Week 3: Fenerbahce - Sivasspor 1-0

[cengo]

I think the biggest question for this game is whether Zico will go back to his original line up or if he will use some of the players in the Gaziantep game. Im sure he will do what's best for the team.

But i would like to see how Semih would work as targetplayer with players like alex, tümer, deivid, aurelio and carlos behind him.

It's obvious that Semih has better ball skills and a much much player in the air. But Kezma is still Kezman and he can score the most amazing goals.

But as i said it would have been interesting to see Semih in that position instead of kezman for one game or so.

Dont know if aurelio will play because of his injury which means that selcuk will play in his position together with Deniz.


My line up:


--------------------Serdar-------------------

Önder---------Edu-----------Lugano-----Carlos

---------------Deniz--------Selcuk------------

Deivid---------------Alex------------------Ugur

---------------------Semih---------------------

[Fener19*07bahce]

^ I really really like that lineup. I really feel like Zico should be experimenting with Colin Kazim at the mid, since appiah is out.

[cengo]

Yeah, maybe instead of Deivid...

But i also noticed that Kazim is kind a slow in his moves so i wouldnt use him in a central role in the mid.

[gamze]

in my opinion instead of deivid, kazım in play

[Fenerliyim]

i doubt Zico would take another chance like that. I like ur line up but definetly Kazim in place of dievid.

And if the F.Tekke transfer turns out true than our foward lineup is gonna be great. I would do a Tekke-Kezman partnership

[cengo]

But to make a Kezman-Tekke partnership we need to take someone out. And if that player is a midfielder we are screwed.

What i dont understand is that when we started the season last year we were playing with two forwards. Kezman and Semih....but everyone kept saying we shouldnt play with two players upfront.

Zico changed that in the Newcastle game...playing only Kezman upfront and everyone praised our football although we lost.

Ever since then we have played mainly with one striker. This season everyone keeps saying that we have to play with two strikers.

Will we ever be satisfied?

When Zico plays one player upfront we want two players...when he plays two players upfront we want one player.:D

[Fenerliyim]

well then we need a player who can play by himself. Kezman and Dievid imo always need a partner, they cant do it by themselves. more than likely if we take someone out it will be deniz cause hes the only one that can be spared. Its either aurelio or deniz, and i believe Aurelio is better.

[cengo]

But Deivid isnt supposed to play as striker. We have seen that he is more useful when he plays in the midfield.

But it's not about choosing what player to take out if Tekke comes. We cant win games with only Aurelio in the middle...i hope you realize that Ömer.

You would have a team like this:


------------------Serdar----------------------

Önder---------Edu--------Lugano--------Carlos

--------------------Aurelio---------------------

Deivid---------------Alex-----------------Ugur

---------------Tekke----------Kezman---------

You have 5 players up front who doesnt work back as well as a normal midfielder....how are we suppose to defend ömer.

Its better to have a strong midfield with one player upfront than two players upfront with a weak midfield.

The kezman-tekke partnership would have worked if we had dfensively stronger wings and if alex defended a little more.

Otherwise it will be a suicide to play with only aurelio in the midfield.

[el Turco]

But to make a Kezman-Tekke partnership we need to take someone out. And if that player is a midfielder we are screwed.

What i dont understand is that when we started the season last year we were playing with two forwards. Kezman and Semih....but everyone kept saying we shouldnt play with two players upfront.

Zico changed that in the Newcastle game...playing only Kezman upfront and everyone praised our football although we lost.

Ever since then we have played mainly with one striker. This season everyone keeps saying that we have to play with two strikers.

Will we ever be satisfied?

When Zico plays one player upfront we want two players...when he plays two players upfront we want one player.:D


Imo, You need different tactics for different games. If you play against Newcastle away, or even GS or BJK, you can go with one striker up front.

But if you play against teams like IBB, or Gaziantepspor, then you need two strikers. :)

[cengo]

With this i totally agree...

[Fenerliyim]

dievid was bought as a foward though not a midfielder. a 5 million dollar bust. Hopefully tekke can play by himself up there.

[cengo]

Ümit Özat came to us as a centerback.

Serkan Balci came to us as a defensive midfielder.

Tuncay came to us as a right winger.

Aurelio came to us as a right winger.

[Fenerliyim]

serkan balci played horrible as an rb imo

[cengo]

Is that all you can come up with...:D

How about Aurelio and Ümit Özat...how did they turn out to be on their new positions?

[Fenerliyim]

Serdar, Önder, Edu, Lugano, Carlos, Deivid, Selçuk, Deniz, Tümer, Alex ve Kezman

is our expected lineup since Aurelio is injured

[Fenerliyim]

ok here is an update: Lugano and Edu both have yellows.

Deivid scored but was considered offside that 5 minutes later Kezman's cross turned into a carlos diving header goal.

yeaaaaaaaa

[Bosanac]

Roberto Carlos scores a header! 1-0


I never saw him score a header before, amazing :)

[Fenerliyim]

kezman is killing our offense

[Fenerliyim]

here is the goal

http://www.zshare.net/download/33106329bed8d4/

[el Turco]

Kezman was awful. Semih could have done ten times better than him.

Every game, we slow down dramatically in the second half. I wonder if they ever do conditioning.

[Fenerliyim]

we have like no wing play, our sides suck, Tumer plays left wing but he is all around the field so we barely ever came from the left wing. and well dievid is horrible in the right wing.

And Kezman is just horrible, how can u not make at least one of those chances.

Hope serdar isnt too injured, volkan still makes a lot of mistakes, almost let balilis goal in.

O and carlos is the man, he runs up and down, doing his job in defense and contributing to offense.

[cengo]

Good first half...poor second half.

But the three points is ours.

Although Deniz was the man of the match i dont see anyone saying a good thing about him. Only when he plays bad...;)

[Fenerliyim]

i dno i'd say carlos was the MOM.

See deniz does the small but important stuff and its hard to notice his effect on the game till hes taken out, and then u see how useful he is.

[cengo]

Anyways i would never expect anyone to vote Deniz for the man of the match...it's wishing for the impossible. :)

I was reading the readers views on hürriyet and Fenerbahce fan was upset why Deniz wasnt subbed out in the game....he thought Deniz played awful.

this only shows how biased people are against him....they dont want him to succeed. They want him to fail so they dont get embarrassed for not supporting him.

But i agree Carlos was awesome as well....but we expect that from him.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Good first half...poor second half.

But the three points is ours.

Although Deniz was the man of the match i dont see anyone saying a good thing about him. Only when he plays bad...;)
But cmon, when Deniz plays bad..imean, he plays BAD. It is like the other team has 12 people and we have 10. It doesnt happen too often, but when it does, Imean, its a struggle.

[cengo]

Its scary how biased you are....you really want him to fail dont you.

When was the last time Deniz had a really bad game. It's obvious you do not want to see him play well. Anyways im just happy that Deniz keeps embarrassing fns like you....even without any support at all froom our fans.

[cengo]

I have read a couple of ous sportswriters articles today and it prooves how much they suck.

One write says that Deivid played and fought well.

Next writer says that Deivid was awful...

Next writer says Deniz was one of the few good

And again another writer says he sucks.


This is the proof how some writers denies to see when some players actually play well. They have critisized Deivid so much before that even when he plays well they feel forced to write that he sucked.

I think deivid played well yesterday night.

Players who didnt play well were alex, tümer, kezman....but you never hear alex getting booed or anything. Tümer was truely awful and he wasnt booed either...but the minute deivid or deniz makes one bad pass you hear the booing immediately.

It's a shame...

Kezman was booed but then he received a lot of support from other fans...which made me proud.

But deniz and deivid has never seen this kind of support after they have been booed...which makes their effort on the pitch more honourable.

[Bina]

I have no idea where this averseness to Deniz comes from, not from this game and also not generally. He might have bad days, but his critics may name me one player who hasn't? Yesterday by all means he surely did a solid job. And Deivid: like i said before, even if he scored 10 times with arms tied at his back, the unconvincibles would still find faults to Deivid. Those "fans" who keep booing at playe, once they have it in for one player they have chosen to be their scapegoat, they'll never stop. It's an attitude towards the Club and the players i will never understand, it's a shame and does not mirror the true spirit of genuine Fenerbahçe fans.

By the way: what's the fuzz about anyway?? We won, we got 3 points. Bingo!

[Cihangir]

Well Deniz is a type of guy/player the critics can blame over and over with joy. Unlucky to him but it will, most likely, continue to be like that.
Even Servet gets away after one of his classic, horrible mistakes or bad days.
I started to think if it's about the looks. The media might not like the hair of Deniz. LOL Or is it his German-Turk accent.. :lol:

[cengo]

I mean look at Alex's and Tümer's performances last night...it left a lot to be desired. But i didnt see any writer dismiss their performances...they are so hooked on Deniz and Deivid because they are easy targets.

Noone wants to read about their stars undperperorming such as alex, tümer and carlos. Because these players have the capacity to win games on their own and noone wants to take the risk of bashing them.

But they know that deniz most likely will never win a game by himself and because of that there is no risk in bashing him game after game,

Unfortunately the majority of turkish fans knows very little about football that they actually believe everything a sportswriter writes even if the sportswriter has never played football in his life. Turkish fans are so called "scoretable" fans. If you score a goal...you are a hero even if you have sucked the entire game. Tuncay was a perfect example of this...alex at times too.

I see this too often in antu and also in here.

If deniz plays an average game...nor good or bad. His performance immediately becomes awful. If he plays a very good game people say...well it's not enough for european games. Basically it doesnt matter what he does because most people wants him to fail...the same goes for Deivid.

Like Cihangir said....if he singehandedly won a game some people would still bash him for his hair or the way he runs.


Look at people like Hincal Uluc, Atilla Gökce, Osman Tanburaci, Kemal belgin and many more....these people has never even been on a footbal picth but they have declared themselves football professors.

[Bina]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Deniz' hair... i read far too many posts of those ignorants who cared more about hairstyles of Volkan, Alex and now Ali Bilgin instead of the players' abilities on the pitch.

And Cenk, regarding Alex... wasn't it last season when those "fans" even booed at him? But of course, such an idol of the public regains sympathy much faster. Once again this probably shows how many fans seem to support single players or the football team and not the "Fenerbahçe SK" in narrower sense.

[cengo]

Yes they booed last season....but they waited over 2.5 years before they had the gutts to boo him.

If they had used the same criterias for booing Deniz and Deivid on Alex, he would have been booed in his first season.

We have seen too many games when alex is absolutely doing nothing...not even helping out the team when the team is struggling.

It happened last night as well...deniz and selcuk were working thei asses off to hold back their attacks whereas alex was walking nearby not the slightest interested in helping them out.

Ok...we are used to not see alex working hard....but when he isnt even effective i our offense...why do we need him on the pitch?

What im trying to say is that....if the fans used the same criterias for booing players, on players such as alex, tümer, kezman they would be the ones getting the most booing. But since the media has decided who we should boo and not we keep booing players such as deivid and deniz for the slightest mistake. The irritation of not seeing alex run or kezman not being able to score is transferred over to Deniz and deivid who receives rediculously amounts of curses for the slightest mistake.

Thats why im standing by my point about turkish people not having their own opinion when it comes to football. To compensate this they use the exact same words i read in our so called footballexperts articles.

I mean i have actually seen several fans who has copied and pasted paragraphs from articles and making it their own opinion...im not lying. :D

[cengo]

What is Zico most critisized for in the media?

1. He is unactive during the games
2. He doesnt show emotions
3. He just stands there with his arms crossed
4. He doesnt have a gamestrategy

Deniz

1. He doesnt know football
2. He shouldnt be playing for Fenerbahce
3. He should play in the 2nd division

This is the exact same things you later on read in antu or in here.

Since when did showing emotions as a coach by the bench having anything to do with football...or having your arms crossed. :D

Look at the P.L...the coaches mostly sit on their benches. What kind of coach is that....Wenger, Mourinho and Ferguson doesnt know a thing about football! :D

[cengo]

When we played schalke in the c.l. our media called schalke a "köy takimi"...a village team.

A village team with a 60,000 capacity stadium and with several NT players and a squad worth more than the biggest Turkish team.

When we lost against them...fans in antu were furious about losing to a village team. :D

[Fenerliyim]

Man i hope Serdar makes it to the Anderlecht game cause i still have 0 trust in Volkan. They announced Serdar's injury but didnt say how long he would be injured. Does anyone know how bad Serdar's injury is?

[cengo]

Not yet...but i doubt that he will play on wednesday.

[Fenerliyim]

well then we are screwed if we dont outscore anderlecht and with kezman that looks unlikely