — and often Jewish — groups active on the Middle East front, promptly began confecting arguments in respect of how America should pressure the government in Jerusalem to be more forthcoming in its negotiations with the Palestinian Arabs. But Republicans plotting to attack Mr. Obama on Israel need to be careful lest the idea of the perfect becomes enemy of the good.

Mr. Obama may not be the best candidate in the field in respect of Israel; he has some stiff competition in both parties. He has failed to press the issue of Jerusalem. The American retreat he supports in Iraq would make the Middle East a more dangerous place for both Israel and America, not to mention, say, the free Lebanese and the Copts in Egypt. If Mr. Obama disappointed Israel once elected, he wouldn't be the first president to do so. But as a candidate, he has chosen to put himself on the record in terms that Israel's friends in America, at least those not motivated by pure political partisanship, can warmly welcome.

Yeah barrack, don't you dare upset the master!

Xizor
02-16-2008, 03:53 AM
Mitt Romney endorsed Senator McCain, guess Huckabee is pretty much done! Oh and I hope Clinton gets the nomination, it will be tough but if she can win Texas and Ohio, things will get very interesting!

Wabbit
02-16-2008, 10:22 PM
Noooooo not Clinton man, Obama is the man!!

Women shouldnt be presidents...at least thats how I see it :p

Bosnian Unit
02-16-2008, 11:29 PM
Hmm........Why do people of USA vote ?

Do they really think their vote can change something, or their vote will count ?

This is serious, becouse Al Gore won on popularity vote back in 2000 against Bush, but Mr. Bushit won presidency becouse he won more delegates then Al Gore !

Did people of USA forget that ?

Do they ever think about it ?

Now they got these ''SUPER'' delegates, yes they have delegates and ''SUPER'' delegates, i dont know what makes them super but they say they are super :lol:.

One will probably win who these RICH AND POWERFULL DELEGATES like......by saying that McCain have most chances becouse on the other side there is a female and a black guy.

Whoever thinks that doesnt matter, well im sorry to dissapoint you but USA is not a democracy or free as they claim to be !

At the end of the day, the point is people of USA DONT NEED TO VOTE, becouse(super) delegates will choose who they want to.

If majority of people choose the guy that most delegates wants, they will not have problem with it but if they dont, they will be like ***k off people, we are more smarter we want this guy, YOUR VOTE DOESNT MATTER !

Wabbit
02-17-2008, 07:52 AM
^Yeah maybe, but u got any idea of how stupid is not to vote??? Even if it doesnt change a thing, voting is very important for a naition, and it should be mandatory!

Bosnian Unit
02-18-2008, 12:17 AM
^Yeah maybe, but u got any idea of how stupid is not to vote??? Even if it doesnt change a thing, voting is very important for a naition, and it should be mandatory!


Why vote when it doesnt count ?

What is the point ?

Wabbit
02-18-2008, 01:07 AM
Its all about democracy man, maybe some day ur vote will count if u keep insisting, but if u quit, then u let them win easily, it suprise me that u got that image in ur avatar and think the way u do

nb-legenda
02-18-2008, 01:22 AM
Obama will win I hope so

Bosnian Unit
02-18-2008, 01:32 AM
Its all about democracy man, maybe some day ur vote will count if u keep insisting, but if u quit, then u let them win easily, it suprise me that u got that image in ur avatar and think the way u do

I disagree with you on that, becouse if they keep voting nothing will change.

Why would anybody care if people are just insisting, you think delegates, and now these super delegates will say oh people are insisting, lets listen to them ?

Come on, it will never happed.......but if there is no people out there, they dont vote they pressure government on that issue becouse their vote doesnt count, then THEY WILL HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING.


P.S. It looks like its democracy, but it really isnt......Just like a girl for example who looks great outside, but inside is evil :sad:!

Wabbit
02-18-2008, 06:50 AM
^I think it goes that way! Theres a moement in everyone's life where u get tired of so many ppl complainning and u start to do something, try it, instist to someone to do something for u, u'll that u'll exhaust them and eded up doing. Is just the way human beings r we got limits and no so much about patience.

As it matter of fact if u keep puchisn about ur thoght I might ended p agreeing with u just so we can stop talking about this.

But thast just my opinion of course.

Nice example btw...I agree with that...democracy is not what it was suppose to be, but u cant give up on the idea of living a utopia some day.