Group 9

[Saraj Fanatico]

Group 9:

Holland
Scotland
Norway
FYR Macedonia
Iceland


Thoughts? Are you happy with the draw your nation got? What will be the exciting match up in this one? What are your teams chances of making it? Share your thoughts!

[Andygers]

This is an okay draw for us, Holland and Norway will be tough tests for us and maybe Macedonia and Iceland could give us a shock.

The big match IMO is Scotland - Holland also Norway - Holland.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Scotland vs Norway is such a beautiful match. :)

[Andygers]

Yeah we beat them 2-1 in oslo the last time we played them :)

[Saraj Fanatico]

I really think its not fair for Scotland to get this group. I kinda wanted the Scots to have an easier time this time around. Holland, Norway are going to fight crazy, and Macedonia is tricky. All you have to do is focus and play 100%. Your Pot 1 team isn't all that crazy though. Holland is easier then France. They are pretty beatable.

[Andygers]

I really think its not fair for Scotland to get this group. I kinda wanted the Scots to have an easier time this time around. Holland, Norway are going to fight crazy, and Macedonia is tricky. All you have to do is focus and play 100%. Your Pot 1 team isn't all that crazy though. Holland is easier then France. They are pretty beatable. Yeah I reckon we can take on Holland and Norway and steal first place, maybe lol :D

Macedonia are going to be tough, the game I am most comfortable with is Iceland because even with our very poor team we defeated them home and away. Norway matches will be the killer as well as the Holland matches.

[shevafan]

i feel scotland are gonna screw up in macedonia like they did in georgia =)) (you guys were so close...)

[CambriaFan]

Both Scotland and England have similar groups - the top team is pretty tough but could have been a lot worse, while the third seeded team - Norway and Ukraine - pose a really difficult challenge. Also, we'll do well to win in Macedonia and Iceland...but why not :D

[Italianduke]

Andy, i think your problem is that you relay too much on single past events, like " we beaten once holland at hampden" etc.

Don't look at past, simply compare and analyze how much your team can harm the others.

[CambriaFan]

i feel scotland are gonna screw up in macedonia like they did in georgia =)) (you guys were so close...)
Yeah :lol: In typical Scotland style we'll beat the Dutch home and away before losing it in Reykjavik or Skopje

[mihajlovic11]

Only one team coming out of this group.
But if Scotland show the heart they did in the EURO qualys then theyve got a chance against an unconvincing Holland and a poor Norway.

[Italianduke]

Only one team coming out of this group.
But if Scotland show the heart they did in the EURO qualys then theyve got a chance against an unconvincing Holland and a poor Norway.


Mmmh, you read too that only one team will qualify from this ?

Can anyone post an official link of the rules of this qualification tour ? I'm confused

EDIT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%28UEFA%29

Finally...

[Andygers]

This group could all comedown to the games against Macedonia, someone is bound to slip up against them....lets hope its not us.

[Andygers]

Man some of the matches in this group!!!!!!

Scotland - Holland
Norway - Scotland
Holland - Norway

[wales]

Good draw though.

[stuglue]

i think this is a good group for Scotland,i was surprised how well they did in the Euro qualifiers,if im honest i expected them to end up level par with Georgia so to nearly qualify was a fantastic improvement for them.
As for the other teams,Holland are starting to remind me of England,good players but the performance's aren't up to scratch.
Norway play defensive dour football and i think Scotland have what it takes to beat them home and away,the real bogey team will be Macedonia,not a team that will ever qualify but they know how to frustrate teams and get draws.
Iceland i don't rate at all,very poor defensively,they should end up bottom of the group

[wales]

Shouldnt only 1 team go thorugh from this group as there is an advantage of only 5 teams.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Yeah I reckon we can take on Holland and Norway and steal first place, maybe lol :D

Macedonia are going to be tough, the game I am most comfortable with is Iceland because even with our very poor team we defeated them home and away. Norway matches will be the killer as well as the Holland matches.


All you boys have to do is beat the living crap out of FYM and Iceland and take Norway and Holland very easily. You have to be cautious and make sure you collect at least 4 points from Norway and another 3 from Holland. That should do the trick. I honestly think you can take even 1st seeing how crappy Holland has been playing. They are not playing too attractive football at the moment.

[Andygers]

All you boys have to do is beat the living crap out of FYM and Iceland and take Norway and Holland very easily. You have to be cautious and make sure you collect at least 4 points from Norway and another 3 from Holland. That should do the trick. I honestly think you can take even 1st seeing how crappy Holland has been playing. They are not playing too attractive football at the moment. I think we can rise to that challenge. I Reckon we can take 3 pts from Holland and 4 from Norway, we must get 12 points against Iceland and Norway to have any ambitions in this group.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Norway will mess up. You guys should feel very blessed to have them pulled from Pot 3. They played like crap vs BiH and Turkey. They had 2 chances against us and scored. And then 2 more chances against Turkey and managed to score 1. Be careful of their finishing. But above all, they are so dangerous at the wings. Pederson and Riise are going to be a headache at crossing the ball in for Carew. Scotland needs to nicely seal the wings when playing Norway and I promise you that Norway will be nothing more then Iceland. They cannot put up offensive passes to save their lives. But they sure know how to cross the damn thing.

[Andygers]

^ Yeah I thought Norway were a really good team!!! They sound pretty average in your assessment.

[stuglue]

Last time i saw them was the play off for 2006 and they were awful,no creativity and very negative approach play.Riise has a cracking left foot though

[Andygers]

Yeah we played them in the qualifiers our results were:

Scotland 0-1 Norway (This was when we were at our poorest)
Norway 1-2 Scotland ( When Walter Smith took over this was the result)

[Saraj Fanatico]

Norway is terrible at the offense. Its just their wings that anyone has to worry about. Every cross seems destined for goal.

[Lusitânia Power]

I really hope that Scotland and Holland go through, this will be a triple threat, Macedonia and Iceland will do some "little wonders" to the big guys lol

[CambriaFan]

Shouldnt only 1 team go thorugh from this group as there is an advantage of only 5 teams.
This group is the same as all the others - 1 automatic qualifier and the second place team will get a chance in a play-off (as long as they don't finish last of the 2nd teams.) *Because there are no minnows in this group and you would assume the runners-up from other groups would take 6 pts from Luxembourg, Faroes etc this would make it unfair for Scotland or whoever else finishes second here as they've had less games to accumulate points. To get round this, when deciding which 2nd place team gets into a play-off - only results against 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th place teams count.

P.S. Tough group for Wales btw. I'd fancy yous to beat Finland but Germany and Russia will be tough. We'll be routing for you though :D

[Bosnian Unit]

Scotland will be 2nd i have a feeling.

I also like Scotland, one of my favorites after Bosnia since they remaind me on Bosnia in many ways.

Always trying but never enough, but has a hell of a great supporters.

[SiN]

The Dutch should win the only five-team group, but Scotland pushed Italy and France all the way in their Euro 2008 qualifying group while Norway finished a close third in their Euro qualifier behind Greece and Turkey. The Netherlands beat Scotland 6-1 on aggregate in a playoff for Euro 2004 but are unlikely to repeat that kind of result against the Scots, who have risen from 88th to 14th in the world rankings over the last two years.

[Vic]

1- Scotland
2- Holland/Norway

[wales]

This group is the same as all the others - 1 automatic qualifier and the second place team will get a chance in a play-off (as long as they don't finish last of the 2nd teams.) *Because there are no minnows in this group and you would assume the runners-up from other groups would take 6 pts from Luxembourg, Faroes etc this would make it unfair for Scotland or whoever else finishes second here as they've had less games to accumulate points. To get round this, when deciding which 2nd place team gets into a play-off - only results against 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th place teams count.

P.S. Tough group for Wales btw. I'd fancy yous to beat Finland but Germany and Russia will be tough. We'll be routing for you though :D


Thanks for rooting for us. I understand your explanation. You have a good advantage of only having 5 teams in your group i guess. I would say your chances of getting 2nd place at least are really high.

[stuglue]

you would assume the runners-up from other groups would take 6 pts from Luxembourg, Faroes
No-one remind of you of when Scotland played the Faroes? 2-2,that was close to being a defeat for the Scots:lol:

[Andygers]

^ That was under volgts though....nuff said

This campaign will be even harder because the manager left.

[Andygers]

Thanks for rooting for us Scottish people generally only dislike Engerrrland.....I quite like wales, N. Ireland and R.O.I :)

[stuglue]

So how do you feel now that Mcleish has gone.Granted its a full year until these qualifiers so any momentum gained from the Euro 2008 qualifiers is going to be well forgotten by then.Any choice on who'd you like as the new man?

[CambriaFan]

No-one remind of you of when Scotland played the Faroes? 2-2,that was close to being a defeat for the Scots:lol:
Thanks :lol: the nightmares had just stopped.

I did say runners-up though :p And when that happened under Vogts we were no where near 2nd place :)

[stuglue]

I always thought Craig Brown was one of the best managers Scotland had

[CambriaFan]

^^ Yeah Brown was consistent although we drew too many games. I'm not that bothered who we get as long as they are Scottish and continue the work Smith and McLeish have started. First choice - Gary McAllistair.

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=57961

[wales]

I wonder if Mcleish's move was wise.

[Fenerliyim]

i doubt the dutch will miss out on WC10, and hopefully the scottish will make it this time around as well.

[emode]

I hope Holland and Scotland will top this group in first and second place.

[wales]

Unless Norway Can threatened the top 2

[wales]

The fixtures are revealed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_-_UEFA_Group_9

[~zero_signal~]

I can't see the Netherlands missing out on going to 2010. There are some very talented young Dutch players coming through now, not as high profile as those of other European countries, but still very good. Their NT hasn't been playing brilliantly in recent times, but I think that their football will get better. It has to, with all the big names coming through!

Scotland and Norway will probably cause the Dutch some headaches, but their big games may well be against each other. I expected a little more from Norway during the EURO 2008 qualifiers, but their NT can't be underestimated -- generally, what these guys lack in natural talent/technique and offensive power, they make up for in hard work and a never-say-die attitude.

Scotland needs to play the same way it did during the EURO 2008 qualifiers, except with more conviction.

[Andygers]

I can't see the Netherlands missing out on going to 2010. There are some very talented young Dutch players coming through now, not as high profile as those of other European countries, but still very good. Their NT hasn't been playing brilliantly in recent times, but I think that their football will get better. It has to, with all the big names coming through!

Scotland and Norway will probably cause the Dutch some headaches, but their big games may well be against each other. I expected a little more from Norway during the EURO 2008 qualifiers, but their NT can't be underestimated -- generally, what these guys lack in natural talent/technique and offensive power, they make up for in hard work and a never-say-die attitude.

Scotland needs to play the same way it did during the EURO 2008 qualifiers, except with more conviction. Personally I don't think we have much to fear against Holland because they are not the team they used to be and also Van Basten has left.

How can you play with more conviction when you are in the middle of a rebuilding process???? We defeated France (twice) and Ukraine and narrowly lost out against Italy (the world champions don't forget). The only really disappointing result was against Georgia but we will learn from that game and use the experience against teams like Macedonia. The games against Holland and Norway will be challenges but I believe with the right manager installed we can get a play-off place or even finish top.

[SiN]

There is seriously no doubt who is going through here, clear as water...

Scotland will take first imo and then Holland (which i think some people over-rate)

[Lech1]

In this time Marco Van Basten will not a Oranje Coach and I thing that is good information for Holland.

I am sure that Holland.

Who will be second?? Scotland becouse they make a big progress.

[Andygers]

^ We did make a big process in the last campaign but because of that some people are now expecting us to finish first.

[CambriaFan]

Here's the fixture in full for Group 9 (cheers to wales for the link)

6th Sep 2008
FYR Macedonia v Scotland
Norway v Iceland


10th Sep 2008
Iceland v Scotland
FYR Macedonia v Netherlands


11th Oct 2008
Scotland v Norway
Netherlands v Iceland


15th Oct 2008
Iceland v FYR Macedonia
Norway v Netherlands


28th Mar 2009
Netherlands v Scotland


1st Apr 2009
Scotland v Iceland
Netherlands v FYR Macedonia


6th Jun 2009
Iceland v Netherlands
FYR Macedonia v Norway


10th Jun 2009
FYR Macedonia v Iceland
Netherlands v Norway


19th Aug 2009
Norway v Scotland


5th Sep 2009
Scotland v FYR Macedonia
Iceland v Norway


9th Sep 2009
Scotland v Netherlands
Norway v FYR Macedonia

[wales]

Yeah, Scotland will be looking to get 2 wins under their belt, to start the campaign.

[CambriaFan]

9 points from the first three would be great :D then anything in Netherlands would be a bonus.

The fixtures negotiated have pros and cons but are generally good for us. Getting the Dutch at home on the final day will be a wonderful game like the Italy one (although it didn't turn out great, its always nice to have the big matches at the end of the campaign).

I would rather not have had the 2 smaller nations away so near the beginning of the campaign though. We'll be expected to beat them and defeat in either could ruin our chances...

[Andygers]

^ I won't be able to contain my self if it comes to that game!!!!!!!

[wales]

Well Wales play Iceland in May, so I guess we will see how good they are then. Also they play the Netherlands in June.

[~zero_signal~]

How can you play with more conviction when you are in the middle of a rebuilding process???? We defeated France (twice) and Ukraine and narrowly lost out against Italy (the world champions don't forget). The only really disappointing result was against Georgia but we will learn from that game and use the experience against teams like Macedonia. The games against Holland and Norway will be challenges but I believe with the right manager installed we can get a play-off place or even finish top.

I hadn't come back to this thread in ages.

I hear what you're saying, about being in a rebuilding process, but as impressive as Scotland was in most games, the NT lacked conviction in 2 or 3 vital games. What I'm trying to say here is that you beat France twice, which is excellent, but you can't beat the French twice and let down against Georgia -- that one for me was the killer. I also thought that the narrow loss to Italy could have, and possibly should have, been a draw.

Maybe I'm expecting too much from a NT that is currently developing, but I think that Scotland can't let down. The Dutch may be struggling to produce good football now, but their NT will improve a lot, make no mistake about it, and I am sure that Norway is already planning ahead -- these guys are hardened warriors, so they'll give everything they have. Trust me, this is one of the tougher groups.

[DC92]

I think we have a real chance in this group. Holland, whilst still a good team, faltered a bit in their last campaign and at Hampden Park, we can beat anyone. Norway are beatable. Iceland could be tough, but I am still expecting 6 points from those fixtures. Macedonia away in our first game will be the key, that could be a very hard game, possibly another Georgia, I'm sure they will be hard to beat at Hampden too, much like Georgia and Lithuania were in the last campaign.

I think we can even improve the side on the last campaign. We need to find a long term replacement for Davie Weir at centre-back - Davie will do for now but I don't think Gary Caldwell, whilst error prone is as bad as people think. We could also do with a left-back, Gary Naysmith is steady, but Whittaker and McNaughton could push him for place, maybe even Stevie Smith if he gets back to his best after long term injury. The wings could do with improvement too, McCulloch is limited and Brown's form had dropped rapidly in the last year. I'd like to see Barry Robson given McCulloch's place as he has a good delivery and Morrison could provide opposition to Brown on the right depending on how good he turns out to be.:blabla:

I think we can win this group.

[Andygers]

I think we have a real chance in this group. Holland, whilst still a good team, faltered a bit in their last campaign and at Hampden Park, we can beat anyone. Norway are beatable. Iceland could be tough, but I am still expecting 6 points from those fixtures. Macedonia away in our first game will be the key, that could be a very hard game, possibly another Georgia, I'm sure they will be hard to beat at Hampden too, much like Georgia and Lithuania were in the last campaign. Norway are beatable but we will still have to keep an eye out for them because they have the potential to cause problems. Iceland should be 6 points in the bag but I'm taking nothing for granted yet, the Holland games are the ones that could decide everything but I don't think they are as crucial as we think. The team that is worring me is the Macedonia, sure we might be able to beat them at home but our record against Eastern European teams is horrible away from home, I mean Georgia weren't that great and yet put a massive dent in our qualification progress. I just hope to god we don't repeat that again!


I think we can even improve the side on the last campaign. We need to find a long term replacement for Davie Weir at centre-back - Davie will do for now but I don't think Gary Caldwell, whilst error prone is as bad as people think. We could also do with a left-back, Gary Naysmith is steady, but Whittaker and McNaughton could push him for place, maybe even Stevie Smith if he gets back to his best after long term injury. The wings could do with improvement too, McCulloch is limited and Brown's form had dropped rapidly in the last year. I'd like to see Barry Robson given McCulloch's place as he has a good delivery and Morrison could provide opposition to Brown on the right depending on how good he turns out to be.:blabla:

I think we can win this group. By the looks of yesterdays friendly against Czech Republic we have improved, our second team were worthy of a draw yesterday a very good Czech side that were trying. I would be scared to imagine what our best would have done yesterday.

I too believe that we can win this group but we will have to beat Norway, Macedonia and Iceland twice and take at least 3 points off of Holland.

[I Am Legend]

Holland to win this group followed by Norway, FGR Macedonia, Iceland with Scotland brining up the rear.

[Andygers]

^ Lol I bet you said that when the Euro groups were released!

Anyone with a brain will tell you that Scotland have a chance in this group and let me tell you why:

Holland- Not the greatest of 1st pot teams, we can take them at home but will probably lose away.

Norway- Not the best of teams, we beat them the last time we played them in Oslo. Should beat them home and away because people supporting BiH who had them the last time said they were poor.

Macedonia- They are a good team at home but we should be able to beat them at home, away we can win but it will take a big effort.

Iceland- I am sorry but they couldn't even draw with us when we were at our very poorest, no chance of beating us.

[I Am Legend]

^ Lol I bet you said that when the Euro groups were released!

Anyone with a brain will tell you that Scotland have a chance in this group and let me tell you why:

Holland- Not the greatest of 1st pot teams, we can take them at home but will probably lose away.

Norway- Not the best of teams, we beat them the last time we played them in Oslo. Should beat them home and away because people supporting BiH who had them the last time said they were poor.

Macedonia- They are a good team at home but we should be able to beat them at home, away we can win but it will take a big effort.

Iceland- I am sorry but they couldn't even draw with us when we were at our very poorest, no chance of beating us.


Holland will skin you alive home and away. Just shows how little knowledge you have. Marco Van Basten is already the second most winning coach in Hollands history (an englishman is first) and they will have way too much for the very over rated Scotland.

[Andygers]

Holland will skin you alive home and away. Just shows how little knowledge you have. Marco Van Basten is already the second most winning coach in Hollands history (an englishman is first) and they will have way too much for the very over rated Scotland. Okay I have no knowledge and yet you say we will be skined home and away! We beat a better team home and away and came close against the world champions. Don't call us overated when you go on about England being this world superpower and yet were defeated by Croatia and Russia.

[I Am Legend]

Okay I have no knowledge and yet you say we will be skined home and away! We beat a better team home and away and came close against the world champions. Don't call us overated when you go on about England being this world superpower and yet were defeated by Croatia and Russia.

We are the worlds superpower at Soccer. We have always been the best footballing nation from this Island. Oh and rugby and most other sports.

Anhow, it is my firm belief that Scotland will fail miserably in their World Cup bid.

But your fans will get to see the cup when England and the players parade the cup in an open top bus round Glasgow and Edinburgh. :smoking:

[Andygers]

We are the worlds superpower at Soccer. We have always been the best footballing nation from this Island. Oh and rugby and most other sports.

Anhow, it is my firm belief that Scotland will fail miserably in their World Cup bid.

But your fans will get to see the cup when England and the players parade the cup in an open top bus round Glasgow and Edinburgh. :smoking: And there boys and girls is the reason the world hates England.

Arrogance personified.

[Andygers]

Now lets keep this discussion on the teams from Group 9 not some over-hyped team from down south.

[I Am Legend]

And there boys and girls is the reason the world hates England.

Arrogance personified.

Don't be hating Andy. Read my sig and embrace the facts. Just think if you would have been born 100 miles south then you too could read my sig and feel great about it, instead of bitter :smoking:

[I Am Legend]

Now lets keep this discussion on the teams from Group 9 not some over-hyped team from down south.

Overhyped that have WON the World Cup.

Back to topic, Scotland will not qualify from this group. They might get lucky and win the odd game, but that is about it.

Read my sig.

[Andygers]

^ Your sig is crap, who cares.

Uruguay have won the WC more times than you, get over it it was years ago. England are a dried up nation now. Lets end it here. We are only talking about teams in group 9.

[I Am Legend]

^ Your sig is crap, who cares.

Uruguay have won the WC more times than you, get over it it was years ago. England are a dried up nation now. Lets end it here. We are only talking about teams in group 9.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeese we are the finest nation on this island. We are the reason it is called "Great" Britain. My sig is only one that English people can use. :smoking:

Back to subject...Norway will finish runners up. I think Holland will attain maximum points from this group.

[Andygers]

^ Tbh I don't care anymore, say what you like but more people here repect us than you.

You have had your opinion twice on how the group will go. why are you still on this thread?

[Gunner]

lol stop you two, its ***king gay!

[Andygers]

I know man I got carried away! I will stop now.

[I Am Legend]

lol stop you two, its ***king gay!

Gay? :shocked: I'm not from London you know. :p

[Gunner]

lol dupoint.. chill would ya. and change your name! dog breath lol its nasty..

[I Am Legend]

lol dupoint.. chill would ya. and change your name! dog breath lol its nasty..

I am always chilled. I am not allowed to be Dupont anymore...I have requested it many times, but am always denied. Dog Breath is just fine by me.

[Andygers]

After seeing Holland tonight I am confident. Come on scotland lets take this group!!

[Andygers]

So how do others think this group will end up?

[I Am Legend]

Holland
Norway
FYR Macedonia
Iceland
Scotland

That is how the group will end up. :smoking:

[Andygers]

Holland
Norway
FYR Macedonia
Iceland
Scotland

That is how the group will end up. :smoking: I said others lol...

[Andygers]

It will be interesting to see how Scotland start this competition. I think its going to be tough in Macedonia but we will pull it off :thumbsup:

Your thoughts?

[NB-MVP]

Well watch out for Pandev

[Andygers]

Well they should watch out for Miller....¬¬

[Saraj Fanatico]

Pandev is an animal, Scotland needs to be very careful.

[NB-MVP]

He scored today, :).

[A(Bosancero)]

Pandev is a beast! he scored two goals against bih in Zenica be very careful with him

[Andygers]

Macedonia had improved a lot recently. Their recent 4 unbeaten records and the last 4-1 victory are a good proof.

On the other side, Scotland also did their a good job in Euro qualifying, just slightly behind Italy and France. However, Scotland seems dropping after 3 streak winless in friendly matches.

David Soz will look slightly better on Macedonia. I don't really think you should look into friendlies that much. It was a mixed bag for us performance wise, we were great against Croatia, we were average against Northern Ireland and we were poor against the Czech Republic.

I think despite heavy backing for Macedonia, Scotland will take this one.

[DC92]

Rubbish yesterday. But to be honest, we had 2 stonewall penalties turned down in the space of 2 seconds and their goal came from a non-free-kick.

Oh well. I still think we'll probably finish 2nd.

[Andygers]

^ Yes I still believe that we can get second but we will have to play much better than that.

Norway drawing was a great result though.

[DC92]

I think we will still win the games required to come 2nd. If we finish 2008 with 6 points from Iceland an Norway, I think we are well on track to get 2nd.

[Andygers]

I think we will still win the games required to come 2nd. If we finish 2008 with 6 points from Iceland an Norway, I think we are well on track to get 2nd. I agree, we have to get full points from the next few games or we have no chance.

[NB-MVP]

Macedonia attacked a lot, it could've been 2-0 before halftime. Scotland played better in 2nd half. Macedonia is much better than last couple of years, really proud of them.

[A(Bosancero)]

i am proud of all ex yugo countries they all improved over the last 5-10 years they really established themselves hopefully montengro can join us after some years of playing

[Andygers]

Wednesday 11th September

Macedonia 1-2 Holland
Iceland 1-2 Scotland :D

Table

Teams Pld W D L GF GA Pts

Netherlands 1 1 0 0 2 1 3
Macedonia 2 1 0 1 2 2 3
Scotland 2 1 0 1 2 2 3
Norway 1 0 1 0 2 2 1
Iceland 2 0 1 1 3 4 1

[Andygers]

Upcoming fixtures-

Saturday 11th October

Scotland - Norway
Netherlands - Iceland

Wednesday 15th October

Iceland - FYR Macedonia
Norway - Netherlands

Very interesting games hopefully they will go in Scotland's favor.

[DC92]

Upcoming fixtures-

Saturday 11th October

Scotland - Norway
Netherlands - Iceland

Wednesday 15th October

Iceland - FYR Macedonia
Norway - Netherlands

Very interesting games hopefully they will go in Scotland's favor.

Saturday 11th October

Scotland 2 - 0 Norway
Netherlands 1 - 0 Iceland

Wednesday 15th October

Iceland 0 - 1 FYR Macedonia
Norway 1 - 1 Netherlands

Group 9

1. Netherlands | 7 points
2. Scotland | 6 points
3. FYR Macedonia | 6 points
4. Norway | 2 points
5. Iceland | 1 point

[Andygers]

Saturday 11th October

Scotland 3 - 0 Norway
Netherlands 1 - 0 Iceland

Wednesday 15th October

Iceland 1 - 1 FYR Macedonia
Norway 1 - 2 Netherlands

Group 9

1. Netherlands | 9 points
2. Scotland | 6 points
3. FYR Macedonia | 4 points
4. Iceland | 2 points
5. Norway | 1 point

[DC92]

Saturday 11th October

Scotland 3 - 0 Norway
Netherlands 1 - 0 Iceland

Wednesday 15th October

Iceland 1 - 1 FYR Macedonia
Norway 1 - 2 Netherlands

Group 9

1. Netherlands | 9 points
2. Scotland | 6 points
3. FYR Macedonia | 4 points
4. Norway | 1 point
5. Iceland | 1 point

Even better! Although Iceland would have 2 points.

[Andygers]

Even better! Although Iceland would have 2 points. Lol I always make mistakes, don't pay attention to it.

[Sebastian]

Macedonia attacked a lot, it could've been 2-0 before halftime. Scotland played better in 2nd half. Macedonia is much better than last couple of years, really proud of them.

Macedonia is making a huge progress,but beside all that i can never forget what they did with England in 2002 when they sold them the game when the match was played in Macedonia...
It was an obvious fixed match and i said"NO MORE OF THIS"...and i have never watched Macedonia match since then,nor will i ever do...

You sell a match to these bitches and expect football hard core fans to back you up????

[DC92]

Lol I always make mistakes, don't pay attention to it.


Well I'm probably wrong too! Macedonia would be ahead of us if head-to-head comes before goal difference.

[Andygers]

Can't wait to see Scotland in action again.

Hopefully we can do the business!

[benfica64]

Macedonia is making a huge progress,but beside all that i can never forget what they did with England in 2002 when they sold them the game when the match was played in Macedonia...
It was an obvious fixed match and i said"NO MORE OF THIS"...and i have never watched Macedonia match since then,nor will i ever do...

You sell a match to these bitches and expect football hard core fans to back you up????

Macedonia sucks big time. Heck a high school team, can wipe the floor with macedonia :lol::lol:
They dont need give anything away to anyone, everyone takes from them. :lol:

[benfica64]

THIS"...and i have never watched Macedonia match since then,nor will i ever do...

I dont blame you sebastian, I wouldnt ever watch them play either, even if you payed me. :lol:

[DC92]

I am still pretty confident, despite a couple of our early results...

Wednesday 11th October
Iceland 0 - 1 Macedonia
Norway 0 - 0 Netherlands

Group 9
Netherlands | 7
Macedonia | 6
Scotland | 4
Norway | 3
Iceland | 1

Saturday 28th March
Netherlands 1 - 0 Scotland

Group 9
Netherlands | 10
Macedonia | 6
Scotland | 4
Norway | 3
Iceland | 1

Wednesday April 1st
Netherlands 1 - 0 Macedonia
Scotland 2 - 0 Iceland

Group 9
Netherlands | 13
Scotland | 7
Macedonia | 6
Norway | 3
Iceland | 1

Saturday June 6th
Iceland 0 - 0 Netherlands
Macedonia 0 - 0 Norway

Group 9
Netherlands | 14
Macedonia | 7
Scotland | 7
Norway | 5
Iceland | 2

Wednesday June 10th
Netherlands 2 - 0 Norway
Macedonia 1 - 1 Iceland

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Macedonia | 8
Scotland | 7
Norway | 5
Iceland | 3
*Netherlands qualify for World Cup 2010
*Iceland are eliminated

Wednesday August 12th
Norway 0 - 0 Scotland

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Macedonia | 8
Scotland | 8
Norway | 6
Iceland | 3

Saturday September 5th
Scotland 2 - 1 Macedonia
Iceland 1 - 0 Norway

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Scotland | 11
Macedonia | 8
Iceland | 6
Norway | 6
*Norway are eliminated

Wednesday September 9th
Scotland 1 - 0 Netherlands (Netherlands having already qualified)
Norway 2 - 1 Macedonia

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Scotland | 14
Norway | 8
Macedonia | 8
Iceland | 6
*Macedonia are eliminated
*Scotland finish 2nd

14 points hopefully enough for a play-off spot, considering it is probably worth 18-20 points in any other group.

Now I think I've been quite fair in my predictions. I did say Macedonia would win in Iceland and Norway would hold Holland after all! I am also deluded enough to think we can win in Oslo and maybe even nick a point in Amsterdam, so I think my predictions are quite fair.

[Andygers]

I am still pretty confident, despite a couple of our early results...

Wednesday 11th October
Iceland 0 - 1 Macedonia
Norway 0 - 0 Netherlands

Group 9
Netherlands | 7
Macedonia | 6
Scotland | 4
Norway | 3
Iceland | 1

Saturday 28th March
Netherlands 1 - 0 Scotland

Group 9
Netherlands | 10
Macedonia | 6
Scotland | 4
Norway | 3
Iceland | 1

Wednesday April 1st
Netherlands 1 - 0 Macedonia
Scotland 2 - 0 Iceland

Group 9
Netherlands | 13
Scotland | 7
Macedonia | 6
Norway | 3
Iceland | 1

Saturday June 6th
Iceland 0 - 0 Netherlands
Macedonia 0 - 0 Norway

Group 9
Netherlands | 14
Macedonia | 7
Scotland | 7
Norway | 5
Iceland | 2

Wednesday June 10th
Netherlands 2 - 0 Norway
Macedonia 1 - 1 Iceland

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Macedonia | 8
Scotland | 7
Norway | 5
Iceland | 3
*Netherlands qualify for World Cup 2010
*Iceland are eliminated

Wednesday August 12th
Norway 0 - 0 Scotland

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Macedonia | 8
Scotland | 8
Norway | 6
Iceland | 3

Saturday September 5th
Scotland 2 - 1 Macedonia
Iceland 1 - 0 Norway

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Scotland | 11
Macedonia | 8
Iceland | 6
Norway | 6
*Norway are eliminated

Wednesday September 9th
Scotland 1 - 0 Netherlands (Netherlands having already qualified)
Norway 2 - 1 Macedonia

Group 9
Netherlands | 17
Scotland | 14
Norway | 8
Macedonia | 8
Iceland | 6

14 points hopefully enough for a play-off spot, considering it is probably worth 18-20 points in any other group.

Now I think I've been quite fair in my predictions. I did say Macedonia would win in Iceland and Norway would hold Holland after all! I am also deluded enough to think we can win in Oslo and maybe even nick a point in Amsterdam, so I think my predictions are quite fair. Will 14 points not put us in danger of becoming the worst runners up meaning we don't get into the play offs?

I think we need 16.

[DC92]

Will 14 points not put us in danger of becoming the worst runners up meaning we don't get into the play offs?

I think we need 16.

It certainly will. But that's probably worht 20 points in any other group and I reckon we can hope that someone in 2nd place can finish a couple lower than that;) I reckon we can take all 3 in Norway and maybe even 1 in Holland if we need to though;)

[LindavG]

It's been quite a long time since I posted on this forum but I'm back again ;)

(First of all, I come from the Netherlands so it's clear to everyone from what perspective I'm writing this.) I really like this group. I was rooting for Scotland in the EURO 2008 qualifications but sadly they didn't make it. Let's hope that'll be different this time. I think it will be awesome to play in Scotland with the fans all cheering, must be a great atmosphere and surely a lot of Dutch fans will be present too. Then Norway, also quite a good team (although they have underachieved so far) and Dutch people always get along great with Scandinavians ;) Also a good thing that Norway and Scotland aren't too far away. Iceland shouldn't pose a problem for us (in the first game (which was yesterday) we beat them 2-0 but I know it will be tougher to play in Iceland, but still we should win). Macedonia, like every East European country, is very difficult to beat at home but fortunately we managed to do that already in our first game. I like the fact that there are only 5 teams in this group, it means we have to play 2 games less (which would've been against a European dwarf anyway, you can only lose in those games because if you win, it is expected and if you draw or lose it is a disgrace). Things are looking good for us so far, if we win our next game against Norway and Macedonia - Iceland ends up in a draw, we are already halfway there :) The standings would look like this:

1. Netherlands (3 - 9)
2. Scotland (3 - 4)
3. Macedonia (3 - 4)
4. Norway (3 - 2)
5. Iceland (4 - 2)

But that's in an ideal situation of course. In the end I hope Holland finishes first and Scotland second and wins the play-offs.

This was my looooong message :D

[DC92]

I gave a scenario earlier which saw Scotland finsh 2nd on 14 points, which is definitely not guaranteed 2nd spot.

I reckon Group 7 will go something like this, looking at the most likely results:

France | 22
Romania | 18
Serbia | 18
Lithuania | 14
Austria | 10
Faroe Islands | 1

Romania | 18 (-6 points against 6th placed team)
-----------------
Scotland | 14

Scotland | 14
-------------
Romania | 12

It's going to be very close anyway!

[Andygers]

It's been quite a long time since I posted on this forum but I'm back again ;)

(First of all, I come from the Netherlands so it's clear to everyone from what perspective I'm writing this.) I really like this group. I was rooting for Scotland in the EURO 2008 qualifications but sadly they didn't make it. Let's hope that'll be different this time. I think it will be awesome to play in Scotland with the fans all cheering, must be a great atmosphere and surely a lot of Dutch fans will be present too. Then Norway, also quite a good team (although they have underachieved so far) and Dutch people always get along great with Scandinavians ;) Also a good thing that Norway and Scotland aren't too far away. Iceland shouldn't pose a problem for us (in the first game (which was yesterday) we beat them 2-0 but I know it will be tougher to play in Iceland, but still we should win). Macedonia, like every East European country, is very difficult to beat at home but fortunately we managed to do that already in our first game. I like the fact that there are only 5 teams in this group, it means we have to play 2 games less (which would've been against a European dwarf anyway, you can only lose in those games because if you win, it is expected and if you draw or lose it is a disgrace). Things are looking good for us so far, if we win our next game against Norway and Macedonia - Iceland ends up in a draw, we are already halfway there :) The standings would look like this:

1. Netherlands (3 - 9)
2. Scotland (3 - 4)
3. Macedonia (3 - 4)
4. Norway (3 - 2)
5. Iceland (4 - 2)

But that's in an ideal situation of course. In the end I hope Holland finishes first and Scotland second and wins the play-offs.

This was my looooong message :D I hope to god that that situation happens on Wednesday. I think we as Scotland fans have to hope that Holland beat everyone else expect from us from now on. We just then have to do the business against everyone else.

Trust me if we have to beat you guys at Hampden in the last game, the fans will be electric it will be amazing.

[DC92]

I've looked into the other groups in quite a bit of detail and it looks and 14 points & 2nd spot should be enough for a play-off spot imo. Group 3 is the most likely runner-up to drop out having looked at it in detail. But I reckon we should also finish ahead of the Groups 5, 7 and 8 runners-up as well if we get 14 points. It would be very unlcuky to miss out with 14 points.

[Dude0681]

I've looked into the other groups in quite a bit of detail and it looks and 14 points & 2nd spot should be enough for a play-off spot imo. Group 3 is the most likely runner-up to drop out having looked at it in detail. But I reckon we should also finish ahead of the Groups 5, 7 and 8 runners-up as well if we get 14 points. It would be very unlcuky to miss out with 14 points.

Have to agree - 14 points should be enough
Can't afford any more slip-ups and need to beat holland

[LindavG]

Have to agree - 14 points should be enough
Can't afford any more slip-ups and need to beat holland

Honestly, I think you have a good chance of beating us. Somehow Oranje always does exactly the opposite of what is expected. No one thought we would make it past the Euro group stages but we beat Italy and France with big numbers. Then everyone thought Russia would be a piece of cake but we lost to them big time! So I don't just assume anything anymore. Realistically, we are the better team but in football anything is possible! :)

[ReMad]

Norway vs Netherlands

Wednesday October 15, 2008

Gp.9



Pre-Match Video

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GOALS

1st goal for Holland by v.Bommel 63'
Click Here Video (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/2377985)


EXTRAS

The only chance in 1st half by Ibrahim Afellay (45+1)'
Click Here for Video (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2377955)

John Carew shot 55'
Click Here for Video (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2377965)

Shot hits the crossbar by Kuyt 62'
Click Here for Video (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2377982)

[Andygers]

Wednesday 15th October

Results

Norway 0-1 Holland
Iceland 1-0 Macedonia

Table


1. Holland Pld 3 Pts 9
----------------------
2. Scotland Pld 3 Pts 4
----------------------
3. Iceland Pld 4 Pts 4
4. Macedonia Pld 3 Pts 3
5. Norway Pld 3 Pts 2

Good night for us :)

[LindavG]

I was hoping for a draw between Macedonia and Iceland, but a win for Iceland is even better :D And I'm glad we won too, maybe not a big win but a decent one :)

[Andygers]

I was hoping for a draw between Macedonia and Iceland, but a win for Iceland is even better :D And I'm glad we won too, maybe not a big win but a decent one :) Holland have now made a mistake.

You have given Scotland a chance, and you don't want to see us when we have a chance...:evil:

I say next game Holland 0-1 Scotland.

[Gunner]

I cant see you beating Holland or even getting a draw. Maybe if you had Rooney and Torres up front, but thats not the case, so no.

:lol:

[Andygers]

I cant see you beating Holland or even getting a draw. Maybe if you had Rooney and Torres up front, but thats not the case, so no.

:lol: Can I remind you of France home and away. It seems every time we end up getting in a mess (ie managers, players leaving ect.) we win against a major team.

[Gunner]

Yeah, i just cant see Scotland pulling that off again.

[Andygers]

Yeah, i just cant see Scotland pulling that off again. You never know my friend.

[Saraj Fanatico]

WOW! I just saw the standings in this group, all I gotta say is I believe that Scotland is going to South Africa. Norway was the biggest challenge to Scotland and they are out of the way now. And then Iceland beating Macedonia gives the Scott another reason to be happy. Scotland just needs to keep steady at home which they will be in the next fixtures and they will be in. The key is Norway slipping.

[LindavG]

Holland have now made a mistake.

You have given Scotland a chance, and you don't want to see us when we have a chance...:evil:

I say next game Holland 0-1 Scotland.

And why have we made a mistake then? With this win (and Iceland's one) we might already be qualified when we play against you in Scotland. That's the only match I really feel like we could lose. When you come here I think we've got a 60/40 chance to win.

But anyway, Dutch people never play tactical games like that. We just want to win and focus on our own strength. Just like in the Euros where everyone thought we would lose to Romania on purpose to prevent Italy from going to the QF. But I just knew we wouldn't and we beat them 2-0. If by our "mistake" Scotland manages to qualify then good for them :)

[Andygers]

WOW! I just saw the standings in this group, all I gotta say is I believe that Scotland is going to South Africa. Norway was the biggest challenge to Scotland and they are out of the way now. And then Iceland beating Macedonia gives the Scott another reason to be happy. Scotland just needs to keep steady at home which they will be in the next fixtures and they will be in. The key is Norway slipping. Yeah just look at the renaming fixtures (along with my guesses)...

Saturday 28th March

Holland 1-0 Scotland

Wednesday 1st April

Holland 3-0 Macedonia
Scotland 2-0 Iceland

Saturday 6th June

Macedonia 2-1 Norway
Iceland 0-1 Holland

Wednesday 10th June

Macedonia 1-0 Iceland
Holland 3-1 Norway

Wednesday 19th August

Norway 0-2 Scotland

Saturday 5th September

Scotland 2-0 Macedonia
Iceland 2-2 Norway

Wednesday 9th September

Scotland 3-2 Holland
Norway 1-0 Macedonia


Final Table

1. Holland (8 - 21)
--------------------
2. Scotland (8 - 16)
--------------------
3. Macedonia (8 - 9)
4. Norway (8 - 5)
5. Iceland (8- 5)

Thats what I hope and pray for.

[Andygers]

And why have we made a mistake then? With this win (and Iceland's one) we might already be qualified when we play against you in Scotland. That's the only match I really feel like we could lose. When you come here I think we've got a 60/40 chance to win.

But anyway, Dutch people never play tactical games like that. We just want to win and focus on our own strength. Just like in the Euros where everyone thought we would lose to Romania on purpose to prevent Italy from going to the QF. But I just knew we wouldn't and we beat them 2-0. If by our "mistake" Scotland manages to qualify then good for them :) I was joking btw when I said it was a mistake.

I meant because you have given us a chance we might just beat you, it was a joke.

[LindavG]

I was joking btw when I said it was a mistake.

I meant because you have given us a chance we might just beat you, it was a joke.

Oh ok, I need to find a sense of humour then :lol:

I thought you were being semi-serious because many people said we made a mistake when we beat Romania. I think you have a very good chance of beating us in Scotland, it's always difficult to beat you guys at home and since our great goalkeeper Van der Sar (he played his last game for us today!) has retired I'm not too confident about keeping a clean sheet either. However, when it comes to individual quality our team is the better one so we should be able to beat you guys in Amsterdam.

[Andygers]

I think we can qualify now, after Saturday I was doubting it but when those results came in on Wednesday I regained hope.

COME ON SCOTLAND!!!

[stuglue]

[Netherlands]Netherlands 3 3 0 0 5 1 9
[Scotland] Scotland 3 1 1 1 2 2 4
[Iceland] Iceland 4 1 1 2 4 6 4
[Macedonia FYR] Macedonia 3 1 0 2 2 3 3
[Norway] Norway 3 0 2 1 2 3 2

[wales]

well looks clear now that holland will sweep this group with ease, whos to say they wont win all their games.

[DC92]

well looks clear now that holland will sweep this group with ease, whos to say they wont win all their games.

It's possible, but I think we'll get at least a draw against them at Hampden. They'll have qualified long before then.

[wales]

yeah, im not doubting you'll get something at hampden

[Andygers]

Teams-----Pld---W----D---- L---- GF--- GA--- Pts

Netherlands -5----5---- 0-----0----12----1----15
__________________________________________
Scotland---5-----2---- 1-----2----4-----6-----7
__________________________________________
Iceland----5-----1----1-----3-----5----8-----4

Macedonia--4----1----0-----3-----2----7-----3

Norway----3-----0----2-----1-----2----3-----2

Come on Scotland :thumbsup:

[NB-MVP]

Norway in last place?? LOL

[LindavG]

Norway in last place?? LOL

Yeah it's weird. One day they beat Germany (recent friendly), the other day they draw Iceland :dontcare:

[Andygers]

Norway in last place?? LOL Well they have played a game less than Macedonia and two less than us and Iceland.

[oranjekloten]

Woa I was reading through this forum and I was amazed by all the comments. How could you guys speak of The Netherlands as something else than the team that would totally dominate this group? All the other teams in this group are (forgive me) rather weak and The Netherlands is third ranked team in the world. I know that ranking doesn't say it all but if you look at it objectively you would know that there are no serious contestors for first place in this group. Anyway, nice matches until now.

Btw, NB-Legenda, what does it matter that Norway is lowest team? Any of Iceland Scotland Norway and Macedonia could be 5th in this group, no big differences between those.

[Mupy9391]

2nd place for this group will be a fight between Norway and Scotland. Everyone talking shit about Norway? They drew scotland, lost 1-0 to netherlands and tied iceland.. which is the only surprise... they only had 3 games.. to catch up to the rest they need to play 2 more games.. wins would assure them 2nd spot. Dont count Norway out.

[LindavG]

Damn this thread needs updating :lol: Right now Scotland is the only team from our group that can still qualify for the World Cup. Norway could finish 2nd too but then they'd probably be the worst second placed team. How do you reckon your chances, Andy (or other Scottish fans that read this)?

The table looks like this atm:

1. Netherlands 7 7 0 0 21 16-2
2. Scotland 5 2 1 2 7 4-6
3. Macedonia 6 2 1 3 7 4-7
4. Iceland 7 1 1 5 4 6-12
5. Norway 5 0 3 2 3 2-5

The upcoming fixtures are:

Wednesday August 12
Norway - Scotland

Saturday September 5
Iceland - Norway
Scotland - Macedonia

Wednesday September 9
Norway - Macedonia
Scotland - Netherlands

[Andygers]

Damn this thread needs updating :lol: Right now Scotland is the only team from our group that can still qualify for the World Cup. Norway could finish 2nd too but then they'd probably be the worst second placed team. How do you reckon your chances, Andy (or other Scottish fans that read this)?

The table looks like this atm:

1. Netherlands 7 7 0 0 21 16-2
2. Scotland 5 2 1 2 7 4-6
3. Macedonia 6 2 1 3 7 4-7
4. Iceland 7 1 1 5 4 6-12
5. Norway 5 0 3 2 3 2-5

The upcoming fixtures are:

Wednesday August 12
Norway - Scotland

Saturday September 5
Iceland - Norway
Scotland - Macedonia

Wednesday September 9
Norway - Macedonia
Scotland - Netherlands The way I see it if we take 9 out of 9 points we will be there, 7 out of 9 will be borderline and 6 or less out out of 9 then we will be out.

Its that close but to be honest our last two games have given me encouragement for these three games.

[Andygers]

Scotland are hopeless. Burley is clueless. That is why we won't qualify for the World Cup.

Getting beaten 2-0 at half time against Norway and we have ten men :boo: :(

[Andygers]

We are a F***in joke. I hope that muppet burley is out of here by tomorrow or else we will become a bigger embarrassment than under berti volts!!!

AAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHH!

GTFO Burley!

[Andygers]

A disaster of a night all round.

I think Scotland should hang tough and stick with Burley until WC 2010 qualifying is over. Even if we qualify (highly questionable) still sack the MF after! It is just the wrong time for change. Too risky! I don't think it is too risky, watching that performance Ive basically given up on qualification. Even if we do manage to get to the play offs theres no chance we are going through under him.

The sooner Burley goes, the better for all concerned.

[LindavG]

Norway 4-0 Scotland :shocked:

The other results of group 9 in friendly games:

FYR Macedonia 2-3 Spain
Holland 2-2 England
Iceland 1-1 Slovakia

[LindavG]

I think the nr 2 of group 9 will be worst second placed and won't qualify at all..

[Željin Zmaj]

I'm glad there's another team out there that experienced embarrassment so I won't feel lonely, :deadhorse:

[Cole Train]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pDG7t6rkoA

Jana's watermelons are huge, what do you think?

[wales]

Disaster, your as bad as we are lol, do you think the runner up in this group will even make the play-offs?

[Cro_Sensation]

It's prob going to be group 9 with the worst placed runners-up.

The last matches are.

Scotland - Macedonia
Iceland - Norway

Norway - Macedonia
Scotland - Neatherlands

---------------

Norway - Scotland - Macedonia are all gunning for 2th place, they'll be taking points away from each other...and I don't think the Dutch will take it easy on Scotland for the last match.

[Cro_Sensation]

With a miracle you guys can... Since Iceland is the worst team, Norway already loses points since beating the last placed team doesn't count...

I think Norway is screwed personally.

You guys have a small chance if you beat Macedonia and Holland.

Northern Ireland is the next worst placed 2nd team, and they have one hell of a last few matches to go. Including Poland, Slovakia and Czech Republic.

Hungary also has a tough road which includes Portugal twice, Sweden once, and Denmark...

You guys still have a chance.. you just have to beat your next 2 teams.

[LindavG]

With a miracle you guys can... Since Iceland is the worst team, Norway already loses points since beating the last placed team doesn't count...

I think Norway is screwed personally.

You guys have a small chance if you beat Macedonia and Holland.

Northern Ireland is the next worst placed 2nd team, and they have one hell of a last few matches to go. Including Poland, Slovakia and Czech Republic.

Hungary also has a tough road which includes Portugal twice, Sweden once, and Denmark...

You guys still have a chance.. you just have to beat your next 2 teams.

This doesn't go for group 9 because there are only 5 teams in this group. The worst second placed team will almost certainly come from group 9.

[LindavG]

C'mon man! Let's be realistic here. We ain't getting Jacksh1t from Holland.

If we play as bad as we did yesterday then you might :dontcare: We were 2-0 up against England but gave it away in the second half and the game ended in a 2-2 draw. That was at home. If we play you away and Scotland HAS TO win then I don't see why you couldn't draw/beat us, there's not much at stake for us anyway.

[Andygers]

If we play as bad as we did yesterday then you might :dontcare: We were 2-0 up against England but gave it away in the second half and the game ended in a 2-2 draw. That was at home. If we play you away and Scotland HAS TO win then I don't see why you couldn't draw/beat us, there's not much at stake for us anyway. I will list reasons why we will not win against Holland:

- You drew 2-2 with England in a friendly, we got gubbed 4-0 (going on 9-0) in a qualifier.

- Holland are going for a record of the the only team to win every group stage game.

- Burley is hopeless and hasn't been sacked yet. The man couldn't pick a bunch of flowers nevermind a team!

- We have dropped our best players, despite what they did Barry Ferguson and Allan McGregor are a lot better than most of the players currently playing. Then theres the Boyd situation, don't even get me started on that :boo:

- We dropped Davie Weir, the most experienced defenders we have and in place put Steven Caldwell who hasn't played for Scotland in 5 years.

I could go on but it is obvious that it is going to take a miracle to win this game nevermind reach the play offs.

[BavarianRed]

Andy you summarized it pretty dam well, your dream of reaching South Africa is pretty much over after get spanked 4-0 by the Norwegians, if you won the game against them you would of had a chance now but it will be a lot tougher since i read that the 2nd lowest seed is automatically eliminated no matter what happens. Tough luck man, against Holland I doubt your going to win..

[LindavG]

I watched that game. A game of two very contrasting halves. England made two basic mistakes in the first half and were punished. Holland played the better stuff. Then after the break England upped their game and Holland sat on theirs. Two strong teams.

It could be possible for Scotland to win this game maybe once in every ten. However, look at Burley's record. Look at some of his big calls. HORRENDOUS! Heck I can't see us beating Macedonia. :sad:

Two strong teams indeed, but it was a disappointing game imo cause both teams didn't play as well as they could. In the first half the English defense made some foolish mistakes and it cost them twice, in the second half Holland was sloppy and allowed England to come back. Both were equal, the stats were 50/50 ball posession and both 6 shots on goal but still I think Holland should've won cause we played at home. But somehow games between England and Holland always end in a draw, these are the results of four consecutive games between E. & H.: 1-1, 1-1, 0-0, 2-2 :p

However I think if Scotland manages to come back to their usual level, they are a very hard team to beat at home as we've seen in the Euro 2008 qualifiers. And since this is a game Scotland MUST win and there's nothing at stake for us, it is certainly possible for Scotland to draw or even beat us. Never say never. But even if you end 2nd it probably won't be enough cause you'll be worst 2nd placed :worried:

[Željin Zmaj]

Macedonia isn't really good on paper but as a team.. they revolve around 2 or 3 leader players such as Pandev. This is a very effective strategy.. that's how Hoffenheim got at the top of the Bundesliga at some point. Macedonia almost beat Spain :schocked:

But of course Ireland is much better than Macedonia and should beat them

[Andygers]

Does Ireland need to beat Macedonia? No its because you have "IRELAND" plastered across your sig and yet refer to Scotland as we.

So he must assume that it is Ireland playing Macedonia.

[Željin Zmaj]

oh ireland is in italys group then haha nvm

[Željin Zmaj]

:lol:

ever met Andygers yet?? he hates Celtic with a passion :D

[Andygers]

Yup. He frickin hates me with a passion.

It must be my sig. :lol: No its because you are a constant troll, who is pretending to be a Celtic fan despite having so many holes in your disguise.

[stuglue]

Good victory against a tough team yesterday for Scotland. Very fortuitous that Iceland drew against Norway. Holland however will be a much tougher team

[Andygers]

Good victory against a tough team yesterday for Scotland. Very fortuitous that Iceland drew against Norway. Holland however will be a much tougher team I think the best we can hope for on Wednesday is a draw, lets hope we at least bow out with a good performance.

[stuglue]

I watched the match yesterday. First half Macedonia frustrated Scotland. 2nd half was much better. Holland don't have anything to play for this wednesday but im sure the second string players will want to impress the coach.

[wales]

do scotland have to win to have a chance of the play-offs?

[Andygers]

do scotland have to win to have a chance of the play-offs? Yep :worried:

[wales]

unlucky what a chance for Scotland in an easy group.

[LindavG]

I couldn't see the game unfortunately but I see Holland won and Scotland finished 3rd, so sorry for them :( I would have loved Scotland at the World Cup, I think their fans and the footballing atmosphere there is just amazing. They should have made it from this group but they gave it away in the early stages of the WCQ I guess :( I heard they were alright against us and we weren't too impressing.. if only Scotland had scored 1 goal, that would have been enough to surpass Norway :(

[wales]

this group doesnt deserve a play-off place tbh.