Mexico's Most Valuable Player?

[Captain Fury]

Who do you think is Mexico's most best and important player now?


Rafael Marquez, F.C Barcelona
http://i.esmas.com/image/0/000/005/552/RafaelMarquez370x270.jpg

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030710/sp4.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Rafael_Marquez_15abr2007.jpg/250px-Rafael_Marquez_15abr2007.jpg

Pavel Pardo, VFB Stuttgart
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41794000/jpg/_41794970_pardo300.jpg

http://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/jm/img?s=MLM&f=15763378_5431.jpg

Nery Castillo, Shakhtar Donezk

http://proyectos.elespectador.com/copamerica/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ca-nery-castillo515.jpg

http://www.elgolfo.info/elgolfo/tmp/4911953362408.jpg

http://blogs.chron.com/bajolalupa/castilloVenezuela_Soccer_Copa_America_XEDB154

Carlos Salcido, PSV Eindhoven

http://www.cuarto-poder.com.mx/cuartopoder/2006/12/20/c9-3-2.jpg

Giovani Dos Santos, F.C Barcelona

http://njmg.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/07/giovanni_dos_santos_5_the_associa_2.jpg
http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/clubfootball/trhkg687842_14289_sq_medium.jpg

Andres Guardado, Dep. La Coruña
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/luis_bueno/12/22/mexico.youth/p1_guardado_1222.jpg

Guillermo Ochoa, Club America
http://espndeportes-akamai.espn.go.com/2003/photos2007/0521/m_sueter180x250.jpg

[mawin312]

Rafa, Nery, or Guardado... :confused: Mmmmmm, I think Rafa takes it.

[Captain Fury]

i still dont vote :D

its between rafa, nery and ochoa

[dannymex]

i think rafa hands down,
but who do you guys think is number 2?

i think its definitely guardado just because he is so consistent all the time.

[Captain Fury]

its a hard choice,.......ochoa is one of the best 50 players in the world,.....and 3rd goalkeeper

[Vic]

Rafa gets my vote!

[Captain Fury]

i think he's gonna win the poll

[Xizor]

I say it's Carlos Salcido 'cause ever since the Qualifiers, Confederations Cup and all the other tournaments he's been involved in he's been very consistant. My vote goes to him!

[Calif]

Rafael Marquez!

[Atlas boy]

Memo Ochoa is the MVP of Mexico. He's in the top 5 goalkeepers of the world.

[dannymex]

its a hard choice,.......ochoa is one of the best 50 players in the world,.....and 3rd goalkeeper


hahaha i like how you keep brining that up. You know thats kinda bullshit right?
it was done by some stupid french magazine or something like that. Ochoa is super good but i dont think he is the third best goalie in the world. I think he is definitely going to be the best we have had though.

[Xizor]

I think he's the third best goalkeeper in the World, he's played great since he took Oswaldo's spot in the national team! Plus he just got America in the Sudamericana final having some woundeful saves, Ochoa is as great as they come man!

[El ro-ro]

The best player is Guardado.

The most important player is Rafa.

[Captain Fury]

hahaha i like how you keep brining that up. You know thats kinda bullshit right?
it was done by some stupid french magazine or something like that. Ochoa is super good but i dont think he is the third best goalie in the world. I think he is definitely going to be the best we have had though.


best keeper in copa america,..(it was not carini or julio cesar who play in europe)
selected for fifa 08 north american cover
and is probably going to man united

why not 3rd best keeper in thew world

i think he's ready for europe if he's blocked kaka's and robinho's shots

[Xizor]

^^Totally agree with you man!

[Captain Fury]

hahaha i like how you keep brining that up. You know thats kinda bullshit right?
it was done by some stupid french magazine or something like that. Ochoa is super good but i dont think he is the third best goalie in the world. I think he is definitely going to be the best we have had though.

bullshit this danny

Considera Maradona a Ochoa, uno de los 3 mejores porteros del mundo

Lo puso al nivel de Buffon y Caranta

El astro argentino Diego Armando Maradona estuvo presente en la Final de la Copa Sudamericana en la que Arsenal logró coronarse ante el América de México, luego de un global 4-4 que se cargó a favor de los argentinos por los goles de visitante.

El Diego respondió un par de preguntas a Televisa, empresa mexicana y en sus respuestas elogió a las Águilas del América y sobre todo a su portero Guillermo Ochoa.

Consideró Maradona al América como un "muy buen equipo", mencionando a Cabañas y a Rodrigo López como sus referentes en el ataque.

El icono del futbol argentino, también mencionó, "...y (América) tiene al mejor arquero, que junto con Caranta y Boffon son en mi opinión los mejores del mundo".

Maradona fue considerado por algunos como el amuleto del Arsenal, que esta noche consiguió su máximo logro y su primer título a nivel internacional.

[mawin312]

Lo puso al nivel de Buffon y Caranta

He also said Caranta was one of the top 3..... Caranta! He didn't even make it in Santos. :lol:

[rojinegro13]

my vote goes to Rafa, hes the most important player right now but like someone said, the most talented right now is Guardado, Dos Santos still has to prove himself on the NT, Ochoa is a close third and might be second depending on how you see it.

[Calif]

Caranta??? Yeah he is alright with boca not the best!

[Captain Fury]

guardado no es tan talentoso,........es muy habil y rapido ke es otra cosa

en mi opinion nery es mas talentoso ke guardado,.........pero guardado es mejor jugador porque "juega mas'' que nery,.......toca mas el balon,....lo busca etc

[Calif]

Well you are talking about two different position but yeah Guardado is more active during a game then Nery Castillo!

[Captain Fury]

pero bien puedes decir ke mesi por ejemplo suda pero bien duro la camiseta,...y tambien es delantero

[Calif]

Well yeah but it just depends el tipo de jugador!

[Xizor]

Nery has to learn how to not be so selfish at times, Guardado has already learned how to share the ball!

[rojinegro13]

yeah its tough though because Nery's position at times has to be more individual that Guardado's, who as a mid/defender passing is a big part of his job. but both players are relatively young which gives us hope that in time they can both improve on whatever they lack.

[rojinegro13]

I wonder if by the end of the season were going to say that Vela should've been on the list.......

[caruiz93]

i think thatright now its ochoa,hes a beast

[Xizor]

Yeah along with Salcido!

[Captain Fury]

true,.......ochoa and salcido son los que estan en mejor momento

[Xizor]

Atras de esos dos creo que debe de ser Andres Guardado!

[Captain Fury]

yea but he's in a sorry ass team,.....so his hard work doesn't pay off
solo con mexico si se refleja su esfuerzo en el marcador,........even though on the game with brazil he sucked alot wich is very unusual in him,.....not just him though

[Captain Fury]

FIFA.COM EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW 1/21/08:

Memo Ochoa, Mexico’s No1


http://fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/trmvd368194%5f34193%5ffull-prt.jpg
Mexico has produced more than its fair share of legendary keepers over the years. Antonio Carbajal, Jorge Campos and Oswaldo Sanchez are just a few of the fine No1s who have excelled with the Tricolor on the global stage. Even so, the current incumbent in the Azteca goal is poised to upstage them all.

An undisputed first choice for the national team at the age of only 22 and already an institution at his club, America, Francisco Guillermo Ochoa is widely seen in his native country as one of the best keepers in the world. Idolised by his adoring fans, the young custodian has refused to let the adulation go to his head, however. And when FIFA.com came calling, the down-to-earth and utterly approachable Ochoa was more than happy to talk about his past, present and future.

FIFA.com: Francisco, can we just clear one thing up first of all? How do you like to be called: Francisco, Guillermo or do you have a nickname?
Francisco Guillermo Ochoa: Everyone calls me Memo, Memo Ochoa. That's what people called me when I was a kid. My parents only called me Guillermo when they were angry with me (laughs). I don't like any of my other nicknames, though, because they don't have anything to do with my life or me as a person.

Many will know the story of how you were discovered at the age of 17 by Leo Beenhakker. Tell us what happened?
In actual fact I'd been training with the (America) first team since I was 15. Alfio Basile was the coach then but when Beenhakker came in I stayed with the side for the whole pre-season and he made me second-choice keeper. I think he liked what he saw and it just so happened that Adolfo Rios got injured in training one day. Beenhakker had enough confidence in me to give me my league debut and then my first [Copa] Libertadores start in my second game.

Are you still grateful to the Beenhakker?
Of course I am. You wouldn't have expected him to gamble on a 17-year-old like me, particularly at a club like America, where there's always so much pressure day in, day out, and where you're always in the spotlight. Before I went out on the pitch he asked me what I'd always wanted to do, and I said to play for America in the first division. And he said to me, 'Well, here you are. Now go and enjoy it'.

You have enjoyed a meteoric rise. You made your league debut at the age of 17, you became a key figure in the team very quickly and now, just five years later, you are Mexico's undisputed No1 as well. What is the secret?
(Laughs) I just take things slowly and try to improve with each game. It's something that just comes with being a footballer really; the press, the fans, your team-mates and all that. I've always been the youngest one around and when I was 15 I was playing alongside guys who were twice my age. Little by little you learn the good things, you put the bad stuff to one side and you always have to be hungry for more.

In 2006 you experienced your first FIFA World Cup™ finals as Mexico's third keeper. What memories do you have of the tournament?
It was wonderful. We played Portugal, and then Argentina with all their stars. The atmosphere was fantastic. I was really keen to play of course, but I knew I had to wait, I knew I wasn't the first-choice keeper. But that just spurred me on to try and do things better, to learn more. At the time I said to myself, 'I'll be back in 2010 but on the pitch, not on the bench'.

Within a year you had become Mexico's No1 and a vital component of the side that went to the Copa America Venezuela 2007. How did you manage to handle the pressure of your first tournament as a player?
I tried not to think about it. I'm very aware of the great keepers who've gone before me and that it's my turn now to write my own story. Obviously I get nervous before games but as soon as I step out on the pitch I forget about all that and I concentrate on my work.

Venezuela 2007 was the first major test for Hugo Sanchez. What do you make of him as the national coach?
He's got the air of winner about him. He always wants more from us out on the pitch and he's always pushing us to be the best in every situation.

The objective for the year ahead is obviously the Olympic Football Tournament at Beijing 2008.
Yes, but we have to get there first of all and that won't be easy. The people in Mexico are very excited and I can understand that because we've got a lot of quality. And like at Germany 2006, I didn't get a game at Athens 2004 either, so it's going to be very important for me to be out there fighting for a medal.

Several of the Mexican players likely to be in Beijing are already with European clubs. Why do you think you have not joined them yet?
There's been a lot of talk about a transfer recently but nothing has come off as yet. The fact is I'm in no real hurry and I want to go to a big team. I've always followed clubs like Juventus, Milan, Bayern, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona, and I'd love to join one of them. In any case I'm with America right now. They're a big club themselves and I've still got a lot of objectives to achieve here, like the next Copa Libertadores.

Moving on now, did you have any goalkeeping heroes when you were younger?
Peter Schmeichel, without a doubt. He was amazing. He could stop everything that came his way. He was always someone I wanted to emulate. The funny things is, though, I've become a completely different keeper to him.

You are one of the few footballers who is still studying at university? How important is that to you?
Only about one in ten footballers study (laughs). I'm doing it for myself, not for anyone else. It's for my future. Footballers' careers are very short and you have to be prepared for what lies ahead. You sometimes come across former players who've done nothing since they retired and I don't want to end up like that.

Imagine we come back and do an interview in five years' time. Where would you like to be?
Playing in Europe for a big team. Hopefully I'll have won a medal at the Olympic Games, played in the Champions League and won it, and of course, won the World Cup at South Africa 2010. My dream would be a final against Brazil, going all the way to penalties and saving the last one. No, even better... we'd be winning 1-0 and I'd save a penalty in the last minute!

[Captain Fury]

it's either ochoa or guardado at this moment

[Xizor]

I still think it's Carlos Salcido even though he hasn't been that well with the national team!

[Calif]

Who was the MVP in the last premios they gave! I think it was Ludueña...:lol:...But Mexican I guess Ochoa not sure though!

[Wabbit]

Well I went for Rafa and Ochoa man...I mean those positions are hard to find....defender and keeper...plus rafa is a wall and ochoa..uffff...spechlees

[Calif]

True! But theres others who can be Mexico's most valuable players!

[dannymex]

like who?

[Calif]

Like Salcido who had a great season with PSV winning Championships! But are we talking about Mexicans all abroad or in the Mexican League?

[Xizor]

Mexicans in general, abroad or in the local league!

[dannymex]

I still think its marquez.
he's a leader and he is a wall. He's passing abilites are great.

he's great all around.

[Xizor]

Marquez or Salcido.....one of those two is the MVP!

[Calif]

Well at the Moment Marquez was full of injuries and Salcido was succeding with PSV!

[Captain Fury]

rafa es un gran lider y nuestro mejor defensa,.....

by positon:

Ochoa

Marquez

Guardado

????????

[Xizor]

rafa es un gran lider y nuestro mejor defensa,.....

by positon:

Ochoa

Marquez

Guardado

????????

I would put Borgetti just because of what he has accomplished throughout his career as a striker, I mean who else would you put?

[Captain Fury]

were talking about now at this very moment,............not the past

in that case:

Carbajal/El Tubo

Marquez???

Blanco, Benjamin Galindo/Abuelo Cruz

Hugo Sanchez, Luis Hernandez/Hermosillo


*aunque hugo no hizo nada en la seleccion ni como jugador ni como tecnico :lol:

[Calif]

Ok is this poll/thread about now in the moment or are we talking about now and past years?

[Captain Fury]

at this moment

[Xizor]

Well the pool is over lets talk about best players of all time then the best current players!

GK
Campos

DEF
Marquez

MID
Garcia Aspe

ST
Borgetti

*I think it would be better if we posted a dream team!

[Captain Fury]

this one's NOT the best but it would be cool :D

------------------Ochoa-----------------
-S. Perez-----Marquez---Suarez--Guardado
-----Arellano-----Ortega----Negrete------
----------------Blanco-------------------
---------Sanchez--------Borja------------

[Calif]

Ochoa! Nah theres more legendary keepers!

[Xizor]

this one's NOT the best but it would be cool :D

------------------Ochoa-----------------
-S. Perez-----Marquez---Suarez--Guardado
-----Arellano-----Ortega----Negrete------
----------------Blanco-------------------
---------Sanchez--------Borja------------

Checken este equipaso:

--------------------Campos--------------------
--------Márquez-----Suarez-----Salcido--------
---Arellano---Pardo---Blanco---Garcia Aspe---
-----Hermosillo----Borgetti----Sánchez-----

[Wabbit]

what aboout the GK that xizor had in his avatar??


I'd give Guardado the striker possition

[Xizor]

what aboout the GK that xizor had in his avatar??


I'd give Guardado the striker possition

Yeah that's Campos, I put him on my top 11 squad!

[Captain Fury]

:thumbsup:

--------------------Campos--------------------
-----------Marquez----Suarez----Salcido-------
--Carmona-------------------------------Aspe
-------------------B. Galindo------------------
--Arellano-----------------------------Morales
-----------------Hernandez------------------
-------------------------Borgetti------------

[Calif]

No Zague???:lol: Well theres a lot of legendary players man it will be hard putting a starting 11

[Captain Fury]

^ i cant remeber right now lol

[Xizor]

Checken este equipaso:

--------------------Campos--------------------
--------Márquez-----Suarez-----Salcido--------
---Arellano---Pardo---Blanco---Garcia Aspe---
-----Hermosillo----Borgetti----Sánchez-----

GK
http://mx.geocities.com/rebel_leyendas/campos1.jpg

DEF
http://www.gfdb.com/images%5Cpictures%5Cplayers%5CRafael-Marquez.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1355000/images/_1355891_suarez300.jpg

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,293951,00.jpg

MID

http://bp2.blogger.com/_RU5IsWmbXxI/R0yZiDtAWyI/AAAAAAAAAH4/U0UhTTPuuRI/s200/arellano_details.jpg

http://www.tribunalatina.com/es/img2/pavel-pardo.jpg

http://www.i-net.com.mx/archives/cuauhtemoc_blanco.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7581/1629416tm2.jpg

ST

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1629410.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A68CE00714EBF190B99930FDCFC4C15FBB

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/78/borgetti2.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m296/albeezy_10/HugoSanchez2.jpg

Dream team! :smoking:

[Captain Fury]

^ Te falto cuau! lol

[Xizor]

^ Te falto cuau! lol

He's there, can't leave him out! :smoking:

[Wabbit]

why do I see only 9???

[Xizor]

GK
http://mx.geocities.com/rebel_leyendas/campos1.jpg

DEF
http://www.gfdb.com/images%5Cpictures%5Cplayers%5CRafael-Marquez.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1355000/images/_1355891_suarez300.jpg

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,293951,00.jpg

MID

http://bp2.blogger.com/_RU5IsWmbXxI/R0yZiDtAWyI/AAAAAAAAAH4/U0UhTTPuuRI/s200/arellano_details.jpg

http://www.tribunalatina.com/es/img2/pavel-pardo.jpg

http://www.i-net.com.mx/archives/cuauhtemoc_blanco.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7581/1629416tm2.jpg

ST

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1629410.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A68CE00714EBF190B99930FDCFC4C15FBB

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/78/borgetti2.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m296/albeezy_10/HugoSanchez2.jpg

Dream team! :smoking:

11 compadre!

[Captain Fury]

i see only 10! :Pound:

[Xizor]

Put your speks on sunny! lol

[Captain Fury]

there's 10!,.......i swear :lol:

[Xizor]

Your on crack....there's 11 plus I added your beloved Cuauh para que no llores!

[Captain Fury]

why are we so active today anyways?

[Calif]

some pics did not show up xizor I see like 10 I think!

[Xizor]

I see 11 on my computer! :D

[Calif]

Well good for you man! Well we do see them but when they quote your post you can see only a few!

[Captain Fury]

el cabrito looks like el torito silva on that pic!

[Xizor]

Well good for you man! Well we do see them but when they quote your post you can see only a few!

Good for me then! :ronaldo:

No need to see the pics, I posted the line-up!

[Wabbit]

Well I see 9....

[Xizor]

Como chingan some se 9 others see 3 y hay otros que ni ven!