Maradona: Rooney better than Kaka

[Gunner]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_2943022,00.html

your views please..

[Wabbit]

Pssss he was probaly high or something....an english better than a brazilian...or anyone...Rooney is good but he didnt even make it to the top 3


:Pound:

[Lance Knight]

piss on maradona
thats just so fing stupid

[Andygers]

Lol he must be off his rocker to say that, Rooney cleans Kaka's boots.

[Vipaman]

Maradona is securing the same reputation that Pele has, no one listens to them anymore because they usually just say what they think the popular answer would be to the audience they are talking to.

Both are trying to hold onto any past glory they used to have, one is a bit more successful than the other but they both still sound pretty stupid when they open their mouths these days. :lol:

[nb-legenda]

kaka scores more goals for milan than does rooney for manchester united and hes not even a striker. rooney hardly ever scores for his national team.

[Saraj Fanático]

Kaka is an Milan prophet. He scores constantly in games. And not to mention that he sets so many moves up its not even funny. Maradona is just being a girl since he knows Kaka will be the king sooner or later. ;) He will be.

[nb-legenda]

nah maradona just prefers rooney because kaka is brazilian. why do you think he still hasn't mentioned pele?? lmao :lol:

[valdanito_10]

I love el Diego, but hes probably high!


and i completely dislike rooney, that little tomatoe!

[Wabbit]

nah maradona just prefers rooney because kaka is brazilian. why do you think he still hasn't mentioned pele?? lmao :lol:

Hahaha sorry but no argy chooses a brazilian over a british, is just not right.

And Kaká is more than just a good player but become the king...no way. he needs too much cindor for that.

The only reason he said that is cause he's a huge Boca fan, and Boca will verse Milan at the Club's world cup. Thats it.

That..or like I have said before..he was high....hahahaha :lol:

[Lance Knight]

I love el Diego, but hes probably high!


and i completely dislike rooney, that little tomatoe!
could be u know,
he's was probably high on the white fire

[Pape]

I'm a Man U supporter and Rooney is nothing but English hype. Diego must have been sniffing something before he said that.

[FR Sloboda]

No i think that the "king" Maradona is right and Rooney is a player with a big heart and has strong strength with a very fast shot.

[nb-legenda]

No i think that the "king" Maradona is right and Rooney is a player with a big heart and has strong strength with a very fast shot.

ok now that you said a small sentence about rooney, give a 5 page essay on how kaka is great ;)

[ItalianBoy]

Both are really good players and they play in totally different roles. I love Diego Maradona, best ever no doubt, but here we have to see what he meant. Talent wise, its debatable since Kaka is a great player but more of a "contropiedista", meaning someone who loves to counter and he always ends up either scoring or having others score, but rooney has showed some great tecnic in ManU. Making it top 3 or not, means nothing. These awards are worthless anyway.

[emode]

^Woot!!! It's Italianboy........haven't seen u in ages! Welcome back :D

I think Maradonna entitled to his own opinion if he prefers Rooney or Kaka that his choice. We don't have to agree with it but its kind of strange to compare Kaka with Rooney. Their style of play is totally different but each suit their league and club! But given a choice i would have pick Kaka because he is far more consistent than Rooney!

[Wabbit]

Hahaha I agree with emode....but I thunk u like more Kaká cause he's better looking than Rooney!!

hahahha nah joking!!

[emode]

^That's true haha he's hotttt altho not as hot as C.Ronaldo or Podolski :D

But Kaka is also a better player as well...as i said he's more consistent than Rooney.

[ItalianBoy]

Looks aside, I disagree on the fact that Kaka is more consistant. Look at his UCL final last year and look at his game against Celtic. He plays fair but had such an easy chance to score after his run that you could tell he was just done for.

[emode]

Wht the heck? You based ur accusation on two games UCL final last year and his game against Celtic? I was talking abt the whole season ItalianBoy!!!...AC Milan would have been in trouble without Kaka!!

[ItalianBoy]

Wht the heck? You based ur accusation on two games UCL final last year and his game against Celtic? I was talking abt the whole season ItalianBoy!!!...AC Milan would have been in trouble without Kaka!! Of course not, if you follow Serie A you would see how bad Milan is doing and how bad Kaka is doing.

[emode]

Okay fair enough!! I have to admit i only follow the Bundesliga and EPL but i've seen Kaka playing for Brazil!! He's brilliant as compared to Rooney in the England team. Okay no offence to Rooney fan.

I think u just hated Kaka because he's in AC Milan..as always your judgement are clouded!! Btw nice having u back in SFN. Hope u enjoy ur time away :)

[ItalianBoy]

Both Kaka and Rooney don't do much in their NT compared as what they do in the clubs they play for. Judging either based on their NT games is madness.

[emode]

Well arguing with u is madness. Of course u're always right (according to u ) lol but I'll see how long u lasted here without getting banned again. Have fun!! I still think Kaka is better than Rooney regardless of wht u said.

[ItalianBoy]

Well arguing with u is madness. Of course u're always right (according to u ) lol but I'll see how long u lasted here without getting banned again. Have fun!! I still think Kaka is better than Rooney regardless of wht u said. What does that have anything to do with the discussion. I am giving my opinion. If you feel that you don't know as much as me, there is no need to come up with this useless replies.

[SiN]

He is right emode, he is just giving an opinion and stating what he feels about the situation. No need to say that.

[emode]

What does that have anything to do with the discussion. I am giving my opinion. If you feel that you don't know as much as me, there is no need to come up with this useless replies.
Okay fine .... i agree that post was useless and a bit out of line. Sorry abt that...bleh, i'm not even a fan of kaka or Milan!! :)

Okay back to the discussion some have suggested that Milan wouldn’t be in Japan competing for the FIFA Club World Cup if they didn’t have Kaka in the team. He really is one ot the most valuable player in AC Milan altho no team can stand alone of course.

@sinan - okay point taken. Thnks

[ItalianBoy]

What about the goals of Inzaghi that made them win the UCL? Kaka was terrible in that final. What about the palle goal of Prilo? The workload of Gattuso and Ambrosini? Nesta? Come on... Kaka is great but he is getting really hyped now.

[emode]

Hey, you can't blame Kaka for that!! All these hypes is created by the media even Kaka keep insisting that its all about teamwork!!

[~zero_signal~]

As far as I know, Kaka is as good as any media suggests. He's currently the best Brazilian player right now. At AC Milan, he's as important to the club as Pirlo and Gattuso. He's shown us why he is the best player in the world, along with C. Ronaldo. Rooney isn't far off though. It just surprises me that Maradona would say something like this. I've heard him run his mouth a lot of times, and to tell you the truth, he usually makes sense, at least much more than other football greats.

[ItalianBoy]

I am not saying its Kaka's fault... :rolleyes: Why would I... never mind.

That is the point, Kaka has not really shown us that he is the best, he showed us he played better than most in some crunch matches in the UCL. But many played far better than him overall, example, Totti. Totti last season and even this season played 10 times better than Kaka. Difference is, Kaka played the UCL with Milan, and managed to have a great game against Milan, Roma did not. C.Ronaldo for example played, overall, better.

[Wabbit]

An all this started cause an old fat argy said a few words...what a generouos word

:D

[Lance Knight]

just to know how many league goals did rooney score last season?

[~zero_signal~]

Kaka showed that he was the best in last season's UCL where he scored 10 goals. I also thought that he had a pretty good season in the Serie A, but his perfomance in the UCL was excellent. Totti had an excellent season in the Serie A where he scored 26 goals, 6 more than Lucarelli who was the 2nd highest goalscorer. He also scored 4 goals in the UCL, but he failed to lift his team during key moments. Rooney scored 14 goals in the EPL and 4 (I think) in the UCL, while C. Ronaldo scored 17 in the EPL and a few in the UCL.

These guys -- Totti, Rooney and C. Ronaldo -- were great when they were flying high, but they couldn't save their teams in the UCL when their teams needed them the most, not that there's anything terrible about that. I still remember how confident (and arrogant) Manchester United was as a club before the game against AC Milan where C. Ronaldo and Kaka went up against each other. Kaka's influence was felt during both games in that semi final, while C. Ronaldo's influence was restricted.

There wasn't much difference last season between Rooney, C. Ronaldo, Totti and Kaka (I'd even throw Gatusso in that bunch), but Kaka demonstrated his quality when the world was daring him to show what he could do, when things weren't going his way.

[Chileno]

It just surprises me that Maradona would say something like this.

Does it? Really?

[~zero_signal~]

Does it? Really?

Sure it does. I've always seen Maradona as a guy who speaks the uncomfortable truth in a really blunt way. He usually says things that some people don't want to hear, unlike ex-players like Pele who say things that most people will agree with.

[Bosanac]

As far as I know, Kaka is as good as any media suggests. He's currently the best Brazilian player right now. At AC Milan, he's as important to the club as Pirlo and Gattuso. He's shown us why he is the best player in the world, along with C. Ronaldo. Rooney isn't far off though. It just surprises me that Maradona would say something like this. I've heard him run his mouth a lot of times, and to tell you the truth, he usually makes sense, at least much more than other football greats.


Ah, I wouldn't give it a much thought. I see this as a bluff attempt to re-fame the English players (or their football in general) after their disasterous exit from the Euro 08. (Maybe the English FA gave him a brick! :))

On top of that, why would an Argentenian ever say that a Brazilian is the best player in the World? Haven't you guys heard of something called.. Rivalry? Fierce rivalry, in fact. One that goes on even off the pitch..


Rooney better than Kaka'?
Puhleeze..

First of all, I really don't think Rooney and Kaka can be compared anyway. Rooney is a striker while Kaka' is a midfielder. They have two completely different duties in a game. They're both good at their best.. but their best is not in the same objective. Yes, Kaka' can be considered a striker as well, as he is so versetile.. and that can only tip the scales towards him. I'd like to see Rooney make a pass as Kaka' did in the 05 CL final to Crespo to score his second and Milans third goal.

But if we really have to compare, we saw which player was better on last years UCL semi-final tie with ManU and Milan. Kaka' erased Christiano Ronaldo off the field, and without him.. we saw just what Rooney is capable of. Ridicilous comparison.

[Gunner]

i dont think you guys have actually seen what rooney does on the pitch, kaka is a great player, but so is rooney, like him or not he still has scored some quality goals by any standards.

For those who dont know:

Rooney wonder goal:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6wO3HhOu6Y

Rooney power strike vs Russia
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6-EjvPssEAo&feature=related

Rooney Chip:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jcOdi3sGHH0

Rooney good finish:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nk4Vn_05GhY&feature=related


What you see of Rooney:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FFVs4HXBFLo


he does need to chill out sometimes but hes still only 21 now. he was a kid back then. hes a powerful, fast attacking mid/striker and hes known for runnin back and defending. you cant say hes dog shit if you knew anything about football.

[nb-legenda]

1) Problem with you guys is that you guys think the most famous player is the best. Even if you say you don't, deep inside you do. When was the last time Rooney scored for England and he's supposed to be your best striker? please... Kaka scores for Brazil all the time and he's not even a striker. what he does in the midfield, only few players can do. he handles the ball perfectly, does sexy passes, scores beautiful goals, awesome moves. whats rooney? I prefer underrated players like the croatian Olic that F-ed you guys up than rooney. this guys a moody overrated player. sure he does great finishes, but i think an international of the country who created of "football" should have good finishing skills ;) , i see that in argentina, brazil, italy, etc.

2) I just thought it was bullshit that this English director or whatever said that "not a single Croatian international can fit inside in an England starting lineup" LOLL :lol: :lol: . you know, I think Croatia actually has better strikers with Eduardo, Olic, Petric, Klasnic, Mandzukic and midfielders like the one youre about to spend 22 milion for, Luka Modric. ;)

[Gunner]

u cant put the blame on rooney, everyone knows the english team is going through a bad patch and changes are happening.

as for owen he said what he said, he probably regrets saying it because it doesnt matter where ur from its how good player u are, theres talent everywhere.

nation has nothing to do with how good you are its the nations actually bringing in young talent and producing quality out of them.

if you are a player playing top division football and in the champions league regulary then you are pretty much world class.

[Gunner]

well i still wudnt say hes that much better than rooney or ronaldo. he has been more consistant for ac milan and that probably won him the award.

[Bosanac]

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This following reply was posted before Paul's previous response. I deleted and re-wrote. 'Oops' :)
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Paul, nobody here said that Rooney is 'dogshit'. Rooney is a great striker, one that any coach would like to see on his roster...well except maybe Rijkard. However, scoring goals from a long range doesn't make you the best player. Kaka' is a more complete footballer than Rooney, a lot more. Rooney, could be said, is a class below Kaka'. Rooney is, what I call, a 'one dimensional player'. What I mean with that is that there's only a certain number of stuff he can do, a certain kind of influence he can bring to the match. While Kaka', he can score. He can be a very reliable striker, as much as Rooney is.. if not more. What Rooney lacks however is the intelligence, and skill that Kaka' offers in the midfield. Not even Ronaldinho can match Kaka at this moment in that department. Kaka' can even be a great wing player thanks to his amazing speed. You just can not compare the two, eventhough they both are exceptional players.. it's a horrible miss-match, one that's insulting Kaka' (maybe Maradona had that in mind when he said this--an insult?).


They didn't give Kaka' the golden ball (Ballon d'Or) this year because he is 'hyped-up by the media', or any other jealously coughed up reason. No, Kaka' simply deserved it.. I saw no other player this year more suitable to win the best player award. Certainly not Rooney, or Cry Baby (C. Ronaldo).

Just look at the amount of votes he got compared to the second best this year--


Kaká (AC Milan) - 444
Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United FC) - 277
Lionel Messi (FC Barcelona) - 255


Last time somebody won the golden ball with this kind of a margin was in 1998 when Zidane won and Davor Suker came second.

If you think about it, you'll notice a similarity between Kaka and Zidane. Neither one of them ever show off in a match. Both of them won their first golden ball with a big margin. They both play an efficient style of football. Let's wait and see.. maybe we are witnessing the birth of another legend.. :)

Anyway.. like I said earlier, ridicilous comparison.

..Maradona, most likely said this because one (or more) of the following three reasons:
Jealousy
An attempt to insult Brazilian Football
Influenced by the English FA


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This reply was posted before Paul's previous response. I deleted and re-wrote. 'Oops' :)
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[Bosanac]

well i still wudnt say hes that much better than rooney or ronaldo. he has been more consistant for ac milan and that probably won him the award.


Consistancy is only a small portion of the whole picture, Paul. As you can see, Kaka' did not win by a small portion. There was more to it than that.

[Wabbit]

Dude Maradona is not jealous of any player...he was a great player and always will, so jealousy is not one reason.

Personally Ive gave my reasons........


2nd u cant compare Rooney, kaká, Messi and Ronaldo, the 4 have different styles.

Tho saying Rooney's better than Kaká...o.O
HIGH!!

Plus age matters here

[Bosanac]

Rabbit, you are Argentinian.. Your opinion about Maradona doesn't count. :silly:

[Wabbit]

Hahahahhahahha...c'mon man!!! just cause Im an argie doesnt mean I dont get to talk!! hahah
:lol:

[nb-legenda]

hey Ronaldo is pretty close to Kaka but he doesnt play as smart. what i mean by that is that he tries to do everything by himself. when it was Roma 2-1 ManU, he tried to dribble through and he lost the ball whenever he got it. Manu 7-1 Roma was a different picture tho :)

[ItalianBoy]

Unfortunately NBibic is right, most people, not only they do not watch much football and still judge players, but they go by who the most famous player is to make judgments.

Kaka plays in a team that has Seedorf, Gattuso, Prilo, Nesta to name a few. It wasn’t Kaka who made Milan win the UCL Final, it was Inzaghi. So now Inzaghi is better? No, but to say that Kaka is better because he by himself made them win the UCL that is false. Put Kaka in Roma and I want to see how well he does.

[~zero_signal~]

All that has been said about Kaka here is that he deserved the award for best player, not that he single-handedly won AC Milan the UCL.

AC Milan had many key players in last season's UCL that allowed the club to win the event. The most important ones in my opinion were Kaka, Gattuso and Pirlo -- they were excellent and definitely on another level. I would also say that Inzaghi played great football in key matches.

[ItalianBoy]

All that has been said about Kaka here is that he deserved the award for best player, not that he single-handedly won AC Milan the UCL.

AC Milan had many key players in last season's UCL that allowed the club to win the event. The most important ones in my opinion were Kaka, Gattuso and Pirlo -- they were excellent and definitely on another level. I would also say that Inzaghi played great football in key matches.I never said he does not deserve it, I think Kaka played top notch. But, my point is that, if we go look at the majority ofthe games Kaka played in both UCL and Serie A and compare them to Totti, Totti has played far better, especially because he played far better in Serie A where Kaka didn't really shine as he did prior to last year. Also, I don't see why C.Ronaldo and Messi come before Totti, or why Fabregas comes before Totti. That is why to me the list is a joke. Ibrahimovic same thing, why isn't he in the top 5? HE did win the league with Inter did he not? Fabregas won what? :rolleyes:

[~zero_signal~]

I never said he does not deserve it, I think Kaka played top notch. But, my point is that, if we go look at the majority ofthe games Kaka played in both UCL and Serie A and compare them to Totti, Totti has played far better, especially because he played far better in Serie A where Kaka didn't really shine as he did prior to last year. Also, I don't see why C.Ronaldo and Messi come before Totti, or why Fabregas comes before Totti. That is why to me the list is a joke. Ibrahimovic same thing, why isn't he in the top 5? HE did win the league with Inter did he not? Fabregas won what? :rolleyes:

I think that Kaka was the best player in last season's UCL, and I also believe that Totti rightfully deserved more credit, especially in the Serie A because he had an outstanding season.

I think that Totti was definitely among the top 3 players last season, ahead of players like Messi and Fabregas, for sure.

[Captain Fury]

most goals scored by inzaghi were assisted by kaka

[~zero_signal~]

most goals scored by inzaghi were assisted by kaka

Dude, I never knew you liked Arsenal (Argentina) :shocked: ...

[Captain Fury]

i dont,............

era una apuesta :D

[~zero_signal~]

Ohh, gotcha :lol:.

[Wabbit]

Hahahaha yeah never bet against an argie...aint recomndable...

:D

[nb-legenda]

Even UEFA was picking the most famous players to be candidate for player of the year or whatever and unfortunately Totti and Ibrahimovic weren't even on the list while Rooney was and this year was one of the best for both Totti and Ibrahimovic. It's unbelievable actually...

[Bosanac]

I never said he does not deserve it, I think Kaka played top notch. But, my point is that, if we go look at the majority ofthe games Kaka played in both UCL and Serie A and compare them to Totti, Totti has played far better, especially because he played far better in Serie A where Kaka didn't really shine as he did prior to last year. Also, I don't see why C.Ronaldo and Messi come before Totti, or why Fabregas comes before Totti. That is why to me the list is a joke. Ibrahimovic same thing, why isn't he in the top 5? HE did win the league with Inter did he not? Fabregas won what? :rolleyes:

Why would Kaka' show his best in an otherwise meaningless game? Maybe not totally meaningless, but you get my point. Save the best.. for the best. He shines when the whole world is watching, not just Italy. I do agree with the rest of your post though, Ibrahimovic should've definitly been in the top 5.. I actually thought he'd be second. I guess they wanted to mix it up, can't have the top 2 (or top 3 -- since Totti is also one of the best) spots from the same league.

[Bosanac]

Unfortunately NBibic is right, most people, not only they do not watch much football and still judge players, but they go by who the most famous player is to make judgments.

Kaka plays in a team that has Seedorf, Gattuso, Prilo, Nesta to name a few. It wasn’t Kaka who made Milan win the UCL Final, it was Inzaghi. So now Inzaghi is better? No, but to say that Kaka is better because he by himself made them win the UCL that is false. Put Kaka in Roma and I want to see how well he does.


This point you made here, IB, is beyond stupidity. If this was a major reason why Kaka' won the best player award, why didn't Deco? He plays for the best team in the World, and is one of the best midfielders out there. No, Kaka's level of football is able to shine above all other super-stars in Milan. They didn't help him win the award, but were merely obstacles.

I apsolutely understand why you're trying to talk down on Kaka, though, and I don't hold it against you. Being an AS Roma fan; if you did actually say that Kaka is the best player in the World.. while having Totti in your squad would be a betrayel to your own team. The fact that you admitted that Kaka is a great player even suprised me. I just personally don't see the point in arguing about this for you, knowing what the outcome will be.

[ItalianBoy]

:lol:

[Lance Knight]

This point you made here, IB, is beyond stupidity. If this was a major reason why Kaka' won the best player award, why didn't Deco? He plays for the best team in the World, and is one of the best midfielders out there. No, Kaka's level of football is able to shine above all other super-stars in Milan. They didn't help him win the award, but were merely obstacles.

I apsolutely understand why you're trying to talk down on Kaka, though, and I don't hold it against you. Being an AS Roma fan; if you did actually say that Kaka is the best player in the World.. while having Totti in your squad would be a betrayel to your own team. The fact that you admitted that Kaka is a great player even suprised me. I just personally don't see the point in arguing about this for you, knowing what the outcome will be.
bos first are u high bro, barca the best team in the world.................

anyway why did u use deco, he was either on the bench or out injured for almost half the season, not mention it was real who won the league

but on kaka, i guess he would be my choice in that he can do what both c.ronaldo and rooney can do, and i'll give messi 2nd spot, but how they left out ibra, was quite astonishing,

[Bosanac]

bos first are u high bro, barca the best team in the world.................

anyway why did u use deco, he was either on the bench or out injured for almost half the season, not mention it was real who won the league

but on kaka, i guess he would be my choice in that he can do what both c.ronaldo and rooney can do, and i'll give messi 2nd spot, but how they left out ibra, was quite astonishing,


Despite what Rijkard thinks, for me, Deco is one of the best players in the World and has never won the Ballon d'Or. Came in second in 2004, but never won it.

Just look at Barcas squad..nobody out there is better than them. I know that's a harsh truth to a Madrista but that's the way it is.

Yeah, if I was the one giving out these awards, it would've been.. Kaka first, and Ibra second

And, if winning a derby gives you a high.. than, yeah I was :D

[Wabbit]

This thread should be closed...is pointless haha

My "sosias" Kaká won, nothing left to say.

[Bosanac]

Well, from that perspective.. every thread is pointless ;)

[Wabbit]

Oh I didnt mean that this thread was pointless just beacuase, but cause what Diego says.....oh nvm hahaha :D

[Lance Knight]

Despite what Rijkard thinks, for me, Deco is one of the best players in the World and has never won the Ballon d'Or. Came in second in 2004, but never won it.

Just look at Barcas squad..nobody out there is better than them. I know that's a harsh truth to a Madrista but that's the way it is.

Yeah, if I was the one giving out these awards, it would've been.. Kaka first, and Ibra second

And, if winning a derby gives you a high.. than, yeah I was :D
well look at the league table and recent performances of barca,
they might look good on paper but they are not showing it on the pitch

they have a bright future, but and the club is going through its transferance phase, like real a couple years ago,

but back to topic, i think most is in agreement that marradonna stop shit and go and suck his own pr*&k

[Bosanac]

Give them half a season, Lance. Let them build up some team chemistry. No team will be able to stop them, unless Real starts playing to their full capacity, but I hardly see that happening. Maybe if they tranferred Kaka'... ;)

[Gunner]

barcelona are a good team. but i dont think they could beat manchester if they play this year.

[Lance Knight]

ohhh ffor the longest while i would love to see real or barca play the mythical ManU,

@ bos nah i want diego instead

[Bosanac]

El Classico is coming up soon, right?

I guess we'll see who the best is :)

[Captain Fury]

im looking forward to it,.........eto'o and deco are ready

[Bosanac]

barcelona are a good team. but i dont think they could beat manchester if they play this year.


Haha.. yeah, right you are. :lol:

[Wabbit]

Hahaha Barça cant beat Man U...sure....sure........


hahaahaha :Pound:

So in conclusion who here thinks Rooney is better than Kaká??

[Bosanac]

So in conclusion who here thinks Rooney is better than Kaká??

I think, only Maradona. But if he read this thread, we would've even changed his mind. :D

[Wabbit]

Hahaha I finally agree with u Bos....:D

[Gunner]

yeh well we will see wont we. man u have alot of new players, tevez, anderson, nani.. and ofcourse c.ronaldo, rooney, giggs etc. trust me man u will be a tough game for any team this season. im an arsenal fan and i admit they have a lot of quality.

[Wabbit]

Well thatsa bit true...but still.........idk...........hahaha I dont go for any, I like them both, cause oth have argies........hahahah

[Captain Fury]

its gonna be hard to find a team without argentinians..............

[Vipaman]

I\'m a Man U supporter and Rooney is nothing but English hype. Diego must have been sniffing something before he said that.

Hes just saying that hoping it will help his tarnished reputation in England, just like he said that England was a world championship capable team prior to the World Cup. Hes just saying what he thinks is popular, poor guy.

Kaka is good, but he also has a great supporting cast. Hes better than Rooney though, by far. I think there was possibly only four players that could have touched Kaka for the POY award and those are

Ibrahimovic
Pirlo
C.Ronaldo
Totti

but two of those were left out by brilliant Fifa. Pirlo doesnt make enough media noise to be considered, but I watch Milan a lot and when Pirlo is out, Kakas ball distribution suffers because he isnt fed the ball enough and consequently he gets less goals and assists. They are both equally important to Milans attack.

[Vipaman]

hey Ronaldo is pretty close to Kaka but he doesnt play as smart. what i mean by that is that he tries to do everything by himself. when it was Roma 2-1 ManU, he tried to dribble through and he lost the ball whenever he got it. Manu 7-1 Roma was a different picture tho :)

Spot on Nermin. Kaka is much smarter than C.Ronaldo and much less selfish, which makes him a more complete and better player.

[Vipaman]

Unfortunately NBibic is right, most people, not only they do not watch much football and still judge players, but they go by who the most famous player is to make judgments.

Kaka plays in a team that has Seedorf, Gattuso, Prilo, Nesta to name a few. It wasn’t Kaka who made Milan win the UCL Final, it was Inzaghi. So now Inzaghi is better? No, but to say that Kaka is better because he by himself made them win the UCL that is false. Put Kaka in Roma and I want to see how well he does.

This point you made here, IB, is beyond stupidity.

This is a bit unfair Bos, dont you think? Arent we all entitled to our opinions?


If this was a major reason why Kaka won the best player award, why didnt Deco? He plays for the best team in the World, and is one of the best midfielders out there.

They didnt win the CL and he wasnt decisive in a good chunk of their games. That aside, Milan played one of the most complete team games of all teams in their CL run. I watched them all and they were like a well oiled machine. To give all the credit to one player is not fair. Seedorf, Inzaghi, Pirlo, Gattuso all contributed big time.


No, Kakas level of football is able to shine above all other super-stars in Milan. They didnt help him win the award, but were merely obstacles.

No way. If Milan didnt win the CL then Kaka could have lost out on the award to someone else. Its not a coincidence that in each year a championship winning player gets the award. Hes right Bos, in the CL final Kaka was marked out of it by Mascherano and Milan won despite Kaka, not because of Kaka. Though,because Kaka had a great CL run overall and was part of the winning team gave him a nod above other players.


I apsolutely understand why youre trying to talk down on Kaka, though, and I dont hold it against you. Being an AS Roma fan; if you did actually say that Kaka is the best player in the World.. while having Totti in your squad would be a betrayel to your own team. The fact that you admitted that Kaka is a great player even suprised me. I just personally dont see the point in arguing about this for you, knowing what the outcome will be.

I think that anyone could make a great argument for Kaka or Totti as the current best players in the world. I think we all agree too that Milan is a better team overall than Roma.Maybe this season they are not showing it, but its hard to argue that in the last season Milan was more complete, had the better strikers and better midfield.

[~zero_signal~]

No way. If Milan didnt win the CL then Kaka could have lost out on the award to someone else. Its not a coincidence that in each year a championship winning player gets the award.

I pretty much agree with what you've said. I think that Pirlo and Gatusso were key players in AC Milan's team last season. Hell, these guys were key players in Italy's 2006 WC triumph as well. It's not difficult to see what Kaka and Pirlo do for AC Milan because offensive and creative moves can be easy on the eye. What Gatusso does though is sometimes harder to notice -- he's like a little, stocky brick with a short temper, and he does the holding and cleaning-up job in midfield better than most.

[Vipaman]

Kaka and Pirlo are the business men negotiating the deals for Milan Corp. Gattuso is the enforcer who ensures their business partners pay up on time :D

Dida and Kalac are like the insiders who try to sabbotage the team. Milan need to find a goalie next season!!! :lol:

[Wabbit]

Weren't u on the mood of posting vipaman, eh?? :lol:

That is soooooooooooooo true Leo :D

[ItalianBoy]

Thanks Vipaman. ;) You understood what I meant because you know the game, unlike... that guy, who I only laughed at and not bothered replying. :boo:

[Bosanac]

:rolleyes:

[Bosanac]

This is a bit unfair Bos, dont you think? Arent we all entitled to our opinions?


Well, you can just smell a biased opinion from a mile away.


They didnt win the CL and he wasnt decisive in a good chunk of their games. That aside, Milan played one of the most complete team games of all teams in their CL run. I watched them all and they were like a well oiled machine. To give all the credit to one player is not fair. Seedorf, Inzaghi, Pirlo, Gattuso all contributed big time.


I wasn't giving credit to one player Vipa, you misunderstood. What I said was that eventhough Milan has a load of good players, great players in fact.. Kaka' is still able to shine. It's shortsighted to say that Kaka was good 'because' of those players. When you're good, you're good no matter where you play --Totti for example.


No way. If Milan didnt win the CL then Kaka could have lost out on the award to someone else. Its not a coincidence that in each year a championship winning player gets the award. Hes right Bos, in the CL final Kaka was marked out of it by Mascherano and Milan won despite Kaka, not because of Kaka. Though,because Kaka had a great CL run overall and was part of the winning team gave him a nod above other players.


Kaka' didn't score in the final, so even if they got eliminated in the semi-final let's say.. he still would've been the top scorer and wouldn't have been overlooked. If you remember the semi-final games, without Kaka'.. I doubt Milan would've advanced to the final anyway. Give credit when it's due. I'm still not saying that Kaka' did it all by himself. He does however.. strike the eye as the one who contributed the most to their success. He had an outstanding season, and if you compare a player like that to ones like 'Rooney' and actually say he's better.. you're bound to be criticized for your opinion.

[Wabbit]

Hohoho all I know is that Kaká's Milan will have to pray for a miracle to beat Boca Jr.

:D

[ReMad]

no way !


Kaka is much better than Rooney

Yes true b-rabbit

I think Kaka will teach Boca the lesson :)

[Vipaman]

Well, you can just smell a biased opinion from a mile away.


Fair enough, but arent all of our opinions biased one way or another? Still, we should be free to express them without being verbally reprimanded, ya?


I wasnt giving credit to one player Vipa, you misunderstood. What I said was that eventhough Milan has a load of good players, great players in fact.. Kaka is still able to shine. Its shortsighted to say that Kaka was good because of those players. When youre good, youre good no matter where you play --Totti for example.

I agree with you Bos. Kaka is good and part of a team at Milan, as is Totti. I agreed with Italianboy too that Kaka had better teammates and because of that Milan went further in the CL too. Roma lost to Manchester, badly, in one bizarre game, but Milan picked Manchester apart with relative ease. I think that shows the class difference between Milan and Roma.


Kaka didnt score in the final, so even if they got eliminated in the semi-final lets say.. he still wouldve been the top scorer and wouldnt have been overlooked. If you remember the semi-final games, without Kaka.. I doubt Milan wouldve advanced to the final anyway. Give credit when its due.

Im all about that. I think Kaka fully deserves his award, dont get me wrong. I know this isnt about the world player of the year, but I think that Fifa purposely left out Totti and Ibrahimovic because those two could have seriously taken votes away from Kaka and Kaka may not have won it this year. I think Ive said this in another thread but my belief is that one of these five could have won POY

Kaka
Totti
Pirlo
Ibrahimovic
C. Ronaldo

Of that list I think Totti = Kaka in terms of achievements and abilities. Sure, Milan won the CL which gives Kaka the advantage as it is usually a member of a winning team who gets the award, but having Totti and Ibrahimovic not even make the list shows how stupid Fifa can be at times.


Im still not saying that Kaka did it all by himself. He does however.. strike the eye as the one who contributed the most to their success. He had an outstanding season, and if you compare a player like that to ones like Rooney and actually say hes better.. youre bound to be criticized for your opinion.

He did score a lot of goals, no doubt about it, though even I am still hesitant in saying that he contributed more than any other. I think there is a trinity at Milan of equally important players. I cant state enough how many times Ive seen Gattuso turn over a ball, send it to Pirlo who someone manages to thread a ball through to Kaka or Seedorf and it creating a goal, or Pirlo creating a goal himself. In my opinion, Kaka receives more attention because hes a bit more flashy, but his worth is = to Pirlo on Milan.

Pirlos job is thankless because his name is rarely mentioned and hes hardly in the spotlight, but watch games in which he doesnt play and youll see that even Kakas performance lacks.

Kaka deserves his award though, no doubt about it. There are five players at the top, all of whom are very close in terms of ability and I think Ive listed those five. I would add Messi too in a few years. He will probably superceed the majority of them.

[Gunner]

i still dont think hes been that special, ronaldinho for me was the best candidate when he is on fire. the guy can do things others cant. and the way he looks away and passes the ball.. thats what i like, a bit of swagger. kaka doesnt have that.

thats all i was getting at, kaka yes he is player of the year but not the best player in there has been in the last few years.

[Gavmundo]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Everyone knows Rooney is better than Kaka.... and Ronaldo come to think of it. Even Kaka said he though ronaldo should get the prize before he won it. Course Kaka's a great guy so he would say something like that.

[Andygers]

^ I just feel that next year will be Ronaldo's year, he is getting better and better. Whilst Kaka is playing in a mediocre AC team this year.

[Gavmundo]

I mean't Ronaldo is better than Kaka not that Rooney is better than Ronaldo lol. I think they're all top quality players and think it's very close between Kaka and Ronnie. I like Kaka's mentality though he doesn't let everything go to his head he's very laid back and humble. I like that!