adriano

[RONALD09]

are we getting adriano? isnt he a striker? we dont need any more strikers. i heard we will be doing a deal that will see vampeta go to flamengo or something and we get adriano, can someone tell me if this is true? and how good is adriano?

[ayt]

its a complicated but not done deal yet
Vampeta is co property of Inter and PSG
inter has to give someone to psg i forgot who
psg gives their half of vampeta to inter
inter gives vampeta to flamengo
flamengo gives inter adriano

i don't see we have anything to lose from this.
We don't need vampeta, so why not just trade him for an up and coming (supposedly) superstar.
We have nothing to lose in this deal IMO.

But I've never seen adriano play, just know theres big wraps on the kid.

[Ajax]

PSG get Reinaldo. Not that I know who that is...
But Adriano is supposed to be the next great Brazilian stirker, and even though he has been dubbed the next Ronaldo, I have received word that he is more like Vieri.
The deal works for PSG too, as Vampeta doesn't want to play for them. Only Flamengo needs to agree now.
- Ajax

[Sebastian]

ADRIANO is freakin great guys!!!i trully hope that CUPER will not give him on loan to some of the small boys!!!he and SAVIOLA are the most talented footbalers in the PLANET!!!

[Garrincha]

Well, I just saw this thread, and this trade is the talk of town this week. Flamengo is getting Vampeta plus $5 millions for Reinaldo and Adriano, two young strikers.

Adriano is more like Vieri, and he's considered very promising, but at age 19, you might say he's a bit green. How green? He's on Flamengo's bench. The starters are Edilson, who's a Brazilian national player (he was called up for the qualifiers match against Paraguay), and Reinaldo.

Reinaldo is 21, and very talented too, but with a different style: He's better on the ground, has good vision of the game and often goes back to midfield, helping in defense and as playmaker. Not necessarily better than Adriano - just two years more experienced and with a different approach to the game. Adriano has a long history in Brazilian youth squads, having played alongside PSG's Ronaldinho for ages in U-15, U-17 and U-21.

Who's getting the best deal? On short term, Flamengo, who's keeping Reinaldo for one more season (they're playing next year's Libertadores, which is why they wanted Vampeta), getting good money and a national team player.

On long term, Flamengo is getting a 27-year-old defensive mid in exchange for two young strikers. A lot of people are unhappy around here (not me, they're a rival club, I find it very funny:D ).

PS: And Elcino, you must be out of your mind if you really think Adriano is... well, what you said. He is NOT a "fantasista". Maybe he, ONE DAY, will become a great striker. I've seen him play, and the best Inter can hope for is that he develops into the next Zamorano - which is, of course, a great promise.
But at the moment? From what I've read in here, Inter are going to loan him to Venezia to show him the ropes. Good idea, IMHO. :rolling:

Whew! Was that long-winded or not? Hope to have cleared up the confusion.:thumbsup:

[ayt]

don't worri about elcino.
he just likes inter a lot a lot and a lot

so no matter who plays for inter they are the greatest.

[Garrincha]

Oh, and I neglected to mention in the long-winded rant above - Reinaldo's going to PSG. This is because Vampeta is half property of Inter, half PSG. So Adriano goes to Italy this year, and Reianldo goes to France next season. :)
And Flamengo goes bankrupt, hopefully. :D

[ilfenomeno14]

wait guys... i dont get it... Is adriano good, will he be first XI in Inter or be loaned out to get some experience??? I really hope so.

We have six stikers, forward, what ever you liek to call'em. Ronaldo, Vieri, Sukur, Pacheco, Ventola, Kallon. Of this, Ronnie has done the most in the amount of time he played. Then there is Kallon, a goal scoring machine so far, but i didnt see his goal against watford. Pacheco came to Bormio, scored three goals out of four in training, then the next day, came in as a sub when there was some time left, and scored two goals. Im really impressed with Pacheco, and i will see PAcheco and Kallon shearing Ronnies place the first 3-4 matches.

Anyway, this is how it looks now.

We got Three strikers, and three target players(big strikers)

Three stirker are:
Ronaldo
Kallon
Pacheco

Three Target:
Vieri
Ventola
Sukur

Anyway, where the hell is Adriano gonna fit!

[Elvis Pressley]

do you really think Ventola is a target man ?????

I mean tha guy falls over if a wasp flies within two feet of him

just my opinion

peace

[ilfenomeno14]

hes quite big and strong... so i class him as a target... altogh he has very good tchnique and pace... qualities that Vieri has little of and Sukur none of!

[Ajax]

We also have Recoba at forward. So that makes four at each.
Pacheco, Ventola, and Kallon are 'projects', but I think Ventola and Kallon will see some playing time.
Adriano will be loaned out, I think, except the info said that Inter was getting him on loan. Hm....
Any way, that leaves Sukur, and uh, Sukur. I don't know what him and Okan are doing at Inter. I hope they prove me wrong, though. If we want to keep Emre, then they should stay for this year, but...
I think Adriano is supposed to be Vieri's replacement in like 3-4 years, but I don't know.
- Ajax

[ilfenomeno14]

Well, congrats to all us Inter fans. Adriano put pen to paper, and will be presented on Saturday. I think he, Pacheco should be loaned out.

[FANTA]

... and it looks like he's going to be loaned out to venezia for the year.

smart move. they should consider doing the same with pacheco as well.

[Ajax]

I thought Adriano is coming to Inter on loan?
Have we bought him (in entirety?)?
I think Adriano should stay, Pacheco and Sukur can be loaned out.
I don't mind if Pacheco stays, but he should get some playing time. Sukur, on the other hand, is jsut Emre's babysitter.
- Ajax

[lilphenom]

well imo this may work out in the long term. Adriano is a very promising striker with lots of potential the key word is potential. at 19 in my opinion that is too young for anyone to be playing in italy , but it is also the best league to learn . i think a year being loaned out is the best answer but the problem is we have so many damn young fowards loaned out already what are we going to do when there loans are up we will have like 10 fowards i say we need to get rid of sukur for sure i cant stand him and despise of him if inter are to buy more fowards they need to let the player now that theywill probally not be getting alot of playing time. there is maybe one other player on the planet that could compete for a starting spot in the Inter starting 2 fowards and that is Sheva other then that i dont see anyone being able to so i think that going out and getting young strikers is the right thing we have mutu out on loan adriano soon and if i am not mistaken keane is on loan and leeeds i am not sure about that but i believe he is . i would rather have a bunch of young guys learning and playing then having a bunch of oldre men complaining about not getting any time . young players want to learn and well how many young players would comlain from getting to learn the game from Ronaldo and Vieri ??? if there is such a person they deserve to be shot

[Elvis Pressley]

Robbie Keane was only on loan at Leeds Utd for the remainder of last season, however, Leeds signed him from Inter just before the end of the season, for around £11, or £12.

he is now no longer on loan to Leeds, he is now a total Leeds player, and has no connection to Inter except memories

This is fact.

hope it clears it up.

peace fellow soccer fans

[Elvis Pressley]

^^^^^^^^^

£11 million or £12 million, not 12 bucks lmao

oops, sorry

peace

[Ajax]

Give youth a chance!
- Ajax

[Sebastian]

when i saw the news ADRIANO i've jumped out of joy!!!he's so talented,INTER has done a grat TRANSFER!!!i think we should keep from the youngsters KALON and ADRIANO afcorse:D KEANE isnt ours enymore,VENTOLA is way bihind these two that i've mentioned above MUTU is pretty good but not as good as this guys and i'd like to hear who is that striker that can replace RECOBA???we have a lot of youngsters in our forward but we know that we own the best three RONNIE,BOBO and EL CHINO!!!!i've read that CHIESA will join us pretty soon which feels damn gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!!!so that leaves the fact that KALON,VENTOLA and MUTU are nothing but a "BAIT"for the others teams!!!FIORENTINA has allready eaten the bait with VENTOLA on it!!!!!!!:silly:

[Ajax]

Sure, we can use Mutu and Ventola for bait, but I want to wait and see about Kallon. I think he is pretty good, and he could prove to be useful, if not this season, then in the future!
I would also like to see Chiesa come to Inter, he would be a good short term solution, IMO.
- Ajax

[Sebastian]

FIORENTINA is in big trouble man!!!CHIESA issue???consider it done!!!we just cant expect VENTOLA to play a deadly HITMAN!!!and i cant express my joy and happines bout CHIESA TRANSFER!!!it's really the best transfer in seria A this summer(with RUI COSTA afcorse)yeah man KALLON is trully AMAZING!!!at first a thought that he's just REGINA boy :D and that he'll be lost somewhere in time(SAN SIRO)but he proved that i vas dead wrong :ronaldo:and one more thing for the sceptics around here!!
INTER is 2,565 LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM THE OTHERS IN seria A!!!!:evil:

[Slavenik]

But did we allready sighnd with Chiesa??

And we bought Adriano.....

[Ajax]

Chiesa's deal is not final until after the Italian Supercup. That is probably when they will announce about Recoba, so Cuper and Moratti want to see what happens there before going the last inch.

Chiesa would be definite starter for every team in Serie A, except maybe Roma, and we will have him as a 3rd choice this year, and probably 4th choice next year!

Thats a good strike force. But it would be even better if he could play on the left wing, and play really well to boot. Chiesa is a good addition, because we aren't 'giving him a chance', and he won't be good 'in a couple seasons'. He is the real deal, and he is it, NOW! Plus, his age is a good thing, because his experience will rub off on the younger strikers, and he will make way for them probably in a year or two.
- Ajax

[Sebastian]

well yeah he's only for one use,but what happens if RECOBAS ban get's history and he's ready to kick ass???then will have a big problem!!!but on the other hand he could be placed somewhere in the MID as a left wing that would be PERFECT cos our left wing is not that good!!!i cant hurdlly wait for that FIFA anounsment for RECOBA'S unbann,i trully hope that FIFA will let ALVARO to play in the seriaA!!!

[Sebastian]

now Ajax man we really have something in common!!i say this cos i didnt saw you're last post my internet was screwed and it didnt opened all the posts!!!as you can see i was replying to you're post bout CHIESA but i didnt saw you're last post!!!and im really happy that you share my opinion,cos i was explaining that to my friends just couple of minutes before i wrote that for RECOBA the best option is the LEFT wing!!!but unfortunatelly they didnt agreed with me,they said that it'll be too ofensive for a CALCIO team!!!what's there ofansive???hehe i,ve repeated to them a bilion times"guys i've recomended RECOBA as a left winger not as a left striker damn it"!if FIFA decides to release him from all charges than i hope that CUPER will grant our wish!!!:)

[Slavenik]

Well Elchino, we cant expect FIFA to release charges, he had a fake passport, but we can expect for smaller ban because he wasnt directly messed in that.

[Ajax]

I think that a full release from his ban is still possible, mainly because if he were to do the same thing with the rules in place now, there would be no penalty.
I think FIFA will look at that, and that Recoba had nothing to do with it, and hopefully reduce his sentence (drastically).
- Ajax

[lilphenom]

well the things that bothers me is how did veron get off scotch free ??? i mean i dont know the exact details to both cases but if that was not an argentine or some one from a " respected football nation " he would have recieved a ban as well anyone know the exact details or have an opinion

[Sebastian]

thats a very big ENYGMA man!!!the same question bothers me a long,long time(cos it happens RECOBA to be my favorite player)and to make the IRONY even bigger it was allmost sertain that VERON will join M.UNITED!!!!

[ayt]

ami missing something here?


originally posted by elcinothats a very big ENYGMA man!!!the same question bothers me a long,long time(cos it happens RECOBA to be my favorite player)and to make the IRONY even bigger it was allmost sertain that VERON will join M.UNITED!!!!

firstly: i thought veron joined man u already.
secondly: why is it ironic that veron joined mancester united? Like if veron joined a club which also had passport troubles, then that would be ironic. But why is joining man u ironic?

just a bit confused.

ALSO... veron got off scotch free because it was proven he really did have ancestors (italian descent i think). Recboa's is fake. All you people who says recoba shouldn't be punished because the law in italy has now changed regarding foreign players is STUPID. Recoba broke the law when it was in place. It does not matter the law has been changed since then, bad luck. The fact of the matter is: HE BROKED THE LAW WHILE IT WAS IN PLACE. If recoba was let off, what is the point of having a law in the first place. All offenders can argue, "they'll probably change this law in the future so i should be free."

I don't want him suspended either ok?? But if you do something wrong you should be punished. As simple as that!

[Sebastian]

do you really believe in that crap that VERON really has italian acestors?????????it's probably another of those cragnoti's nasty stuff!!!and it's not ALVARO'S fault it's ORIALI who deserve the sentanse,but not RECOBA!!!you can look on that from another point of wiew!!!if you're a soccer player and you're real good and if a respectfull menadger offer you to play in team such as INTER with small risks envolved with you're passport would you say no??????how in the hell could CINO known that he would end up like this!!!HE know's a shit bout the damn law!!!it's the menadger's fault!!it desnt matter if the rule doesnt egsists eny more if you did broke that rule you should be punished i know that,but CINO didnt broke it ORIALI did!!!so RECOBA'S bann doesant make eny sense,cos im sure that he wouldn do this crap by him self no way!!!

[Ajax]

I really do hope Recoba comes. I am pretty sure the Chiesa transfer is hinged on this fact, whether Recoba gets the full sentence, or if it is reduced.
I like my man Chiesa, but if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
- Ajax

[Severus]

no you don't make any sense !!! what do you think, everyone in this world is naive and ignorant like yourself ??? recoba knew full well that he was going to italy on a bogus passport and only you and the bricks on my house wouldn't have had the ability to put 1 & 1 together.

however, the person who should be punished above every party involved is moratti. nevermind orialli ya dumb piece of excrement, he was just following orders. such a risky decision to cheat can only come from the big man in charge therefore he should be punished by having his team relegated to serie b. but no according to interiste - they never cheat.

[Ajax]

Thats wrong. Recoba came to Italy with a Uruguay passport. He played, what, one season as a foreigner, and then on loan with another team, still as a foreigner, then he came back to Inter, suddenly with dual nationality.
I don't think Recoba had ANYTHING to do with it, and if he did, are you saying that Veron did not?
Recoba probably agreed to it, thats all.
And its a bunk law any way, I've said it before. If he had a Samoan passport this season, no one would give a damn, so why should he be punished for it?? The law is obsolete, so why is the punishment still here?
- Ajax

[Severus]

because they broke the law when it existed so they should be punished. and i'm not saying veron's innocent either ! they're all guilty - recoba, veron, cafu, aldair, assuncao zago etc etc. however some got away with it and some didn't. oh he just so happened to be interista ... cry me a river !

you said and i quote "Recoba probably agreed to it, thats all". now shouldn't he be punished as well for obliging to break the rule ? i mean, if an illegal alien comes here to canada and immigrations canada discovers that he's obtained a bogus passport with the assitance of an accomplice - won't he be deported back to his country of origin with a nice stern punishment for the accomplice who aided him ? i don't see why the same shouldn't apply to futbol.

[Sebastian]

severus,severus.......ccccc........you poor litlle creature!!!you hate INTER to that point that you dont even know what are you shitting about!!!i mean,you're opsessed with it and im really sick of you're bullshit but you can bullshitting as long as you want i dont mind,cos i really cant take you're crap for serious!!!

[Garrincha]

It's not often that I agree with Severus, but this time I agree with him 100%. These players have forged documents in order to have professional opportunities. It's often mentioned, when an European team wants to hire a Brazilian or Argentinian (just as example), that the deal will only go through if the player has an European passport. Savio only went to Real after he got a french passport (nobody knows how he came up with that one, as his last name is Bortolini). Vampeta recently said that he was offered a portuguese passport, as a way to stay in Europe: he wasn't interested, and was put up for transfer.

We must be realistic about this, guys. This IS illegal, and a lot of the players are going for it because they think the risk is worth it; the contracts involve higher values when the player has an Euro passport, so they all want one. Recoba, Veron, Fabio Junior, they ALL went for the forgery because they felt this would benefit them.

I've seen Fabio Junior (the striker who played fro Roma) try to explain the passport mess he got involved into, and it's pathethic: the guy got embarassed, then pretended to be outraged, then tried to change the subject. Because the truth is, he BROKE THE LAW. Do you realize forging passports is a serious crime, and that were they not footballers, they would all be in JAIL?

It's important that a fan doesn't mix up his club's players with the club itself. If you love Inter, don't feel obligated to defend Recoba, because Recoba is probably wrong, and the club is way bigger than the Ururguayan's legal troubles. If the club's president or manager is involved, keep in mind that the club existed BEFORE these gentlemen, and will continue after they are dead or in jail. Why defend these people? Stick to your team, but don't confuse the club with its employees.

[Sebastian]

well everybody has the right to give his own oppinion on this subject,but above all neither of us knows what the hell is going on bout this passport scandal becouse no one of us (INCLUDING YOU SEVERUS)is directly INVOLVED!!!

[Sebastian]

so that's why you the INTER-HATTERS should chill out!!!

[Ajax]

Ayt, you don't make sense.
If a 'criminal' commits a crime, and is being punished for it, when the law that he broke is overturned, then why should he continue to be punished?
I'm telling you, the same thing happened to one of my uncles. He broke an obscure law, his trial caused a lot of publicity, and review of the law was undertaken, at which point the law was overturned. But my Uncle still sat out his sentence in jail, and to this day cannot get a job that he is way overqualified for.
Its fcuked up. I don't feel I can explain it further. Recoba did not issue himself a false passport, nor did he choose to use one.
It was not shown that Veron had Italian ancestors, either. So there goes that.
- Ajax

[Severus]

Originally posted by Ajax
I don't feel I can explain it further. Recoba did not issue himself a false passport, nor did he choose to use one.
It was not shown that Veron had Italian ancestors, either. So there goes that.
- Ajax

i think yer grasping for straws on this issue here. what does veron's alleged ancestors have anything to do with recoba choosing to obtain a fake passport ?

[Garrincha]

Of course Recoba had knowledge of the fake passport, and of course he chose to use it. These players aren't morons. They know perfectly well wether their passports are European or not, because it's something that directly affects their professional opportunities. It's a known fact that players with Euro passports are MORE VALUABLE, comparatively, than an equal player with foreign status. We know that: when our teams are hiring, that's always an issue: "Does this new defender have an EU passport? We already got three great non-EU players, he won't get used, he'll just take up squad space..."

I mean, face it, these guys knew what they were doing, and knew it was illegal. What's the problem? If the rules don't apply, you're benefitting those who broke them. Some teams had an illicit advantage by fielding more non-EU players than the others, through forged documents. Is that fair?

[ayt]

sorri
let me clarify my point again Ajax.
What i meant to say is... if you commited a crime and was sentenced GUILTY. then however, the law you broke changed and if you were sentenced now for it you definetaly would not be found guilty, that means jack shit. You broke the law, as in recoba's case while the law was in place. It does not matter that the foreigners rule is changed now in serie a. Fact of the matter is he broke it while it was in place and thats official.

And all you people saying recoba did not know he was offered a fake passport. Get out of your dream. You think Inter can just say he has italian passport. There must had been some documentations in which recoba sign to certify he was playing in one of teh EU spots... not a NON-EU spot. And don't try to bullshit me that recoba didn't know he had or had not italian ancestors. That is a lot of bullcrap.

And for veron, it was proven he had italian ancestors. I don't see what you people are crying over.