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Fry36

01-21-2008, 02:54 AM

Surprised there isn't a thread about him here.

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He's played 173 matches since his arrival in the attacking midfield position. Here are his unbelievable stats: 87 goals 90 assists.

In 07/08: (as of Jan 20, 2008)
TSL: 7 goals, 6 assists.
UCL: 4 goals, 3 assists

He's the most talked about, most envied, most appreciated, most useful foreign player in the Turkish Super League right now. Every year several teams will bring in players that are supposedly in the same caliber, no, players that are supposedly 5-6x better than Alex, and none come even close to his success. Of course it's not the players' fault. It's the retarded managers and club board members who hype players up beyond all logic.

The players that were supposed to "embarrass Alex", "make Alex leave Turkey", "shine x player's cleats", or "double his stats":
Ricardinho (Besiktas)
Delgado (Besiktas)
Carrusca (Galatasaray)
Sasa Ilic (Galatasaray)
Lincoln (Galatasaray)
Franck Ribery (Galatasaray)

Out of all these players, none managed to come close to even half of Alex's success. Franck Ribery seemed the most promising, but he had to uhh..leave the country. (playing in Bayern, but that's another story ;)). Other than that, Delgado just got in form after a year and a half, and he looks like the closest candidate, but only if Alex stops playing for the next 2 seasons...

Fact of the matter is, all these players would have been more useful for their teams if they weren't constantly being compared with Alex. Setting up insanely high standards and pressure for players you don't even know yet almost always results in disappointment. I certainly wouldn't feel good about having to score or at least assist in every game.

With players like Alex, Lincoln, Delgado, and the prime example, Hagi, the whole team has to be worked around them. They have to be the brain of the squad. This is probably why Alex is so successful in Fenerbahce. It's come to the point that he controls so much, when he's not playing, the team has to work 3x as hard to get into scoring opportunities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DAAisWYsA

Mavi

01-21-2008, 05:24 AM

He is just awsome.

F_PC_ENTER

01-21-2008, 05:31 AM

Nice thread :thumbsup:

Fenerliyim

01-21-2008, 05:46 AM

threads merged

Fry36

01-22-2008, 06:36 PM

Hmm so there was a thread about him.

F_PC_ENTER

02-02-2008, 10:23 PM

Why does Alex always run to that particular corner of the stadium after he scores?

What's so special about that corner?

Fry36

02-03-2008, 07:52 AM

One of the corners in the stadium is called "Alex Tribunu." Other times I think he just goes toward where his wife is.

Fenerliyim

02-12-2008, 06:19 PM

Fry36

02-13-2008, 12:14 AM

HAHAHA that's ***kin' classic. :lol: :lol:

BTW it's 89 goals and 91 or 93 assists now I think.

Fener19*07bahce

02-13-2008, 04:07 AM

Hey, we all have to post to that guy Nocedduro to be a part of Turkish soccerfansnetwork history. :lol:

FB_NY

02-16-2008, 02:55 AM

Guys you are wrong about there is no thread for Alex. Maybe not in this section ( Turkish football ), but when we got Alex to Fenerbahce in 2004 ipost a thread in Brazilian football section to ask them how good he is. Around the same time if you guys remember we got Fabiano Lima Rodriguez. So i started a thread at July 03 2004. And it is imazing that today if you look at the Brazilian Football section it is the 4th most viewed thread with 15,432 views.
1. Pele or Maradona? (25,825 views)
2. Diego Armando Maradona The best!!! (25,374 views)
3. Th Brazilian National Team (23,582 views)
and
4. Alex De Soza and Fabiano Lima Rodriguez (15,432 views)

I want you to take a look at some of the threads that Alex's thread has viewed more in Brazilian football section.

RONALDO
ZİCO vs MARADONA
RONALDİNHO
CARECA
RONALDO vs MAADONA
ROMARİO
RİVALDO

And there are other threads called Alex De Souza Show that shows some of magnificent goals from Alex in his FENERBAHCE's first days. Alex De Souza show 4 (1960 views) 2 (1692 views), 6 (1280 views)

That also shows that people in Brazil loves him more than so many world class players. And our media still questions this guy. Shame.

Fenerliyim

03-20-2008, 03:37 AM

Alex: Benfica's Offer Was Poor
Fenerbahçe attacking midfielder Alex insists that he was approached by several European clubs last summer, only to turn down every single offer...
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galleria zoom The Brazilian international's previous contract expired at the end of the 2006/07 season, with Alex having received offers from European clubs, keen to add such a highly-rated player to their ranks.

One of clubs that showed interest in Alex's services were Benfica, who had lost longtime captain Simão Sabrosa to Atletico Madrid and were in dire need of a new playmaker.

However, he has revealed that the Portuguese offer was unsatisfactory, saying: "Financially speaking, Benfica's offer was very poor."

Meanwhile, the 30-year-old admitted to have had offers from German clubs, but added that he turned down talks with Borussia Dortmund and Hertha Berlin as it was his wish to play in European competitions.

"The two German clubs were not going to play in European competitions, although there is an interest in playing in that country," he said.

Turkish Dream

Alex is enjoying a fine season at Fenerbahçe, having seen his side progress to the Champions League Quarter-finals after defeating Spanish rivals Sevilla.

The former Palmeiras talent has confirmed that European success was one of the reasons that made him sign a contract extension with the Turkish champions.

"The president said that he would bring new players and make a strong team for the Champions League.

"That made me stay," he concluded.

Luís Mira

nice article about Alex

Metink5

03-20-2008, 04:03 AM

nice :thumbsup: Glad that he stayed!

Fry36

03-20-2008, 05:23 AM

If Aziz Yildirim doesn't do something, he's gonna end up going back to Palmeiras at the end of next seasonto finish his career. :( Somebody really needs to stop him.

Mavi

03-20-2008, 05:55 AM

Im doubting that. He wants to play in Europe and thats what hes getting here.

Bosanac

03-20-2008, 06:02 AM

Fenerliyim

03-20-2008, 06:17 AM

I see ronaldinho in the future

Metink5

03-20-2008, 06:21 AM

haha i wish. I could see someone like Diego maybe

Fry36

03-20-2008, 06:30 AM

He is 30 though..

I know you all like him, and I do too.. but realisticly speaking, we will need a new play-maker in couple of seasons anyway. I really don't think he will be as good once he goes over 33, maybe even 32.

He's not Roberto Carlos, you know :sad:
Wasn't Zidane 34 when he retired? It's not like Alex runs around the field as much as Zidane. The guy uses his head to play his game, he'll be just as good until he's in his mid 30s. We don't see anything wrong with Carlos who does a whole lot more running than Alex. And besides, which Alex do you like better, the one from 2004 or the one from 2008? He's not the type of player that takes the ball from the midfield and dashes through the defense (at least not often).

Zare

03-20-2008, 06:52 AM

i understand you guys want to keep him until 35 right now, but his performances will go down. He is not a player like zidane, carlos, or a ryan giggs. these players were magnificient, they had the best trainers around that took care of them very well, plus their bodies were built upon a strong structure. alex doesnt use a lot of energy, but he will go down performance wise, that's when everyone looks at each other and asks when are we getting a new playmaker.

my suggestion is look for someone thats 22 or 23 good strength. let him practice in the back for a couple years, let him get established with the team. do a lot of strength conditioning. while he learns from others at the same time as well. then when alex become a 1st half kind of guy, slowly introduce him into the games. then when the next season rolls around, bam he will be solid.

and quite possibly you will have one of the greatest players of all time. they did the same thing with carson palmer, for only like one year, and the guy is solid.

Fry36

03-20-2008, 07:08 AM

I agree with you about bringing a new playmaker early but Alex will probably never become the "first half" kind of guy. I'm pretty sure until he's done with Fenerbahce, he's gonna be the most vital part of the team and do the full 90 minutes every time. I wanted Olcan to be our next playmaker but he's doing horrible in Karsiyaka and I doubt he's going to be considered anymore. Same with Gurhan, who can't stop getting injured. Our best bet until we find a true playmaker after Alex is Deivid. He's 2 years younger (but destined to age faster) and unfortunately the best we got. No CAM type youngsters coming out of this squad...

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 03:32 AM

We could look outside of Turkey, Fry.

We want to be a strong team, a force to be reckoned with in Europe.. right? If we want that, we can't be a senior retirement home. A bus full of people over 30s.

As the playmaker role is the most crucial for any team, we must think ahead. Scout right now, before Alex has a chance to disappoint us all. If we keep him for 3 more season, trust me.. he will. They always do. AC Milan is an example.

Now is the 'perfect' time to buy a good quality young player, as we are in the QT stage of the biggest tournament in the World. We are not considered a loser team by youngsters who want to prove themselves in Europe, and they can -by all means, use our team as a weapon.

Fenerliyim

03-21-2008, 03:36 AM

Well Milan was a forced to be reckoned with and they had a lot of players over 30

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 03:38 AM

Different kind of players, Fener. Time catches up faster with 'some people' than other.. and trust me, this isn't one of those 'maybe our team will be as good old' times too.

We can't ignore the reality.. if we want to stay on top.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 04:02 AM

So we need to buy Chivu off Inter and Diego off Werder Bremen asap? I don't think our scouts are good enough to find youngsters with such potential. Maybe if Alex himself recommended somebody like he did with Deivid and Maldonado.

I really want Chivu though...:D

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 04:04 AM

Not necessarily, Fry. Those players already proved themselves, for once.. you know about them. We could dig a little deeper, I'm sure we would find 'our own' Chivus or Diegos.

..or even better scouts.

Why not, seriously? We're quarter finalists of this great competition. I for one didn't think we'd make it. Now that we did, why not take a full advantage of it?

Kanarya

03-21-2008, 04:07 AM

well we were going to buy Eto'o when he was only 18 yrs old, but Real Madrid board asked for 5m euros and Aziz Yildirim said that's too much for a kid.

for eg. Kaka --> Antep
for eg. Geremei --> Gencler (who actually signed)

there are still a few more..

EDIT: Fenerbahce is a team which can buy which ever player they want and whenever, its just that why would they wanna sign and play for Fener in a crappy league, when they can play in england, itali, spain, germany etc..

whenever whoever = Anelka, Rebrov, Alex, Ortega, Okocha ;)

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 04:10 AM

Okay, than. Better scouts it is :D

Gimme the job Aziz, I will make you proud. :D

I mean.. as you guys know, I can also be very stubborn and convincing ;)

--
..Seriously though, we need to take a full advantage of the position we're in.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 04:11 AM

Yeah but we're talking about buying players we're not gonna use on the starting lineup until Alex and Carlos retire. When are these players going to prove themselves to the club, or hell, show some light for the future? Gokhan Gonul was lucky because he took Onder's spot. Who could take Alex or Carlos' spot in this team? If we buy a LB and a CAM we're just going to keep them on the bench for 90% of the time, and they're not going to become anything until Alex and Carlos leave. That's why I think we should get young but proven players after Alex and Carlos so we won't suffer what GS is going through right now. It's not impossible. We don't have to go for Robinhos and Bojan Krkics, but there has to be good-young players in leagues like Portugal, Russia, Holland etc who wanna move to clubs that always get a CL spot.

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 04:16 AM

Why wait for Alex to retire?

As late-night infomercials say..

The Time Is Now! Buy it, before it's (the precious position) gone!

:D

Kanarya

03-21-2008, 04:18 AM

Im not talking about proffesional footballers, im talking about PAF, players under the age of 17, 18 at least!

its enough, buying players which are over the age of 30, buying players which havnt shown themselves for 2/3 years, we have to produce our own from now on

Seriously I was following the livescore site today, Barca vs. Valencia, Semi Final of one of the biggest domestic cups in the world! and Valencia were up 2-0 at one stage some kid! which is only 18 years old scored, the game eventually finished 3-2 for Valencia and the bloody kid Mata scored 2 of Valencias goals!.

Seriously, I felt like crying when I searched for who this kid Mata is, he's only 18, playing against the best team in the world and in the Semi Final!.

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 04:20 AM

You seem to have made a good point there, Kanarya. ;)

It's a shame you don't have a channel like GolTV. I always get to watch those games.. (sorry if I seem like rubbing it in your face)

We can't be like a Barcelona, that I will concede. But we currently are almost like a Valencia.

its enough, buying players which are over the age of 30, buying players which havnt shown themselves for 2/3 years, we have to produce our own from now on

Especially since the proven, good quality players are out of our budget.

Kanarya

03-21-2008, 04:38 AM

Kezman earns 3.5m euros a year

*we gave him 1 and a half years of wages for nothing! = more than 5m euros!

god knows wtf's going on with Appiah's wage.

4m euros is way too much for Carlos

Alex gets 2.5m euros, he surely deserves more than that!!!

what the ***k is the board wating for, Semih earns what? 1m euros a year? give the bloke 2m euros a season, extend the contract for another 3/4 years!!!

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 05:21 AM

I think they're being smart about it, Kanarya. They never really gave Semih a chance, and he's still at our team while he's not really the type of a player that should be constantly subbed. He's just happy to be at Fenerbahce. :)

It's good that we save money on players like Semih. Hopefully will with Gokhan, and Vederson too. Other two promising players who (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) don't nearly get paid as much as our other so-called stars eventhough they probably deserve more.

We're smart when it comes to money management, but why can't we make a smart move for once?

Kanarya

03-21-2008, 05:27 AM

I put Semih on that list only bcoz, I read the other day that Atletico are after him and are willing to give him 2m euros a season, Semih earns 1.1m euros a season, he said if Fenerbahce give's me 1.7m euros I'd be happy to stay.

2m euros is nothing for Semih 'Goal Machine' Senturk.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 05:32 AM

I don't think Carlos is getting too much. We got the guy for free, and look where we are now. And considering Alex is doing more work than 5 players put together, his 2.5 isn't that bad neither. And if you split Mateja's money into two, considering his partner Semih gets nearly nothing compared to him, overall it looks like we're doing pretty good with the salaries. Then again, we do have players like Kemal, Can, Ali Bilgin, and Kazim who just sit on their asses and collect that money, but I guess every team got those. Can you ***king believe Kemal though? The guy's been with us for like 7 years and nothing, no improvement whatsoever. The only time you'll ever see him is when he's on FBTV throwing eggs and flour at people. Ugh.

Kanarya

03-21-2008, 05:37 AM

lol. about Kemal, he surely doesnt deserve to be at Fenerbahce but he did have serious injuries, he is a good player imo, he can play at teams like Gencler, Kayseri, Sivas (top anadolu teams) just like that.

And the 2 games he played back a month or so he scored two goals.. (forgot if those 2 games was the league or cup)

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 05:38 AM

Okay, Fry. Let's get rid of Kemal and buy a new fresh pair of fast legs.

:)

I don't see why you can't agree with me on the fact that Alex won't be as good in a few years time, I mean I don't have to go on a crusade to convince you, do I? Is it so hard to concede that our beloved Alex won't be 'the beloved Alex' once years hit him?

Really, why does most (if not all) of the Turkish football managements always wait to be disappointed. I'm telling you guys.. they're like deers in front of headlights. Instead of thinking it's smart to keep a good player for as long as you can, they should realize that it's even smarter to get rid of him at the right time and replace him while your team still has a flying confidence.

..You wait for so long to go forward, and once you do.. you wait again to take a step back.

Fenerliyim

03-21-2008, 05:39 AM

lol he keeps breaking bits and pieces of himself

Fenerliyim

03-21-2008, 05:44 AM

anyway we cant afford to buy a player for the future right now, the 6 + 2 foriegner limit does not let us do that. We cant waste a valuable foriegner spot. Y wait to get results in 3 years when u can get them now?

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 05:48 AM

anyway we cant afford to buy a player for the future right now, the 6 + 2 foriegner limit does not let us do that. We cant waste a valuable foriegner spot.

Oh, you can't waste it on a good young foreigner.. but can for players like Appiah, Edu, or Maldonado?

Okay, Maldonado is an unknown quantity.. but if it was up to me, I'd get rid of both Appiah and Edu.

Y wait to get results in 3 years when u can get them now?

I don't think now is the right time to get rid of Alex. He is doing wonders, but in 2 seasons.. sack him.

Fenerliyim

03-21-2008, 05:52 AM

Kanarya

03-21-2008, 05:53 AM

I just hope we dont sell Alex!!!!!! Numero 1 ;)

I hope Appiah pisses off asap, and I hope we make at least 6/7 euros out of him

I think we can find a replacement for Aurelio but his contract expires at the end of the season, so I wouldnt wanna lose our starting 11 man for free, so I hope he stays. (if Aurelios contract was still running, and a club offered 6+ million euros I would've let him go.)

Lugano- he gets way too many card, thats the only thing i hate about him.

Edu- please sell him!!! even release him!!! Can and Yasin are way better than him, just give them the starting 11 spot 5/6 games in a row and they'll sho themselves.

So, we can sign another 2 foreigners, if the board listens to me =P

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 05:57 AM

cmon we all know wat Appiah is capable of, he showed that off in the first year, then he got injured and our doctors misdiagnosed his injury, its our fault in reality.

Edu is world class, he plays on the Brazil NT, yea he made a few mistakes in the CL which he shouldnt have, but imo that was just a streak of bad luck. But i agree we could get a better CB.
See, that's the problem. The reality, for some people, is 'on the other side of the hill'.

I don't get you man, I mean first you say we should get rid of Alex right now than start arguing against it?

Appiah hasn't played to his capacity for almost 2 years now.

Edu just keeps throwing balls into our net, and you call him World Class.

I mean, bravo

Fener19*07bahce

03-21-2008, 06:36 AM

See, that's the problem. The reality, for some people, is 'on the other side of the hill'.

I don't get you man, I mean first you say we should get rid of Alex right now than start arguing against it?

Appiah hasn't played to his capacity for almost 2 years now.

Edu just keeps throwing balls into our net, and you call him World Class.

I mean, bravo
All the times that he scored into our net were by mistake obviously. He tries so hard and tries to stop the ball no matter what. That is a risk defenders have to take. And the last own goal against sevilla, he really didnt even touch the ball, it was Volkan's fault. I actually like him, without him our defense would have a very wide hole. Im happy he's on our team. In sevilla, it is amazing how many shots and goals Edu saved. You don't remember any of those and celebrate, but remember his own goals. Yea he made mistakes, but he definitly made up for them throughout the games.

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 07:01 AM

Nah, he's a defender, Fener (man I feel like I keep calling everybody a same name - you guys know you can pick a different name other than ones starting with Fener, right?). And he hasn't scored 1 own goal, but a whole bunch of them through-out his career at Fenerbahce. Can't you see what people are saying?

"If Edu doesn't score an own goal, you guys can win the game"

I don't care why he does it, as a defender -that's the last thing you should do.

Yeah players score own goals, but what was the last time two or more own goals were conceded in the same season of Champions League by the same player?

You'll have to look real hard into the history of the competition to find that out.

I know you guys have a deep compassion for our players, don't think that I don't. I just don't think all of our players deserve the jersey they are wearing and I want to see them even better.

The idealism of some of the individuals here, while compassionate, makes me feel as if you think our team is the best in the World. They are not.

I want our club to be in Europe year after year. I want to see them be successful. I am not saying this for any other reason than just that and when you oppose to what I'm suggesting simply because you are satisfied with where the team is at than it makes me think if we are actually on the same page.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 07:07 AM

You can't convince me that Alex is gonna get worse because I refuse to believe it, I admit. He can't get worse dammit. He keeps getting better. STOP FILLING MY HEAD WITH LIES!!! :(

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 07:24 AM

Haha, you're being ridicilous Fry. I am just talking here..

If reality bothers you, don't read what I'm saying.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 07:33 AM

I wasn't being serious. ;)

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 07:38 AM

Ha, good one. :D

Well, come on, I'm serious. People here don't usually talk about the team in general :sad:

DelijaZauvjek

03-21-2008, 08:11 AM

Kezman is better...
HAHAH J/K ;)

Ummmmmmmm I heard a rumor that Alex might be going to Barcelona....

Fry36

03-21-2008, 08:11 AM

Really? I've never noticed that. I mean, the team is made up of the players+fans+coaches+management and theyre talked about all the time.

Edit: quoting Bos.

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 11:59 AM

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 12:58 PM

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=17580

haha look at this thread that i stumbled upon, lol. Classic turkish thread.

First ask questions, then some foriegn guy insults, everybody gangs up on him, then the turks start turning on each other.

Wow, comparing that thread with the threads made recently.. you can really see how much the board has improved since we arrived. :laugh:

The fact that we 'Balkanized" the board, and gained a decent number of Turkish fans, especially so many Fenerbahce fans that we're probably the largest community in the board; can be considered as a decent award. :)

Of course I'm thankful for posters of other Countries, their opinions give life to the board.

Eh.. I'm just being thankful, I might've gone over the top. :D

Fry36

03-21-2008, 05:20 PM

As I said, the team in general. The current more general standing and shit.

People usually express themselves here when we lose a game, or win a big one. Those aren't our actual opinions about the club in general. I couldn't care less about your opinion if it's written while being pissed off of over a loss or in a euphoria after a big win. Those opinion don't really count in my book as they are hugely affected by a single event.

And you know, there's really no point in expressing yourself if everybody else feels the same way. If there is one, it's not to discuss the team, but to share joy or disappointment.

Not treating my opinion with respect, and showing this kind of snotty sarcasm does not really suit the reputation on this board that you've worked so hard for. :sad:

Err, what? If you look at my posts since I came here, you would see the thought I actually put in them. I could just be like most people and work on a 5-6 digit post count, but it seems unimportant to me. And how does a sarcastic post ruin this "reputation I worked so hard for"? I didn't know I had to keep up a stone cold attitude around here because I don't usually add 15 lol smileys to my post on the regular. And how is it that I'm working sooo hard for this reputation? I would say I have better things to do in life than creating a respectable persona on an Internet forum. I write here because I love talking about football, not because I'm worked up over what other people think about me and my posts.

I was actually taking your posts seriously, and the only part I wasn't serious about was the "stop filling my head with lies!!" part, which I thought I made clear with a :(. What part of this do you find snooty? I didn't think you would take it as me being disrespectful. Yes, I do think Alex is going to get worse later on in the years, I just don't think it's going to be before he's 34. And I don't think he's going to stay for that long anyway. I also don't think "sacking" our most valuable player after he stops playing as amazing is right. If we do that than we lose the right to be mad over players leaving our team without our request. Besides, a drop in Alex's current form can't be worse than most of our other players' forms on the regular.

I hope things written above are ideas only I hold, and I hope my opinion is of some value to you, because I'm starting to think you check long posts for "worth-Bosanac's-time" criteria. [/end harmless sarcasm]

Fenerliyim

03-21-2008, 05:26 PM

See, that's the problem. The reality, for some people, is 'on the other side of the hill'.

I don't get you man, I mean first you say we should get rid of Alex right now than start arguing against it?

Appiah hasn't played to his capacity for almost 2 years now.

Edu just keeps throwing balls into our net, and you call him World Class.

I mean, bravo

I never said we should get rid of Alex, i said we dont have a foriegner spot that we can use to develop an upcoming player and when we feel alex is done than we should get a player who can fill in his shoes right away.

Appiah was injured for 2 years man, he was amazing our first year, and then during the world cup but then he got injured and he played with pain ofcourse he could play to his full potential. But i do agree we should sell, i like maldonado better. But we should sell him only if Aurelio decides to leave.

Edu is world class, thats y teams like Villarreal are willing to pay 8 million euros for him. He plays on the Brazilian NT, i'd like to see how many other players do that. Anyway he just had a bad stroke of luck imo.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 05:31 PM

On that note, I was really hopeful about Appiah, but don't expect Aurelio-like games from him if Aurelio leaves. The guy almost died because of Fener's amateur doctors. And with all these CDMs we have now, don't be surprised if Appiah is pulled to the RM and Zico's beloved son Deivid is put in the middle of the field right behind Alex. Appiah was screaming he can't do right wing but I don't think Zico listens. Then again, we probably won't see Appiah around until next year. And I'm betting no team is going to bring in offers for a player with such an injury.

Maaaybe that'll mean we can finally sell Kemal and I'll stop having nightmares.

Bosanac

03-21-2008, 08:18 PM

Err, what? If you look at my posts since I came here, you would see the thought I actually put in them. I could just be like most people and work on a 5-6 digit post count, but it seems unimportant to me. And how does a sarcastic post ruin this "reputation I worked so hard for"? I didn't know I had to keep up a stone cold attitude around here because I don't usually add 15 lol smileys to my post on the regular. And how is it that I'm working sooo hard for this reputation? I would say I have better things to do in life than creating a respectable persona on an Internet forum. I write here because I love talking about football, not because I'm worked up over what other people think about me and my posts.

I was actually taking your posts seriously, and the only part I wasn't serious about was the "stop filling my head with lies!!" part, which I thought I made clear with a :(. What part of this do you find snooty? I didn't think you would take it as me being disrespectful. Yes, I do think Alex is going to get worse later on in the years, I just don't think it's going to be before he's 34. And I don't think he's going to stay for that long anyway. I also don't think "sacking" our most valuable player after he stops playing as amazing is right. If we do that than we lose the right to be mad over players leaving our team without our request. Besides, a drop in Alex's current form can't be worse than most of our other players' forms on the regular.

I hope things written above are ideas only I hold, and I hope my opinion is of some value to you, because I'm starting to think you check long posts for "worth-Bosanac's-time" criteria. [/end harmless sarcasm]

Well you did not have to make me go on a personal crusade to just get your opinion about Alex. :sad: But thank you, nonetheless.

I think he would be worth keeping at 34, if he was in a class of players like Roberto Carlos. He's not, you know, he's amazing in Turkey but.. on a scale set by all players in Europe from 1 to 10, he's not a 10, nor a definite 9. Maybe not even an 8. If he was, I would agree with you.

I just think we should use our position as quarter finalists of Champions League.. a little better than Galatasaray did. :sad:

As the most crucial role for any team is his position, it would be the smartest to replace him. You know.. we might go 'even further' the year after.

Fry36

03-21-2008, 10:38 PM

Well you did not have to make me go on a personal crusade to just get your opinion about Alex. :sad: But thank you, nonetheless.

I think he would be worth keeping at 34, if he was in a class of players like Roberto Carlos. He's not, you know, he's amazing in Turkey but.. on a scale set by all players in Europe from 1 to 10, he's not a 10, nor a definite 9. Maybe not even an 8. If he was, I would agree with you.

I just think we should use our position as quarter finalists of Champions League.. a little better than Galatasaray did. :sad:

As the most crucial role for any team is his position, it would be the smartest to replace him. You know.. we might go 'even further' the year after.
Well, you didn't have to go on a personal crusade, because I already said what I thought about him in the beginning. I respect your opinion, but I don't think you're right. Hagi and Alex play the same position. Hagi retired at the age of 36, pretty much the pinnacle of his football career. I can't see why you're making Alex look like a inferior player. He had a short spell in Europe with Parma mostly because of Parma's idiocy (look at them now), and Alex's work permit problems. Just because he didn't have a Roberto Carlos like European football career doesn't make him any less of a player than the current CAMs in Europe. Not to mention, he's the top assister in Europe as we speak. You might think he won't make it in one piece till he's that old, I respect that, but I just can't see why. Replacing Alex now is like replacing Hagi the year before the 2000 Uefa cup. Get a player now to save for later makes sense, but I can't see how it'd happen unless we started playing 4-3-2-1. And that's just eww.

Bosanac

03-22-2008, 01:32 AM

You can't really say that having Alex doesn't have its limitations?

We got this guy when we were practically unknown in Europe, and of course, I will concede that we got extremely lucky.

But just imagine what kind of a player we could get with the tag of Quarter Finalists of CL.. :rolleyes:

Fry36

03-22-2008, 04:36 AM

Show me one player in Europe with stats like these:

183 games, 103 assists, 90 goals.

Can you guarantee a CAM who could even come close to that? Why fix it if it ain't broken? It's not like Alex is getting worse as he's getting older. In fact he's just getting better. His first 2 seasons he was the top assister, his 3rd season he was the top scorer, now he's on his way to be the top assister in both TSL and CL. We saw too many stars come and go most of 'em didn't do half the good Tuncay or Semih did. Alex is an underrated gem and all we gotta do is enjoy watching him while we still can. Even Ronaldinho and Henry go through bad seasons.

Bosanac

03-22-2008, 04:40 AM

Wow, Fry. Can Turkish Super League be 'really' looked as a counter-part to leagues like the ones in Spain, Italy, or England?

I just don't think you're being true to yourself when you're talking here, how do you not expect me to judge that is beyond all logic.

Fry36

03-22-2008, 05:05 AM

The Turkish league isn't that bad of a league, actually. Turkish people tend to have an inferiority complex, but our league isn't as bad as people make it seem. It's just that our retarded federation feels it's a good idea to skyrocket the fees for broadcasting our highlights, so in Europe, even leagues like the Eredivisie, the Scottish league, and the Portuguese league get airtime and we don't. If you checked the tables for all the European leagues, the amount of goals per game, derbies per season, the number of teams fighting for the top spot, the spreading of the points throughout the table, and the country coefficients, you would see that we're actually not very far from leagues like the French league and whatnot. In fact, this season, our league is one of the most rigorous of all, with 4 teams fighting for the title, and the close fight to stay out of the relegation zone. We have horrible fields and less attendance per game, but the quality isn't bad at all.

In a league like Eredivisie where there are 7 goals per game, there are loads of quality players deciding to stay in teams like PSV, Ajax, and Feyenoord. It's not a very high quality league, but there are a lot of good players. In fact, some of the world stars of today have built their reputations mostly in the Eredivisie. Alex is a player who's unfortunately (or fortunately, in Fener's case) not in spotlight because there's no footage of the TSL out there, and on top of that, major channels' priorities are broadcasting the English and Italian teams' games in the CL.

One thing about the TSL is our style is mostly rough defending, as opposed to the open style of play in, say, La Liga, or the Brazilian league. That's why it's a lot harder for skilled players like Alex to show their potential here (see Lincoln, Ricardinho, Delgado, plus many ex-TSL stars). If Ronaldinho was to come here, he would be less effective because of the huge risk of having Ismail Gulduren breaking both his legs and arms. I'm pretty sure if Alex can do such wonders in the CL, a league like La Liga or Bundesliga won't be that tough on him. Especially after playing in the horrible Turkish fields against butcher like defenders.

Bosanac

03-23-2008, 09:30 AM

My point is not that it's a bad league, but that realistically speaking can't be compared to the leagues like La Liga, EPL, Seria A, or even Bundesliga.

Therefore, your stats of Alex can't be compared to those of players from those leagues as there is 'vast' difference in quality.

Have you ever watched a game from those leagues? Honestly, TSL can't compare. It's on a different, lower level. :sad:

Also, to respond to you where you said Alex can't be as good as he is because league is mostly oriented in defending, especially against Fener - which is true. And since you're comparing Alex and TSL with the best, than what about Kaka in Seria A? :suspiciou

Best playmaker of the World comes from a tougher and a lot more defensive oriented league. :sad:

Instead of agreeing with me from the beginning, you're making me 'put Fenerbahce down' which is not something that I like doing. It will as well invite other people (I mean All Fenerbahce Fans!) to start arguing against me, never imagined that you can't say one single negative thing about Fenerbahce without going on a self-sacrificing crusade which.. is also going to get a lot of people here to hate me.

Can't we, Fenerbahce fans, be real for once.. Damn.

:tsk:

Yeah we got to quarter finals of Champions League, but don't think that it is not a huge surprise.

I know Turkish people, Fry. I know how you guys can get. I lived in Turkey, what you're doing is not really 'cool'. :sad:

I mean, taking all Fenerbahce fans on your side by making me insult Fenerbahce.. is not something I want to do. Don't make me do it!

I am just trying to make a point, why do you drag it on for so long before we can come to an agreement?

Do you even know what point I've made??! :stop:

Fry36

03-23-2008, 05:50 PM

I wasn't saying Alex is the best playmaker out there, but he's the one who did/will do the most for Fenerbahce. He's had such great seasons here that it looks like there's no way any other player could give the same to Fener. I'm not taking all Fener fans on my side, I'm saying our league isn't that bad, and luck? Fener's had almost no luck in the CL this year. Weird red cards, injuries, own goals, penalties, stupid goalie mistakes, should I go on? Fener played "quarter final" football from the start of this seasons CL run.

As for TSL, it's not the best league, not even 2nd or 3rd, but it's a good enough league to have it's own good players and own hardness. Example: a scoring machine Kezman having the drought of his career. Bundesliga player of the year Lincoln not even playing 3 consecutive games. Many more "Alex killers" not giving 1/8 of what Alex gave to Fener. These aren't all coincidences. It's more than just talent. If you look at Alex's career, he's given the most to his previous clubs out of many playmakers. He adapts well and once he does he's unstoppable. And a player like that deserves more respect.

And if you've been following me, you know when the time comes, I can put Fener in the shitter, and when the time comes I'll put it above life. Us Fener fans are so used to being sub par and below average, we don't know how to take success when it comes.

Fenerliyim

03-23-2008, 05:57 PM

I wouldnt say the Bundesliga is a much better league than ours. And the TSL is one of the most defensive leagues imo. Not easy to score in the TSL, defenders are really physical.

Mavi

03-23-2008, 07:07 PM

^ i wish this league wasnt so defensive

Fenerliyim

09-22-2008, 05:18 PM

heres an interview alex gave with fifa,

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=886954.html

i especially like this part:

You come from a country that loves football. All the same, the passion of the Turkish fans must have taken you by surprise a little?
A lot. It exceeded all my expectations. Brazilian people really like their football, but for the Turks it's something that's more important than anything else and a lot more important than in Brazil or anywhere else I've played. You just can't describe the way Turkish people feel about the game. You have to be Turkish to understand it.

lol so true