TSL Week 8: Manisaspor vs. Fenerbahce

[Fenerliyim]

We are against Giray Bulak's team, and this guy always causes us problems. The game is on Saturday at 20:00. Hopefully we win, but we do have a problem of winning after european games

[Fenerliyim]

apparently Appiah is in the 18 man match squad

[Fener19*07bahce]

Iwant appiah back so badd...Hopefully we will be able to pull one out..We need to get back to the top in the tsl

[cengo]

We need to win this one otherwise the gap to the top will be too big.

Yasin will play instead of Edu who didnt go to Manisa with the team.

[Fry36]

I can't wait till I see Api play. Missed him so much on the team. And Yasin is proving his transfer was a right one.

[SiN]

Well FB will be hungry for the win, away games are tough to call in the TSL but FB should fire up. I say a 2-0 win.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Fenerbahce should win this game..If we don't win, championship gets just a lil harder once again..

[Fenerliyim]

Man i feel bad for Can Arat

[Fkilic]

damn fener just scored

[Fkilic]

1-1

[aslanlar]

Finished 1-1. Now i'm just waiting for GS to go 9 up :)

[Bosanac]

What a red card. :mad: What a disgrace

[Fenerliyim]

These Refs are a disgrace, giving kezman a red card while sinan kaloglu's move gets a yellow giving 6 minutes of extra time then ending at 4 minutes.

Man the TSL isnt even worth watching these days, with Ulusoy at reign hes making sure fener dont get anywhere.

I mean if anyone still thinks the tff and refs arent anti-fener u guys must either be blind or menalty ill.

[SiN]

Should have been a relatively easy match for FB. I wonder what happend.

p.s Fenerliyim i think its time to stop blaming the refs and TFF and start realising your teams mistakes.

[Fkilic]

everyone here should already know i'm a gala fan but i will admit fener has a alot of big players this year that are good but the chemistry is horrible. The whole game i just saw roberto carlos ask for the ball and screw it up. All free kicks were from him and he did most the trow in's ... the only good thing he did was that one throw in but they couldn't capitalize of that. I'm just saying the team needs to learn to work together and not be ball hogs ... and put appiah in the starting 11 ... seriously the guy is freaking amazing

[Bosanac]

Should have been a relatively easy match for FB. I wonder what happend.

p.s Fenerliyim i think its time to stop blaming the refs and TFF and start realising your teams mistakes.


Its' so obvious. You obviously didn't watch the game, so don't comment on it Sinan. I'm getting sick of these little responses that have nothing to do with the game itself. Did you see the red card? If yes, did you think it was worth a red card? Because you know what, it wasn't even deserving a faul.

But of course you don't care about the justice, it all works out in favor of your club. In other words, just shut the hell up.

We here blame the root of the problem, whether it's the team, the coach or the ref. This case, it was the ref. You know me, I never blame the ref unless I got a good case against them.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Its' so obvious. You obviously didn't watch the game, so don't comment on it Sinan. I'm getting sick of these little responses that have nothing to do with the game itself. Did you see the red card? If yes, did you think it was worth a red card? Because you know what, it wasn't even deserving a faul.

But of course you don't care about the justice, it all works out in favor of your club. In other words, just shut the hell up.

We here blame the root of the problem, whether it's the team, the coach or the ref. This case, it was the ref. You know me, I never blame the ref unless I got a good case against them.
Lets not go too far, it was definitly a yellow, not a red but a yellow card.

[Bosanac]

Lets not go too far, it was definitly a yellow, not a red but a yellow card.


Why a yellow? Could he had jumped over the goal-keeper? What is he, some olympic medalist jumper?

Could he have stopped in that spot? What could he have done? These things happen, and they never get called. Except in TSL for Fenerbahce.

[Fkilic]

dude chill ... its all over with ... getting mad at it wont do anything

[Bosanac]

dude chill ... its all over with ... getting mad at it wont do anything


If we had a fanatic Fenerbahce president of Turkish football, you would be mad too. So don't tell me to chill, you're the one benefiting from this, of course you're relaxed. Don't expect me to.

[SiN]

:lol: Ill be back later, hold on i have to stop laughing....

[Bosanac]

You think this is funny?

It's funny how Fenerbahce hasn't had a penalty this whole season, and about 1 last season? How Galatasaray scored countless of goals from penalties? How we see red cards like these, and you're laughing? Peh.. Of course you are.

[Fenerliyim]

our chemisty sucks yet we play beatifully in the CL. No i think its the TSL which is the problem. The other teams dont play football, they play rugby.

and in europe refs actually call fouls and dont make bias calls.

[Fenerliyim]

and dont tell me ulusoy isnt a fanatic gs fan, watch the replay of gs fourth goal against sion he almost fell out of his seat due to his great happiness. Disgrace how he acts, kisses and hugs hakan when gs won the tsl 2 yrs ago. Soon the guy is gonna cry of happiness

[Fkilic]

okay listen, I would be mad if the ref's didn't give gala a penalty when they deserved one but fener fans are overreacting. If anyone should be mad at the ref's it should be Besiktas ... did you see there game it was two or three weeks ago when the ref's didn't give them that goal that they desereved. Point is that ref's make mistakes.

[Bosanac]

How come that never happens with Galatasaray? In fact, it's always the opposite that happens?

This isn't the first time something like this is happening, around 4 penalties according to Kezman weren't given just this season to us. I don't even want to talk about last season.

[SiN]

Have you ever thought about the fact that most of Galatasarays penalties have infact been genuine fouls inside the 18 yard box, comparing to Fenerbahces pathetic excuses for fouls?

Ok perhaps you had a few genuine fouls inside the area and the ref did not award you with a penalty. But looking at last seasons footage alone proves that out of those 8 fouls probably 2 of those were genuine penalties.

This season, how many penalty positions have you guys been involved in the TSL? Around 2-3? Get used to it Bos, thats the way it is. Why does every FB fan have to blame someone else??

Thats a major characteristic in a FB fan, when something doesint go your way, just whinge until you get it right. Pathetic.

[Fry36]

Fatih if there's any show of chemistry on the team it's thanks to Alex and Carlos. I don't agree with you about Carlos messing up every ball. The runs he makes from offense to defense to take over the ball are amazing and he does these things every day. I don't see how you can badmouth the guy.

And about the refs. See...what Sinan was saying would be right IF we were playing football that deserved us losses and ties. But in fact we have a team out there not giving up for the whole 90 minutes. Fenerbahce is definitely playing above average, whether it's the through balls, how the left wing works, and the defense lately (except for Edu's mistake last game its been pretty solid). The only problems are Kezman not performing well enough, and the right wing being left to Onder completely since Deivid likes to move towards the middle during the game. But the "unseen" penalties are always in critic times that could affect how many points we get. I'd agree with Sinan completely if we played BS football and got in penalty positions out of sheer luck. But that's not how it is. We know our mistakes and we're trying to fix them, but our points are still stolen by the refs. This is the 7th game, and so far we've had a good 7 penalties stolen, and this god awful red card, and many defenders of the opposite team beating up Kezman every game. It's funny, though. The refs never see Kezman pretty much get his ass kicked, but once Kezman answers back with a push or an elbow, BEEEEP, yellow.

So please guys, don't come at us with this "stop with the refs, look at your own game" crap. You know damn well that if these "mishaps" occured against GS, you would not be speaking like this.

Fact: GS takes a penalty, fair or unfair, pretty much every game.
Another fact: No mercy shown to GS' opponents when it comes to showing cards.
And another fact: Most unfair calls are made in GS benefit. Wrong corners, wrong freekicks, etc.

If you disagree with any of these, I really think you should rewatch GS' games this season. I watch the games with my brother in law who is a Trabzonspor fan and even though he hates Fenerbahce, he is baffled game after game when it's GS playing. So it's not just Fener fans.

You know I don't have a problem with the fair whistles being called for GS, but I do have a problem with these same calls not being made for other teams. Looking at the past 7 weeks, it's easy to tell that a freekick in a Galatasaray vs some team is not the same as a freekick in a Fenerbahce vs some team's game.

Again, we know our -s. We also know our +s. We started with a horrible defense. Now it's fixed. Our left wing, fixed. Alex, fixed. Aurelio, fixed. Volkan, fixed.

And look at it from a psychologic point of view. Which would you expect to play better? X team who gets refs call for their benefit, both fair and unfair, consistentlyl; or Y team who has refs calling against their favor, blatantly unfair. What would Hakan's mindstate be if he was getting kicked around all game with no fouls called? What would Kezman's mindstate be if every foul done to him was seen and acted upon by the ref? Who would have a better performance with that in their heads?

It's easy to say "don't worry about the refs, worry about your team" but sometimes it's beyond "just" our team.

[Bosanac]

I don't know if you've been brainwashed, or if you're blind. I don't know, I can't tell at this moment. Last season however, for about 25+ weeks.. we did not have a penalty. That is uncharacteristic, it's impossible for a team who was the champions to only have 1 penalty. I mean think about it, we're obviously a force to be feared. Hell, we were the champions, so we must've been inside the penalty box a lot.. for 34 weeks. And out of those 34 games, you're telling me that there was only 1 penalty? Compared to how many Galatasaray had? 10, 20? How many?

Can you see the pattern here with Ulusoy being a Galatasaray fan? Are you going to tell me that it was just a coincidence. Are you going to sit there and tell me that Galatasaray did not favor from all those 'ref mistakes' when in truth all ref mistakes worked in Galatasaray favor. Snap out of that pathetic biased state of mind, and actually look at things from a neutral point of view. You'll see the pattern.

[SiN]

Im not going to sit here and argue about a pointless topic, but, in some areas of your argument i agree that perhaps there is something wierd going on between the number of penalties GS recieves comparing to FB. But i certainly would not give a flying ***k if we did not recieve a penalty we deserved. Its a part of the game of football. Just move on. Thats something you cant do. Thats not my problem.

[Fry36]

Oh my God...Sinan please stop with that video. I know this with every ounce of my existence that if GS wasn't shown penalties HALF AS OBVIOUS as those in the vid, there'd be heads rolling. Stop writing about Fener with that huge prejudice. I try to be as objective as possible while reviewing GS. Yes, they play pretty football. Yes, Orkun is great lately. Yes, Lincoln is an awesome #10. No, the National team doesn't need Karan. Yes, Hakan needs to be given some extra credit when looking at his ups and downs since he plays better than your average 37 year old. No, Arda wosn't be another Emre if he is tutored by Lincoln as opposed to Hagi tutoring Emre. Yes, Hakan Balta is one of the most on point transfers this season. Yes, Kalli is shutting everyone up, and a bigger yes, I love how he shuts the press up.

So let's leave the "All Fener fans are like this and that" crap out can we?

[Bosanac]

Sinan, I wouldn't be mad if it happened once or twice. It's just football as you said, and ref mistakes happen. But when things like that keep happenin over and over and over again in the same fashion with always a same team benefiting from them, you get to a boiling point.

It's just not fair, It's not football. It's become a fight between Ulusoy and Yildirim.. or in other words, FB vs GS fight that we, Fenerbahce, are losing.

It's not like there is something we can do about it, so what else to do than unsatisfyingly express our opinions here. And you know, it'll be a whole lot better if you actually stop replying since you obviously don't give a rats ass about the topic.

[Fry36]

Im not going to sit here and argue about a pointless topic, but, in some areas of your argument i agree that perhaps there is something wierd going on between the number of penalties GS recieves comparing to FB. But i certainly would not give a flying ***k if we did not recieve a penalty we deserved. Its a part of the game of football. Just move on. Thats something you cant do. Thats not my problem.
Wouldn't give a flying ***k huh? That's funny. I remember it just like yesterday. The refs had trouble seeing Nobre pull off off the wall shit to score and every GS fan I knew were going nuts with the ol' "if GS did it this and this would happen" or the classic "well it is the "Fenerasyon".

A part of football? Wow, I think I'm done here. Then again why wouldn't it be a part of football? The unaffected side is leading, with 9 points to spare to the club crying and moaning about these "parts of football"

Let me ask you this.

Remember last season when Aziz Yildirim said "Yadda yadda we'll take Fenerbahce off the league if these injustices don't stop yadda yadda rabble rabble"? And everybody (hell most Fener fans too) laughed at this idiotic statement.
The same exact sentence was used by Yildirim Demiroren 2 matches ago.

And why isn't a big deal made when he says this shit? Why is it that Aziz Yildirim (whose damn tongue I'm not fond if neither) is always criticised in the heaviest fashion when Yildirim Demiroren says the same exact words? Can it be the overall hatred for Fenerbahce? No wait...it's just part of football! These things happen! Every league has a team hated by all 17 clubs! Why not work together and try to hurt this club and make it 17 against 1?!

Back then people had a reasonable excuse for not liking Fenerbahce. Because of Aziz Yildirim. Before that it was Ali Sen. But are Demiroren, Celal Kolot, Adnan Polat, Canaydin so much better? Is Nuri Albayrak the honored man in sports these days? Are Fener's fans as disgusting as you guys make it out to be, or is it a double standard, seeing that Trabzonspor has some of the most aggressive fans, while the rest of the teams fans' are definitely not the honorable examples of fair play? This "hated" team could have very well been Galatasaray, but it's not. So why bother see the truth when it's so perfect? The biggest rival is not only hated by the other rival, but every other opponent out there.

[Bosanac]

They know what is happening Fry. Nobody is that stupid.


What I don't understand is how it doesn't bother them too? How can they celebrate an undeserved at the end of the season?

[Fry36]

Bosanac just reminded me of something I always denied seeing and that's the ol "Yildirim vs Ulusoy" beef. If somebody told me that because of 2 people, millions of people would hate each others footballing guts, I wouldn't believe it. But unfortunately this is the source of the hatred. It's so ***king sad I can't find words to explain it.

I mean think about it. Let's say Fenerbahce and Galatasaray both have 20 million fans each. From these fans let's say a good amount of:
-Fenerbahce supporters have sympathy towards the actions of Yildirim but not the words that come out of his mouth...
-...while have hatred for everything Ulusoy stands for, whether it's how we've become the lauging stock of the UEFA with our pathetic punishments, lack of unity within the federation which leads to the revision and decreasements of these pathetic fines and punishments, the fact that the quickest decision takes months, the uncertainty when it comes to foreign players (the issue isn't the number, it's Ulusoy not being able to give the public an exact answer until almost the deadline of the transfer season), how some teams are more prioritized upon, etc.

And Galatasaray fans:
-Love Canaydin's speechs, the fair play driven talks, the future plans, transfer plans etc but hate the fact that almost 75% of the things promised never happen (i.e. the new stadium, various big names to transfer, more improved GS Store, etc).
-Think that Ulusoy's existence in the football in Turkey isn't really affecting much other than making other teams cry. Also Ulusoy supporting Galatasaray blatantly is bullshit, and even if he was, he would be right since GS is the club with the biggest European achievement yet. Not to mention Ulusoy must be doing a good job if he has all those other losers crying about him.

Now with these people in charge, why and how would anybody see the 100 years of friendship within the Istanbul clubs? How the hell am I supposed to focus on the flavor these teams give each other, the competition they make for each other that leads to achievements, when I have these people blocking my view of football? Why is football, a 90 minute game played on a field, less visible than the politics of the business?

And here we are going at each other because of referees. Maybe we'll never have an above average leauge, but I think at least knowing why is a step towards fixing that problem. Unlike Sinan said I don't think these are just a part of football. They're parts of politics that shouldn't be mixing with football. We could all pick people to blame for this, but it doesn't change the fact that the problem is there.

[SiN]

I care about the topic as much as you both do and i appreciate you both have gone into great depth and stayed up for this long thinking and putting your valuable time and effort into showing how much you both feel and care about this issue aswell.

I admire both of you guys with great respect and you know i wouldint want to get on the bad side with you 2, due to the fact that we are all brothers here and that deep inside we all know the TSL is corrupted by high class people who just would do anything to switch the power into their hands. I will not deny my sympathy towards you genuine FB fans and i dont want you both to think that i am one of those anti-fb fanatics. I am not like that and i agree with you both in some aspects.

Having said that, i do however have my own personal beliefs and i dont want to press them any further. I hope this issue will be resolved as soon as possible and that FB gets eqaul treatment in the TSL like all the other teams.

I hope things change and refs and officials become a bit more in your favour in the future. What else can i say?

[Fenerliyim]

Im not going to sit here and argue about a pointless topic, but, in some areas of your argument i agree that perhaps there is something wierd going on between the number of penalties GS recieves comparing to FB. But i certainly would not give a flying ***k if we did not recieve a penalty we deserved. Its a part of the game of football. Just move on. Thats something you cant do. Thats not my problem.

Its a part of the game of football, thats wat everyone says when its not their team being screwed. SiN if the refs were costing u a championship u would be flipping out. I mean of the top of my head i can remember two wrong calls in favour of GS, last week ARda hits it out, the refs gives a goal kick then changes his mind and gives a corner, wat do gs do, they score. I also remember on game when hakan was going for the bicycle kick and out of nothing a penalty is given even Hakan was like WTF. Tell me one 50/50 call GS does not get.

Each week just look at the threads we have about a minimum of two penalties or game changing calls made against us.

[Fkilic]

Again, with what sinan said. We cannot change anything. I also do have sympathy with you FB fans. Besiktas is going through the same thing these past couple weeks and the Besiktas owner also said that he would take the team out of the TSL. Hopefully things will get better

[Fenerliyim]

See i am all for taking Fener out of the TSL but that would probably disqualify us from the Champions League right now so i'd rather not.

[Fry36]

I have no doubt you guys also care about the issue. If you've seen the highlights of this week's Anadolu teams' games...oh my God. Ankaragucu - Sivas game was pretty much slaugtered by the ref, and the same goes for the Istanbul Belediye game. It's just not getting better. And then you hear the "refs are humans too" bs on TV. What are the European refs, superhumans?

I missed the Besiktas and Galatasaray games this week, though. How were the refs there? I kinda slept till like 3...

[SiN]

The ref was shocking in the GS - kayseri match but i cant complain, because i know most of those refs have other jobs aswell they are not full time referees. they need to learn a bit more and be more professional sometimes.

[Fry36]

It can't be worse than a ref whose first job is being a police officer. Then again they did assign a new straight out of the packaging ref to the Bursaspor game this week.

[SiN]

Hahahaha

He is like a robot, they switched him on for the first time.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Why a yellow? Could he had jumped over the goal-keeper? What is he, some olympic medalist jumper?

Could he have stopped in that spot? What could he have done? These things happen, and they never get called. Except in TSL for Fenerbahce.
:lol: If some other player had done that to volkan, you would have been screaming ULUSOY ISTIFA

[Bosanac]

:lol: If some other player had done that to volkan, you would have been screaming ULUSOY ISTIFA


Doh.

Because if some other player had done that to Volkan, it wouldn't even have been a faul.

That's the reason why I'm even talking about this here, double standards.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Doh.

Because if some other player had done that to Volkan, it wouldn't even have been a faul.

That's the reason why I'm even talking about this here, double standards.
I am sorry but if you say that, than you are thinking too much while watching a game, we're already down in the ditch pretty deep. If ulusoy really is doing somthing, he would rather send them to gs games rather than fb games..I am giving my opinion, dont want any1 disagreeing to go like this--->:mad2:

[Bosanac]

I am sorry but if you say that, than you are thinking too much while watching a game, we're already down in the ditch pretty deep. If ulusoy really is doing somthing, he would rather send them to gs games rather than fb games..I am giving my opinion, dont want any1 disagreeing to go like this--->:mad2:

Okay, Fener. :)

I must've been crazy to go all out mad due to a red card shown to Kezman because he couldn't stop his run and stepped on the goal keeper. What was a thinking, right?

Ulusoys influence over the refs is real Fener, and if you don't believe it.. than I advise you to pay a little more attention when you're watching our games and the games of other teams.. especially GS.