Group 5

[Saraj Fanatico]

Group 5:

Spain
Turkey
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Armenia
Estonia



Thoughts? Are you happy with the draw your nation got? What will be the exciting match up in this one? What are your teams chances of making it? Share your thoughts!

[COMEGATOS]

Ohhh Sinan willl be happy....

Here will be Spain Turkey...no doubt

[Andygers]

Bosnia already defeated Turkey and Spain are not the best team in the world, so you guys have a decent chance

[Saraj Fanatico]

We defeated all teams in this group except Spain (Which we mainly drew with) and Armenia which we never played with.

I am most happy to see Belgium with us, last time I had a blast when we played them in Zenica! One of our best performances to date.

[Italianduke]

Spain first
Turkey runner up
Maybe Belgium might surprise

[Andygers]

^ I'm behind Bosnia in this group ;) You will beat Belgium!!!!

[FK SARAJEVO]

i think this is how it will end

1. Turkey
2. Spain (maybe Bosnia)

[Sema]

^ Nah, Turkey won't get first.

I think Spain will take first, with Turkey in second. Bosnia and Belgium will fight for third. I don't see us making it this time either, =\.

[Bigpappys_gun]

How can Bosnia qualify when half of their fans want Turkey to qualify??

[Andygers]

^ They can come second and go through in a play-off :)

[Fkilic]

you heard it hear first
Turkey
Spain
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Belgium
Armenia
Estonia

Thats how its going to end


PS do we play each team twice?

[Galletti7]

Yes, every team plays each other twice.

I think that Spain will go first, they are better than Turkey, who will go second in the playoffs.

[Andygers]

^ Nah I think it will go like this

Turkey
Spain
Bosnia
Belgium
Armenia
Estonia

[Fenerliyim]

if i know anything, its that turkey will be 2nd place and our fate will rely on the last game of the qualifiers

Here are our results from prior qualifiers in the last 12 years.

Euro 1996: 2nd
Euro 2000: 2nd
World Cup 2002: 2nd
Euro 2004: 2nd
World Cup 2006: 2nd
Euro 2008: 2nd

if theres something we're good at its coming 2nd.

[FK SARAJEVO]

How can Bosnia qualify when half of their fans want Turkey to qualify??

We support Bosnia first, and if we're out, then we support Turkey.

but ideally im sure bosnian and turks would want Bosnia and Turkey to qualify from this group.

[wales]

Bosnia are a dangerous team.

Wales 2-2 Bosnia, Feb 2003.

[wales]

They have a reasonable chance of the play-offs.

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

i really wanted to see Germany in our group or some big team like that coming to Kosevo
but this is not bad.. time to prove that what we did in Zenica against Belgium was no fluke and this is our chance to get revenge for that BS 1:1 draw with Spain.. it will be good to see us get teams that we already have experience with and i dont see ourselves losing to Armenia or Estonia which we would lose points because of losses or draws.. that wont happen!

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

i am just warning each one of you
dont be surprised if bosnia qualifies.. if we get our A-Team back and we adjust some things with our Savez and get a new coach.. we will be a force to be wreckened with...
if we get to a good start, i dont see us slowing down anytime soon even if its against Turkey, Spain or Belgium!

[Fenerliyim]

Not as easy as Greece's but yea I'm happy with this group. Spain are underachievers so i think Turkey can beat them, Turkey tends to play better against stronger teams like Brazil or Italy than teams like Malta or Moldova.

Bosnia's full of suprises, they have speed and talent, but they have problems with their FA and Boycotts so i dno wat will happen with them.

Belgium is young and they performed pretty well in the ECQ, they'll be a hard team to vs but i dont expect a loss against them.

Armenia- lets just hope these games wont cancled but i think we are much more talented then them but they aint pushovers like San Marino.

Estonia are just Estonia

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

do you think there will be riots and fights in the

Armenia - Turkey match

[stuglue]

I think this is a pretty even group,Turkey are on the up since being on the slide after 2002,if they can get a consist squad of regular first team players i think they will have something to build on,in the last 2-3 years they haven't had a settled line up and its cost them.
Northern Ireland proved that if you attack Spain and don't give them time to pick out passes they can be unsettled,they have plenty of talent but ALWAYS lack the killer instinct.
Bosnia,here's a team that have over the last 4-5 years really come on in European football.2004 and 2006 saw them come desperately close to qualifying,i just hope that thedisappointment of falling at the final hurdle for Euro2008 doesn't put them back,does Salihamidzic and Barbarez still play for the NT?
As for Belgium,well they'll have to stick to reminiscing over how good they were in the 80's because they are stagnant now and i think they will end up 4th in the table.

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

I think this is a pretty even group,Turkey are on the up since being on the slide after 2002,if they can get a consist squad of regular first team players i think they will have something to build on,in the last 2-3 years they haven't had a settled line up and its cost them.
Northern Ireland proved that if you attack Spain and don't give them time to pick out passes they can be unsettled,they have plenty of talent but ALWAYS lack the killer instinct.
Bosnia,here's a team that have over the last 4-5 years really come on in European football.2004 and 2006 saw them come desperately close to qualifying,i just hope that thedisappointment of falling at the final hurdle for Euro2008 doesn't put them back,does Salihamidzic and Barbarez still play for the NT?As for Belgium,well they'll have to stick to reminiscing over how good they were in the 80's because they are stagnant now and i think they will end up 4th in the table.

salihamidzic quit because he says he has "stomach problems when he plays" but that means he is sick and tired of our FA and doesnt want to play and Barbarez quit because he is too old.. but a few articles have said that he and others are planning to come back because of the boycott.

[stuglue]

salihamidzic quit because he says he has "stomach problems when he plays" but that means he is sick and tired of our FA and doesnt want to play and Barbarez quit because he is too old.. but a few articles have said that he and others are planning to come back because of the boycott.
So who are the players to watch out for?

[GalapagosaraY]

i think this group will be close, Armenia can grab some points and except from estonia all the other teams are pretty inconsistent.

Plus theres not that many matches to screw up anymore maybe only 1 defeat is enuff, also turkey and spain are very slow to realize the importance of early matches and might slip up early in the tournament.

Belgium have been playing a bunch of young players in the last 2 qualifiers or so which is consisting of players from great clubs and now they have alot more experience than the recent matches plus they have alot of physically strong and tall players. And armenia will play furiously against a team like turkey :)

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

So who are the players to watch out for?

currently our players are boycotting and we are playing with our B-Team basically..
the people to watch out for currently are Misimovic (he is the heart of our team.. most of the assists and passing goes through him), Muslimovic (one of our best strikers.. he scored like almost every game for us when he played) and Dzeko (really talented youngster who is dangerous when he is up front and because of his height he is dangerous on headers.. but he usually makes assists and plays well with Muslimovic up front)

when our A-Team players come back :
Bajramovic (Schalke), Papac (Rangers), Barbarez (Leverkusen), hopefully one day Salihamidzic (Juventus), Spahic (Moscow) we will be much better as a team and will have a much more experienced team!

[Saraj Fanatico]

If BiH gathers up the parts that fell apart because of the BS FA we will qualify I believe. Co'mon, our B-Team has managed to top 3 other teams in the EQ08 group we were in, now imagine our former players joining them!


I want Spain out! We will never forget that night in Mestalla! Not ever! :mad2:

[Lusankya]

I'm sure Spain will reach the first place. The last games in euro 08 qualifiers were just amazing, in current form neither Turkey nor Bosnia can beat Spain.

[stuglue]

I want Spain out! We will never forget that night in Mestalla! Not ever!
I remember that,was it something like 5 minutes of extra time? Very poor

[Saraj Fanatico]

But before we speak about our former team and new team combining we have another match in our hands..

http://www.sport.co.ba/uplImages/bihFra7.jpg

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

I remember that,was it something like 5 minutes of extra time? Very poor

it was more like 9 or 10

[Fenerliyim]

do you think there will be riots and fights in the

Armenia - Turkey match

no i doubt it, our U21s play them nothing happens except beating em 3-0 or watever.

As much as most people think, we dont attack each other when ever we see an armenian or or an armenian sees a turk.

There is a huge minority of armenians in Istanbul and we have no problem.

[Saraj Fanatico]

I remember that,was it something like 5 minutes of extra time? Very poor


9 minutes mate. And that is with 2 Bosnian players red carded. :lol: Such a BS fix up.

[stuglue]

Yes it was,i remember now,had you have won it would have put you in pole position and those 2 points made all the difference in the end.
I wish you well and hope you beat 'em this time

[el Turco]

We're gonna play against Armenia.

Yessss! :ronaldo:

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

^ and we are going to play against Turkey
now to get some sweet revenge for that 1:0 loss in Istanbul :)

[el Turco]

To be honest, I dont like when Turkey plays against Bosnia.

I always feel bad when we beat them. :sad: :D

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

To be honest, I dont like when Turkey plays against Bosnia.

I always feel bad when we beat them. :sad: :D

you mean you felt bad after beating us for the first time! :p

[Saraj Fanatico]

Yes it was,i remember now,had you have won it would have put you in pole position and those 2 points made all the difference in the end.
I wish you well and hope you beat 'em this time


Thanks a lot bro.

[Saraj Fanatico]

To be honest, I dont like when Turkey plays against Bosnia.

I always feel bad when we beat them. :sad: :D


Always beat us?? You only beat us once in your history. If anything we can say that we feel bad for you. :)

[Fenerliyim]

y u guys think u won the other times? we feel bad for u guys so we lose.

we only won last time cause we had no other choice.

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

ahah i can feel tension growing here..

[Fenerliyim]

its wat big bros do for their little bros

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

i really hope that we can all get along after the WC Qualifying Group
i predict 1 more Bosnian win over Turkey and we will not be welcomed at all in Istanbul aha

[Andygers]

lol Turkey will let Bosnia win in one game and vice versa :)

I wish we had a team like that.

[Lusitânia Power]

this will be a 4 way race, I bet on that, because Spain always do something wrong in qualification, Turkey got a taste for the 2nd place, Belgium and Bosnia, I think they are getting stronger by the years...(I could be wrong, but let's see...)

[Saraj Fanatico]

y u guys think u won the other times? we feel bad for u guys so we lose.

we only won last time cause we had no other choice.


hahah you let us win. Right. So thats why the entire Turkish team except maybe 2 players didn't even want to look at our guys in the eye after we won? :lol: Get real, Turkey never let us defeat them. We did it through better football on those certain dates.

[Saraj Fanatico]

lol Turkey will let Bosnia win in one game and vice versa :)

I wish we had a team like that.

Nope, they won't, chances of that are nonexistent. And we won't let them win also.

[Pape]

Bosnia should have qualified ahead of Spain for WC 2006, the whole world knows that. Bosnia is undefeated against Turkey if you take away the last bullshit match last week. I don't see how you can't put Bosnia as the favorites for this group. Really though I can't wait till BiH pays back Spain for WC 2006 and you are foolish to think that Turkey football is superior over BiH...

I have never met a person in the Balkans that wasn't born with a winner attitude!!

[Fkilic]

^ Nah I think it will go like this

Turkey
Spain
Bosnia
Belgium
Armenia
Estonia


you coulda just agreed with me i said the same thing three post ago

[Fkilic]

do you think there will be riots and fights in the

Armenia - Turkey match


ohh hell yeah

[Fenerliyim]

hahah you let us win. Right. So thats why the entire Turkish team except maybe 2 players didn't even want to look at our guys in the eye after we won? :lol: Get real, Turkey never let us defeat them. We did it through better football on those certain dates.

we looked like we were pissed so u'd think u really beat us, cant let our lil bro catch on.

i really hope Turkey vs. Bosnia is our last game.

[Pape]

Why are you downgrading Bosnia by calling it your "lil bro" and telling us we can't "catch on"

What do you have to say this? 2 world cup appearances? 1954 and 2002 and 3 Euro appearances all which have been in the last 10 years?

I would say more that Turkey is catching up to Bosnias football who under Yugoslavia competed in 8 World Cups and 4 Euros until 1991 at a time when all Turkey had was 1 World Cup appearance...

[Fkilic]

http://fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/compare/compareteams.html#g=m&t1=TUR&t2=BIH&t3=&t4=&fm=8&fy=1993&tm=11&ty=2007


Compares Bosnia's stats vs Turkey's in terms of rankings since rankings have been established so look there and it shows that Bosnia was never any better then Turkey

[Fenerliyim]

Why are you downgrading Bosnia by calling it your "lil bro" and telling us we can't "catch on"

What do you have to say this? 2 world cup appearances? 1954 and 2002 and 3 Euro appearances all which have been in the last 10 years?

I would say more that Turkey is catching up to Bosnias football who under Yugoslavia competed in 8 World Cups and 4 Euros until 1991 at a time when all Turkey had was 1 World Cup appearance...

there our lil bro cause their 50x smaller than Turkey.

and using yugoslavia statistics to prove bosnia is better than us is ridicoulous, yugoslavia was like a balkan all star team, its not like bosnians made up the whole damn team

[zeppos]

I'm Belgian, so I will give you some information about the Belgian squad. I'll try to be as objective as possible. I'm convinced that we are building the strongest Belgian squad EVER. I have never seen as much talent in Belgium as today. However, we also lack a great deal of experience. Most of our players are 19-20-21 years old. Therefore I believe our chances on qualification will depend on one thing: will talent beat experience? Honestly I believe we will be needing both. Our national team is so young, that you will see the same team at the Olympics!

Our talents:
Vincent Kompany (21) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os--Gt0s0aQ)
Moussa Dembélé (20) and Kevin Mirallas (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTy_GbGEzw)
Vadis Odjidja (18) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8_pwYX_K4o)
Marouane Fellaini (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2HEEGSGePA)
Eden Hazard (17) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzm29zgeDFM)
Anthony Vanden Borre (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4sDpC5pW4o)
Tom De Mul (21), Kevin Mirallas (20) and Sébastien Pocognoli (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUt5qvJySgE)
Steven Defour (19) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QEN0PxtYE)
Maarten Martens (23) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM8DpkdPRm8)

Best Belgian players are:
Silvio Proto (24, GK, Anderlecht),
Stijn Stijnen (26, GK, Club Brugge),
Logan Bailly (22, GK, Racing Genk),
Yves Makabu-Makalambay (21, GK, Hibernian).

Vincent Kompany (21, DCM, CB, Hamburg HSV),
Anthony Vanden Borre (20, RM, RB, Fiorentina),
Thomas Vermaelen (22, LCB, Ajax Amsterdam),
Daniël Van Buyten (29, CB, Bayern München),
Nicolas Lombaerts (22, LCB, FK Zenit),
Jan Vertonghen (20, LCB, LCM, Ajax Amsterdam),
Timmy Simons (31, DCM, CB, PSV Eindhoven),
Sébastien Pocognoli (20, LB, LM, AZ Alkmaar),
Vadis Ofoe Odjidja (18, DCM, CB, Anderlecht --> transfer to Hamburg HSV),
Gill Swerts (25, RB, LB, RM, LM, DCM, CB, Vitesse Arnhem).

Jonathan Blondel (23, LB, LM, LA, Club Brugge),
Marouane Fellaini (20, DCM, Standard Liège),
Eden Hazard (17, AMRLC, Lille OSC),
Steven Defour (19, AMRLC, Standard Liège),
Maarten Martens (23, AMLC, AZ Alkmaar),
Axel Witsel (18, AMLRC, DMC, Standard Liège),
Tom De Mul (21, RM, RA, FC Sevilla),
Gabi Mudingayi (26, DMC, Lazio Roma).

Kevin Mirallas (20, LCA, Lille OSC),
Moussa Dembélé (20, CA, AMC, AZ Alkmaar),
Wesley Sonck (29, CA, Club Brugge),
Thomas Buffel (26, CA, AMRLC, Glasgow Rangers),
Emile Mpenza (29, CA, Manchester City),
Mohammed Tchité (24, CA, Racing Santander).

[el Turco]

Anyways,

I know it almost impossible but hopefully Turkey and Bosnia qualify together.

[Saraj Fanatico]

we looked like we were pissed so u'd think u really beat us, cant let our lil bro catch on.

i really hope Turkey vs. Bosnia is our last game.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh please think about what your saying! So why did the Turks refuse to show sportsmanship by passing us the ball back after one of our guys got hurt by a fouled and we had to kick it out? Just admit it, BiH won the match against a fully determined Turkey. :)

[Saraj Fanatico]

I am not going to say BiH is much better then Turkey but what people have to understand is that Turkey isn't that much ahead of us also. And anyone can be defeated by anyone, especially in Europe!

[Saraj Fanatico]

I'm Belgian, so I will give you some information about the Belgian squad. I'll try to be as objective as possible. I'm convinced that we are building the strongest Belgian squad EVER. I have never seen as much talent in Belgium as today. However, we also lack a great deal of experience. Most of our players are 19-20-21 years old. Therefore I believe our chances on qualification will depend on one thing: will talent beat experience? Honestly I believe we will be needing both. Our national team is so young, that you will see the same team at the Olympics!

Our talents:
Vincent Kompany (21) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os--Gt0s0aQ)
Moussa Dembélé (20) and Kevin Mirallas (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTy_GbGEzw)
Vadis Odjidja (18) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8_pwYX_K4o)
Marouane Fellaini (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2HEEGSGePA)
Eden Hazard (17) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzm29zgeDFM)
Anthony Vanden Borre (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4sDpC5pW4o)
Tom De Mul (21), Kevin Mirallas (20) and Sébastien Pocognoli (20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUt5qvJySgE)
Steven Defour (19) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QEN0PxtYE)
Maarten Martens (23) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM8DpkdPRm8)

Best Belgian players are:
Silvio Proto (24, GK, Anderlecht), Stijn Stijnen (26, GK, Club Brugge), Logan Bailly (22, GK, Racing Genk), Yves Makabu-Makalambay (21, GK, Hibernian).

Vincent Kompany (21, DCM, CB, Hamburg HSV), Anthony Vanden Borre (20, RM, RB, Fiorentina), Thomas Vermaelen (22, LCB, Ajax Amsterdam), Daniël Van Buyten (29, CB, Bayern München), Nicolas Lombaerts (22, LCB, FK Zenit), Jan Vertonghen (20, LCB, LCM, Ajax Amsterdam), Timmy Simons (31, DCM, CB, PSV Eindhoven), Sébastien Pocognoli (20, LB, LM, AZ Alkmaar), Vadis Ofoe Odjidja (18, DCM, CB, Anderlecht), Gill Swerts (25, RB, LB, RM, LM, DCM, CB, Vitesse Arnhem).

Jonathan Blondel (23, LB, LM, LA, Club Brugge), Marouane Fellaini (20, DCM, Standard Liège), Eden Hazard (17, AMRLC, Lille OSC), Steven Defour (19, AMRLC, Standard Liège), Maarten Martens (23, AMLC, AZ Alkmaar), Axel Witsel (18, AMLRC, DMC, Standard Liège), Tom De Mul (21, RM, RA, FC Sevilla), Gabi Mudingayi (26, DMC, Lazio Roma).

Kevin Mirallas (20, LCA, Lille OSC), Moussa Dembélé (20, CA, AMC, AZ Alkmaar), Wesley Sonck (29, CA, Club Brugge), Thomas Buffel (26, CA, AMRLC, Glasgow Rangers), Emile Mpenza (29, CA, Manchester City).

Thanks a lot mate. A great squad indeed. You have a lot of great players there. I think Belgium will pose the biggest threat to my nation come these qualifiers. Remember back when we played for the WC06? :) That was a good series.

[Andygers]

^ look out for buffel he is a class act but sadly we fail to play him because he doesn't fit into Smith's formations.

[zeppos]

Thanks a lot mate. A great squad indeed. You have a lot of great players there. I think Belgium will pose the biggest threat to my nation come these qualifiers. Remember back when we played for the WC06? :) That was a good series.
We have great talents, but that doesn't necessarily make a great squad. My football association will probably hire a new manager, so i'm very curious who it will be. It is still a year from now when the qualifying games begin, a lot can improve or change by then. Our biggest talent (Eden Hazard) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGTSfi7xPlI) has made his debute in the French league 1 this weekend, so I'm wondering where he will be in a year, etc, etc.

But I'm looking forward to it :hungry:

[zeppos]

^ look out for buffel he is a class act but sadly we fail to play him because he doesn't fit into Smith's formations.
Well, he was injured for a long time, wasn't he? How is Makalambay doing in Scotland?

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

***kkkk.. come to think of it and by looking at the squad
Van Buyten, Kompany.. those are some dangerous names for us
this is certainly not the same Belgium that we have faced in Zenica and ofcourse we are not the same Bosna that they have faced either.. both have developed and we really have to be careful with Belgium so that the same thing doesnt happen.. we score the first goal and we assume we are going to win and then BOOM 4 goals they score!
and then spain is always dangerous in the qualifications.. Villa, Torres, Puyol..
it will be an interesting group and i will enjoy it more than the EC because we are playing better teams and hopefully we dont choke against the shitty ones!

[Andygers]

Well, he was injured for a long time, wasn't he? How is Makalambay doing in Scotland? He was injured but he came back a long time ago and hasn't seemed to fit into the team.

Makalamby is doing fine now with his team Hibs but earlier on in the season he was making game-costing mistakes.

[Saraj Fanatico]

The craziest player for Belgium for me is that smart sonuvabitch Proto who seems to save anything that comes his way.

[SiN]

Very interesting group indeed. Im glad we dont have Greece again :lol:

Spain are obviously the favourites to take first place, then Turkey. But you cannot predict anything until the games start flowing and points start racking up.

If Turkey can get a good start and win a few key games and not loose points against Armenia and Estonia we should be fine.

Spain, Bosnia and Belgium will be very hard indeed.

[Bosnian Unit]

This Group is easy.

Turkey and Belgium are not better then us at all.

Our main problem is us, wich is NSBIH( Bosnian FA).

We have never since our independence had our best players playing in our NT.

Members of NSBIH and managers of players are killing our football.

Managers of some average players would pay a lot of money to Bosnian FA just so their guy can play few games so he can sell him easier.

Since Muzurovic become coach he changed more then 50 players.That is like 7-8 games i belive.

THAT IS CRAZY :boo: !

Of course since members of FA are under influence of managers, the coach is too and if he have something against that he will have to leave like Faruk Hadzibegic 5 years ago.

Its basicly managers who works with corrupted NSBIH and coach who put players in our squad, just so their player can have some experience as a player for national team. His price will be higher !

Thats how we have Mirko Hrgovic Croatian from Split.......playing in our NT, just becouse he could not make it into Croatian NT.

More then 70% of current players in our NT dont deserve to be there.

If we fix our problem, we will have no problem with Turkey or Belgium. We would easily beat them in both games. We can at least get one point from Spain and win against Armenia and Estonia.

That is only and only if we manage to fix things in our mafia controled and corrupted NSBIH.


Dont you all see, we have managers all over the world....Ivica Osim, Amar Osim,Faruk Hadzibegic,Mehmed Bazdarevic,Dusan Bajevic,Meho Kodro,Dzemaludin Musovic etc... but they have never coached our NT, becouse they know they cant work freely and call players that deserve to be there, they know managers and members of FA will tell them you need to call up these and these players.

Faruk Hadzibegic tried......he was not there for 5-6 months and he left. Becouse he could not deal with that.

So i will say one more time..our only and only problem is NSBIH.

We have enough players to face any nation in the world....and we would probably be something likie Croatia if not better.

This could be funny now, i understand that......but if there was no corruption in our NSBIH even Zlatan Ibrahimovic would play for BIH now.

But if these assholes stays we will probably lose Miralem Pjanic (Metz), Emra Tahirovic (OFC Lille) and bunch of others who plays mostly in Western Europe and Scandinavia.

The squads of U17, U19 in Sweden,Norway,Denmark are made up by at least 50% of Bosnian immigrants who would more then everything love to be playing one day for BIH, but with this kind of FA we will most likely lose them.

In our U17, U19 are players whos father is rich and who can pay the coach so his son can play....even tough there is much talented and better kids from BIH who could play for our NT's, not to mention those who ARE GOOD FOR SWEDEN,NORWAY AND DENMARK but not for us :mad2: .

Even Zlatan Ibrahimovic was not good for us.That is for NSBIH I SHOULD SAY.

All this came down to NSBIH and managers have no interest from these kind of kids and players becouse their managers are not paying so they can play in BIH NT, and their managers are not corrupted like these pigs are.

[Fenerliyim]

lol already 5 pages

[zeppos]

This Group is easy.

Turkey and Belgium are not better then us at all.

Our main problem is us, wich is NSBIH( Bosnian FA).

We have never since our independence had our best players playing in our NT.

Members of NSBIH and managers of players are killing our football.

Managers of some average players would pay a lot of money to Bosnian FA just so their guy can play few games so he can sell him easier.

Since Muzurovic become coach he changed more then 50 players.That is like 7-8 games i belive.

THAT IS CRAZY :boo: !

Of course since members of FA are under influence of managers, the coach is too and if he have something against that he will have to leave like Faruk Hadzibegic 5 years ago.

Its basicly managers who works with corrupted NSBIH and coach who put players in our squad, just so their player can have some experience as a player for national team. His price will be higher !

Thats how we have Mirko Hrgovic Croatian from Split.......playing in our NT, just becouse he could not make it into Croatian NT.

More then 70% of current players in our NT dont deserve to be there.

If we fix our problem, we will have no problem with Turkey or Belgium. We would easily beat them in both games. We can at least get one point from Spain and win against Armenia and Estonia.

That is only and only if we manage to fix things in our mafia controled and corrupted NSBIH.


Dont you all see, we have managers all over the world....Ivica Osim, Amar Osim,Faruk Hadzibegic,Mehmed Bazdarevic,Dusan Bajevic,Meho Kodro,Dzemaludin Musovic etc... but they have never coached our NT, becouse they know they cant work freely and call players that deserve to be there, they know managers and members of FA will tell them you need to call up these and these players.

Faruk Hadzibegic tried......he was not there for 5-6 months and he left. Becouse he could not deal with that.

So i will say one more time..our only and only problem is NSBIH.

We have enough players to face any nation in the world....and we would probably be something likie Croatia if not better.

This could be funny now, i understand that......but if there was no corruption in our NSBIH even Zlatan Ibrahimovic would play for BIH now.

But if these assholes stays we will probably lose Miralem Pjanic (Metz), Emra Tahirovic (OFC Lille) and bunch of others who plays mostly in Western Europe and Scandinavia.

The squads of U17, U19 in Sweden,Norway,Denmark are made up by at least 50% of Bosnian immigrants who would more then everything love to be playing one day for BIH, but with this kind of FA we will most likely lose them.

In our U17, U19 are players whos father is rich and who can pay the coach so his son can play....even tough there is much talented and better kids from BIH who could play for our NT's, not to mention those who ARE GOOD FOR SWEDEN,NORWAY AND DENMARK but not for us :mad2: .

Even Zlatan Ibrahimovic was not good for us.That is for NSBIH I SHOULD SAY.

All this came down to NSBIH and managers have no interest from these kind of kids and players becouse their managers are not paying so they can play in BIH NT, and their managers are not corrupted like these pigs are.
Sure :rolleyes: :der: :lalala:

[Vic]

1- Spain
2- Turkey

[wales]

This is a really tough group, I wouldnt say Spain 1st for definite.

[stuglue]

Spain are there for the taking,if Bosnia approach the game intent on dictating the match rather than letting Spain take control i believe Bosnia can beat them.BIH need to remain focused for the full 90 minutes(and more!).
The problem will be that Turkey,Spain and Bosnia will all take points off each other,Spain will most likely be on a new NT manager after Euro 2008 unless he goes much sooner.

[Bosnian Unit]

Sure :rolleyes: :der: :lalala:

Im not expecting you to belive me, but that is our reality.

If you dont mind, spend few hours and check that for yourself.

In any normal country coach who dont win games would be sacked.

But in Bosnia, coach of our U19 team did never won one game but he was awarded as a coach of our U21 NT.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Our FA is the most currupt piece of shit ever. It's the center of the cancer of Corruption in the football world.

[tdr]

Bosnia are a dangerous team.

Wales 2-2 Bosnia, Feb 2003.
hehe that was a good game

[tdr]

Bosnia should have qualified ahead of Spain for WC 2006, the whole world knows that. Bosnia is undefeated against Turkey if you take away the last bullshit match last week. I don't see how you can't put Bosnia as the favorites for this group. Really though I can't wait till BiH pays back Spain for WC 2006 and you are foolish to think that Turkey football is superior over BiH...

I have never met a person in the Balkans that wasn't born with a winner attitude!!
yeah we should have made it

BiH 1:1 SPA
BiH 0:0 SER (not much of the game, serbia's keeper saved an amazing shot and a PK wasn't called for BiH at the end of the game)
BiH 1:1 LIT (Lithuania played with 10 players and kept the draw)
SPA 1:1 BiH :mad2:

[zeppos]

Im not expecting you to belive me, but that is our reality.

If you dont mind, spend few hours and check that for yourself.

In any normal country coach who dont win games would be sacked.

But in Bosnia, coach of our U19 team did never won one game but he was awarded as a coach of our U21 NT.
I believe there is corruption at you FA if you say so, but maybe your U19 team lacks talent. If your U19 team had 4 Ronaldinho's, 6 Messi's and 1 Petr Cech in it, your U19 team would win all their games, even if George W. Bush was the coach of your U19 team. All the rest are EXCUSES. Or is it also the fault of your NT managers that Elvir Baljic failed at Real Madrid and returned to Turkey where he can't impress either?

[tdr]

Elvir Baljic got injured there and had troubles with the coach - but lets not forget at his time he was the highest transfer in history of football - and that did not happen for no reason.

How many players can you name that scored 4 goals as an international in the Euro zone qualifying?

[Bosnian Unit]

I believe there is corruption at you FA if you say so, but maybe your U19 team lacks talent. If your U19 team had 4 Ronaldinho's, 6 Messi's and 1 Petr Cech in it, your U19 team would win all their games, even if George W. Bush was the coach of your U19 team. All the rest are EXCUSES. Or is it also the fault of your NT managers that Elvir Baljic failed at Real Madrid and returned to Turkey where he can't impress either?

See our U21 or A NT could of have Zlatan Ibrahimovic when he was playing in Malmo and about to move in Ajax, he was here with his father Sefik and he was beging members of our FA to see his son potential.

But our FA said we have hundreds like that across Europe !

That's the reason we dont have our best players in our teams. Players from domestic league have very powerful managers, and they pay our FA so their players can play so they can sell them easier since he plays for NT.

Not even once since our independence we had our best players playing together.

Now Miralem Pjanic a 17 year old in Metz(France) still didnt get chance to play in our U19,U21 or A NT, becouse they (FA) have no interest from Pjanic they rather have someone from domestic league whos manager will pay them.

They dont care about results of our NT, we even had president of FA who was in politics and president of one powerful political party here.

But somehow UEFA/FIFA dont care, dont want to suspend us etc..:mad2:

[Bosnian Unit]

@ zeppos

One more thing i forgot to say.

Bosnia is a country of 4+ million people but we have more managers then France or Spain for example, even China who has over 1 billion population.

That sounds unbeliveable, but its a fact and you can check that.

Dino Pasalic is one of our most known managers. He is the manager of R.Carlos, he just made a huge deal by moving him to Fenerbahce.

He was the one also who moved Elvir Baljic from Fenerbahce to R.Madrid and so many other worlds class players.

Managers and corruption in our FA who are under influence of those managers is huge, and that is the reason we never had our best players in our teams.

Basicly its like you have made it, we cant make money on you now lets try to make some money on this player etc..

Fuad Muzurovic our current coach of NT has changed more then 50 different players in 7-8 games.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ?

[zeppos]

Again, sounds like excuses to me. If you have bosnian players who play briljant at clubs like Barcelona, Arsenal, AC Milan and Bayern München, then I'm convinced they will play with your national team too. Managers or not. And another thing: Ibrahimovic was born in Malmö, was raised in Malmö and learned how to play football in Malmö. That makes him as Swedish as Henke Larsson himself. It's maybe true that his Serbian father wanted him to play for Bosnia, but the choice was for Zlatan. If he really wanted to play for Bosnia, then he would now play for Bosnia. Same like Bojan Krkic who will be playing for Spain.

[Fenerliyim]

I agree with Zeppos, we understand ur FA is corrupt, u dont have to keep repeating this.

U guys always are goin on with ur IFs this or IF that, well tough luck, ur ifs arent gonna change anything.

[tdr]

but Fenerliyim even with IFs we beat you and you bearly beat us 1:0 on our mistake

your tactic was very primitive - as soon as we got the ball you fouled to prevent our attack

not to mention the bs anouncer that kept pissing me off :D

all in all - Fenerliyim you saw both matches we played against you just like we did - and you can't say we can't beat you or you can't beat us

the qualifications are open - at least that second spot is up for the grabs

what is coming from people in BiH football is that we need change in the FA

about the next qualifications (what they are saying)
- new manager
- return of some of the players that played at the start of the qualifications
- take all 6 points from Armenia and Estonia
- we are on level with Belgium and we can deal with them
- Turkish team we already know - now who knows who better gets the points
- Spain - we take what we can get


My solution (more a wish) to all the problems and qualifications

- make Barbarez in charge of the FA (or he should be at high position where he can make things right)


Now we have problems in our football corruption, match fixing, divisions along ethnic lines etc etc - but this exists everywhere just in certain degrees (somewhere lower somwhere at higher degree). FIFA just covers it well and has rules that allow people to hide things - thus those people are protecting themselves and saving FiFA's interests (in the LR).

if this all presists we should still make a good run at it - and most likely crumble at the end or mess up in the begining - who knows maybe we make it after all

[Fenerliyim]

i've have never said Bosnia isnt talented. I've seen u guys play and i admit u guys are great but its getting annoying to see every thread with bosnia in it having 100s of posts by each bosnian member saying the exact same thing, we have a corrupt FA or Fifa/Uefa screwed us on purpose.

I'm just saying ifs dont change anything. U guys dwell on the past way too much.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Again, sounds like excuses to me. If you have bosnian players who play briljant at clubs like Barcelona, Arsenal, AC Milan and Bayern München, then I'm convinced they will play with your national team too. Managers or not. And another thing: Ibrahimovic was born in Malmö, was raised in Malmö and learned how to play football in Malmö. That makes him as Swedish as Henke Larsson himself. It's maybe true that his Serbian father wanted him to play for Bosnia, but the choice was for Zlatan. If he really wanted to play for Bosnia, then he would now play for Bosnia. Same like Bojan Krkic who will be playing for Spain.

You got it all wrong. This is not about who and who doesn't want to play for us. The players do want to play for us, but they cannot because of deep corruption. An example of this is having Papac, Bajramovic, Spahic, Barbarez, Beslija and Hasagic leave our National team after beginning of the Euro 08 run. Its not that they don't want to play, its that they simply cannot take it anymore. That is our problem.

@ Fener: Nobody is saying 'What if', we are giving you the reality, there are no 'Ifs' here. We are missing our best players and it will most likely cost us. I do know people repeat it too much but, we all love our Nation and hope of the best, thats why we talk about what the correct path would be for our National Team. The FA issue is the number 1 topic surrounding Bosnian Football right now I would say.

[Bosnian Unit]

I agree with Zeppos, we understand ur FA is corrupt, u dont have to keep repeating this.

U guys always are goin on with ur IFs this or IF that, well tough luck, ur ifs arent gonna change anything.

Again you just dont want to understand !

Doesnt mean if players are good they need to play in world class clubs.

Slovenia was on WC for example and only Zahovic was playing out of thier League. Croatian players dont play in world TOP clubs but they have beat England and won first place in their group.

We have great players but they didnt have chance to play for our NT, or they stop playing becouse they are tired of corruption and everything else what is surrounding BFA.

Just for the record:

Zlatan Bajramovic (Schalke 04)
Sergej Barbarez (Bayer Leverkuzen)
Hasan Salihamidzic (Juventus F.C.)
Sasa Papac (Glazgow Rangers)

None of these players play in our NT, but they could of been very usefull.

About Zlatan Ibrahimovic.......his father is Sefik (Bosniak-Muslim) and mother Croatian !

His first club was FK Balkan wich was made mostly by Bosnian immigrants in Sweden, then he moved to Malmo.

His favorite music is Bosnian

First he wanted to play for BIH, like i said his father was in BFA beging them to pay attention on his son, but they told him they have hundreds like that across Europe.

In FK Balkan a Bosnian was a coach, Sweden has nothing to do with his skills and talent, and SINCE WHEN DID YOU SAW SWEDISH PLAYER TALENTED LIKE THAT ?

Give me a break :smoking:

[Bosnian Unit]

Damn Fenerliyim, that comment was for zeppos:D .

[tdr]

i've have never said Bosnia isnt talented. I've seen u guys play and i admit u guys are great but its getting annoying to see every thread with bosnia in it having 100s of posts by each bosnian member saying the exact same thing, we have a corrupt FA or Fifa/Uefa screwed us on purpose.

I'm just saying ifs dont change anything. U guys dwell on the past way too much.
FiFA and Uefa know what is going on but they don't want to step in and solve the problem - we should have been banned or kicked out of Uefa long time ago.

But I see where you coming from - people do bring this up a lot - but can you blame them? (this is not just the past it is going on right now - we have some time before the qualifications start and we can hope "normalization" when it comes to BiH Football)

[Fenerliyim]

FiFA and Uefa know what is going on but they don't want to step in and solve the problem - we should have been banned or kicked out of Uefa long time ago.

But I see where you coming from - people do bring this up a lot - but can you blame them? (this is not just the past it is going on right now - we have some time before the qualifications start and we can hope "normalization" when it comes to BiH Football)

I understand u guys are upset, our tff is corrupt as well. That is y we played at Ali Sami Yen when they have one of the worst fields in Istanbul.

I'm just sayin that u guys after every loss should stop saying IF we didnt have a corrupt FA we woulda won. U can not know this even if u had ur best players that you woulda won.

U guys should just try and make the best out of wat u have now.

[tdr]

the thing is that the best people don't play - there are divisions along ethnic and religious lines - basically there are quotas on how many players from certain backgrounds can play

[FK SARAJEVO]

I understand u guys are upset, our tff is corrupt as well. That is y we played at Ali Sami Yen when they have one of the worst fields in Istanbul.

I'm just sayin that u guys after every loss should stop saying IF we didnt have a corrupt FA we woulda won. U can not know this even if u had ur best players that you woulda won.

U guys should just try and make the best out of wat u have now.

you are partially right. we do constantly get screwed by UEFA and our FA is probably the most corrupt in Europe, but its up to us to change it.

[Saraj Fanatico]

^ Not really. We tried our best. We are still trying. I think the Dayton Agreement pretty much ***ks over our chances of making this FA collapse.

[Pr0s]

Mhmm I can see that this thread is going to be the hottest for the X qualifications.
My preds: Spain
Turkey
Belgium
Bosnia
Armenia
Estonia

[Jadhu]

If belgium is playing like in euro2008 qualifying belgium will be 4th.
Spain, Turkey and Bosnia are going to take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd spot.. Dunno which country in which spot. Armenia is going to be 6th and estonia 5th

[SiN]

If belgium is playing like in euro2008 qualifying belgium will be 4th.
Spain, Turkey and Bosnia are going to take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd spot.. Dunno which country in which spot. Armenia is going to be 6th and estonia 5th

Hopefully you are right.

The thing about Turkey is that, we tend to live up to expectations when it comes to big football matches. Put us up against a top team, and we will give a 110% performance and give it are all and sometimes manage to take the win or either come really close.

But if we play against a team like Malta, Latvia, Armenia or etc we tend to get a little ahead of ourselves and go into the match with a mindset that we are so superior. Do you get what i mean?

It really bugs me that we cannot have a certain starting 11 lineup aswell, we are always swapping and changing. Its getting really annoying.

[Pr0s]

Well folks, as of monday, a few key currupt members of the Savez of BiH Football Federation are gone from power. This is good news and hopefully will become great news in the coming weeks. Thus, this is also bad news for all the other teams in the 5th group.
Hell, with most likely forthcoming maybe the strongest bosnian squad to date, this group just got a lot more competitive. I can see Bosnia finishing as high as 1st, but also finishing as low as 4th. Nevertheless, I will say that Turkey, Bosnia, and Spain will be fighting for that number 1 spot. I just don't see Belgium a huge threat. Let the games officially begin. :evil:

[tdr]

Spain are the favorites - Bosnia, Turkey and Belgium will battle for the second spot

[SiN]

Spain are the favorites - Bosnia, Turkey and Belgium will battle for the second spot

Favourites yes, but that does not neccasarily mean that they will take first place, we wont find out until the first few matches are played. I dont want to rate Spain to highly at the moment, we all know that there form in the last few years has been kind of wierd.

I beleive Turkey can put up a good fight against them, Spain - Turkey match will be amazing. Our midfield is capable of a quick counter attacking play which the Spanish players might be used to so it will be very interesing to watch this match. I dont think it will end goaless.

[tdr]

^ true

Belgium should not be overlooked they have many young players who will be ready when the qualifications start

but that being said I doubt BiH and Turkey will stay in the same place i.e. they will improve also

[Saraj Fanatico]

I think Bosnia's chance of qualifying is huge if the players come back. We will be 2 times stronger then the team in the last qualifying cycle. We have so many options to choose from its remarkable. Here is a list of the players which are possibly returning.

- Sasa Papac (Rangers)
- Emir Spahic (Lokomotiv Moskva)
- Hasan Salihamidzic (Juventus)
- Zlatan Bajramovic (Schalke)
- Kenan Hasagic (İstanbul Belediyespor)

We might also see the following play come August, still unlikely:

Miralem Pjanic (FC Metz)
Sergej Barbarez (Bayer Leverkusen)



Our new coach might also be Zlatko Kranjcar who led Croatia to the 2006 Fifa World Cup. There is a big chance he will get the job.

I think this is BiH's time to shine if everything works out well.

[Pr0s]

^Amin

[zeppos]

When will the match calendar be known?

[Pr0s]

Whenever the football federations meet. I'm thinking it will be sometime in early January.

[zeppos]

Whenever the football federations meet. I'm thinking it will be sometime in early January.

Apparantly it's going to be decided January, 8th.

The Belgian FA announced also friendlies against Hungary, France and Italy. Friendlies with Andorra, Congo DR and the Netherlands are also said to be negociated.

[Pr0s]

Thnx for that bit of info m8.

[zeppos]

Belgian Transfer Update:

Anderlecht youngster Vadis Ofoe Odjidja (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8_pwYX_K4o) moves immediately to Bundesliga club Hamburg HSV for an undisclosed fee. The 18 year old Belgian midfielder only played one game for Anderlecht, scoring one goal.

[zeppos]

Henri Saivet (France) vs Eden Hazard (Belgium) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDS_6XaPacU)

[zeppos]

Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Armenia and Estonia couldn't find an agreement making the calendar for the world cup qualifications. The calendar will now be randomly scheduled by the FIFA. This could get interesting... :eat:

[Pape]

Random, yeah right.

[DelijaZauvjek]

lol.......Randomley by Fifa..

hmmmmmmmm

[SiN]

Zeppo do not post Belgian club matches and info here please. Thanks

[Bosnian Unit]

Second spot doesnt guaranty us anything, it only takes us to play offs.

Lets go for #1 :D

1.BIH
2.Spain
3.Turkey (sorry no more friendlies :lol:, no more Muzurovic licking Terims ass, and their sexy time before the game:smoking:)
4.Armenia
5.Belgium
6.Estonia

[zeppos]

Zeppo do not post Belgian club matches and info here please. Thanks
I haven't. I only post information about our national team players. Or is it forbidden to give the other members an idea about what to expect from the Belgian national team? :noidea:

[tdr]

you can post transfer news and other news as long as involves Belgian NT (and other teams in group 5 as well)

carrry on

[Saraj Fanatico]

All Bosnian and Herzegovinian (Thought I would forget huh? :)) players are back and ready to roll. We have an excellent New Coach not scared of a challenge and some key FA members fired who played a huge role in corrupting our football. No more excuses now, we have our best squad put together. I think we can take 1st.

[Pr0s]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves Saraj. The Bosnian Tendency never seems to fail :mad2:

[Saraj Fanatico]

Well, for now, we are going into the Qualifiers with a squad which will be quite different on the competition level then any previous squad we assembled.

[NB-MVP]

Bosnia will take 1st or 2nd, trust me guys... knowing Kodro and his mentality, he'll feed the players correctly. This would be the squad I would use for FIFA World Cup 2010 Qualifications:

Goalkeepers
Kenan Hasagic (27)
Jasmin Buric (20)

Defenders
Emir Spahic (27)
Veldin Muharemovic (23)
Dzemal Berberovic (26)
Sasa Papac (27)
Safet Nadarevic (27)
Samir Merzic (23)

Midfielders
Zlatan Bajramovic (28)
Zvjezdan Misimovic (25)
Semir Stilic (20)
Mirko Hrgovic (28)
Ivica Grlic (32)
Elvir Rahimic (31)
Miralem Pjanic (17)
Sejad Salihovic (23)

Strikers
Zlatan Muslimovic (26)
Edin Dzeko (21)
Senijad Ibricic (22)
Adnan Custovic (29)
Vedad Ibisevic (23)

The squad is fairly young as it has 9 players that are 23 years old and younger but the players are only getting better and better in quality, and that's the most important part.

[NB-MVP]

Players that we should never field again:

Almir Tolja
Adnan Guso
Velimir Vidic
Branimir Bajic
Branislav Krunic
Darko Maletic
and at some cases... Dario Damjanovic

If the players, coaches, and fans truly believe that we can go through this with the best possible situation and we field the best players, there is no doubt we will have a successful season. Bosnian FA, coach, players, etc. just need to work together :grouphug: and everything will be fine

[NB-MVP]

Some compilations/vids of players of our national team:

Senijad Ibricic (22 years old)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=beBNnEGBKck
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ViGVZguZRkY&feature=related (check out 1:20, Maradona like goal)

Edin Dzeko (21 years old)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BdxxwYrt6ME

Zvjezdan Misimovic (25 years old) (goals only)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oB3p_2XV_HU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QVGQIbPs6mY&feature=related (you better not foul this kid near the box, you'll get punished harshly)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-lgpwWCyHo8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=elECDI8rHfA&feature=related

Best Bosnian goal (2nd goal in the video but 1st one wasn't bad either)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sLYEGmLP74A

If Spain play like this in defence, then they will concede plenty of goals:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0qaoQEIi5M&feature=related

They rely too much on Casillas and that's a flaw... Kodro should note on this

If we have these kinds of fans throughout (without the violence) then it would feel as we have 12 players on the field, FACT:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3NuoCVtavWE

There are alot more, but I don't feel like posting too much.

[NB-MVP]

Let me give you some more info on players you might have not heard of. Jasmin Buric is the 6th costliest goalkeeper (21 years of age and younger) in the world and has kept alot of clean sheets for Celik Zenica in the league. Semir Stilic is one of our best young talents. He's 20 years old and he's already the best Zeljeznicar player as well as the costliest 20 year old player in Bosnian team. He's a very very fast winger and his eye on the field is incredible. Watch out for his powerful shots, I'm pretty sure they can break a brick wall. Senijad Ibricic is another winger that has all of Stilic's qualities except he has more experience and he scores beautiful dribbling goals. Edin Dzeko's 21 years old, voted by a Bundesliga website as best striker of first half season, scouted by top teams like Arsenal and has already national experience. Sejad Salihovic is rated best midfielder in 2nd Bundesliga by a points simulation (kind of like the EuroSport kind) and is most likely to move to a Bundesliga side next season because he's already one of the best if not the best player in 2nd Bundesliga. Miralem Pjanic is 17 years old, starter for Ligue 1 side Metz FC, one of the best players there too... very versatile... can play in defence, midfield, attack, but not goalie hehe.

Some possible young players that might appear in national team are Srdjan Stanic, the 18 year old who... like Stilic, is rippin it at Zeljeznicar... and Ermin Zec who is 19 years old and already has 6 goals in 13 games in Croatian league... Avdija Vrsajevic (21)... haven't seen this guy play but I've heard he's a great defender. They won't appear in Bosnian team anytime soon... but are a threat in the future. Oh and Emra Tahirovic, the 19 year old that played in Ligue 1 might choose Bosnia over Sweden if we're lucky enough. He's Bosnian after all

[Saraj Fanatico]

*****, cost doesn't mean as much as you make it look. Sure it looks good but its not the biggest attribute.

[NB-MVP]

*****, cost doesn't mean as much as you make it look. Sure it looks good but its not the biggest attribute.

I know... but it also gives you a headup on how he is performing in the club. You can compare easily one who is 100,000 and another who is 5,000,000 but no one is an idiot to say the one who is 5,000,000 is better than the one that is 2,000,000... it depends on how big a difference it is. but yeah the best way is to watch them play in real life and their performances on the pitch, I agree... but I think Ibricic who is 1,300,000 is better than players like Custovic who is 2,500,000 or Muratovic who is 1,500,000.

[Brenneka]

so briefly Turkey > Bosnia :P j/k

i think we ll fight for 1st spot with Spain and it ll be determined by SpainvsBosnia(home-away) and TurkeyvsBosnia(home-away) matches

[Pr0s]

so briefly Turkey > Bosnia :P j/k

i think we ll fight for 1st spot with Spain and it ll be determined by SpainvsBosnia(home-away) and TurkeyvsBosnia(home-away) matches

Right now, Hands down YES! :sad:
Bosnia with a revamped Federation/Old Coach, probably yes also

[Brenneka]

just wanted to provoke some bosnian friends for a good laugh thats all :D

HAI GUYS ^^

[Pr0s]

We can't get mad when you speak the truth, We are screwed.

[Brenneka]

no you are not.. nothing is certain before teams meet on the pitch noone is favourite noone is underdog

[Pr0s]

^Trust me man, we are screwed. If you knew the state of our Football Federation, you would agree with me.

[SiN]

So Spaın and Turkey to make ıt through thıs group for sure then huh? :D

I cant waıt to watch Turkey vs Spaın, that wıll be a cracker of a match :D

[I Am Legend]

Bosnia will just be making the numbers up in this group. Spain and Turkey will crush them home and away.

[SiN]

^^ ıf you saw the way bosnıa played ın theır euro 08 qaulıes, you would know that bosnıa are actually goıng to be a bıg threat ın thıs group. they have young and talented players comıng through and ı know that by the tıme these matches kıck ın they wıll be up for ıt.

[Pr0s]

^ How are we going to be up for it when all our best players are boycotting (upcoming/decent players too). Bosnia will be lucky to concede only two goals to Armenia. Spain/Turkey to go through with ease.

[SiN]

boycottıng?

what do you mean?

[NB-MVP]

^ rofl... our whole squad is boycotting, even the U21 players don't want to play... only like 5-6 U21 players played in friendly against Azerbaijan which Bosnia won 1-0 and some other really bad players from our league (not even close to the best players of our league... and trust me our league is crap).

Pjanic, Misimovic, Bajramovic, Dzeko, Spahic, Papac, Hasagic, Muslimovic, and many many others who play around Europe... they're all boycotting.

why? the FA is totally ***ked up, they decide what's going on the pitch, and they make it so that Serbian clubs, Croatian clubs, and Bosniak clubs take turns winning the league. Home teams always win in our league, no matter what. Sometimes the away team doesn't even wanna play an away game because they know the refs will make it so the home team wins, they usually field reserve squad rofl.

FA hires/fires whoever coach comes for the job... Meho Kodro, one of the most respected footballers in Bosnia took the job as coach. The FA illegally got into his business and controlled what Kodro's doing. Kodro only had a limit. The FA organized a friendly with Iran (which was abandoned due to problems) which Kodro didn't even know about. Kodro didn't want to play the friendly so they fired him. The friendly is useless... the FA just wanted money.

Also the FA steals money from clubs in Bosnia... every week they would steal about 10,000 Euros from 4-5 clubs in Bosnia by making up fan problems (which there were none to begin with).

Their scouting system is horrible. We continue to lose talents... one example is Ibrahimovic. Ibrahimovic wanted to play for Bosnia but the FA told him to have a training session in INDIA to see if he's good enough. He was one of the brightest talents playing in Ajax at that time!

just some examples why you will DESTROY us, also when we beat you guys 3-2 and when you beat us 1-0 in Turkey, we played with a C-team. it's very very rare to see a full strength Bosnian squad in any game. if that happened, we would qualify for any tournament.

[NB-MVP]

Bosnia will just be making the numbers up in this group. Spain and Turkey will crush them home and away.

they never really crushed us, we beat the Turks at home for 2008 qualifying and tied the Spanish twice, home and away in 2006 qualifying

but I agree with Dominkovic & Co., Spain and Turkey will crush us. we got monkeys working back there

[I Am Legend]

Anyone who refuses to play for their National Team while they are capable should be put against a wall and shot! It is treason in my book. :smoking:

[Brenneka]

their federation is ***king things up..lots of corruption goin on afaik

[vojvoda]

Ola la! I think this is the most interesting group of all with 4 possible teams to chase the first two spots.

My prediction:

1. Spain
2. Belgium (1st choice)/ Turkey (2nd choice)
3. Bosna i Hercegovina

Good luck to BOSANCHEROS! I hope you guys qualify would be good to see you in the world cup! :D

[NB-MVP]

^ Welcome to the forum bro, it's really nice to see a Serb rooting for Croatia, Serbia, and Bosnia, all at once.

Knowing our screwed up organization and the knack of ***king up with injuries, coaches getting sacked, etc. right before an important game, it's going to end like this:

1) Spain
2) Turkey
3) Belgium (if we're lucky, Bosnia)
4) Bosnia (if we're lucky, Belgium)

[A(Bosancero)]

well i would want this to happen but its very unlikely
Bosna
Turkey
Spain
Belgium

But it will be

Spain
Turkey
Belgium
bosnia no doubt

[vojvoda]

^ Welcome to the forum bro, it's really nice to see a Serb rooting for Croatia, Serbia, and Bosnia, all at once.

Knowing our screwed up organization and the knack of ***king up with injuries, coaches getting sacked, etc. right before an important game, it's going to end like this:

1) Spain
2) Turkey
3) Belgium (if we're lucky, Bosnia)
4) Bosnia (if we're lucky, Belgium)

Thank you bro! We got to support each other and leave dirty politics behind us! NAPRIJED BALKAN! :D

[A(Bosancero)]

Thank you bro! We got to support each other and leave dirty politics behind us! NAPRIJED BALKAN! :D

yes finally someone who wants nothing to do with politics finally:D

[NB-MVP]

Because the future is what matters :thumbsup:

[A(Bosancero)]

of course it does forget the past :thumbsdown:

[SiN]

well belgium are begining to look like a big threat now

[1bosnian]

well after todays bosnia vs bulgaria match i can see who is going to finish 1 and 2nd

1.SPAIN(Bosnia maybe)
2.BOSNIA
3.TURKEY

[1bosnian]

i think bosnia will be the biggest threat to every team in group 5

[A(Bosancero)]

well after todays bosnia vs bulgaria match i can see who is going to finish 1 and 2nd

1.SPAIN(Bosnia maybe)
2.BOSNIA
3.TURKEY
hold ur horses there cowboy its bulgaria spain and turkey are better then bulgaria plus we lost so don't get so high and besides we all ways have bad luck in the middle of qualifyers

[1bosnian]

yea we did lose but thats cuz we made 2 stupid mistakes and our back line will be brushed and we will see some new defenders and better defenders vs spain the 6th....i mean we were all over bulgaria today we just couldnt get it done and put a feww into the nett we were just unlucky....bulgaria got luckky very lucky today

[Almir11]

Bosnia Is Going To Take Second Place!!!!!!!!!

[A(Bosancero)]

not if turkey is in the picture plus then we would have to go through playoffs with who knows who and might fall out then

[zeppos]

well belgium are begining to look like a big threat now
If Belgium wants to beat Turkey, they will have to do it now, while Nihat and Altintop are injured. I think it's a big loss for Turkey.

We finished as first European country at the Olympics and the Belgian Standard Liège midfield (Witsel, Defour, Fellaini) dominated the Liverpool midfield in the CL qualifier (0-0;1-0 defeat).

Our confidence is higher than ever nowadays. If Turkey plays like in the EC group stage, we can beat them. If Turkey plays like against Germany,...

[Andygers]

I think Bosnia will run Spain and Turkey close but will ultimately end up third. Its a shame that there are not only one or two games against the big teams for Bosnia or they probably win the group to be honest. Its inconsistency that has and will cost them in the end.

Good luck to Bosnia anyway.

[A(Bosancero)]

good luck to scotland hopefully you can get a good result from macedonia I would want BiH and Turkey to go through but as it looks its going to be the fight for second place with spain being the european champs

[Andygers]

good luck to scotland hopefully you can get a good result from macedonia I would want BiH and Turkey to go through but as it looks its going to be the fight for second place with spain being the european champs I want BiH to go through but I just can't see it.

[A(Bosancero)]

well we were the favorites with turkey to go through to the final tournament for the Euro 2008 last time UEFA expected us to go through , and we finished a lousy 4th now that people underestimate us we can bite their asses off with our young talented unexperienced squad

[Andygers]

^ Well I wish you guys good luck for the campaign!

[A(Bosancero)]

same here!

[Pr0s]

well we were the favorites with turkey to go through to the final tournament for the Euro 2008 last time UEFA expected us to go through , and we finished a lousy 4th now that people underestimate us we can bite their asses off with our young talented unexperienced squad

Quit typing nonsense and actually think before you write something. You are making yourself seem like an idiot with stuff like that.

[A(Bosancero)]

Quit typing nonsense and actually think before you write something. You are making yourself seem like an idiot with stuff like that.
ning
dude we were expected to qualify since we had one of our most talented squad ever at the time when the Qualifers were about to begin,people thought we could qualify and then the boycott occurred which effected our squad and chances of qualifying

[NB-MVP]

Amer you always talk jack. You don't know anything about anything to be honest to you.

Andygers, I'll agree, BiH is extremely inconsistent. Once our first 20 players are gone, we're vulnerable. When they all are fit, it's hard to beat us. But we play like crap when we miss like 11 players, we have little replacements, hopefully this can be fixed and one day we become like Croatia/Serbia where we have a lot of replacements.

But to tell you the truth, it's a huge fight between Belgium/Turkey/Bosnia for second, third, and fourth spots.

[A(Bosancero)]

that makes me sad nermin :sad: i should leave this fourm since i don't bring nothing but stupidty

[A(Bosancero)]

I don't know that would be true turkey is pretty tough when they have their full strength team, even with their weak team they almost beat germany so they could take this group as well but the honors go to Spain and Turkey

[BiH]

that makes me sad nermin :sad: i should leave this fourm since i don't bring nothing but stupidty

@Amer,don't take it personal,
they're just being idiots ! :nono:
you have a legit point,
just take some time to make it clear so ppl. don't misinterpret you,
don't rush through

[iix]

armenia got raped 2-0 good night buddy!

[Almir11]

its not raped but they got beat !!!!

[GalapagosaraY]

Man Estonia only lost 3-2 to Belgium, i wish they would have taken points from them even though it looked unlikely. Atleast Belgium are continuing to conceede alot of goals too

[DelijaZauvjek]

Belgiums defense sucks. But their offense is really promising. They have a lot of promising stars as well.

Many teams will underestimate them.
Bosnia, Spain, and Turkey included.

I could see them taking plenty points from those 3.

[A(Bosancero)]

lol what are you talking about delja? yeah belgium has a great team but we can still beat them

[Saraj Fanatico]

Belgium has the offense no doubt, but their defense is becoming a joke. They are too inexperienced at the moment. I think Spain, Turkey and BiH will all take them down.

Bosnia is showing a lot of good things in the defense. Losing only 1-0 in Murcia to European champs Spain is no joke. The defense was lively and incredible. IF Bosnia's back line can keep things stable, then we can expect a stronger Bosnia then ever before. Bosnia is getting closer to fixing its number 1 problem (Defense) once this is done the team is ready to compete in any level. If the defense stays consistent I honestly do see BiH staying in the game for 1st spot. Still, Spain is too good for the rest of the teams here to lose that position.

[SiN]

man dw, turkey has a shaky defense aswell, we always conceed sloppy goals...

turkey is in first place now right??

[NB-MVP]

Belgium has the offense no doubt, but their defense is becoming a joke. They are too inexperienced at the moment. I think Spain, Turkey and BiH will all take them down.

Bosnia is showing a lot of good things in the defense. Losing only 1-0 in Murcia to European champs Spain is no joke. The defense was lively and incredible. IF Bosnia's back line can keep things stable, then we can expect a stronger Bosnia then ever before. Bosnia is getting closer to fixing its number 1 problem (Defense) once this is done the team is ready to compete in any level. If the defense stays consistent I honestly do see BiH staying in the game for 1st spot. Still, Spain is too good for the rest of the teams here to lose that position.

Imagine if Sasa Papac and Emir Spahic played. We could've drawn or beaten the European champs. We didn't deserve to lose this game like this, ***k Dzeko, couldn't have slotted in the easiest of chances. Ibisevic would've made a homerun out of that shit man. I am so pissed... 10-0 or 1-0... we still lost those 3 points. We could've played like shit or we could've played like we did today, same consequences. Man this sucks ...... I cried when the game ended. Couldn't take the defeat like a man, had to be a little baby for a little while, I'd rather lose 4-0 knowing we were worse than losing like this.

Their difference was David Villa, if he didn't play, this shit would've been a draw, because honestly I didn't see any difference between these two countries except the Spanish accuracy in attack. We didn't let them breathe in the midfield, they had to fight for every ball. We played way better than Germany did against them and we played in Murcia, Spain. Still, all this don't matter, we lost... either 1-0 or 10-0, same thing. :(

[1bosnian]

david villa was offside when he scored that goal anyways

[Andygers]

Only 1-0 Spain! I am very surprised although saying that they might of became overconfident and just not performed.

[Saraj Fanatico]

No, our back line was really good yesterday. Our offense was hideous except Vladevic, and Misimovic who were setting shit up the entire 90 minutes.

[Pr0s]

Koju si ti tekmu gledo?

[A(Bosancero)]

lol 1-0 is amazing against the european champs i bet you we played better then germany in the game then they did in the euro final could have been 1-1 or 1-0 for us but eto we had some chances and blew them if Pjanic and ibricic played earlier maybe it could have been 1-1 but 1-0 against the european champs is great! we will see how we prform against estonia hopefully we take 3 points

[NB-MVP]

Well our midfielders created a lot of chances and broke the Spanish midfield in pieces many times through the game, shame Edin Dzeko couldn't have scored in the chances he's got. 2nd half was poor, Spain was all over us. Oh well... Spain's destroyed Denmark at away and hardly scraped past us at home. I'm saying we're improving a great deal, our team is very young as Ciro explained and we'll be the real deal next year.

[A(Bosancero)]

our defence has improved trmendously! we got one of the biggest areas of needed improvement down we still have to try to get offensive mind back

[SiN]

turkey has started well

im expecting another victory against belgium on wednesday, this will give us a handy position in the group.

[A(Bosancero)]

i hope we can get 3 points in Zenica then try to at least get a point in istanbul!

[NB-MVP]

Bosna 7-0 Estonia definately beats Spain 4-0 Armenia result, :).

[A(Bosancero)]

But Armenia is better then Estonia or are they?

[NB-MVP]

Lol, I think they're same. Estonia put in 2 goals against Belgium in Brussels, it's hard to think of us scoring 2 on them in Brussels, lol.

[A(Bosancero)]

Belgium has very poor defense if they improved on defense then they would have beat turkey oh well. Hopefully we can get all 6 points against them!

[zeppos]

Belgium played this team against Turkey:

-------------Stijnen--------------
------Kompany------Simons------
Swerts-----------------Vermaelen
-------Fellaini------Vertonghen---
Defour-------Dembélé-------Witsel
----------Sonck------------------

All the players in blue are U23 players. In the game you clearly saw our lack of experience. There was way to much unrest when Belgium had possession of the ball in the second half. Turkey created lots of pressure, but not that many chances, because Belgium defended well. I don't think Turkey would have scored without that (very light) penalty, so I'm a bit dissapointed. But a point in Istanbul is always a great result for a young team like ours.

[nelly]

Spain were the real winners form the result in Istanbul last night, this group is going to be very close now.

[Fenerliyim]

Belgium has very poor defense if they improved on defense then they would have beat turkey oh well. Hopefully we can get all 6 points against them!

How does belgium have a bad defense? That is all they do, they maybe came to our goal area 3 times the whole match and with luck they scored 1. After 1 goal they just sat back and defended with 10 men. They are like greece with their anti-football. its freakin disgraceful, if we had luck on our side we woulda put a couple of our chances past them.

Plus Altintop's goal which was ruled offside, if u watch the replay is 100% onside.

Belgium were just lucky yesterday.

[Fenerliyim]

Anyway i think Turkey should aim for 7 points in our next 4 games which is bosnia, estonia, spain and then spain again.

If we can get 7 points i think we can qualify as second much more easily.

[zeppos]

How does belgium have a bad defense? That is all they do, they maybe came to our goal area 3 times the whole match and with luck they scored 1. After 1 goal they just sat back and defended with 10 men. They are like greece with their anti-football. its freakin disgraceful, if we had luck on our side we woulda put a couple of our chances past them.

Plus Altintop's goal which was ruled offside, if u watch the replay is 100% onside.

Belgium were just lucky yesterday.
Lucky to concede an imaginary penalty? There was only one team lucky yesterday...

[Fenerliyim]

an imaginary penalty? Did the ball hit or not hit the defender's hand? it did, therefore it is a handball. Defenders know at all time to keep their hands behind their backs. This guy didnt and it cost him a penalty.

[A(Bosancero)]

Lucky to concede an imaginary penalty? There was only one team lucky yesterday...

and that was belgium.

[Saraj Fanatico]

I love the tension building up here. :D

[NB-MVP]

It would be great if we beat Belgium at home at least, that would take alot of pressure out of the team's shoulders, I'm pretty darn sure they'll score at least one goal on us, they are a very good side that is unlucky. Their team is young like ours, and they will only get better.

[A(Bosancero)]

They got 1st place in Europe for the Olympics big whoop! Oh my god! out of all of four European teams we got first! We are world Champions!!!!!!!!! The major teams weren't even in the Olympics besides Brazil and Argentina. Still Belgium will improve and get better and better they have great future but for now they are even with BiH.

[zeppos]

Eden Hazard with Lille OSC:

Eden Hazard (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_yr743Py1k)

[zeppos]

Moussa Dembélé with AZ:

Moussa Dembélé (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoLg-Uzio8o)

Be Afraid :worried:

[tdr]

lol trembling in fear :D

[Saraj Fanatico]

That was a pretty impressive dribble in the 2nd clip.

Salihovic for Hoffenheim. :) Beckham'ed that shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHUYD5Dxv38

[PonosBosne]

That was a pretty impressive dribble in the 2nd clip.

Salihovic for Hoffenheim. :) Beckham'ed that shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHUYD5Dxv38


Salihovic does that consistently he could have scored 3 goals in the Werder game. 3 shots from the free kick one was a goal the other dude he the post and the goal wasn't even close. Salihovic is a beast!


And the dribbling you said it was impressive! That wasn't impressive my friend I watched that like 5 times and the defense was just awful, let him do that on our defense he will get his legs chopped off and he will never attempt to do it again.

[zeppos]

Salihovic does that consistently he could have scored 3 goals in the Werder game. 3 shots from the free kick one was a goal the other dude he the post and the goal wasn't even close. Salihovic is a beast!


And the dribbling you said it was impressive! That wasn't impressive my friend I watched that like 5 times and the defense was just awful, let him do that on our defense he will get his legs chopped off and he will never attempt to do it again.
What defense? We've beating you guys 4-1 with our worst generation ever.

[tdr]

What defense? We've beating you guys 4-1 with our worst generation ever.
you beat us once and yes the result was 4-1

we scored in first minute for 1-0 and then you guys came back and scored 4 (sad really for our 15,000 fans that went to Belgium but that was the type of football we played back then score a goal then retreat and defend for rest of the game)

however in the rematch we beat you 1-0


I think he was talking about present situation and not some match 2, 3, 4 or 50 years ago. You guys gave up 2 goals to Estonia at home. Where we trashed the same team and didn't let them have anything offensively. You also gave up a goal against Turkey where we were scored on from offside against Spain.

Bosnia > Belgium

and that will be proven

now we are going to Turkey (and we hopefully get those 3 points)

but don't worry 3 points for bosnia against turkey then 6 points for bosnia against belgium will have bosnians rooting for belgium and turkey in their matches against Spain :D

I believe we can beat both Spain and Turkey at home (which is another 6 pts)

realistically if things go as planned we should be in position to win the group :)

[zeppos]

you beat us once and yes the result was 4-1

we scored in first minute for 1-0 and then you guys came back and scored 4 (sad really for our 15,000 fans that went to Belgium but that was the type of football we played back then score a goal then retreat and defend for rest of the game)

however in the rematch we beat you 1-0


I think he was talking about present situation and not some match 2, 3, 4 or 50 years ago. You guys gave up 2 goals to Estonia at home. Where we trashed the same team and didn't let them have anything offensively. You also gave up a goal against Turkey where we were scored on from offside against Spain.

Bosnia > Belgium

and that will be proven

now we are going to Turkey (and we hopefully get those 3 points)

but don't worry 3 points for bosnia against turkey then 6 points for bosnia against belgium will have bosnians rooting for belgium and turkey in their matches against Spain :D

I believe we can beat both Spain and Turkey at home (which is another 6 pts)

realistically if things go as planned we should be in position to win the group :)
I think I want to drink or smoke some of the stuff that you are having :crazy:

[tdr]

I think I want to drink or smoke some of the stuff that you are having :crazy:
don't drink nor do I smoke (anymore)

I try not to do things that can harm me or the others. :)

[Saraj Fanatico]

Zeppos you cannot possibly compare todays BiH with the one you beat 4-1. That BiH thought they won once getting a 1-0 advantage. Thats why we failed beating you in your home ground last time. This new team scores 7 goals on Estonia and plays as if its 0-0. The Estonians could have lost 10-0 but they were lucky. Plus, that old team defeated you 1-0 in Zenica so I dunno by what advantage the new team will get you with this time around. We fought hard with Spain but that Villa is too good for the best defenses and he broke through (Even tho he was indeed offside) but they at least deserved it. Still, Spain barely beat us 1-0 in their own home and we could have easily walked away with 1-1 if Dzeko didn't choke when he was 1 on 1 with Casillas. Anyways the Estonian coach said we were another class compared to Belgium so it should give you an idea of what BiH is like now. I dunno how Belgium can be ahead of us when they barely pass Estonia by in their own home. The game vs Turkey will let us know more. But again we have Ciro Blazevic who got 3rd place with Croatia in the World cup leading guys who are on top of their game in the Bundesliga (Ibisevic lead scorer, Greek Superleague (Muslimovic top scorer for league leaders PAOK), Salihovic (Hoffenheims best midfielder, Hoffenheim is in the top 4 in the league), and others against an very young Belgium squad so I really think BiH is a favorite in both games.

[PonosBosne]

Zeppos you cannot possibly compare todays BiH with the one you beat 4-1. That BiH thought they won once getting a 1-0 advantage. Thats why we failed beating you in your home ground last time. This new team scores 7 goals on Estonia and plays as if its 0-0. The Estonians could have lost 10-0 but they were lucky. Plus, that old team defeated you 1-0 in Zenica so I dunno by what advantage the new team will get you with this time around. We fought hard with Spain but that Villa is too good for the best defenses and he broke through (Even tho he was indeed offside) but they at least deserved it. Still, Spain barely beat us 1-0 in their own home and we could have easily walked away with 1-1 if Dzeko didn't choke when he was 1 on 1 with Casillas. Anyways the Estonian coach said we were another class compared to Belgium so it should give you an idea of what BiH is like now. I dunno how Belgium can be ahead of us when they barely pass Estonia by in their own home. The game vs Turkey will let us know more. But again we have Ciro Blazevic who got 3rd place with Croatia in the World cup leading guys who are on top of their game in the Bundesliga (Ibisevic lead scorer, Greek Superleague (Muslimovic top scorer for league leaders PAOK), Salihovic (Hoffenheims best midfielder, Hoffenheim is in the top 4 in the league), and others against an very young Belgium squad so I really think BiH is a favorite in both games.


Hoffenheim is first right on in the Bundesliga. They beat Frankfurt 2-1, but anyways Belgium won't stand a chance against us we are to deadly are attack is 2nd in the European side Germany is first they have scored 9 goals so far we scored 7 so far that tells you something.

[zeppos]

I'm sorry. I didn't realise you had players playing for European giants Hoffenheim :fear: :Pray: :help:

[A(Bosancero)]

I hope you know that this is Hoffenheim's first season in the bundesliga and already they are owning everyone, so I think you should keep your big mouth shut!

[tdr]

I'm sorry. I didn't realise you had players playing for European giants Hoffenheim :fear: :Pray: :help:
well all of our players are leaders of their respective teams

Salihovic and Ibisevic (who are playing for Hoffenheim) are better than most of your team and those two are not our best players :)

[Saraj Fanatico]

I'm sorry. I didn't realise you had players playing for European giants Hoffenheim :fear: :Pray: :help:

Bro you might want to see the German Standings..

Hoffenheim is becoming a German superpower since their financial dependence rests on one of the richest men in the world.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Hoffenheim is first right on in the Bundesliga. They beat Frankfurt 2-1, but anyways Belgium won't stand a chance against us we are to deadly are attack is 2nd in the European side Germany is first they have scored 9 goals so far we scored 7 so far that tells you something.

Easy Asmir, they do stand a chance. Its just that I believe they are not favorites as these Uefa sites always claim. Their team is good but they are too inexperienced to be considered ahead of us.

[zeppos]

Bro you might want to see the German Standings..

Hoffenheim is becoming a German superpower since their financial dependence rests on one of the richest men in the world.

:doh: :yield:

[Saraj Fanatico]

Alright, but you might want to read about their club more often.

[VitezBiH]

He doesn't even have anything to say because he knows the truth. In my opinion, Bosnia are definitely better than Belgium, and we'll prove it when the time comes.

About your earlier point. You know why Belgium played that many U-23 players? Because thats the recent Olympic generation, and since they did pretty well, they thought they'd take a gamble and play them in the regular squad. Didnt work out too well for you guys, did it? :lol:


And why would you laugh at a team like Hoffenheim? Look at the German Bundesliga standings. They are at the top my friend, not the bottom or the mid-table, at the top. They just came out of the 2nd League too. Thats no small feat.


Our players are young and versatile and I wouldn't be surprised if we beat Belgium both home and away.

[VitezBiH]

I'd like to make another point.

Take a look at some of the clubs our national team players play in. They are all up-and-coming, young, developing clubs that are the future of their countries and maybe even Europe.

Among them, Hoffenheim, Werder Bremen, MSK Zilina (Playing in the EURO Cup), Wolfsburg, Lyon (One of France's greatest clubs, and a developing European power), Sturm Graz (One of the best Austrian clubs), Hajduk, Lokomotiv, CSKA Moscow

[zeppos]

I'd like to make another point.

Take a look at some of the clubs our national team players play in. They are all up-and-coming, young, developing clubs that are the future of their countries and maybe even Europe.

Among them, Hoffenheim, Werder Bremen, MSK Zilina (Playing in the EURO Cup), Wolfsburg, Lyon (One of France's greatest clubs, and a developing European power), Sturm Graz (One of the best Austrian clubs), Hajduk, Lokomotiv, CSKA Moscow
After this weekend, you guys will already be out of the race :lol:

[tdr]

He doesn't even have anything to say because he knows the truth. In my opinion, Bosnia are definitely better than Belgium, and we'll prove it when the time comes.

About your earlier point. You know why Belgium played that many U-23 players? Because thats the recent Olympic generation, and since they did pretty well, they thought they'd take a gamble and play them in the regular squad. Didnt work out too well for you guys, did it? :lol:


And why would you laugh at a team like Hoffenheim? Look at the German Bundesliga standings. They are at the top my friend, not the bottom or the mid-table, at the top. They just came out of the 2nd League too. Thats no small feat.


Our players are young and versatile and I wouldn't be surprised if we beat Belgium both home and away.
we have lot of young guys on our team also (but it's hard to notice when they are so good lol)

17 MF Miralem Pjanić April 2, 1990 (1990-04-02) (age 18) 3 0 France Lyon
MF Said Huseinović July 10, 1988 (1988-07-10) (age 20) 3 0 Germany Werder Bremen
FW Boubacar Diabang Dialiba July 13, 1988 (1988-07-13) (age 20) Spain Real Murcia ß soon he will make a debut for the senior NT
10 MF Semir Štilić October 8, 1987 (1987-10-08) (age 20) 1 0 Poland Lech Poznań
11 FW Edin Džeko March 17, 1986 (1986-03-17) (age 22) 10 3 Germany VfL Wolfsburg
21 MF Senijad Ibričić September 26, 1985 (1985-09-26) (age 23) 9 2 Croatia Hajduk Split
15 MF Sejad Salihović 8 October 1984 (1984-10-08) (age 23) 6 0 Germany Hoffenheim
14 FW Vedad Ibišević August 6, 1984 (1984-08-06) (age 24) 10 1 Germany Hoffenheim
DF Adnan Mravac April 10, 1982 (1982-04-10) (age 26) Austria SV Mattersburg ß just got called up
10 MF Zvjezdan Misimović June 5, 1982 (1982-06-05) (age 26) 35 15 Germany VfL Wolfsburg
24 MF Admir Vladavić June 29, 1982 (1982-06-29) (age 26) 11 0 Slovakia MŠK Žilina
2 DF Džemal Berberović November 5, 1981 (1981-11-05) (age 26) 37 1 Bulgaria Litex Lovech
9 FW Zlatan Muslimović March 6, 1981 (1981-03-06) (age 27) 15 10 Greece PAOK
8 MF Dario Damjanović July 23, 1981 (1981-07-23) (age 27) 11 2 Russia Luch-Energia
1 GK Kenan Hasagić February 1, 1980 (1980-02-01) (age 28) 26 0 Turkey Istanbul B.B.
4 DF Emir Spahić (captain) August 18, 1980 (1980-08-18) (age 28) 25 1 Russia Lokomotiv Moscow
13 DF Safet Nadarević August 30, 1980 (1980-08-30) (age 28) 12 0 Turkey Eskisehirspor
6 DF Ivan Radeljić September 14, 1980 (1980-09-14) (age 28) 8 0 Germany Energie Cottbus
MF Branislav Krunić January 28, 1979 (1979-01-28) (age 29) 6 0 Russia FC Moscow
5 MF Zlatan Bajramović 12 August 1979 (1979-08-12) (age 29) 30 2 Germany Eintracht Frankfurt
5 MF Samir Muratović February 25, 1976 (1976-02-25) (age 32) 11 0 Austria Sturm Graz
25 MF Elvir Rahimić April 4, 1976 (1976-04-04) (age 32) 11 0 Russia CSKA Moscow

[tdr]

After this weekend, you guys will already be out of the race :lol:
haha funny

you guys were never in the race ;)

[VitezBiH]

haha funny

you guys were never in the race ;)



ohhh snap :lol:

And notice he didnt make one valid point, he just made a vague statement. What a troll.

[benfica64]

My bold prediction? Spain Comes either first or second in the group :lol::lol:

[NB-MVP]

He doesn't even have anything to say because he knows the truth. In my opinion, Bosnia are definitely better than Belgium, and we'll prove it when the time comes.
About your earlier point. You know why Belgium played that many U-23 players? Because thats the recent Olympic generation, and since they did pretty well, they thought they'd take a gamble and play them in the regular squad. Didnt work out too well for you guys, did it? :lol:


And why would you laugh at a team like Hoffenheim? Look at the German Bundesliga standings. They are at the top my friend, not the bottom or the mid-table, at the top. They just came out of the 2nd League too. Thats no small feat.


Our players are young and versatile and I wouldn't be surprised if we beat Belgium both home and away.

If you're going to say Bosnia is better, than you shouldn't even say "definately". In fact, IMO, Belgium is a tad bit better than us. We have young players, so what ? So do they. Ever heard of the 17 year old magic Eden Hazard playing in France ? Genk 17 year old wonderkid Benteke. One of the best young talents in the world at this moment, playing for Everton, 20 year old Fellaini. 22 year old Vincent Kompany starter and one of Manchester City's best players. 21 year old hot prospect from Dutch league Dembele. 19 year old Axel Witsel for Standard, I heard he's really good like Fellaini. 20 year old Steven Defour, probably the best player in Belgian league, and also worth 5,000,000 euros at 20 years of age. Anthony Vanden Borre, 20 years old, plays for Genoa. Ajax starter/sub, only 21 years old, Vertonghen. Ajax starting defender, also only 22 years old, Thomas Vermaelen. I can name way more 23 and younger players. notice I didn't name older stars like Van Buyten, Simons, etc.

They are wayyy deeper in goalkeeper position. They have 2 goalkeepers that they switch around with which are both as good or better than Hasagic. Their third goalkeeper is better than any other goalkeeper that we have other than Hasagic. Their defense is clearly better than ours on paper, but IDK, our defenders put more emotion on the field I guess. Our midfield is about equal with Belgium's midfield... maybe our starting midfield is just a tad bit better. The only Belgian striker worth mentioning is Dembele (this being from the players called up for the upcoming matches, don't know too much about their strikers... but I'm definately sure our starting strikers are better and definately in better form as well).

For this group, I'm ranking who has the better players:

1) Spain
2) Turkey
3) Belgium
4) Bosnia-Herzegovina
5) and 6) Who gives a ***k

But this is how it will end:

1) Spain (100% sure)
2) Turkey
3) Bosnia-Herzegovina
4) Belgium
5) Armenia
6) Estonia

[VitezBiH]

Did I say it was a known fact? I said "In my opinion."

Don't get me wrong, of course Belgium has good players. They used a lot of the players they had on their Olympic squad, but it didn't work out well for them. You need more than youth. On paper, the squads are about equal but based on the recent results, and based on my own interpretation on their play (I had a chance to see the Turkey-Belgium match), Bosnia are better as of right now.

I could be wrong though, we shall see

[NB-MVP]

Did I say it was a known fact? I said "In my opinion."

Don't get me wrong, of course Belgium has good players. They used a lot of the players they had on their Olympic squad, but it didn't work out well for them. You need more than youth. On paper, the squads are about equal but based on the recent results, and based on my own interpretation on their play (I had a chance to see the Turkey-Belgium match), Bosnia are better as of right now.

I could be wrong though, we shall see

If anything, we're one of the worst teams out there when relating to results.

[VitezBiH]

If anything, we're one of the worst teams out there when relating to results.

We are?

The Ciro NT has had a 0-1 loss to Spain, and a 7-0 win to Estonia. Thats not bad at all.

[Fenerliyim]

lol u guys are all ganging up on the one belgium fan

[NB-MVP]

We are?

The Ciro NT has had a 0-1 loss to Spain, and a 7-0 win to Estonia. Thats not bad at all.

Dude, get a hold of yourself... we haven't won one game in 8 games and we win one game against ESTONIA and automatically you think we're good on paper. And no I don't count that Azeri 1-0 win, I count that as a loss.

Fener, shut up, don't count me in this group. I'm on no one's side, in fact, I'm saying Belgium's better than us.

[VitezBiH]

Dude, get a hold of yourself... we haven't won one game in 8 games and we win one game against ESTONIA and automatically you think we're good on paper. And no I don't count that Azeri 1-0 win, I count that as a loss.

Fener, shut up, don't count me in this group. I'm on no one's side, in fact, I'm saying Belgium's better than us.

:lol: Read some of my earlier posts man, I'm no Bosnian NT fanboy. In fact, I've been quick to critisize people who seem to think we're gonna roll over Turkey because of Estonia. I'm saying the Ciro NT is about equal on paper, and I said based on Belgium's recent performaces, not Bosnia's, but since you wanted to talk about that I said the loss to Spain and the huge win over Estonia arent bad at all.

[Marko91]

I think you guys are on par when it comes to the national team and the qaulity of play, but I think they have more talent than you guys. The only significant young talented player on your squad is Miralem Pjanic.

[zeppos]

If anything, we're one of the worst teams out there when relating to results.
You seem to know a lot about Belgian football :nod:

I wouldn't rate Benteke of Genk that high. Best talent in Belgium today is Geoffrey Mujangi-Bia of Charleroi.

I have much respect for Bosnian football, so I'm just teasing all the Bosnia lads around here :whoo:

I can't wait for March-April. It will be key games for both of us.

But I am very confident. Why? Because never before, I have seen that much talent in Belgium :faint2:

[Saraj Fanatico]

Nermin, you can have the most magical and wonderful young players in the world but when you have no chemistry or much experience you can throw that down the toilet. There is more to a National Team then where the players play at!!!! Look at Croatia, their team doesn't have that many players which you can honestly call football superhouses, but the Croats have game. They have chemistry! They know each others style and positioning. Belgium's sloppy defense vs Estonia and poor game vs Morocco back a couple of months ago makes me believe that they are not ahead of us at all. Again Nermin, let go off the f***ing stats and prices already! That means nothing when it comes to a team. Look at England which has a team that should be winning major tournaments yet they still blew Euro 08...exactly. Same story with Belgium.

[VitezBiH]

Nermin, you can have the most magical and wonderful young players in the world but when you have no chemistry or much experience you can throw that down the toilet. There is more to a National Team then where the players play at!!!! Look at Croatia, their team doesn't have that many players which you can honestly call football superhouses, but the Croats have game. They have chemistry! They know each others style and positioning. Belgium's sloppy defense vs Estonia and poor game vs Morocco back a couple of months ago makes me believe that they are not ahead of us at all. Again Nermin, let go off the f***ing stats and prices already! That means nothing when it comes to a team. Look at England which has a team that should be winning major tournaments yet they still blew Euro 08...exactly. Same story with Belgium.


Exactly, raw talent is not enough.

[NB-MVP]

You seem to know a lot about Belgian football :nod:

I wouldn't rate Benteke of Genk that high. Best talent in Belgium today is Geoffrey Mujangi-Bia of Charleroi.

I have much respect for Bosnian football, so I'm just teasing all the Bosnia lads around here :whoo:

I can't wait for March-April. It will be key games for both of us.

But I am very confident. Why? Because never before, I have seen that much talent in Belgium :faint2:

Yeah, I want to set things straight between Belgium and Bosnia in March/April. I think Belgium has more quantity of talented players than Bosnia does, which will give you the upper hand if one of your players gets injured.

[NB-MVP]

Nermin, you can have the most magical and wonderful young players in the world but when you have no chemistry or much experience you can throw that down the toilet. There is more to a National Team then where the players play at!!!! Look at Croatia, their team doesn't have that many players which you can honestly call football superhouses, but the Croats have game. They have chemistry! They know each others style and positioning. Belgium's sloppy defense vs Estonia and poor game vs Morocco back a couple of months ago makes me believe that they are not ahead of us at all. Again Nermin, let go off the f***ing stats and prices already! That means nothing when it comes to a team. Look at England which has a team that should be winning major tournaments yet they still blew Euro 08...exactly. Same story with Belgium.

Didn't say they will beat us. Simply explained how they have more talented players than us. Prove to me they don't. I'm tired of people saying "Belgium sucks... we'll beat them easily... etc.". Well well... they tied Turkey 1-1 in ISTANBUL, a place we'll need a whole lot of luck to even draw. Keep underestimating them, but in my books, they're better than us. If they find the right form of chemistry, they could end 2nd. But they DON'T. That's the difference. As for us... we have chemistry most of the time... but few times... it's all gone. Consistency is lacking.

[VitezBiH]

No one said Belgium sucks.

[Fenerliyim]

belgium sucks

there i said it

lol

[Marko91]

I think some of the Bosnian members are way too confident. Just becuase you gave Spain a run for their money and destroyed Estonia doesn't make you guys all of a sudden great. Some of the Bosnian members were saying they are going to beat Turkey 3-0 or 4-0, which is completely outregous. I think you guys need to come back down to Earth. You guys aren't world class.

[VitezBiH]

I think some of the Bosnian members are way too confident. Just becuase you gave Spain a run for their money and destroyed Estonia doesn't make you guys all of a sudden great. Some of the Bosnian members were saying they are going to beat Turkey 3-0 or 4-0, which is completely outregous. I think you guys need to come back down to Earth. You guys aren't world class.

Good point Marko, thats what I've been saying for a long time now. We are not going to destroy Turkey, this is completely stupid, anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that.

[Marko91]

When your confidence rises than your expectations rise as well. You all of a sudden expect your team to do well and win every game, not knowing the true quality of your team. High expectations with low quality can be a dreadful combination.

[SiN]

turkey will win the remiaing of there matches and top this group





there i said it

[NB-MVP]

Jebiga... samo je fudbal.

[tdr]

^ it's more than that - it's the way of life

lol people think just because we trashed Estonia we think we are good and can beat turkey - trust me my friend that win means to me same as 1:0 win

even if we didn't win that game I would still say we can beat turkey since it's pure truth - we have done it before and we will do it again

yes we lost once against turkey but that was a weak game where they scored on our mistake

[NB-MVP]

lol we could've won 1-0 having 1 chance and 5% possession against Estonia. 3 points is 3 points. It's either you win, draw, or lose. Against Spain, we could've lost 100-0 and still not get any points. We simply... lost.

[A(Bosancero)]

When your confidence rises than your expectations rise as well. You all of a sudden expect your team to do well and win every game, not knowing the true quality of your team. High expectations with low quality can be a dreadful combination.

Thats the thing Marko people who get "Excited" Say we are going to kill them then we get slaughtered so all those bosnian fans who think we will kill all the teams and finish first keep dreaming.

[tdr]

Group 5
Teams Gms W D L GD Pts
Spain 3 3 0 0 8:0 9
Belgium 3 2 1 0 6:3 7
Turkey 3 2 1 0 5:2 7
BiH 3 1 0 2 8:3 3
Armenia 3 0 0 3 0:8 0
Estonia 3 0 0 3 2:13 0

Matches:

06/09/08
Armenia 0 – 2 Turkey
Belgium 3 – 2 Estonia
Spain 1 – 0 Bosnia-Herzegovina

10/09/08
Turkey 1 – 1 Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina 7 – 0 Estonia
Spain 4 – 0 Armenia

__________________

11/10/08
Turkey 2 – 1 Bosnia-Herzegovina
Belgium 2 – 0 Armenia
Estonia 0 – 3 Spain

15/10/08
Bosnia-Herzegovina - Armenia
Estonia - Turkey
Belgium - Spain

__________________


28/03/09
Armenia – Estonia
Belgium – Bosnia-Herzegovina
Spain – Turkey

01/04/09
Estonia – Armenia
Bosnia-Herzegovina – Belgium
Turkey – Spain

__________________


05/09/09
Armenia - Bosnia-Herzegovina
Spain – Belgium
Turkey – Estonia

09/09/09
Spain – Estonia
Armenia – Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina – Turkey


__________________



10/10/09
Armenia – Spain
Belgium – Turkey
Estonia - Bosnia-Herzegovina

14/10/09
Estonia – Belgium
Turkey – Armenia
Bosnia-Herzegovina – Spain

[Raul_Madrid#7]

another win and another clean sheet for spain.

[LindavG]

I have been a fan of the Spanish national team for years now so I hope they'll do well and maybe even take the Cup home. I have no doubt they will qualify. It would be nice if our "little brothers" (just kidding) from Belgium make it too, it's always nice to have a bit of extra rivalry ;) But to be honest they haven't really concinced me so far. 3-2 against a team that is ranked 137 isn't that great and the 1-1 against Turkey said more about the Turkish team that really underperformed than about the Belgian team, even though it's of course a great result to get a point in Instanbul. To win against Armenia (ranked 101) is not really an indication of quality either. If they win or draw against Spain that would be an achievement and a sign that the 'Red Devils' can really compete with the European powerhouses. But like I said, I hope they make it because it would be great for football in Belgium and I like our friendly rivalry :) I expect (and hope) the table to look like this in the end:

1. Spain
2. Belgium
3. Turkey
4. Bosnia & Herzegovina
5. Armenia
6. Estonia

[VitezBiH]

Spain and Belgium have a rivalry? :shocked:

Can you really call it a rivalry if it's one sided? :lol:

[LindavG]

Spain and Belgium have a rivalry? :shocked:

Can you really call it a rivalry if it's one sided? :lol:

Huh? No I come from the Netherlands (Holland) and we have a bit of a rivalry because we're neighbours and speak the same language (the people in the north of Belgium speak Dutch too). It is friendly on our side but I've noticed some Belgians are a bit hostile towards Holland.