Qualification System

[Eric]

I am very frustrated at the qualification procedures!
Africa,CONCOCAF and Asia should only be allowed 3,2 and 1 places max respectively not 5, 3 and 2. Bar Nigeria and Mexico (who are having problems at the moment) the other teams do not stand a chance.

I am willing to offer anyone 2/1 on bets over $5,000 on any team (even Japan)from these continents except Nigeria and Mexico reaching Round 2.

Think about European teams that may not qualify for soccers biggest tournament - Yugoslavia, Holland, Ukraine, Croatia etc. Its a farce.

[Garrincha]

You know what the biggest joke is?

South American soccer has won 8 (eight) World Cup titles. There are teams like Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Paraguay, Chile, Uruguay... and there are FOUR places i the Cup for this continent. A fifth place will be disputed against Australia (who qualified from Oceania).

African soccer has NO WC titles. Not even a final. Not even a semifinal! They have teams like Cameroon, Nigeria, South Africa, and who else...? And yet, this continent has FIVE places in the Cup, no need to compete with anybody over either of these five places.

I mean, politics is the ONLY explanation for a country with eight titles in history having less places in the Cup than a continent that NEVER did ANYTHING on World Cup level.

This will lead to important South American teams being left out - Chile was officially disqualified already, it seems - and hopelessly bad African teams making it to the WC, like Egypt or Zambia. Nothing against the teams or the coutries themselves, but this system isn't FAIR.

And no, this has nothing to do with Brazil, who WILL qualify, much to the displeasure of the OTHER contenders, who were praying Brazil would be out. Sorry, but we'll be there, and probably with a good chance of winning too. :)

But I think it's a shame that teams like Chile or Uruguay may be left out in favour of teams like Jamaica or Ethiopia, which will add nothing to the quality of the Cup. Or am I lying? (and yes, I know Jamaica is not African, but their '98 team was horrible)

[Dynamo_Milan]

Ghana is another team.
I think the system quite fair.
Yes South America won 8 world cups, but it only have about 8 countries and half of them going to compete at the competition + the 5th going to have good chance to be there as well, so what are you complaining about?
Football is the world game, not only for Europeans and South Americans, so everyone had to have the chance to compete against the world best and if somebody didn't qualify it means they didn't deserve it.
The one thing I found not fair is the situation with Australia, instead of playing South Americans, they have to play against a lucky loser in CONCOCAF

[FANTA]

Originally posted by Dynamo_Milan
The one thing I found not fair is the situation with Australia, instead of playing South Americans, they have to play against a lucky loser in CONCOCAF

australia has to play the 5th ranked south american team, which will be either colombia or uruguay. whats unfair about that ? ... every WC they cruise through the oceania group and then play-off against the 'lucky loser' from some other continent. last time it was iran from the asia group. is it our fault we are so isolated from the rest ? are we suppose to chain 1000 tugboats to our country and drag it over to europe or something ?

most people say we have the easiest run, but if thats the case why have we only made the WC once ? in the past we've even had to play-off against maradona's argentina, and we almost beat them, losing 2-1 on aggregate. we should've gone through last time but i don't want to talk about the iran games.

whats worse, playing a home and away series against one team where you only have one shot at it, or in a group where you can lose 2 games and still have a good chance to qualify ?

[Dynamo_Milan]

Man you mist my point.
Who ever going to reach 5th spot in South America is not going to be a joke, maybe they will not have a chance to win the comp, but they definitely going to give some hard time for others teams.
So what I'm saying instead of throwing them into South American pool, they should play teams from a bit easier pools, so it be less joke teams at the World Cup, in this case CONCOCAF b/c Asia is the host.
The one problem Australia has is luck of commitment from the top players.

[FANTA]

yeah i know ... thats because teams like leeds don't want to release them.

but everyone will be playing when the time comes. we have some quality players who hardly ever play for australia like paul agostino (top scorer in bundesliga), viduka, kewell, kalac.

a full strength side for us would look like this:

schawzar (middlesbrough)

vidmar (rangers)
moore (rangers)
muscat (wolves)

skoko (racing genk)
okan (former lazio and fiorentina - now middlesbrough)
lazaridis (birmingham city)
kewell (leeds)

zane (lillestrom)
viduka (leeds)
agostino (1860 munich)


its pretty good. only a handfull of those players were playing in the confed. cup and they managed to beat brazil and france both 1-0.

we have games against france and italy coming up soon, and then the WC play-off game against whoever.

[Severus]

i like the australian nats fanta and i don't see any s.american side beating them. kewell is a fabulous player (would fit lovely with inter eh) and viduka is sheer power up there with an extraordinarily high level of skill. brilliant players !

however, i do question their patriotism though. well leading up to the playoff home and home. it seems that over the last couple of years they have been more devoted to leeds than their nation and their refusal to take part in any of the national matches is indicative of that. i hope they take part in the playoffs because australia probably may not make it without them, pending on who they play of course and i wouldn't wanna see that. the WC should feature the world's best players and there is absolutly NO REASON why KEWELL AND VIDUKA should not participate in the largest spectacle on earth !

[Steve2023]

I may be willing to place a $5,000 bet on us reaching the second round. I think its possible. After all only the Danish Crossbar stopped us in France 1998.

[Lusitânia Power]

Hell-O!!! :evil:

All this posts are from 2001, but I'm trying to reactivate this post because I want to say my opinion about how many teams each confederation should have in the WC 2010 in South Africa:

Europe: 14 spots

Africa: 5 spots

South America:4/5 spots

CONCACAF: 3/4 spots

Asia/Oceânia (that's right, since Australia joined AFC, I think that the OFC should do a fusion with AFC): 5 spots

the only playoff that should be played is with the 5th team of south America and the 4th team of Concacaf (the Inter-American Access Playoff to the World Cup :D )

that should be enough...for now, because in about a few days I will put here how in my opinion it should be the qualification of each Confederation :p

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[Chileno]

[QUOTE=Garrincha]Chile was officially disqualified already
[QUOTE]

Chile is NOT officially disqualified!! :mad2:

We need only 5 points to qualify on our own terms, 3 of wich we WILL get when we play Ecuador at home. The other 2 we must get from away games against Brasil :rolleyes: and Colombia. We could actually qualify with 4 points if the other games favour us and there is a high chance of this happening considering their remaining games.

I think S.America should have 5 DIRECT qualification spots. Six is too much considering there are only 10 teams in southamerica. Any less than 5 would be an outrage, even Brasil and Argentina may not qualify. They are all very good and better than some teams that qualify from other continents but as someone else said, this is a WC and all should get a chance at it so more than five would be too much.

This is what I think should be done...

Africa is good, but lets face it, they haven't won anything on adult levels. 5 is too much for them. I say they get 4, because they still have entretaining football and their best teams can make it to quarters.

The remaining direct spot should go to Oceania so they may have one secure representative once and for all. No more crossing the globe for playoffs.

In this way S.America gets 5 direct spots.

CONCACAF should only get two. Mexico and USA are way above the rest over there. Sure Costa Rica and Honduras are almost there and have shown improvement in past years but they are not quite there yet.

The remaining spot goes to Europe that has other very competitive teams that can't make it.

I think Asia is ok with 2.

BTW, these are the current S.American standings.

Team Pts

Argentina 31 (already in Germany 2006.)
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Brazil 27 (These two are almost there.)
Ecuador 23
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Paraguay 22 (Anything can happen here.)
Colombia 20
Chile 20
Uruguay 18
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Peru 15 (Need a miracle.)
Venezuela 15
Bolivia 13

Only 4 teams qualify directly the 5th spot plays against Australia.

[Lusitânia Power]

Hell-O!!! :evil:

I said in a earlier post that I put my opinion about the system of qualification that I think should be used in the WC 2010, in the different confederations, but I will put here already my opinion about the South American qualifiers to 2010 because of the last post, eheheh:

1. this thing of CONMEBOL League doesn't work for me, a team got to do 18 games just to know if it is qualified or not, I think it is to much...but of course there is always the $$$ behind, more games, more TV prizes, more $$ from the tickets, etc etc.

2. The CONMEBOL qualifier should be this way: 2 groups of 5 teams each, a team played 4 games home and 4 games out = 8 games. This give more time of rest to every team, and if they wish, a team from group 1 would do a friendly with a team from group 2 if they wanted so. And of course this would bring more time to prepare the Copa América, and other competitions that they wanted to enter, for example.

3. The qualified teams would be the winners and the runners-up of each group, and the thirds, would do a playoff to know which team face the 4th CONCACAF team (yes, I am in favour of a American playoff), to know which team would go to the WC.

4.Tomorrow, I will put my opinion about the CONCACAF, AFC/OFC fusion and African qualifiers to the WC 2010, and about now I'm waiting for your opinions, thank you :)

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[stuglue]

The qualification process will always have to be different for each WC as it is now rotated around the continents.Chile to miss out on 5th Ecuador and Paraguay to get 3rd and 4th,Venezuela need a miracle but here's hoping they beat Peru Pararguay and Brazil(last match of qualification you never know).Asia only deserves 4 maximum.

[Fan]

I also absolutely hate the Qualifying systems. The likes of North America and Asia getting 4/5 spots irks me beyond anything. North America needs only 2 spots for the US & Mexico and Asia only needs 2 spots also. What is the point of bringing in teams that will NEVER EVER have a chance of even going through to the next round? I guess they're there to let the true champions advance in glories.

I think Africa is justified though. They have a lot of teams yet only the #1 team in each group qualifies. Cameroon/Senegal/Ivory Coast is a lot better than Mexico/US or Japan/Korea/Saudi Arabia.

Austrialia, though, did a good thing to transfer to Asia's group. I laughed when I read a article about some football-head saying Austrialia moved to Asia to get "more competition." Any person w/ a decent brain can tell that Austrialia sucks so bad that they have to join Asia so they do not have to face South America's 5th place. If you relook at their qualifying campaign, you'll see that they (AUS) are struggling even w/ Oceania teams. I mean, that is really bad. It's a good thing though, b/c then that means that any South American team to go against Oceania in the future will totally 100% be guaranteed a win.

[bboy treble]

[QUOTE=Garrincha]Chile was officially disqualified already
[QUOTE]

Chile is NOT officially disqualified!! :mad2:

We need only 5 points to qualify on our own terms, 3 of wich we WILL get when we play Ecuador at home. The other 2 we must get from away games against Brasil :rolleyes: and Colombia. We could actually qualify with 4 points if the other games favour us and there is a high chance of this happening considering their remaining games.

I think S.America should have 5 DIRECT qualification spots. Six is too much considering there are only 10 teams in southamerica. Any less than 5 would be an outrage, even Brasil and Argentina may not qualify. They are all very good and better than some teams that qualify from other continents but as someone else said, this is a WC and all should get a chance at it so more than five would be too much.

This is what I think should be done...

Africa is good, but lets face it, they haven't won anything on adult levels. 5 is too much for them. I say they get 4, because they still have entretaining football and their best teams can make it to quarters.

The remaining direct spot should go to Oceania so they may have one secure representative once and for all. No more crossing the globe for playoffs.

In this way S.America gets 5 direct spots.

CONCACAF should only get two. Mexico and USA are way above the rest over there. Sure Costa Rica and Honduras are almost there and have shown improvement in past years but they are not quite there yet.

The remaining spot goes to Europe that has other very competitive teams that can't make it.

I think Asia is ok with 2.

BTW, these are the current S.American standings.

Team Pts

Argentina 31 (already in Germany 2006.)
---------------
Brazil 27 (These two are almost there.)
Ecuador 23
---------------
Paraguay 22 (Anything can happen here.)
Colombia 20
Chile 20
Uruguay 18
---------------
Peru 15 (Need a miracle.)
Venezuela 15
Bolivia 13

Only 4 teams qualify directly the 5th spot plays against Australia.

um those posts are from 2001 so they were not qualified by then

[Chileno]

um those posts are from 2001 so they were not qualified by then

:rolleyes: Wow, this forum is old...

[Lusitânia Power]

Hell-O!!!

Today 1st day of September, I will continue to give my opinion of what should be the qualifiers to the WC 2010 in South Africa, yesterday, I gave here my South American qualifying system, and today it will be, CONCACAF, Africa, and Asia/Oceania

1.CONCACAF(35 teams, 3 or 4 spots)- a North or Central American team got to do 20 games (!) just to be qualified to the WC, so my proposal is this:

1st Stage- 13 byes, and the 22 worst teams go to a playoff system in a home and away basis (11 vs 11), the qualified teams to the 2nd stage would be 24.

2nd stage- 8 groups of 3 teams each, and the winner of each group would go to the 3rd stage.

3rd stage- 2 groups of 4 teams each, and the winner of each group would go to the WC and the runners- up would go to a palyoff to decide who would go to the WC and who would go to another playoff with the 5th south american team.


2.AFRICA(1 host, 51 teams, 4 spots)- A African team in maximum would do 12 games and still got the African Nations Cup ( every 2 years) but it would be easier to do that cup every 4 years in the Olympic games years...

1st stage- 9 byes, and the 42 worst teams would go to a playoff (21 vs 21), the qualified teams would make 30.

2nd stage- 10 groups of 3 teams each, and the winners would go to the 3rd stage.

3rd stage- 2 groups of 5 teams, and the winners and runners-ups would be qualified to the WC, and joined S.Africa.


3.ASIA/OCEANIA( 57 teams, if Timor Lorosae join this qualifier, 5 spots), I tried to make less games (14 or 16) to all this teams, but I think this would do.

1st stage- 23 byes, and the 34 worst teams, you know...(17vs17) and the qualified teams would do 40.

2nd stage- 10 groups of 4 teams each and the winners would go to the 3rd stage.

3rd stage- 2 groups of 5 teams each, the winners and the runners-up would qualify to the WC, and the 3rds would go to a playoff to know which team go to the WC.


And there you have it! Tomorrow I got 4 proposal to the European qualifier to the WC 2010, and like said keep giving your opinions about this...thank you

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[stuglue]

FIFA seriously needs to sort out the continental championships.Africa should only play the Nations Cup once every 4 years like Europe and Asia after all it has plenty of Nations to play qualifiers for it.Conmebol and Concacaf should combine the Copa America and the Gold Cup.Conmebol would have their 10 countries and Concacaf would have 6,the tournament again would be once every 4 years.

[Lusitânia Power]

Hell-O!!! :evil:

today I'm going to put here my 4 proposals of European qualifying to the WC 2010, but first I like to say that I agree with stuglue, there should be a fusion of Copa America and the Gold Cup, with 16 teams, but I think that should be for that competition a qualifying round to know what team would discuss the AMERICA GOLD CUP (like the name??), like the other confederations.

Now here are my proposals for European qualifying:

1. 1st stage = 37 byes, the 15 worst teams drawn in 5 groups of 3 ( a team would do 4 games) and the winners pass to the 2nd stage, to make 42 teams.

2nd stage = 42 teams divided in 7 groups of 6 teams each, and the winners and runners-ups would pass to the WC (14 teams).


2. 52 teams divided in 4 groups of 13 teams each (a team would 12 games 6 home and 6 out with a different team, like the UEFA CUP group stage), the winners, runners-ups and the thirds would pass automatically to the WC, the 4ths, would do a playoff (2 vs 2) in 2 legs the winners would go to the WC.


3. 52 teams divided in 7 groups of 6 teams and 2 groups of 5 teams each, the winners and the best runner-up would pass to the WC and the other 8 runners-ups would go to a playoff (4vs4) to know the other 4 qualified teams.


4. 1st stage = 52 teams divided in 14 groups (10 groups of 4 and 4 groups of 3) the winners and runners-ups (28) go to the 2nd stage.

2nd stage = 28 teams divided in 7 groups of 4 teams each. the winners and runners-ups pass to the WC, 14 teams.


So, a european team would do 10 or 12 games, in general, and in the 1st proposal, the weakest teams would face each other to know which deserve to face the big guys. Oh, and I disagree with the qualifying system to the Euro 2008, is stupid for me.

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[Lusitânia Power]

It seems nobody cares about this...well I know my voice isn't enough to reach the FIFA bosses but the people who loves football all toghether could make a difference in trying to change the qualifications systems.

[BRISTOLUK]

It seems nobody cares about this....
I do...this is the one I think I like best.


1st stage = 37 byes, the 15 worst teams drawn in 5 groups of 3 ( a team would do 4 games) and the winners pass to the 2nd stage, to make 42 teams.
2nd stage = 42 teams divided in 7 groups of 6 teams each, and the winners and runners-ups would pass to the WC (14 teams).

My concern with Euro qualifying has always been about the balance at the top. In the WC, with FIFA (not unreasonably) wanting some geographical balance there is always likely to be a group of death. I don't see why there should be a G.O.D. in geographical qualifying. To have teams like Ukraine, Turkey, Denmark and (euro champs) Greece in one group while Norway (with the greatest respect) is the second best in another group is just silly. Even in qualifying for Euro 2008, UEFA has it wrong. Denmark, Spain and Sweden in one group while the strongest threat to Holland comes from Romania, Bulgaria and Slovenia? Come on UEFA, that's totally unbalanced.

[Lusitânia Power]

thank you BristolUK, I'm happy you understand my point.