Erdogan is America's B****

[SiN]

Am i the only one that thinks this true? How did AKP win the election again???? He is a ***king dick and hes payed off people which is the only reason hes won. I don't care if MHP would've won or if CHP would've won, anyone but ***king Erdogan. He is going to bring the end to Turkey.

There is still so much poverty in Turkey it is unbelievable, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer and there is nothing in between. He has made no efforts in helping the needy. He just loves to pay off people and talk alot of shit and get votes.

How can a relegious leader become a prime minister? Since when does a hoca become a prime minister. This guy has been in and out of jail and shit. I can believe turkish people have beleived in him.

He is too scared to go into Northern Iraq because of what America says.

***k him!

[FatihKilic]

i completly agree with you but i'll go a step further ... Turkey is America's bitch ... i would write why but i am in class and will write it later ... just keep this thread alive

[SiN]

Yes no doubt about that. What have we become? Its very shameful indeed!

[SiN]

I cant beleive im the only one that thinks this!!!

[aslanlar]

I'd love to hear your views on why Turkey is americas bitch fatih, i'll be waiting. Try to substantiate that claim.

[SiN]

And you dont think this is true aslanlar?

[aslanlar]

No, i don't think Turkey is americas bitch.

[Cihangir]

Well Turkey is not a bitch of America right now. It's not fair to say that but it is true that America has huge access in Turkey. All that bases and stuff. And on the economical side Turkey is a plateu for foreign investment but the government don't really seem to know what kind of a treasure country they are running.
The way I see it, foreigners in general, governments, investors etc. always wanna take a bite from Turkey just like they did in 1900s and the only thing which is respectable about this country is the military. The government are mindless asswipes with no internatrional power, credit, respect or nothing.
Lol so we are kinda open to be somebody's bitch.

[Cihangir]

Him and Gül holds American citizenship anyways, Erdoğan's kids and their kids are all living in the USA. His son escapes his mandatory army service and erdoğan doesn't seem to give a shit about it. He is the bitch that's for sure.

[Mavi]

Maybe its an act to ease relations with EU members? As i see it Turkey is doing better than its ever done. Having been accepted as a EU hopeful, lots of foreign investments and reforms that has made it more "democratic" I wouldn't think Baykal would have made it any better

[aslanlar]

Have you ever thought what it might be like if we didn't have the US as an ally? I think the Korean War was worth years of friendly relations with the worlds super-power.
What have we done for the US which gave NO gains to Turkey?

[SiN]

Hmmm perhaps the fact that we gave them and NATO airspace for a longggg time during the first gulf war and the second war of terror. And what did they give us in return for that? "NO YOU CANNOT COME INTO IRAQ, WE ARE HANDLING IT" - Condelca ***king Rice.

[Cihangir]

Maybe its an act to ease relations with EU members? As i see it Turkey is doing better than its ever done. Having been accepted as a EU hopeful, lots of foreign investments and reforms that has made it more "democratic" I wouldn't think Baykal would have made it any better

I think it should be obvious that this government is foreign supported. That's why Kurdish terrorists are in our parliament, that's why all the country's corporations are being sold for literally for free and erdoğan goes on tv and says the word "peace" 20 times, "one country, one nation" 10 times "progress" 15 times and all thar crap and everytime i see a citizen interview on tv peopel tell when asked about what do they like about AKP they say "peace" for 20 times and "one nation and one country" 10 times and "progress, unity and togetherness" a couple of times and that's it.
This seriously is the most stupidest shit i've ever seen in my life and i think i am now fully aware of human stupidity.
As Sinan says a bit exaggeratingly, we are the bitch of outside powers, i think we are partly run by them because we have so much dept. So it's not about erdoğan being a skillful guy, he does not even know english, give me a break.

[Cihangir]

Have you ever thought what it might be like if we didn't have the US as an ally? I think the Korean War was worth years of friendly relations with the worlds super-power.
What have we done for the US which gave NO gains to Turkey?

Well first of all it's against Atatürk's "neutrality principle." Turkey didn't even signed into NATO until his death and you know Turkey entered the UN. It was just because they literally begged us. Which was the one and only time in their history.
There are a lot of countries who are better than Turkey but never ever had to send soldiers (or maybe a significant amount of soldiers) to any war which was not its own.

[aslanlar]

I still think an alliance with the US was worth it. Erdogan may not be a compitant leader, but i see nothing as being america's bitch. Even less so then England or Australia (under John Howard, what a funny fellow). Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't we 'bully' the US into forgetting to pass the genocide bill (not that it was genocide anyway, but armenian money talks). Didn't we attack northern iraq despite America's protests with no negative consequences from america to ourselves?

[Mavi]

United States kind of protected us from Soviet Invasion in the Cold War... they brought Nukes into Turkey

[Cihangir]

I still think an alliance with the US was worth it. Erdogan may not be a compitant leader, but i see nothing as being america's bitch. Even less so then England or Australia (under John Howard, what a funny fellow). Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't we 'bully' the US into forgetting to pass the genocide bill (not that it was genocide anyway, but armenian money talks). Didn't we attack northern iraq despite America's protests with no negative consequences from america to ourselves?

USA is done in Iraq. Plus PKK kurds are not an ally of the US really, so they are fine. I wouldn't call it "bullying", if USA had said "No." we would be like "oh okay then." I'm pretty sure of it. USA is fine with it because it does not affect them we are performing point operations we are not invading the land although it's historically ours.

[SiN]

Have u guys seen the Millyet Newspapers new TV ad? It is worth seeing, let me see if i can get the link....

[Fenerliyim]

the one where ceza raps?

[SiN]

Yes, youve seen it?

[SiN]

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3_Wl17r0Bc

[Fener19*07bahce]

We can't do anything about this guys, I mean, face it, Turkey is over with. Vatan en az 10 sende boluncek artik. I mean Erdogan and Gul are just idiots. And they didn't pay anyone off for their election. While i was in Turkey, and on tv, the reporters went around asking, which party will you go for. Everyone..EVERYONE said akp..."akp ofcourse, akp definitly." And this isn't an anadolu city, this is Istanbul...You would think they would chose anyone but akp.. We are saying Erdogan is destroying this country..No, the turkish people are. All of our citizens, and people, including erdogan and gul are just un educated. Every single person in Turkey at the moment is stupid. In the past we would rely on the big 3, Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara. But now even people from those cities are getting "religious." I am not surprised at all. We are all ready become "Iran" Sorry to tell you.. Imean, ataturk eve told us before he passed away to the youth of Turkey "the religious men, the elders will try and take over, but i trust my coutries youth, and iknow they will protect the kemalism" But, no one is stepping up. Amazing how what Ataturk says is correct.

[Fenerliyim]

Honestly Turkey's been doing the best its ever been doing imo. I dont get where ur basing all the turkey's gonna collapse in 10 years stuff. AKP hasnt even done anything mildy religious, they havent even overturned the headscarf ban. Just because they took their time before invading iraq all of sudden they are doing a horrible job? U think Deniz Baykal can do a better job running the country? I'm glad CHP dont run the Gov't we'd be in crumbles if they did.

And where does everyone get the notion that Turkey is turning into Iran. Can u show me one damn sign which points toward that? Even if AKP tried they'd be hanged by the military in minutes. The military has done a coup a handful of times, i'm sure they'd do it again if they wanted to.

[el Turco]

We can't do anything about this guys, I mean, face it, Turkey is over with. Vatan en az 10 sende boluncek artik. I mean Erdogan and Gul are just idiots. And they didn't pay anyone off for their election. While i was in Turkey, and on tv, the reporters went around asking, which party will you go for. Everyone..EVERYONE said akp..."akp ofcourse, akp definitly." And this isn't an anadolu city, this is Istanbul...You would think they would chose anyone but akp.. We are saying Erdogan is destroying this country..No, the turkish people are. All of our citizens, and people, including erdogan and gul are just un educated. Every single person in Turkey at the moment is stupid. In the past we would rely on the big 3, Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara. But now even people from those cities are getting "religious." I am not surprised at all. We are all ready become "Iran" Sorry to tell you.. Imean, ataturk eve told us before he passed away to the youth of Turkey "the religious men, the elders will try and take over, but i trust my coutries youth, and iknow they will protect the kemalism" But, no one is stepping up. Amazing how what Ataturk says is correct.

Say anything you want, but dont ever call a whole country stupid! You said all those people were uneducated!

And what is wrong with being religious? Just like how some people have right to drink alcohol, go to night clubs etc., don't other people have right be religious and practice their religion more????

Sorry dude, but that post makes absolutely no sense at all!

[el Turco]

I'm glad CHP dont run the Gov't we'd be in crumbles if they did.

Other parties have been running the country all these years. And all I remember is we were always in some kind of crisis, either economically or politically?

I was put this on my previous post but I'll just put it here. Why cant we, as a nation, show respect to person who has different views than we do??? Why do we always label them "stupid" if they dont agree with us? Why????

[Fener19*07bahce]

Say anything you want, but dont ever call a whole country stupid! You said all those people were uneducated!

And what is wrong with being religious? Just like how some people have right to drink alcohol, go to night clubs etc., don't other people have right be religious and practice their religion more????

Sorry dude, but that post makes absolutely no sense at all!
Get kardesim ya, we're whining because we elected erdogan..who elected erdogan? the polls showed it 20% mhp, 30% chp 50%AKP. I go to mosque every month and more if i have enough time on my hands..."Dont other people have a right to practice their religion?" I myself am a muslim Turk, and practice my religion, and im not saying anything about people not practicing their religion. I support muslims 200%. but what i am really saying is IDONT WANT RELIGION TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE GOVERNMENT. But these people want religion involved. I dont care if they are muslim, christian, jewish, ijust dont want any kind of religion involved in government. I practice islam and try to follow every "rule". So please don't ever say "don't people have another right to be religious?" to me. Because yes they do. The religious people just don't have the right to have religion in our government. And if anybody supports AKP, idk what to say.

[Fenerliyim]

Can u show me wat AKP has done to bring religion to the Govt?

[Fener19*07bahce]

Honestly Turkey's been doing the best its ever been doing imo. I dont get where ur basing all the turkey's gonna collapse in 10 years stuff. AKP hasnt even done anything mildy religious, they havent even overturned the headscarf ban. Just because they took their time before invading iraq all of sudden they are doing a horrible job? U think Deniz Baykal can do a better job running the country? I'm glad CHP dont run the Gov't we'd be in crumbles if they did.

And where does everyone get the notion that Turkey is turning into Iran. Can u show me one damn sign which points toward that? Even if AKP tried they'd be hanged by the military in minutes. The military has done a coup a handful of times, i'm sure they'd do it again if they wanted to.
:lol: 11 years, 30,000 dead.:lol: they took their time alright... one sign that we're turning into iran, kardesim, adamlar kuran'la yonetmek istiyor. Erdogan and Gul are planning on applying the kuran to the government. Erdogan worked with Erbakan if you don't remember a while back, and Erbakan said "bakalim, kanli'mi gelicez, kansizmi" And he was thrown in jail for saying that..But erdogan is still running around. And if it is not obvious enough, he has the same mindset.

[SiN]

I tottally agree with you Fener19*07bahce, its such a painful situation to see that Ataturk is not considered anymore. He would be turning in his grave he saw what is hapening.

[Fener19*07bahce]

And here comes the uneducated part, you and almost half of the country heard him say these words, and yet you want to become a modern country.. All of these members of the akp. Ataturk'e saygi durusu yapiyolar, herkez ayag kalkio..ama butun akp dinciler ayag kalkmadi, butun erdogancilar oturudugu yerde durdu, ve sen bana hala soruyorsunki "what did they do that was religious for the government" sen biliomuydun bunu? buyuk ihtimalle bilmiodun, you are proof..Sen eyitimsizbir milletsin kardesim.

[Fener19*07bahce]

I tottally agree with you Fener19*07bahce, its such a painful situation to see that Ataturk is not considered anymore. He would be turning in his grave he saw what is hapening.
And that is what i am upset about, its not just a small group of people, its more than half the country. And we just think sin, we can't do anything about it, im just happy the army has control over everything, and that army is the only place where everyone is a kemalist. (even worse, the "gericiler" are slowely starting to get the army to rethink about erdogan.. That is why they are not practicing religion in the government, because of fear from the army. But they are even getting through to the army..once the army and the gericiler agree :D thats it. byebye Turkiye. Erdogan and Gul are very intelligent. this is happening very slowly, and deliberatly too. but it's happening. They will most likely not get the army, but just having a 0.1% chance is a big threat.)

[Fenerliyim]

:lol: 11 years, 30,000 dead.:lol: they took their time alright... one sign that we're turning into iran, kardesim, adamlar kuran'la yonetmek istiyor. Erdogan and Gul are planning on applying the kuran to the government. Erdogan worked with Erbakan if you don't remember a while back, and Erbakan said "bakalim, kanli'mi gelicez, kansizmi" And he was thrown in jail for saying that..But erdogan is still running around. And if it is not obvious enough, he has the same mindset.

ok all of the 30,000 dead people didnt die in 11 yrs during the AKP regime thats over the long haul like 25 years since 1984 which means many other parties went through the same.

AKP has been in power for 6 years now, dont u think if he was aiming to make it a religious country he would of right now? Plus y would they also go through all these changes to make it to the EU?

Like i thought u cant show me one thing that he has done or tried to do while in power to make Turkey a country like iran

[SiN]

They have banned holding hands and kissing in public, actually ill give u a list.

[Fenerliyim]

And here comes the uneducated part, you and almost half of the country heard him say these words, and yet you want to become a modern country.. All of these members of the akp. Ataturk'e saygi durusu yapiyolar, herkez ayag kalkio..ama butun akp dinciler ayag kalkmadi, butun erdogancilar oturudugu yerde durdu, ve sen bana hala soruyorsunki "what did they do that was religious for the government" sen biliomuydun bunu? buyuk ihtimalle bilmiodun, you are proof..Sen eyitimsizbir milletsin kardesim.

hadi abicim goster resmi bende inaniyim. Abi dedigin ne kadar mantik disi birsey biliyormusun. Turkiyede Ataturke saygi durusu olcak ve onlar kalkmicak, abi sacmaliyorsun. Bunu yapanin birak basbakan olmayi, turkiyede copcu bile olamaz

[SiN]

There are people that dont even believe that ataturk existed in turkey, fenerliyim, this is true, they do not utter a word of him. its so shameful

[SiN]

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=9500

[Fenerliyim]

They have banned holding hands and kissing in public, actually ill give u a list.

:lol: haha birader biz suudi aribistanmiyiz. Birak allah askina. Sokakta el tutmak yasakmis puhaha.

hehe sen en son ne zaman turkiyeye gittin sinan. haha ya bu kadar komik birsey okumadim uzun zamandir. puhaha

[SiN]

:lol: its funny coz u dont believe it and you havent seen it but in most parts of central and eastern turkey it is banned.

[Fenerliyim]

bro i go to turkey every summer i assure u it aint banned

[SiN]

Can you tell me why erdogan was imprisoned?

[Fener19*07bahce]

:lol: haha birader biz suudi aribistanmiyiz. Birak allah askina. Sokakta el tutmak yasakmis puhaha.

hehe sen en son ne zaman turkiyeye gittin sinan. haha ya bu kadar komik birsey okumadim uzun zamandir. puhaha
YASAK! YASAK YASAK. eyer polis gorse, isitese, polis ikisine gidip "tutusmayin el ele" diye biliyor! Sen nerdesin aga

[Fener19*07bahce]

Can you tell me why erdogan was imprisoned?
Erbakan was imprisoned, Erdogan was not imprisoned, he worked with Erbakan. Erbakan gitmisdi hapse "kanlimi gelicez, kansizmi gelices" dedigi icin..kanlimi gelicez--> savas edipmi gelicez, yoksa, kansizmi--> secimden kandiripmi gelecez diyordu, gelcez derken, dincilerin dedigi sozler.Isteyi, eyitimsiz millet oldugunu bilior erdogan, Eu'ya girecez, girecez, ve giremedik..ve niye girmek istiyor??? Cunku eyer EU ya girersek, ASKER ARTIK SON KARARI VEREMEZ. Ve asker son karari veremezse ne oluyor???? ne oluyor abi? ozaman, erdogan has no fear of the army anymore. than what happens. he gets religion into the Eu union. THATS why we are not going into the Eu. and that is how erdogan is fooling the whole country infront of our eyes. Eu'da biliyor, onun icin giremedik Eu ya, onlar biliyor alirsa bizi, we become a religiously governed country, not democratic.. Ve, kansiz geldiler...secimden kazandilar(erdogan)} Erbakan'in yolsuzluklarini bulmuslardi, olcak sey degil.
hadi ben yatiyom, iyi geceler herkeze.

[Fenerliyim]

YASAK! YASAK YASAK. eyer polis gorse, isitese, polis ikisine gidip "tutusmayin el ele" diye biliyor! Sen nerdesin aga

bro i've went to Istanbul, Kayseri and Eskisehir this summer, and theres a lot of people holding hands. Especially if u go to Porsuk in eskisehir, or go to cay bahces its filled bro.

[Fenerliyim]

Erbakan was imprisoned, Erdogan was not imprisoned, he worked with Erbakan. Erbakan gitmisdi hapse "kanlimi gelicez, kansizmi gelices" dedigi icin..kanlimi gelicez--> savas edipmi gelicez, yoksa, kansizmi--> secimden kandiripmi gelecez diyordu, gelcez derken, dincilerin dedigi sozler.Isteyi, eyitimsiz millet oldugunu bilior erdogan, Eu'ya girecez, girecez, ve giremedik..ve niye girmek istiyor??? Cunku eyer EU ya girersek, ASKER ARTIK SON KARARI VEREMEZ. Ve asker son karari veremezse ne oluyor???? ne oluyor abi? ozaman, erdogan has no fear of the army anymore. than what happens. he gets religion into the Eu union. THATS why we are not going into the Eu. and that is how erdogan is fooling the whole country infront of our eyes. Eu'da biliyor, onun icin giremedik Eu ya, onlar biliyor alirsa bizi, we become a religiously governed country, not democratic.. Ve, kansiz geldiler...secimden kazandilar(erdogan)} Erbakan'in yolsuzluklarini bulmuslardi, olcak sey degil.
hadi ben yatiyom, iyi geceler herkeze.

Erdogan did go to jail in 1999 for saying

"Minareler süngü
Kubbeler miğfer
Camiler kışlamız
Müminler asker"


Haha if we make EU we are gonna turn EU into a muslim orginization? puhaha. The EU hasnt let us in not because they are afraid of a muslim run country but because they are afraid of the military. Turkey believe it or not is a military run country. Democracy is just shown on the outside. Everybody knows u cant make any moves in Turkey without the approval of the army.

Plus y would the EU let us in so quickly, when there so many more things they can bite off. Plus we have 80 million people living in Turkey, the second they open those doors, all the koylus will storm Europe.

[Fenerliyim]

Can i also ask u, y is being religious considered backwards? Y do u have to non-religious to be modern?

Look at our history, the time we were most succesful was when our country leaders were religious and not corrupt. The Ottoman Empire started to crumble when the leaders started to loosen up on religion, and envy the West.

[Fenerliyim]

anyway i noticed this is politics outside of the politic forum.

i'm gonna close the topic in about 1.5 hrs so if anyone wanna say anything before then, hurry up and get ur say

or i might move it to the politics forum but since it has a lot of turkish posts, i cant be hassled with translations for our non-turkish reading members

[SiN]

Ill do it for you then

:closed:

[Fenerliyim]

thnks bro i forgot before going to bed