Group 1

[Saraj Fanatico]

Group 1:

Portugal
Sweden
Denmark
Hungary
Albania
Malta



Thoughts? Are you happy with the draw your nation got? What will be the exciting match up in this one? What are your teams chances of making it? Share your thoughts!

[COMEGATOS]

Mmm, this group will be so interesting :D
But I think it will eneded up

-Portugal
-Sweeden

[shevafan]

lol sweden portugal and denmark are in the same group again =)

[Italianduke]

Probably the most competitive group.

Portugal isn't a top team like the real bigs, while Sweden and Denmark are pretty similar. All 3 have similar chances to qualify

[Bigpappys_gun]

Sweden first, Portugal and Denmark for second

[misteradelaide]

It will be fun to see Denmark host Sweden again. Especially after what happened earlier this year in the Euro qualifiers . . . :evil:

[Andygers]

Sweden, I think will take the group with Portugal second.

[stuglue]

Hmmm,well if The Curse Of The Semi Final is correct then Portugal won't qualify for 2010 BUT i think Sweden and Denmark are both on the down turn at the moment so Portugal should qualify.Hungary aren't a threat and Albania and Malta are just there to make up the numbers

[wales]

I think this is the the hardest group. (Portugal could struggle)

[Lusitânia Power]

oh, I don't like this...Portugal always loses or draws against Sweden in home soil...and Denmark are also a threat...but it's our luck, and Portugal is going to handle it, or not :S

[Vic]

I'm pretty satisfied with the draw. I wanted Portugal or Greece from pot 1. However it's sad that we got Denmark in the same draw again. I don't like to play against our brothers, I want us both to go through..

[Andygers]

i would be pretty satisfied with that draw!!!!

[Bosnian Unit]

I feel sorry for Albania, this is group of ''death'' in my eyes.

Portugal and Sweden should grap first two spots.

[SiN]

Top seeds Portugal and Sweden should both advance from a group in which they have been drawn to play each other competitively for the first time since the qualifying competition for Euro 88. Scandinavian rivals Sweden and Denmark were also drawn in the same qualifying group for Euro 2008. Their match in Copenhagen in June was abandoned when a Danish fan came on the field and attacked a referee.

[Vic]

Portugal seems to struggle in Q'iers but they will grap one of the 2 first spots for sure.

Denmark and Sweden will take the other one.

I have respect for Albania and Hungary. It's not going to be easy to take home all 12 points from these nations.

[Aneke]

I'm not too happy about the draw, but it could've been worse. I am glad we avoided Germany and to some extent France. Portugal has an excellent team. As I've said months before this draw, Portugals younger players make their future extremely bright.

I'm unhappy we drew with Denmark. Denmark and Ukraine were the toughest teams from group 3 IMO.

My prediction is that Portugal finish 1st, Sweden 2nd

[Aneke]

Probably the most competitive group.

Portugal isn't a top team like the real bigs, while Sweden and Denmark are pretty similar. All 3 have similar chances to qualify

I would disagree with your take on Portugal. It's of course absolutely true that Portugal doesn't have the impressive history that the big dragons have but they were a EC 2004 finalist and 2006 WC semi-finalist and perhaps has the strongest youngsters in Europe. I think their glory days lays ahead of them :/ , unfortunately.

Though I'll keep my fingers crossed that your assesment is closer to the truth. Especially since I do not give Denmark the same chances as Sweden.

[wales]

I think Sweden could claim 1st place.

[Fenerliyim]

Honestly i dont see any competition here, Portugal and Ibra will go to the WC, i doubt the danes can qualify, and like someone else said malta and albania are there just to fill up space

[Jadhu]

I Hope Sweden would be number 1 from this group. And I also hope that Sweden would beat portugal in both games(Where Finland didn't succes in euro2008 qualifiers ;)). Most likely Portugal and Sweden will be 1 & 2 but Denmark can be get there too.. Really hard to predict yet.

[Aneke]

I Hope Sweden would be number 1 from this group. And I also hope that Sweden would beat portugal in both games(Where Finland didn't succes in euro2008 qualifiers ;)). Most likely Portugal and Sweden will be 1 & 2 but Denmark can be get there too.. Really hard to predict yet.


:faint2: :faint2:

Stop the presses!!, a Finn that would cheer for Sweden!?. That's something you don't see everyday, kitos.

[Gunner]

1. Portugal
2. Sweden

[Jadhu]

:faint2: :faint2:

Stop the presses!!, a Finn that would cheer for Sweden!?. That's something you don't see everyday, kitos.


In Football some of us do that cause Finland sucks and you guys are allways in the WC or Eurocup.. In any other sport we won't cheer on you.

[Andygers]

^ Lol I can never imagine myself supporting England when they are in a competition and were not. In fact I support all the teams that are playing them :D

[stuglue]

^ Lol I can never imagine myself supporting England when they are in a competition and were not. In fact I support all the teams that are playing them
A common Scottish,Welsh,Irish reaction.I always cheer on the home nations in WC's and Euro's,just seems a long time since i last did.Still,got to say though,Morocco 3 Scotland 0 France 98 was another epic defeat for the Jocks,class.

[emode]

1. Portugal
2. Sweden
I agree :)

[Aneke]

In Football some of us do that cause Finland sucks and you guys are allways in the WC or Eurocup.. In any other sport we won't cheer on you.

Well I'm just shocked you would cheer for us in any sport. I will say that I sincerely was hoping Finland would make it this year. I don't know if you've ever been in a EC or a WC but this year you were very close.

Now when the next hockey tourney starts, I will get great satisfaction to see Finland lose to any team.

[wales]

A common Scottish,Welsh,Irish reaction.I always cheer on the home nations in WC's and Euro's,just seems a long time since i last did.Still,got to say though,Morocco 3 Scotland 0 France 98 was another epic defeat for the Jocks,class.

Lol Last time Morocco were there.

[RonDeco]

1 Portugal
2 Swedan
(i hope)

A Strong Group!

[Vic]

I can't wait for the QF's..

Portugal and Sweden should grap the first two spots.

[vojvoda]

Tough group! Portugal, Sweden and Denmark are the favorites.
1. Portugalija
2. Svedska

Most likely but Danes and Albanians are tough teams and could produce a surprise or two in the group.

Go Portugal!

[NB-MVP]

Denmark and Sweden are about on par, maybe Sweden just a bit better. Portugal is a class above any of these teams though, seriously, every player in their starting lineup is world class and they play exotic football combined with the fast pace, strength, stamina you see in Germany, England, etc.

[A(Bosancero)]

portugal and sweden go through no doubt

[Aneke]

But what is the deal ?. This year, FIFA cut spots from the European division so now there is NO direct qualification for any No.2 from Europe or am I wrong ?

[Andygers]

But what is the deal ?. This year, FIFA cut spots from the European division so now there is NO direct qualification for any No.2 from Europe or am I wrong ? That is correct, what happens is that at the end of the campaign all the 2nd place teams points get put into a league and then the 8 best second place teams go into a play off and 4 go into the competition...well thats what I think anyway.

[DinoMostarac]

This is how I see it.

Portugal
Sweden
Denmark
Albania
Hungary
Malta

[Andygers]

This is how I see it.

Portugal
Sweden
Denmark
Albania
Hungary
Malta I'd tend to agree with that...

[Vic]

Looks like a very realistic ranking.. However Portugal is up and down in the Q's and has a way of losing points to 'weaker' teams such as Albania, Hungary.. Sweden has one of the best records in Europe in qualifying and knows how to get to the big events.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sweden tops the group when it's over.

[NB-MVP]

Well they topped Spain didn't they ?

[Prowler92]

Albania's gonna make a surprise for these QS by making the first good step against sweden on Saturday.

[A(Bosancero)]

Sweden and Portugal for sure! Denmark will be tough to pass

[A(Bosancero)]

Well they topped Spain didn't they ?

Nope Sweden got second in their group right above N.Ireland

[Andygers]

Sweden are one of the top team in Europe. They qualified into World Cup 2006 and Euro 2008. Without any pressure, they will loose up in first qualifying game. In addition, Sweden not doing so good when away. Go for Albania. Home team can always create surprise! Albania are a decent side and should have beaten Holland in the EURO 2008 qualifiers, however I can see Sweden winning that one.

[Aneke]

Looks like a very realistic ranking.. However Portugal is up and down in the Q's and has a way of losing points to 'weaker' teams such as Albania, Hungary.. Sweden has one of the best records in Europe in qualifying and knows how to get to the big events.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sweden tops the group when it's over.

After matchday 1, should we lower our expecatations haha ;)

GREAT! news though. Denmark drew in Hungary. Sweden has the capacity to beat Hungary away. I think Sweden's WC QF chances will be decided early. Either they beat Hungary on wednesday or they can forget the 1st spot :/. Should they lose...it would be devestating.

I hope they beat Hungary, I have tix for the game against Portugal at home and I want the dream to live on.

[Vic]

Don't worry Viking we WILL win over Hungary, Nothing has changed yet, Albania is tough to beat away and as you said Denmark drew against Hungary.

Portugal and Denmark will lose points to Albania aswell. :)

[A(Bosancero)]

Don't worry Viking we WILL win over Hungary, Nothing has changed yet, Albania is tough to beat away and as you said Denmark drew against Hungary.

Portugal and Denmark will lose points to Albania aswell. :)

lol hungary will screw you! we learned our lesson last year be careful!

[Vic]

I don't think so dude. No disrespect man but Sweden are classes better than Bosnia and we are a better team than Hungary. If we play at our best and Hungary does it aswell we will win comfortable.

2-0.

[A(Bosancero)]

where are you playing? in stockholm its all right we were in some deep do do back then so there is nothing wrong about what you said

[Aneke]

Don't worry Viking we WILL win over Hungary, Nothing has changed yet, Albania is tough to beat away and as you said Denmark drew against Hungary.

Portugal and Denmark will lose points to Albania aswell. :)

I hope you're right.

Sigh, I just can't help but feel like Lagerbäck's prestige is valued higher than the future of our NT. He should've been sacked after the Euro and now it's defensive tactics and wasting world-class attacking qualities...and for what. So 1 man can save face and not get sacked.

[NB-MVP]

Arguably the toughest group in the qualifiers.

Albania currently stand 1st place ahead of Portugal, Denmark, and Sweden. Great job, hopefully you keep this up and qualify, :). I really think Albania's pretty decent side and much improved over the years.

[A(Bosancero)]

No Eastern Europe has improved over the years more and more teams there are winning!

[Vic]

I agree with Nermin. It's probably the toughest group in European Qualifying..

[Andygers]

I agree with Nermin. It's probably the toughest group in European Qualifying.. I don't know, I think that groups 5 and 6 are tougher to be honest.

[DC92]

Group 8 looks pretty tough too.

[NB-MVP]

Well Group 5 and Group 1 look the toughest. Nothing better than watching Denmark, Sweden, Portugal, and minor teams like Hungary and Albania killing each other.

[A(Bosancero)]

And European Champs, Spain, Turkey and Belgium go and try to destroy each other! Btw we are going to finish 4th.

[Aneke]

Without rating Sweden, I think we got very tough opponents. As I've said prior to the groups being drawn, Portugal has the brightest future in Europe. So many young players that are dominant in their clubs. Portugal was tough but what pot 1 team isn't. Sweden and Portugal has both qualified for 5 straight championships, perhaps this year will break the streak for one of the teams.

From group 3, Denmark was without question a very tough draw. Ukraine or Denmark were the 2 teams you wanted to avoid from this group. Anything beyond the top 3 is irrelevant. They are all teams to beat for a WC/EC worthy team.

[DinoMostarac]

And European Champs, Spain, Turkey and Belgium go and try to destroy each other! Btw we are going to finish 4th.

Hopefully we end up in fourth. Armenia is no slouch, and we should watch out for them.

[boris4c]

Portugal 0-0 Albania

[R2N]

Portugal 0-0 Albania

lol

what a poor game, specially in the first half...if we keep playing like this i don't think we'll qualify for the WC.

Anyway...congrats to Albania, they defended very well even playing with 10 players since the 1st half.

[Aneke]

I arrived at a pub and Portugal - Albania was on, 81st minute. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I knew they were playing tonight but I couldn't care less since I thought Portugal would win for sure at home.

This result was awesome.

[stuglue]

[Denmark] Denmark 3 2 1 0 6 2 7
[Hungary] Hungary 4 2 1 1 4 2 7
[Portugal] Portugal 4 1 2 1 6 3 5
[Albania] Albania 4 1 2 1 3 2 5
[Sweden] Sweden 3 1 2 0 2 1 5
[Malta] Malta 4 0 0 4 0 11 0

[Purple Madness]

Portugal better fire Queiroz...
For the second time (first in '94), he's going to fail get Portugal in the world cup

[benfica64]

Portugal will get this shit together and start playing their game. They have played some good games and the games they tied still dominated, simply didnt get the breaks in having the goals go in. I do agree I think the current manager isnt perhaps not the best choice to guide the team. But time will tell.

[son_of_a_Turk]

Portugal will win it. I don't see the runner up for this group to qualify.

[benfica64]

Portugal will win it. I don't see the runner up for this group to qualify.

I agree with you, I think in the end when its all said and done Portugal will either be in first or second and qualify. Portugal has a tendency to start slow in these qualifiers as they did last time around, then they wake up :lol: and do whats need to get into the tournament. Portugal "usually" is a Team that gets Better and better as the tournament goes down the road. This standing is pretty typical of how they play at this stage, in qualifiers. Not always but in general.

[Aneke]

They have played some good games and the games they tied still dominated, simply didnt get the breaks in having the goals go in.

That's a blatant lie if you think Portugal dominated the game in Stockholm. Post-match, that game was a 2 point loss for Sweden. The only reason it ended in a draw was because Elmander had a VERY hard time scoring on the 3-4 instant goal oppurtunities he had. Larsson has never been as missed as for that match.

[wales]

Portugal not winning their home games, interesting.

[Aneke]

Sweden basically did their job in this game (Portugal away). The main focus was to put Portugal behind rather than Sweden ahead. This group is still rather open. Sweden still has 2 games against Malta (6 points) and the games against Denmark will be crucial. Hungary is doing beyond alright.


This group is turning out to be a real scare, the 2nd place might not get the chance to get a play-off match.

[son_of_a_Turk]

Portugal is in a similar situation with Turkey. They are both 4 pts behind the 2nd team in their group with 4 matches remaining. But Portugal has more chance and they have their destiny in their hands, because they will be playing the 2nd place Hungary twice, 1st place Denmark once and shitty Malta once.

Where as Turkey will play the current 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th place teams. And will hope that the 2nd place team will also lose extra points.


Let's see which of these two quality powerhouses will dig their way into the world cup. It certainly will suck to see the likes of Portugal, Turkey, Czech Republic, Romania not being in the World Cup. I believe Portugal can make it. They are playing Hungary twice and they are going to show their quality. If Turkey would play Bosnia twice, I wouldn't doubt Turkey would make it, too.

1) Denmark
2) Portugal

I predict to see both these teams in South Africa.

[Milos S.]

I agree with you, I think in the end when its all said and done Portugal will either be in first or second and qualify. Portugal has a tendency to start slow in these qualifiers as they did last time around, then they wake up :lol: and do whats need to get into the tournament. Portugal "usually" is a Team that gets Better and better as the tournament goes down the road. This standing is pretty typical of how they play at this stage, in qualifiers. Not always but in general.

Do you remember when we, Serbia, grab a draw against Portugal in Lisboa, Ivanovic in 90 min..? Good match, Portugal was beter... And behavior of Scolari was shamefull, when he hits Ivica Dragutinovic. We were eliminated in Kasakhstan, whithout losing in all six home-away matches against Portugal, Poland and Finland..

[Saraj Fanatico]

Sweden is pretty much out of the race and Portugal is fighting to keep up. Portugal plays twice vs Hungary and I think they will lose and win one game.

@ SOAT: Keep this Group 1, not Group 5.

[Vic]

We have the same points as Portugal (if we win against Malta tonight). That is 2 wins 3 draws 1 loss.

On the 5th of September it will all clear out a bit cause Denmark will face Portugal and Sweden Hungary.

It will be a massive battle towards the end for the 2nd spot.

Don't count us off just yet :)

[Aneke]

We have the same points as Portugal (if we win against Malta tonight). That is 2 wins 3 draws 1 loss.

On the 5th of September it will all clear out a bit cause Denmark will face Portugal and Sweden Hungary.

It will be a massive battle towards the end for the 2nd spot.

Don't count us off just yet :)

Well the no.2 of this group looks to be the worst of Europe and lose out on a WC :(

That's so unfair it makes my head explode. And I did think so before the QF even started. If you grind yourself through the European campaign, you atleast! deserve to get a play-off match.

[~zero_signal~]

Well the no.2 of this group looks to be the worst of Europe and lose out on a WC :(

That's so unfair it makes my head explode. And I did think so before the QF even started. If you grind yourself through the European campaign, you atleast! deserve to get a play-off match.

I agree. To add to that, for me, this group was the hardest along with group 3 and 7. Some of the other groups (e.g. 8 and 9) were pancake groups from the start.

[LindavG]

I agree. To add to that, for me, this group was the hardest along with group 3 and 7. Some of the other groups (e.g. 8 and 9) were pancake groups from the start.

Group 3 :shocked: Group 3 is one of the easiest groups around, I doesn't contain even one European powerhouse! I mean if Slovakia and Northern Ireland can be the nr 1 and nr 2, that should tell you something about the quality of that group (no offense to those teams). The Czech Rep. isn't what it used to be. The only team from that group that is remotedly worthy of being present at the World Cup is Poland. Are you seriously telling me that you think group 3 is harder than group 4 (Germany, Russia, Finland), group 5 (Spain, Turkey, Bosnia, Belgium), group 6 (England, Croatia, Ukraine) and group 7 (Serbia, France, Romania)?? :shocked: The other two easier groups (8 and 9) contain at least one big European team (Italy and the Netherlands). For me the easiest group is group 2, then group 3 and then group 9. The hardest group is group 6, then group 1 and then group 5.

[~zero_signal~]

Group 3 :shocked: Group 3 is one of the easiest groups around, I doesn't contain even one European powerhouse! I mean if Slovakia and Northern Ireland can be the nr 1 and nr 2, that should tell you something about the quality of that group (no offense to those teams). The Czech Rep. isn't what it used to be. The only team from that group that is remotedly worthy of being present at the World Cup is Poland. Are you seriously telling me that you think group 3 is harder than group 4 (Germany, Russia, Finland), group 5 (Spain, Turkey, Bosnia, Belgium), group 6 (England, Croatia, Ukraine) and group 7 (Serbia, France, Romania)?? :shocked: The other two easier groups (8 and 9) contain at least one big European team (Italy and the Netherlands). For me the easiest group is group 2, then group 3 and then group 9. The hardest group is group 6, then group 1 and then group 5.

A group isn't necessarily difficult just because it has a European powerhouse. I agree with you in that there are no powerhouses in group 3.

Having said that, group 3 is without doubt one of the most balanced groups. Why? Because 4 of the 6 sides are very evenly balanced, and at the commencement of these UEFA qualifiers, all 4 sides had much more than half a chance of making it to the WC in 2010.

Poland hasn't convinced me in ages -- its performances in the last 2 WCs were obviously very average because they couldn't handle the big stage. However, they seem to do quite well in WC qualifiers. They also have very capable players, which makes their qualifying journey seem somewhat straightforward, with minor problems.

Slovenia has been improving bit by bit over the years. I've been following their progress and I've noticed that they can play some very good football. They are underrated because on paper nobody rates them. They are very capable of beating some more well known European teams, like Belgium, the Republic of Ireland and Norway.

The Czechs haven't been a power for years, but they are always capable of pushing a European powerhouse. They aren't great by any means, but they play very good football.

Slovakia is hugely underrated. They have a very good team, one that seems to be solid in most areas. They're rated about as highly as Ecuador, which is a shame, because both are quite strong.

As for the groups that you've mentioned as being difficult:

If I see a group where only 2-3 teams have a chance, and the rest have absolutely no chance, then they're among the easiest for me. Group 5 is one of the easiest. Spain, Turkey and Bosnia and Herzegovina are the only teams with a realistic chance of making it to South Africa. The rest are simply not enough competition. Spain was always going to win this group. The question was who would come 2nd -- which was only a battle between 2 teams.

Group 6 is very similar. England was always going to win the group. Battle for 2nd was always going to be between 2 teams, not 3 or 4 (like group 3). Croatia and Ukraine are those 2 teams. The other 3 have no chance.

What I'm getting at here is that groups 5 and 6 are one-sided. Group 3 is very balanced, which makes it harder. Moreover, group 5 has 1 average team (Belgium) and 2 'easy-beats' (Estonia and Armenia). Group 6 has 1 average team (Belarus) and 2 'easy-beats' (Kazakhstan and Andorra). These 6 aforementioned teams are what I would call 'easy points'.

You don't get this in group 3. There is only 1 'easy-beat' (San Marino). The rest are very balanced. If you look at things from this point of view, groups 1, 3 and 7 are the most difficult because they are the most balanced.

[A(Bosancero)]

What I'm getting at here is that groups 5 and 6 are one-sided. Group 3 is very balanced, which makes it harder. Moreover, group 5 has 1 average team (Belgium) and 2 'easy-beats' (Estonia and Armenia). Group 6 has 1 average team (Belarus) and 2 'easy-beats' (Kazakhstan and Andorra). These 6 aforementioned teams are what I would call 'easy points'.

You don't get this in group 3. There is only 1 'easy-beat' (San Marino). The rest are very balanced. If you look at things from this point of view, groups 1, 3 and 7 are the most difficult because they are the most balanced.

I wouldn't call them "Easy Beats" because Estonia did indeed tie Turkey, and Armenia caused similar problems for the offense of Turkey in Yerevan. So don't doubt the two. Estonia actually played harder then Spain in the first 20 min of the game, until the scoring began.

[~zero_signal~]

I wouldn't call them "Easy Beats" because Estonia did indeed tie Turkey, and Armenia caused similar problems for the offense of Turkey in Yerevan. So don't doubt the two. Estonia actually played harder then Spain in the first 20 min of the game, until the scoring began.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but even if both teams did look solid in large parts of those games, they weren't going to pose a serious challenge to the three dominant sides in this group.

[Željin Zmaj]

In the last couple of games:

Estonia 0-0 Portugal
Estonia 0-0 Turkey

It's going to be hard for BiH to score in Tallinn. It's not as easy as you think. Estonia is not Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, San Marino, etc. And Armenia to me is better than Estonia. They have a few players in Russian league actually.

[Saraj Fanatico]

I don't mean to sound harsh, but even if both teams did look solid in large parts of those games, they weren't going to pose a serious challenge to the three dominant sides in this group.

Its all about the attitude you go in with. If Spain, BiH, and Turkey take their games against these teams seriously enough then I doubt they can pull off surprises but if you conclude you have won another 3 points against them before even kick off, you will be surprised. at how hard things will be.

You Australian right? Or you just living there?

[Željin Zmaj]

And it's not just Spain, Turkey, and Bosnia, what about Belgium ?

They have players in Everton, Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Manchester United, Ajax (x3), PSV, Alkmaar (x4), Manchester City, Genoa, Bologna, Lille, have players wanted by the biggest clubs in the world, and their league is relatively strong with teams like Standard Liege and Anderlecht who can both compete with average top 5 league teams. They have some of the hottest young prospects like Axel Witsel, Defour, Hazard, Dembele, De Laet (20 years old playing for ManU), Vertonghen, Kompany, Fellaini, etc. Why did you ignore them in your post?

This is a 4-team group, not just 3-team. Group 5 is the strongest group. Belgium who will probably finish 4th would finish 1st in Switzerland's group and also in Slovakia's group.

[~zero_signal~]

Its all about the attitude you go in with. If Spain, BiH, and Turkey take their games against these teams seriously enough then I doubt they can pull off surprises but if you conclude you have won another 3 points against them before even kick off, you will be surprised. at how hard things will be.

You Australian right? Or you just living there?

Chilean-Australian.

[~zero_signal~]

And it's not just Spain, Turkey, and Bosnia, what about Belgium ?

They have players in Everton, Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Manchester United, Ajax (x3), PSV, Alkmaar (x4), Manchester City, Genoa, Bologna, Lille, have players wanted by the biggest clubs in the world, and their league is relatively strong with teams like Standard Liege and Anderlecht who can both compete with average top 5 league teams. They have some of the hottest young prospects like Axel Witsel, Defour, Hazard, Dembele, De Laet (20 years old playing for ManU), Vertonghen, Kompany, Fellaini, etc. Why did you ignore them in your post?

This is a 4-team group, not just 3-team. Group 5 is the strongest group. Belgium who will probably finish 4th would finish 1st in Switzerland's group and also in Slovakia's group.

Dude, c'mon. Spain is a European power. Turkey is somewhat of a giant-killer. Bosnia and Herzegovina is a darkhorse.

Belgium has a proud history, but what have they done in recent years? Absent in EURO 2004. Absent in EURO 2008. In the 2006 WC qualifiers they were drawn in the same group as Spain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia and Montenegro. They almost finished 5th behind Lithuania.

You've mentioned some good Belgian players in a handful of competitive European leagues, but that doesn't change the fact that their NT is very average and overrated. This isn't the 1986 WC Belgian side that we're talking about here.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it surprises me how such teams can be rated as highly as some other European NTs just because they're European. The entire team plays in competitive European leagues, so that would lead many to believe that they're a good team. Ecuador is considerably stronger than Belgium and most of its players play in Ecuador. Get the picture?

[Nit]

God Bless zero signal. You on your uni break yet? i just started mine :D

Nevertheless i do agree with Zero Signal. Nermin before bosna played belgium you were uttering how bad they were this and that, how they didnt stand a chance. Yes they have an up and coming team, but there in a transition phase right now and to say they are a good current NT is a big call. Calling them a good NT in the future, is very different. They have great all round players in all positions and shouldn't be underestimated. but saying they are one of the better teams currently in the world cannot be agreed apon

[Željin Zmaj]

I think Belgium has improved, and is improving for the future better than even some of the superpower nations. What makes them different this qualifications is the fact that they could've (and maybe should've) beaten Spain at home (Spain scored a last minute goal) and Belgium had numerous promising chances, while in Istanbul, Turkey, they drew the Turks 1-1. Istanbul is a place where Turkey always wins in competitive matches. It's definately an improvement. I think it's just their coach that makes Belgium crap alot, but that team is actually pretty good if you know how to use the players right and connect them like a jigsaw puzzle.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Whats funny is that ever since Belgium lost to us on a total of 6-3 people call their side as being cheap and not serious, but what it they are a good side? What if they are a really good side but the problem is that BiH is too damn kick ass at the moment? Anyone thought of that? Yea..

Losing against us will not be something new soon, once all our boys reach their peak points.

[Željin Zmaj]

No one takes Belgium seriously because Bosnia beat them. Before that, both Turkey and Spain feared Belgium. And to be honest, they should've beaten Spain, and they already tied Turkey. I think Lindav mentioned that she wishes Holland had the defense that Belgium has. Belgium is a serious side on paper, but some of you refuse to believe anything because they fell twice to BiH.

[LindavG]

No one takes Belgium seriously because Bosnia beat them. Before that, both Turkey and Spain feared Belgium. And to be honest, they should've beaten Spain, and they already tied Turkey. I think Lindav mentioned that she wishes Holland had the defense that Belgium has. Belgium is a serious side on paper, but some of you refuse to believe anything because they fell twice to BiH.

Well, maybe not their whole defense but guys like Vermaelen, Vertonghen and Kompany would be in our selection for sure if they were Dutch, possibly even in the starting line-up. I agree with your previous post that it's mostly due to the coach that Belgium isn't performing as well as they could. That guy is a cancer to the team, he should have left after the failed WC qualifiers and most Belgians wanted him gone. The games against Turkey and Spain were exceptions, positive surprises but it was certainly not thanks to the coach that they played well in those games. Finally the Belgian FA realized that this couldn't go on any longer and now Belgium's got a quality coach (Advocaat - now Zenit coach) although he hasn't started yet, I think he will take over the team in January but I'm not sure. With Advocaat this Belgium team should be able to qualify for Euro 2012 if you look at the players they've got. They're certainly in the top 20 of Europe if the team plays to its potential.

[Željin Zmaj]

In 5-6 years, I have no doubts that Belgium may be among the best in Europe considering they have more young talents than even some superpower nations. All they need to get set is good coach, good FA, good chemistry, etc., because their team on paper is pretty much set for the next 10 years. and yeah Linda, you pretty much said everything.

[Cole Train]

Belguim already have a good fa, their team have some good talents but they have not matured yet. There a wait and see type of team, we will have to see if there youth matches to their hype in the future.

[LindavG]

Belguim already have a good fa, their team have some good talents but they have not matured yet. There a wait and see type of team, we will have to see if there youth matches to their hype in the future.

I disagree. Their FA lacks decisiveness. In the case of the NT coach, they should have gotten rid of VDE a loooong time ago. And we want to organize the World Cup 2018 together with Belgium, but while we're already making serious plans, they've hardly even started. If they had our FA, they would have had better stadiums, better facilities, better youth academies and a better organization. And VDE would've been fired after the World Cup 2006 qualifiers. The Belgian FA may not be corrupt (at least there's no reason to assume that) but they aren't functioning as well as they could/should. The signing of Advocaat as NT coach is a breath of fresh air and hopefully a sign that the Belgian FA is changing and taking more risks :)

[Cole Train]

I disagree. Their FA lacks decisiveness. In the case of the NT coach, they should have gotten rid of VDE a loooong time ago. And we want to organize the World Cup 2018 together with Belgium, but while we're already making serious plans, they've hardly even started. If they had our FA, they would have had better stadiums, better facilities, better youth academies and a better organization. And VDE would've been fired after the World Cup 2006 qualifiers. The Belgian FA may not be corrupt (at least there's no reason to assume that) but they aren't functioning as well as they could/should. The signing of Advocaat as NT coach is a breath of fresh air and hopefully a sign that the Belgian FA is changing and taking more risks :)

Yes but in comparison to the Bosnian FA, the Belgain FA is like a Swiss bank. They already have good money, stadiums and are not corrupt like their Bosnian counter-parts. Also, you can't hide the fact that most people were not against VDE, and many thought he was an alright manager before Belguim lost to us twice. 6 months ago - Belguim was sitting in third place just 1 point behind 2nd, now Bosnia is in 2nd and 4 points ahead of Belguim :D

[son_of_a_Turk]

Well, I guess we need to define what do we mean by the hardest group.


Is it the more number of good teams or the more on-the-same-level teams in one group?


If it is the more number of good teams,
Group 5 and 6 have the edge.

If it is, the more same level teams in one group,
Group 2 and 3 have the edge.

[Saraj Fanatico]

Yes but in comparison to the Bosnian FA, the Belgain FA is like a Swiss bank. They already have good money, stadiums and are not corrupt like their Bosnian counter-parts. Also, you can't hide the fact that most people were not against VDE, and many thought he was an alright manager before Belguim lost to us twice. 6 months ago - Belguim was sitting in third place just 1 point behind 2nd, now Bosnia is in 2nd and 4 points ahead of Belguim :D

:lol: True

[LindavG]

Yes but in comparison to the Bosnian FA, the Belgain FA is like a Swiss bank. They already have good money, stadiums and are not corrupt like their Bosnian counter-parts. Also, you can't hide the fact that most people were not against VDE, and many thought he was an alright manager before Belguim lost to us twice. 6 months ago - Belguim was sitting in third place just 1 point behind 2nd, now Bosnia is in 2nd and 4 points ahead of Belguim :D

That is not true at all, many people thought VDE should have been fired after the failed qualifications for the Euro 2008. The people weren't just mad about the results, but also about the tactics used by VDE and the arrogant way in which he presented himself in the media. Belgium could lose 10-0 to the Faroes and the guy would still say: "Well, it wasn't that bad. We played a good first half, we were unlucky, the pitch was bad, the referee was against us, we learnt a lot from this game, it's not only the result that counts.." etc. Anyway, I think you get the picture ;) Before the WC 2010 qualifiers, I'd say about 70% of the Belgian people were against him. After the games against Bosnia, I'd say about 97% was against him ;)

[Saraj Fanatico]

Okay lets kinda start turning this car towards the thread topic. We went to Sweden vs BiH in a possible playoff clash which was fine since it connected to Sweden but then we just shift into talking about Group 5 teams only. Lets stay on subject a little ladies and gentlemen...oh and I just wanna say I have really big balls....

[~zero_signal~]

@ Saraj Fanatico and #1

You guys think that no one takes Belgium seriously because Bosnia and Herzegovina beat them, which isn't true.

I have always known that Bosnia and Herzegovina has been a darkhorse with very capable players. In fact, I knew that they would be the only team to challenge Spain and Turkey in this group for vital points before the qualifying began.

As for the Belgium topic, my view is clear. Currently, Belgium is average at best and overrated. Does the Belgian NT have future potential? Yes. This is why I simply don't rate their qualifying group as highly as some of you do.

[~zero_signal~]

Well, I guess we need to define what do we mean by the hardest group.


Is it the more number of good teams or the more on-the-same-level teams in one group?

I've said this all along. The more balanced the group is, the harder the group. It's like sharks on a dead whale.

[~zero_signal~]

God Bless zero signal. You on your uni break yet? i just started mine :D

:thumb: Yeah, I just started my uni break too. I've been pretty sick for a week though, but when I'm better I'll make the most of it :D

[Željin Zmaj]

I always knew most football fans would write BiH off from the qualifying hopes, but it seems like you know your stuff, and thanks for being one of the only ones not ignorant in this forum.

As for the dark horse...In my pre-teen years (11, 12 years old), I had this one really cool Yugioh card, it was one of my favorite, lol:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/0/0e/NightmareHorsePGD-EN-C.jpg

:D

Look at the description that the effect monster does. It can attack the opponent even if there's a monster on his side of the field. So even if there's great defenders from the opposition, we'll still score a goal, :smoking::evil:.

:D

[son_of_a_Turk]

Belgium is so overrated by some people. I mean I'm fed up seeing posts saying how good their players are and blah blah blah. I mean come on, every nation has players like Fellaini etc... Are they the players to be feared of? If you think they are so promising, they you must think Spain shouldn't concede a goal ever. Belgium are a shitty team... I mean, every nation has promising players and they don't have more promising players than most nations and they don't function well as a team. So, they have no advantage on most other nations on anything. Their potential is nothing more, if not less than most other nations.


Enough said. Belgium sucks. Stop overrating them because Bosnia beat them. I mean, we tied them but that doesn't change the fact that we tied a shitty team.

[Željin Zmaj]

Belgium is better than Turkey, and they will prove it too.

[son_of_a_Turk]

:Pound: Even he doesn't believe in what he says anymore

[Željin Zmaj]

On paper, I'm a strong believer that Belgium is better than Turkey. Sorry I just don't see you guys having better players than let's say Fellaini, Kompany, Defour, Witsel, Dembele, Van Buyten, Martens, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Hazard, ect.

Idk, that's just my opinion. I'm really sorry if it seems to hurt you though. But I did say "on paper".

They did tie you guys in Istanbul 1-1, so don't forget that game either. I think you would've been beaten had that Turk defender not saved that shot on the line.

[TM87_Maniac]

I wouldn't be surprised if Belgium finished ahead of Turkey either

[Željin Zmaj]

Actually I wouldn't be surprised at all. I'm actually expecting it, even though Belgium lost full 6 pts on Bosnia.

[~zero_signal~]

I always knew most football fans would write BiH off from the qualifying hopes, but it seems like you know your stuff, and thanks for being one of the only ones not ignorant in this forum.

As for the dark horse...In my pre-teen years (11, 12 years old), I had this one really cool Yugioh card, it was one of my favorite, lol:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/0/0e/NightmareHorsePGD-EN-C.jpg

:D

Look at the description that the effect monster does. It can attack the opponent even if there's a monster on his side of the field. So even if there's great defenders from the opposition, we'll still score a goal, :smoking::evil:.

:D

I told you it was true :lol:

[Ronni]

:focus:
This thread is GROUP 1, and teams like Belgium, Turkey and ... Bosnia are in another group.

Well ... back to group 1, I fear that the curse on the WC semi-finalists will continue!

You may know that in the last World Cups, the losing semi-finalists alternate which one won't make it to the next edition:

France was 3rd in 1986, and didn't qualify to 1990
England was 4th in 1990, and didn't qualify to 1994
Sweden was 3rd in 1994, and didn't qualify to 1998
Holland was 4th in 1998, and didn't qualify to 2002
Turkey was 3rd in 2002, and didn't qualify to 2006

this means now it's time to the 4th of 2006 to watch to the WC on TV.
And it was Portugal !!!

Will this "curse" apply again?

[Cole Train]

:focus:
This thread is GROUP 1, and teams like Belgium, Turkey and ... Bosnia are in another group.

Well ... back to group 1, I fear that the curse on the WC semi-finalists will continue!

You may know that in the last World Cups, the losing semi-finalists alternate which one won't make it to the next edition:

France was 3rd in 1986, and didn't qualify to 1990
England was 4th in 1990, and didn't qualify to 1994
Sweden was 3rd in 1994, and didn't qualify to 1998
Holland was 4th in 1998, and didn't qualify to 2002
Turkey was 3rd in 2002, and didn't qualify to 2006

this means now it's time to the 4th of 2006 to watch to the WC on TV.
And it was Portugal !!!

Will this "curse" apply again?


Nice find, I think Portugal will qualify tbh

[LindavG]

I disagree. Their FA lacks decisiveness. In the case of the NT coach, they should have gotten rid of VDE a loooong time ago. And we want to organize the World Cup 2018 together with Belgium, but while we're already making serious plans, they've hardly even started. If they had our FA, they would have had better stadiums, better facilities, better youth academies and a better organization. And VDE would've been fired after the World Cup 2006 qualifiers. The Belgian FA may not be corrupt (at least there's no reason to assume that) but they aren't functioning as well as they could/should. The signing of Advocaat as NT coach is a breath of fresh air and hopefully a sign that the Belgian FA is changing and taking more risks :)

I know most people probably aren't too bothered by it, but I have to set this straight because I have just read several reports and the Belgians are doing a great job trying to get the World Cup 2018 our way, credits to them! :) They were doing it behind the scenes though so that's why it seemed like we were doing all the work and they weren't interested, but now it turns out they have been lobbying all this time.. anyway just wanted to set that straight, now I won't go off topic anymore, I promise ;)

[~zero_signal~]

anyway just wanted to set that straight, now I won't go off topic anymore, I promise ;)

:lol: You promise?

[Vic]

Sweden should use their U21 team in the next games :)

[LindavG]

:lol: You promise?

Yes I promise, so stop trying to tempt me into off-topic discussions damn it :lol:

I guess this post is off-topic too :worried: See what you're doing? :(

[Lusitânia Power]

Well as fan of the Portuguese National Team, I think we can't make it to South Africa, unless we pull a miracle against Denmark in their home, and we play very well the last 3 games, because I don't see Queiroz taking complete control of those wannabe soccer superstars who think they have accomplished something...and yes I'm talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and other similar to them...

[Aneke]

Well as fan of the Portuguese National Team, I think we can't make it to South Africa, unless we pull a miracle against Denmark in their home, and we play very well the last 3 games, because I don't see Queiroz taking complete control of those wannabe soccer superstars who think they have accomplished something...and yes I'm talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and other similar to them...

You will qualify unfortunately, and it will be on our expense.

[~zero_signal~]

Yes I promise, so stop trying to tempt me into off-topic discussions damn it :lol:

I guess this post is off-topic too :worried: See what you're doing? :(

:lol: I didn't expect you to answer that, and go off-topic again, and you promised! :twitch:

[~zero_signal~]

You may know that in the last World Cups, the losing semi-finalists alternate which one won't make it to the next edition:

France was 3rd in 1986, and didn't qualify to 1990
England was 4th in 1990, and didn't qualify to 1994
Sweden was 3rd in 1994, and didn't qualify to 1998
Holland was 4th in 1998, and didn't qualify to 2002
Turkey was 3rd in 2002, and didn't qualify to 2006

this means now it's time to the 4th of 2006 to watch to the WC on TV.
And it was Portugal !!!

Will this "curse" apply again?

Portugal is still in with a realistic chance.

[Salt The Fries]

I hope this curse will apply to Portugal.
Ditto.

[MutuILFenomeno]

Hungary is being underestimated as Sweden and Portugal think they can surpass them as "easy points."

Hungary has been in the slumps for about 50 years now? Hopefully that will change within the next few games against Portugal and Sweden.

Though good luck to all; this is a group full of surprises as we see that Hungary is in second and only 3 points behind Denmark who have won all of their last 5 matches.

[Aneke]

Great evening, Sweden is in the driving seat for a play-off spot. Things could change quickly though. They will have to perform in the most important game of all at this stage, Denmark away.

[stuglue]

Sweden is a bad result for all of us who want to see Portugal not qualify for the finals.
I'm sure they'll beat Hungary home and away in the next 2 fixtures, and the final match they play Malta who of course, will lose.
Hungary's final match is against Denmark so I doubt they'll get to second spot in the group.

[tarzyz]

It looks good for Sweden and Denmark, i really hope both will go to South Africa.

[Vic]

Same here buddy.

[Salt The Fries]

Too bad both of these two NTs are now far cries from their vastly superior former selves...

[wales]

Portugal have it all to do.

[BRISTOLUK]

... all of us who want to see Portugal not qualify for the finals.

Surely not....why would anyone not want Portugal to make it? ;)

[stuglue]

its the Curse Of The Semi Final

[monge]

Surely not....why would anyone not want Portugal to make it? ;)

it's sad to see that this obviously some "soccer fans" want to see Portugal out of the WC in this group! ok ok I can manage the "I don't want you to get it, because you're in the same group!" But ok! Denmark-Portugal (both games) -> Portugal is superior! (Dmk first); Portugal-Hungary, with Hungary loosing, they've still played for the "draw", it's sick to see it. I just hope Denmark-Sweden isn't a "made up" match"!

Personally, I feel Portugal doesn't deserver to be on wc2010, because with all they have to offer, they've offered really few, BUT as a "soccer fan" I'd personally cheer for Portugal over Denmark, Hungary or even Sweden, just because I do love to see good footbal!.

Cheers!

[Aneke]

I just hope Denmark-Sweden isn't a "made up" match"!



That comment shows that you haven't gotten a clue about football

[stuglue]

The Denmark Sweden will be a firey match as all of a sudden the group is wide open again.
The Danish draw last night coupled with a Swedish and Portugese win means first spot is still up for grabs.
Im sure Portugal will win both its last 2 games.

[BRISTOLUK]

I'd personally cheer for Portugal over Denmark, Hungary or even Sweden, just because I do love to see good footbal!
I like to see good football too.

However, I don't like to see teams spend so much time trying to con the ref.

Portugal have taken these dark arts to a new level over the last few years. Exaggerating contact when fouled to ensure a free kick or pen is one thing. Diving when tackled is something else and is bad enough but simulating a foul when an opponent hasn't even made a challenge is a real low.

I watched the Denmark-Portugal game on Saturday. Pepe received a pass at his feet with a Dane standing behind him. Pepe bent over, fell and threw his legs behind him (actually kicking the Dane) and won a free kick for a supposed push in his back.

A few minutes later, Pepe (again) had an opponent behind him as he was shielding the ball. The Dane made no contact...until Pepe thrust his arse into the Dane and promptly threw himself to the ground, winning another free kick from nothing at all.

I'd love to have the chance for some revenge for penalty defeats, but I'd love it even more if these "super cheats" were denied the world stage.

What goes around comes around. Ask Maradona.

[wales]

Interesting

[Port Wine]

Portugal have taken these dark arts to a new level over the last few years. Exaggerating contact when fouled to ensure a free kick or pen is one thing. Diving when tackled is something else and is bad enough but simulating a foul when an opponent hasn't even made a challenge is a real low.


Hello there. Still bitter, huh?

You should be embarrased to even comment on diving when English players have become so notorious themselves for that. Gerrard is a world famous serial diver and Rooney is following is his footsteps. The holier than thou argument doesn't stick anymore. Use another one.

It's funny how you go on and on about diving, yet seem OK with a player stomping on the adversary's balls or pulling hair.



I'd love to have the chance for some revenge for penalty defeats, but I'd love it even more if these "super cheats" were denied the world stage.

England lost to Portugal the last couple of times because they simply weren´t good enough. Don't blame others for your miscomings, it makes you look pathetic.

England didn't loose because the adversary cheated, they lost because they were an inferior side.

Oh, and welcome back.

[stuglue]

Well, after the disappointment of Sweden losing last night its obvious that Portugal will take the play off place. They will not lose to Malta in the last game.

[Ronni]

Now it's done.
I'm happy Portugal will manage to the playoffs. They just had a horrible start in the qualifying and at least they sort of recovered.
Imo their team is unquestionably better than both DK and SE, and it's pretty fair they get further.
In the playoffs they beat Slovekia, Slovania or whatever Slovs come, and we'll have CRonaldo and all others in the WC.

And the semifinal curse is finally over!

[stuglue]

whoever plays Portugal in the play offs gets my backing, even if its the French (though I doubt that'll happen after Fifa copped out and decided to go with seedings).

[wales]

lol^^

[BavarianRed]

whoever plays Portugal in the play offs gets my backing, even if its the French (though I doubt that'll happen after Fifa copped out and decided to go with seedings).

It seems like I'm not the only one that doesnt want to see Ronaldo the diving queen at the world cup next year :lol:, Man I can only imagine how much he would cry if they lost in the playoffs oh man that would be history and one of the greatest days in football :smoking:
Stuglue tell them like it is :lol:

[stuglue]

too right, Portugal don't have much of a tradition in the world cup anyway. I for one, wouldn't miss them

[wales]

lol they probably will qualify now, as its seeded!!!

[TM87_Maniac]

lol they probably will qualify now, as its seeded!!!

not if they draw Bosnia ;)

[Baby Face Nelson]

I think Portugal probably will get through now.

[A(Bosancero)]

Hate Portugal! :d

[DelijaZauvjek]

I hope Portugal draw Bosnia.
I really do.
I hate Portugal

[stuglue]

I hope Portugal draw Rep Ireland, with the way the Irish play I could see them beating the Portuguese

[benfica64]

I don't think it matter's who they face in the playoff's I believe they are capable of beating any team Period. Botton line is you have to win regardless who you play to get into the world cup, therefore again matters Little who they face.

[wales]

not if they draw Bosnia ;)

haha well they do play them so... you may be right..

[monge]

haha well they do play them so... you may be right..

Hope he's only right about against which side Portugal plays.

Still can't understand all the hate, probably the arrogance of Portugal's most notorious player...but still, it's harsh :faint2:

And please, no more "diving queen" or anything like that because it's stupid to say that from a player that is one of the most punished by bad tackles nowadays. (just search Cristiano Ronaldo Tackle on tube and see for yourself before throwing rocks at the guy).

[A(Bosancero)]

I hope Portugal draw Bosnia.
I really do.
I hate Portugal

Damn dude you were right :D

[benfica64]

Hope he's only right about against which side Portugal plays.

Still can't understand all the hate, probably the arrogance of Portugal's most notorious player...but still, it's harsh :faint2:

And please, no more "diving queen" or anything like that because it's stupid to say that from a player that is one of the most punished by bad tackles nowadays. (just search Cristiano Ronaldo Tackle on tube and see for yourself before throwing rocks at the guy).


They hate him simply because he'e the best! Endless Players dive? Many great players dive often, the list is endless. If Cristiano was your average run of the mill player exhibiting the exact same personality, None would even mention him let alone bring forth all this hate. Hes hated cuss Hes that good. The best always bring forth envy, jealousy and hate, and it dosent matter what sport you in. So its cool! it comes with the territory of being regard as the best or if you wish, one of the very best players in the world. He's have a amasing start with Real Madrid scored 9 goals in 7 games for them before his ankle injury, what more is there really to say? Hes not even a striker, hes a winger. Anyways When I see all these guys hating on him it shows me just how truly good this christiano ronaldo is.