11.07.2007 - 12th Anniversary of Srebrenica Genocide in Bosnia

[Sarajbahçe]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x105/newsbosnia/srebrenica_genocide_victims.jpgSREBRENICA,Bosnia - The 12th anniversary of the genocide in Srebrenica will be commemorated today.The remains of 465 Bosnians murdered by the genocidal Serbian aggressor in the eastern Bosnian town of Srebrenica will be buried.

Up to 30,000 relatives of the Srebrenica victims are expected to attend a religious ceremony and funeral at the memorial cemetery in Potocari.

The Bosnians from Srebrenica are still being found in mass graves around the country, and the Serbian war criminals responsible for the genocide in Bosnia are still on the run. Of the estimated 10,000 Bosnian men and boys mass murdered on the orders of former leaders of the Serbians living in Bosnia Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic, only 2,500 are in a proper grave in the Genocide Memorial Centre in Potocari, and 1,000 are waiting for DNA identification.

The Srebrenica massacre is the only episode of the 1992-1995 Serbian aggression against Bosnia that has been ruled a genocide by the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague,so far.

For the families of the 10,000 Bosnians murdered by the genocidal Serbian aggressor in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, the annual commemoration is a chance finally to bury long-lost dead or visit the graves.

But in this year's ceremony on July 11, there will be as much politics as prayer.Srebrenica's genocide survivors are caught up in a bitter row over their request for Srebrenica to get a special administrative status within Bosnia.

They are seeking "special status" for Srebrenica, away from the authority of the Serbians living in Bosnia, who committed the genocide in Srebrenica.

"Maybe the time framework for our demand was too ambitious, but I hope it will be fulfilled some day.Otherwise, it means there's no international law nor justice "said Sadik Ahmetovic, one of the Bosnian parliamentarians backing the call for special administrative status for Srebrenica.

The Srebrenica Genocide Memorial, a massive cemetery with 3,000 graves and room for as many gained recently a special status under the authority of the Bosnian central government.

[Sarajbahçe]

may all the innocent victims rest in peace and will never be forgotten
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[el Turco]

may all the innocent victims rest in peace and will never be forgotten
:rip:

Insallah....



This is the real genocide. In 20th century, in the middle of the Europe, they let this happen. NATO "failed" to defend all those victims. Words are not enough to talk about this.

[el Turco]

NO COMMENT!!!!!!!!!

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(I will delete the pictures, if any of the Bosnian friends here want me to do so)

[Centarfor9]

may all the innocent victims rest in peace and will never be forgotten
:rip:
nek im je dzennet vjecna kuca

[Cihangir]

You can't delete them. Instead you should be aggressive when it comes to making people see them since this is the only way. Because people forget too easily...

[Bosnian Unit]

You can't delete them. Instead you should be aggressive when it comes to making people see them since this is the only way. Because people forget too easily...


I agree !

[el Turco]

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[el Turco]

MOTHER***KERS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzMzG7UDvNE

[el Turco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycxi71fbJnU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ2FNzlffNQ

[Fener19*07bahce]

allah kolaylik versin baska bisey diyemezsinki. Rest in peace to all of the victims...

[normthebarman]

Insallah....



This is the real genocide. In 20th century, in the middle of the Europe, they let this happen. NATO "failed" to defend all those victims. Words are not enough to talk about this.

Um.....was the former Republic Of Yugoslavia in NATO? I'm not too sure they were. Which would mean NATO would have no right to be there unless invited. A bit like how they had no right to storm into Iraq uninvited (although, technically, NATO didn't, just a US led "coalition").

The UN was present though but due to UN guidelines were only allowed to defend themselves while looking after any refugees.

The main problem with the Balkans conflict was that there were b*st*rds on both sides comitting attrocities making it quite hard for peacekeeping troops to keep what little peace there was.

But back on topic, R.I.P to all of those innocent people who lost their lives in that conflict and all others.

[el Turco]

He had problems with Turks, im guessing. :mad2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7H5rX77P4

[boris4c]

Wondering what this concept would mean, one U.S. senator asked me how many troops it would take to defend the safe havens. "Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 135,000 troops," I replied. It had to be that large because of the Serb artillery's range. The new UN commander on the ground in Bosnia, Belgian General Francis Briquemont, said he agreed with my assessment but was prepared to try to defend the areas with 65,000 additional troops. The secretary-general of the day, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, went to the Security Council and recommended 27,500 additional troops. The Security Council approved a force of 12,000 and, six months later, fewer than 2,000 additional soldiers had been added to UNPROFOR for the safe-haven tasks.

The truth is nobody cared about those people, as awful as this can sound. We cannot hide this, and the situation remains the same today.

[Saraj Fanático]

RIP to all killed in Srebrenica. People should learn from this and use it for a better future in BiH.

I agree with Boris...

[Saraj Fanático]

He had problems with Turks, im guessing. :mad2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-7H5rX77P4


So did Karadzic...

Mladic is such a fatass....

[el Turco]

So did Karadzic...

Mladic is such a fatass....

My Bosnian friend who sent me this said, in the end of the video, he says he is gonna take revenge from Turks(it's translated as Muslims). Is that true?

[Saraj Fanático]

Yes it is. Many will tell you that Mladic's and Karadzic's motivation was the Turks and Ottoman.

[Cihangir]

Lol, Well Serb nationalism is merely based on the tradition of Turkish hatred. Just like Greek and Bulgarian nationalisms.

[Saraj Fanático]

^ Sadly thats true. But they got nothing on Turkey. Can't touch this ;)

[Cihangir]

^^
LOL They can't indeed. :D

[Bosnian Unit]

They still walk in and around Srebrenica/Bosnia FREE !

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Young Chetniks in BIH today


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They said it will be WORSE NEXT TIME wich will be LAST TIME and the end of Bosniaks...........its sad but i could not agree more, they have their ideology and they are follwing it, but we we have new law wich we dont have to go to army if we dont want to :boo: :boo: :boo: :boo: :boo: .........same as American crap..........our stupidity will cost us our lives ! Our new generation think there will be no more war becouse EU/world would not aloud that to happend :sad: , how stupid that is we was in Europe for 1.000 of years and every 50 years there is genocide on Bosniak people from Serbs and sometimes Croats, every 50 years there is FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND LESS BOSNIAKS AND NOBADY CARE ABOUT THAT , NOBADY !

[Cihangir]

The pure truth.

[poutismalakas]

Lol, Well Serb nationalism is merely based on the tradition of Turkish hatred. Just like Greek and Bulgarian nationalisms.

What would you do if the Turks where slaves for over 600 years! Also what about the Greywolves?! ALL nations have it's extremists and nationalists!

[Sarajbahçe]

^ you think bosnia will lose and be taken over
you really believe that
i swear ***king cetniks mother ***kers
i dont care about serbs but cetniks.. ***kkkk
i will kill any cetnik i see ***king idiots
they piss me off soo much :mad:

[Cihangir]

What would you do if the Turks where slaves for over 600 years! Also what about the Greywolves?! ALL nations have it's extremists and nationalists!

Lol you're giving me a stock response again. "ALL nations have it's extremists and nationalists!" Yes they do that's what I was saying.

Why use the word "slaves"? Especially Greeks were very wealthy. Their importance in the Ottoman Economy can't be ignored and since Islam had strict rules about trading Muslims could not prevail as merchants so most of the Muslims actually weren't wealthy at all. Don't you think it's a bit of a dramatized word? And NO I'm not ignoring troubles of the past buddy, let's just think beyond them.

[Bosnian Unit]

^ you think bosnia will lose and be taken over
you really believe that
i swear ***king cetniks mother ***kers
i dont care about serbs but cetniks.. ***kkkk
i will kill any cetnik i see ***king idiots
they piss me off soo much :mad:

It's not looking good brother, we was looking better in the war and right after the war.

Do you remember after the war when EU/NATO(North American Terrorist Organization) destroyed 70% of our armys equipment. The explonation was, you dont need this much, and its old.

Like i mentioned now you dont have to go in military , its just if you want to. How stupid is that ? Seriously who think there is not gonna be another war ?

Remember one thing, when shit in Europe needs to happend IT WILL HAPPEND RIGHT HERE.......It was like that 1000's years ago it will stay like that.What is our next generation gonna do, if they didnt go thru military school, they are not gonna be able to handle AK47 right not to mention who will take care of airplanes,tanks and other equipment.

By the way who even think our war is over ?

Its still on very well, everybody saw they cant destroy us the way they try in 90's..........but this way they are destroying us slowly.

Western democracy and privatization is killing us.Everybody but Bosniaks is buying important shit in this country, and we will have to work under their rules in our own backyard.

Take a look around........who gives a shit about Srebrenica, today there are at least 60% of those war criminals in law enforcment(police). How is that Bosniak gonna feel, when a police man stops him and gives him a ticket for fast driving for example, but most likely that guy killed some member of his family during war ?

How can you live under those conditions ? After all allmighty EU/West is saying NO Srebrenica have to stay in RS becouse of Dayton agreement, come on becouse of 3 stupid guys who sign it 2.000.000 people have to LIVE WITH IT !

***k EU/NATO/WEST and all that shit.......we need to take shit in our own hands.

EITHER WE DIE OR LIVE FREE.

BOLJE GROB NEGO ROB

[Sarajbahçe]

^ i agree
all those cetniks should leave bosnia
ugly fat mother***kers
i agree, serbs in bosnia today get too much rights and then end up burning our flags and its still ok because they live in "srpska republika" and then when we do it... "TERRORIST ATTACK... muslimani... WORST CRIME IN THE WORLD, THEY BURNED A PRECIOUS SERBIAN FLAG".. i would love to see srpska republika get crushed and so that its just 1 bosnia
so those idiots can go back to serbia if they dont like living with muslims and bosnia

[Sarajbahçe]

13.July 2007.
SERBIAN AGGRESSOR USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO GASS FLEEING BOSNIAN CIVILIANS FROM SREBRENICA IN JULY 1995
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SREBRENICA,Bosnia - The Bosnian civilians who survived the genocide in Srebrenica and vicious attacks against them described mortar shells that produced a strange smoke, one that spread out slowly.Survivors testified that some people then began to hallucinate and act irrationally, killing themselves or their friends. Human Rights Watch believed the chemical used was B-Z, a non-lethal agent that incapacitates people.B-Z is a chemical the army of the former Yugoslavia possessed. Federation of American Scientists.At that time, the evidence remained "inconclusive" due to inability of Human Rights Watch to properly test the samples.

However, in 1995, a team of the U.S. Defense Department experts interviewed a number of the genocide survivors from Srebrenica in the summer of 1996, and concluded that their accounts supported allegations of the use of chemical incapacitants. The conclusion was deemed highly significant by the department. This information was sent up the chain of command. In late 1996, the U.S. intelligence community had information that chemical weapons may have been used by the genocidal Serbian aggressor in the eastern Bosnian town of Srebrenica. A large investigation, which included physical sampling, was undertaken in late 1996 or early 1997 by the U.S. Government. The results of this investigation are not known to us.Srebrenica Genocide Blog

One U.S. official told Human Rights Watch in December 1996 that "we do not see an advantage in declassifying those documents relating to chemical weapons use in Bosnia. We have spoken with people and received assurances that other channels are being pursued that we believe would be more effective and achieve a more favorable outcome than simply publicizing them." The 1998 U.S. Congressional Hearing on Srebrenica Genocide The total Yugoslav chemical weapons arsenal contained sarin, mustard gas, BZ, and the tear gases CN and CS (all in large quantities), together with quite traditional products such as phosgene, chlorine picric acid, cyanogen chloride, adamsite, lewisite, and other materials, often only in laboratory quantities. Federation of American Scientists

In 2006 opening statements, the U.N. Prosecutor McCloskey stated that “criminal orders in war are as a rule issued verbally”, and that a few exceptions existed to the rule. One of the most striking ones is a report sent on 21 July 1995 by Serbian General Zdravko Tolimir from Zepa to General Radomir Miletic, acting Chief of General Staff of the VRS (the genocidal military forces of the Serbians living in Bosnia). Tolimir is asking for help to crush some Bosnian Army strongholds, expressing his view that "the best way to do it would be to use chemical weapons". In the same report, Chemical Tolimir goes even further,proposing strikes against refugee columns leaving Zepa, because that would "force the Muslim fighters to surrender quickly", in his opinion. SENSE Tribunal

Only recently, the world media have started writing somewhat more about the mass use of chemical weapons against civilian targets ; chemical weapons which had been produced for years in the Serbian factories of death. One of these deadly factories was located on the territory of Bosnia, in the township of Potoci near Mostar. The former Yugoslav Army installed in the village of Potoci the machinery for the production of chemical weapons. This was a nucleus from which later developed a whole industrial complex with completely isolated production-research facilities. The production of the toxin of the type SARIN which has a short term effect begun in the factory in Potoci.

Later, the production of SIPERIT, a poison gas with long term effects, was started. For years on the slopes of the Vitez mountain, far from the eyes of the public, numerous experiments were performed: contamination of the terrain and experiments on animals. Only those with security clearance could work in the factories of death. The employees were usually brought in from Serbia and Montenegro. Many people from the Mostar area remember Serbians and Montenegrins who arrived with their families. Their wives were village teachers and spewed out "knowledge" to Bosnian children. All that was conceived under the guise of brotherhood and unity. Of course that now, after the discovery of everything that took place in Potoci the older locals remember that their sheep, cows and horses used to die for no reason. Domestic animals used to produce offspring without hair and with deformities. All this was of course, the effect of the toxins and their vapors. The whole monstrosity of the crime surfaced during the war when the genocidal Serbo-Montenegrin Armada, incapable to change the situation on the front, turned to the deadly chemical weapons which destroy nervous system and cause changes on the body.

According to the reports which have been completed by the experts from the Bosnian Army, the mass production of the chemical weapons in Potoci started in 1984. In that year, a technological line for the production of psychological toxins of the type BZ with the capacity of 5kg per day was established.

Those very same psychological toxins will have a decisive deadly role in the killing of the inhabitants of Srebrenica and Zepa. According to the report of the military experts from the Bosnian Army, during those years, the experts of the former Yugoslav Army feverishly worked on the development of the production of nerve poisons such as SOMAN, VX, TABUN and others. At that time began the collaboration with Iraq, to which large quantities of chemical weapons were sold. Colonel Bozidar Dzakula, M.Sc., was in charge of the whole project of the production and use of chemical weapons.

In the factories of the former Yugoslav Army the production of the artillery shells with the caliber of 122mm which were filled with 1,8 liters of poison. 152 mm shell could be filled with 3.5 liters of poison gas... Airplane shells BAD 100 could hold as much as 20 liters of poison gas. Even landmines filled with poison gases were produced. All produced chemical weapons were stored in the military dump in Zunovnica. From that storage dump, at the beginning of 1992, 40 tones of raw materials necessary for the production of SARIN were taken for the former Yugoslav Army. Since 1990, military experts at the Military Technical Institute in Belgrade have been feverishly investigating lack of iodine in the water supply of Srebrenica and Zepa. More precisely, they were trying to establish the consequences of the lack of iodine and salt on the human body.

It seems that even before the beginning of the 1992-1995 Serbian aggression against Bosnia and mass suffering, the eastern Bosnian towns of Srebrenica and Zepa were earmarked for mass experiments on their population. It is not an accident that the former Yugoslav Army and then also Serbian war criminals Karadzic and Mladic with their collaborators forbade the transport of salt to Srebrenica where the population was suffering en masse from the thyroid. Lack of salt together with the occasional bombardment with poison gases had a horrendous effect on the human body.

According to the genocidal Serbian aggressors' strategic goals at the time, it was more important to kill from time to time and observe what was happening to the population of Srebrenica than to immediately enter the town, slaughter the inhabitants and occupy the enclave. Srebrenica was a long time ago, it seems, predestined to become the training ground for various biochemical experiments. That is why it has been said that the West had known everything and had been warned on time; however they were also eager to obtain the results of the monstrous Serbian experiments. Only now it is becoming clear why in every enclave, besides UN soldiers there were also experts for atomic and biochemical warfare who were always studying something in the field. No one was interested in what they were doing; only now it is clear what function they had.

Poison gases were specifically produced by the genocidal Serbian aggressor with the aim to destroy the human psyche. After a release of the gas in a certain area , the contaminated persons exhibit uncontrolled behavior. People from Srebrenica even now, after all the horror they have been through, talk about the horrendous effects of chemical weapons. Those affected by the poison gas used to shout that they didn't want to fight or move towards the free territory, but instead went straight towards the Serbian aggressor. People would become apathetic or "drink" water from nonexistent streams; they hallucinated that huge blocks of ice were falling on them... and the Serbian aggressor would infiltrate their soldiers among the poisoned Bosnians and kill them.

It is possible that the Serbian aggressor was interested in how long the poison gas remains effective, what the limits of human stamina are and for how long it was possible to control the contaminated people. The camp prisoners from Manjaca, Keraterm, Bratunac, Batkovic and other camps, emphasize that the guards in the camps poured, in front of everyone, white powder in the water which was given to the prisoners; after that the prisoners were even more thirsty than before, became apathetic and resigned.

The tragedy of the population of Bosnia, must not be ignored. Among the many accusations of genocide we should include this one about the mass crimes committed by the fascist Serbian experts who produced chemical weapons; and certainly those who ordered these monstrosities should also pay for their crimes.

The testimony of Stipe Mesic, the last president of the former Yugoslav Presidency who sent the classified documents about chemical weapons to the USA, also confirms that the West knew about these criminal experiments.

"In June, 1991, while I was the president of the presidency of the former SFRY, by chance I stumbled across some documentation about the production of chemical weapons. I believed that such activity was dangerous, not only for this area, but also for the international community. Since it was obvious that a war would break out soon, one could assume that the possible use of these weapons could cause a catastrophe. Therefore, I used this situation to inform certain circles in the American administration about the case. Short time after that, I was taken to the USA where I turned the documents over to the accredited Pentagon officials," Stjepan Mesic emphasized after the discovery of the massive use of poison gases against the civilian population.

[Sarajbahçe]

12.July 2007.
LIST OF GENOCIDE VICTIMS WHO WERE BURIED YESTERDAY AT THE SREBRENICA GENOCIDE MEMORIAL CENTER
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SREBRENICA,Bosnia – This is the list of the genocide victims from Srebrenica, mass murdered by the genocidal Serbian aggressor in July 1995, who were buried yesterday at the Srebrenica Genocide Memorial Center:

Abdurahmanović (Ferid) Jakub 1947., Ademović (Dahmo) Nedžib 1961., Ademović (Idriz) Bajro 1959., Ademović (Idriz) Ragib 1952., Ademović (Ševko) Saib 1952, Ademović (Ahmet) Vahdet 1972., Ahmetović (Enez) Samir 1977., Ahmetović (Hajrudin) Edin 1976., Ahmetović (Husein) Ramo 1959., Ahmetović (Ibrahim) Behadil 1959., Ahmetović (Mehmed) Meho 1918., Ahmetović (Mehmed) Suljo 1966., Ahmetović (Meho) Džemal 1947., Ahmetović (Meho) Izet 1958., Ahmetović (Osmo) Asim 1948., Ahmetović (Redžo) Ramo 1936., Ahmetović (Smail) Alija 1974., Ahmetović (Sulejman) Muharem 1929., Ahmetović (Šaban) Avdo 1939.

Alemić (Hajrudin) Zaim 1974., Alemić (Hasan) Alija 1935., Alić (Bekto) Beriz 1969., Alić (Adem) Samir 1972., Alić (Alaga) Bajro 1959., Alić (Alija) Junuz 1947., Alić (Bajro) Osman 1981., Alić (Ferid) Fejzo 1957., Alić (Husejin) Avdulah 1951., Alić (Ibrahim) Redžo 1956., Alić (Mehmed) Nurija 1970., Alić (Murat) Ćamil 1947., Alić (Rasim) Dževad 1959., Alić (Rasim) Nedžad 1961., Alić (Senaid) Senad 1975., Alić (Šaćir) Mujo 1933., Alić (Ševko) Vahdet 1974., Ališević (Vehbija) Avdulah 1939., Aljić (Junuz) Zildžija 1936., Aljkanović (Šerif) Safet 1955., Atić (Ibrahim) Sevledin 1975., Atić (Ibro) Ibrahim 1942., Atić (Idriz) Hašim 1936., Avdić (Adem) Ševko 1958., Avdić (Alija) Hajrudin 1970., Avdić (Avdo) Ramiz 1947., Avdić (Džemal) Nevzet 1965., Avdić (Džemal) Refik 1977., Avdić (Mujo) Mirsad 1969., Avdić (Redžo) Ragib 1936., Avdić (Šahin) Mirzet 1976.

Babić (Alija) Redžo 1965., Badžić (Avdo) Himzo 1946., Bajraktarević (Ešef) Mujo 1934., Bajraktarević (Ismet) Mirsad 1959., Bakalović (Mujo) dr. Avdo 1953., Bečić (Ramo) Idriz 1949., Bećirović (Alija) Omer 1968., Bećirović (Bego) Kiram 1948., Bećirović (Bešir) Sead 1957., Bećirović (Mušan) Ramiz 1947., Bećirović (Ramo) Ramo 1931., Bećirović (Safet) Jusuf 1975., Bećirović (Salih) Safet 1939., Bećirović (Suljo) Avdo 1940., Beganović (Asim) Rizah 1941., Begić (Bego) Mahmut 1923., Begić (Mahmut) Ismet 1958., Begić (Salih) Hasan 1964., Begović (Habib) Avdija 1970., Begzadić (Alija) Salko 1957., Bektić (Ahmet) Abid 1952., Bektić (Džemal) Esed 1964., Bektić (Džemal) Mirsad 1978., Bektić (Ibrahim) Rešo 1968., Bektić (Nazif) Bajro 1967., Bektić (Zaim) Himzo 1940., Budić (Mehmed) Sulejman 1955., Buljubašić (Avdija) Elvir 1975.

Čamdžić (Hasan) Ahmet 1959., Čamdžić (Hasan) Ramiz 1968., Čavkušić (Nurko) Hasib 1944., Dautbašić (Avdo) Šaćir 1951., Dautbašić (Kiram) Damir 1977., Dautbašić (Rašid) Esad 1937., Dautović (Hrusto) Redžo 1933., Dedić (Meho) Redžo 1960., Dedić (Suljo) Sulejman 1977., Delić (Alija) Juso 1970., Delić (Amil) Bajazit 1935., Delić (Husein) Hasan 1976., Delić (Mustafa) Ferid 1952., Delić (Nezir) Sabit 1944., Delić (Ohran) Adnan 1978., Delić (Selman) Mehmed 1940., Delić (Šaban) Šefik 1976., Dervišević (Himzo) Behadil 1951., Džananović (Ragib) Redžo 1975., Džanić (Enes) Zihrad 1971., Džanić (Husejin) Nermin 1974., Džanić (Ibro) Edin 1966., Džebo (Huso) Osman 1959., Đogaz (Hamed) Samir 1977., Đozić (Ahmo) Abdulah 1929., Đozić (Mensur) Esad 1973., Efendić (Džemal) Dževad 1970., Efendić (Husein) Mevludin 1969., Efendić (Meho) Meša 1932., Efendić (Uzeir) Edhem 1939., Ejubović (Muharem) Behadil 1963., Emkić (Hasib) Hasan 1968.

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May they all rest in peace :rip:

[poutismalakas]

Lol you're giving me a stock response again. "ALL nations have it's extremists and nationalists!" Yes they do that's what I was saying.

Why use the word "slaves"? Especially Greeks were very wealthy. Their importance in the Ottoman Economy can't be ignored and since Islam had strict rules about trading Muslims could not prevail as merchants so most of the Muslims actually weren't wealthy at all. Don't you think it's a bit of a dramatized word? And NO I'm not ignoring troubles of the past buddy, let's just think beyond them.
Only the Phanar Greeks where rich the rest where slaves, uneducated, and poor! Alsowhat do you call it when your sons are taken from you force to become muslins, soldiers (Janassary Corps) and your daugthers taken to harems?

[Cihangir]

Only the Phanar Greeks where rich the rest where slaves, uneducated, and poor! Alsowhat do you call it when your sons are taken from you force to become muslins, soldiers (Janassary Corps) and your daugthers taken to harems?

Lol sounds like a Roman way to "use" people.
I'm not defending one over another but these things were common these days. There were wealthy Greeks, Turks, Armenians and Bosnians and etc. just like there were the poor ones and being a non-Muslim in a Muslim empire had its own disadvantages but I still think that Greek nationalists over exaggerate these facts. (That is their only way of surviving) Of course, I'm again talking beyond the military troubles and conflicts of the past.
If you look at the general almost everybody here in Istanbul especially the old people think it was better when Phanariotes were here. This is very common in Aegean cities and islands of Turkey.
I think I can say that some Greeks are still slaves. The slaves of unfortunate politics, just like some Turks.

[Ero]

Those 500 terrible years of Turkish control in Bosnia and Hercegovina made this happen. I'm Proud to say my family weren't traitors during those years and didnt switch religions, cultures and ethnicity (yeah i said it ).

Odavno smo graničari stari.
Čuvali smo granicu na Drini.

Čuvali je sa starih čardaka.
I branili zemlju od Turaka.

Čuvali je stotine godina.
Branili je hrabro od tuđina.

I djedovi svoju krv su lili.
Da obrane naš zavičaj mili.

:)

[Cihangir]

Your "family" must be catholic right?

[Cihangir]

11 more bodies that are related to the killings between 92-95 were found in Serbia. It's reported that 2 out of 11 are from Srebrenica.

Their names are:
Mensur Ajetović
Rašid Malagić
Sadik Orić
Nijaz Alagić
Himzo Demirović
Esad Bosno
Alija Jahić
Senad Sarajlić
Mirsad Filipović
Edina Sejmenović
Mujo Hodzić

They were given to Bosnian gov. to be buried in Bosnian soil.

[el Turco]

Odavno smo graničari stari.
Čuvali smo granicu na Drini.

Čuvali je sa starih čardaka.
I branili zemlju od Turaka.

Čuvali je stotine godina.
Branili je hrabro od tuđina.

I djedovi svoju krv su lili.
Da obrane naš zavičaj mili.


please translate this, anyone.

[Saraj Fanático]

What Ero said was.

We were happy Beavers (Herzegovinians).
We lived in peace

We had waterfalls made of chocolate
We had peace until the Turks came

We ran for Hundreds of years
We didn't even try to defend our land

At the end we can always make up stories
That we defended our soil, and were a brave band.

Thats about it :)

:lol:

j/k

[Saraj Fanático]

Those 500 terrible years of Turkish control in Bosnia and Hercegovina made this happen. I'm Proud to say my family weren't traitors during those years and didnt switch religions, cultures and ethnicity (yeah i said it ).



You guys had a completely different religion then us at the time the Ottoman times came. We just decided to switch to the Islamic faith from Bogomilism to Islam... just like you guys switched faith to Christianity because of the Hungarian Empire. So whats the difference here? Are you saying we are somehow the traitors when your history of actions is completely similar to ours?

[el Turco]

So Ero, you pretty much blame Turks for everything. Wow!

And you think Bosnians were traitors because they switched religions. Im sorry dude, but this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. :)

[Cihangir]

Ig-no-ran-ce

Repeat after me.

Ig-no-........

[Sarajbahçe]

ero what are you even doing in this thread
if you start blaming people
this is a bosnia thread not a croatian thread
we can point fingers too and call croats traitors
but i dont get why people do that anymore
best be quiet and not say anything at all or say something stupid that will offend someone

[Toke-E-Yo]

this is just askin for trouble;

Everyone walk away before it gets even worse.

[Saraj Fanático]

Yeah Ero, nobody wants to know how Herzegovinians lived with Chocolate Waterfalls before the Turks came!!!

Anyways lets get back on topic now. Its a pity Ratko "Fat man" Mladic and Radovan Karina are still not in the hague. They will eventually die free.

[poutismalakas]

So Ero, you pretty much blame Turks for everything. Wow!

And you think Bosnians were traitors because they switched religions. Im sorry dude, but this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. :)
I think the issue is that what you think if the Serbs have beaten the Ottomans and took over the Balkans and Asia Minor and Half of the Turk converted to Orthodox Christianity? I beat the Muslim Turks would not consider them Brothers! Hell even the Turks in Turkey who convert are not treated so nice!?

[Cihangir]

I think the issue is that what you think if the Serbs have beaten the Ottomans and took over the Balkans and Asia Minor and Half of the Turk converted to Orthodox Christianity? I beat the Muslim Turks would not consider them Brothers! Hell even the Turks in Turkey who convert are not treated so nice!?

Lol everybody's fault here is to think about the past with today's perceptions. Who killed who in the past why are people still talking about this. Except genocides of course.

You're ancestors killed mine.
Okay but I won't try to kill you for that man so chill the ***k out. LOL

[poutismalakas]

There were wealthy Greeks, Turks, Armenians and Bosnians and etc. just like there were the poor ones and being a non-Muslim in a Muslim empire had its own disadvantages but I still think that Greek nationalists over exaggerate these facts. (That is their only way of surviving) Of course, I'm again talking beyond the military troubles and conflicts of the past.
If you look at the general almost everybody here in Istanbul especially the old people think it was better when Phanariotes were here. This is very common in Aegean cities and islands of Turkey.

As I said the vast majority of the Non-Muslims paid a HEAVY price, as in the dimmitude tax, the Janassary "recruitments" and the Harem "recruitments".


I think I can say that some Greeks are still slaves. The slaves of unfortunate politics, just like some Turks.

I agree with that statment!

[Sarajbahçe]

I think the issue is that what you think if the Serbs have beaten the Ottomans and took over the Balkans and Asia Minor and Half of the Turk converted to Orthodox Christianity? I beat the Muslim Turks would not consider them Brothers! Hell even the Turks in Turkey who convert are not treated so nice!?

well that couldnt happen, now could it??
because we were conquered by the Kingdom of Greece
Alexander The Great Conquered the balkans and forced slaves to create the famous greek pyramid in visoko, bosnia.

[Cihangir]

Agreeing feels good! :D

[Cihangir]

I hear about that pyramid here and there it's pretty mysterious.

[poutismalakas]

well that couldnt happen, now could it??
because we were conquered by the Kingdom of Greece
Alexander The Great Conquered the balkans and forced slaves to create the famous greek pyramid in visoko, bosnia.
Go on believing that the Bosnians built those socalled pyramids!;)

[poutismalakas]

I hear about that pyramid here and there it's pretty mysterious.
If yo0u want we can talk about via pm cause the last time people got mad at me :ronaldo:

[Sarajbahçe]

Go on believing that the Bosnians built those socalled pyramids!;)

who said anything about the bosnians building those pyramids
i said Alexander The Great and the Greek Empire built it
learn your history

i mean what would the world be without Greece

[poutismalakas]

who said anything about the bosnians building those pyramids
i said Alexander The Great and the Greek Empire built it
learn your history

i mean what would the world be without Greece
sure why NOT?:rolleyes: NOT

Well you know my opinion on those...!:ronaldo:

[Cihangir]

who said anything about the bosnians building those pyramids
i said Alexander The Great and the Greek Empire built it
learn your history

i mean what would the world be without Greece

Well I wouldn't mind only if ouzo stays.

[Cihangir]

If yo0u want we can talk about via pm cause the last time people got mad at me :ronaldo:

Yea we should really use PM for off topic shit. :/

[poutismalakas]

Ill send you something about the topic give a couple of minutes

[Ero]

You guys had a completely different religion then us at the time the Ottoman times came. We just decided to switch to the Islamic faith from Bogomilism to Islam... just like you guys switched faith to Christianity because of the Hungarian Empire. So whats the difference here? Are you saying we are somehow the traitors when your history of actions is completely similar to ours?

True we did become Catholics. Difference being is that once we converted we didnt change our ethnicity :).

[Cihangir]

True we did become Catholics. Difference being is that once we converted we didnt change our ethnicity :).

The last time I checked, Christianity wasn't born in Croatia. It must have changed ALOT of ethnicities to reach the Balkans.
Must be hard to admit your arguments are inconsistent and laughable.

[Sarajbahçe]

how did this thread go from the genocide in srebrenica
to greeks being enslaved by turks?? hahahah

[Sarajbahçe]

True we did become Catholics. Difference being is that once we converted we didnt change our ethnicity :).

what are you saying, croatia is perfect.. that you are gods son?
i just dont get how you could call someone a traitor just for that
i was born a muslim and thats how im going to live

[Cihangir]

It's all Franks' fault. Nationalism, who needed that shit?

[Sarajbahçe]

nationalism i hate that word
too much of it is already in bosnia
croats in hercegovina
serbs in republika srpska
even bosniaks
who knows, maybe another war will come up
i just find it stupid how kids are being taught the "cetnik way of life" in bosnia and when we believe that and get help from another islamic country or anything at all like that, we are considered as the bad guys, the terrorists...
thats ***king all crap
if they hate bosnia... then leave
they will do everyone a favour because republika srpska or hercegovina will never split so you can suck on that

[Saraj Fanático]

True we did become Catholics. Difference being is that once we converted we didnt change our ethnicity :).


lol wait so what your saying is somehow we were Catholics, and converted to Islam when the Ottoman empire arrived. Okay so this is the latest version of the stupid Ustasa story of Bosniaks, correct? Alright let me just clear some things up for ya big fella. You blame the Turks mainly for converting us and bringing aggression to your people and so on. But really the Turks weren't converting anyone or forcing people to. If you had studied the facts before you made that little statement you would find out that the Hungarian empire was at war with the Slavic peoples who had accepted Bogomilism and rejected Christianity which they indeed did FORCE down the throats of the South Slavic tribes long before any Turk stepped on our land. So who was the traitor then when we were under Hungarian aggression for years? And what did the other South Slavic people (Serbs, Croats etc..) who did accept the faith live with? Freedom and aggression free.

So what your basically saying now is that somehow we already had been catholics and then we converted from that somehow magically? So the entire Bosnjanin people somehow had a change of heart instantly. LOL! You cannot erase the history of Bogomilism pretty boy. Ask yourself who were the Bogomils at the time and how they formed out of South Slavic people instead of writing stupid shit down all the time. We converted to Islam from Bogomilism because under the Ottoman it was the end of our price to pay and the beginning of yours.. now you expect us to apologize and feel bad for you guys because you were treated just like we were once. lol I don't give a flying crap honestly. :lol:


And also Ero, I want to tell you something which I have been wiating to do for right this moment. First off, you should learn not to stick your nose in issues you have no clue about and your predicting without any facts. Maybe those Ustasa quotes have you powered up at the moment and your looking to spread some BS to prove your patriotism. Thats great but you just embarrass yourself since you cannot challenge people who studied their history just like I cannot challenge a Croat who studied his own. This Ustasa nonsense has you really fired up for you to come and spit in the face of Srebrenica victims and start a topic about how bad the turks were. You could have just ignored this thread and moved on yet you have to be the right one above all. And how the hell can you even have the nerves to put down Ustasa quotes time and time again on your signature? Do you even know what a Ustasa is fella? Its a Nazi. You do realize that there are Serb members here who have long passed family members killed by that group, correct? How do you think they feel when they see that? And some Bosniaks also? I dunno why our forum is so slow to address such hate and behavior in SFN but if it was up to me I would ban your ass at first site. I am surprised Senior Mods sit back and watch you get away with that. Its people like you who turn this site into a political one. And if it was up to me I would make sure that not a single Ustasa, Balija, or Cetnik has anything so off topic and ***king provocative and stupid to display for a long time to come.

[Bosnian Unit]

True we did become Catholics. Difference being is that once we converted we didnt change our ethnicity :).

So what you have people even today converting to Islam.

Muhamad Ali

Mike ''Aziz'' Tyson

Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal

Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam)

Bruno Metsu (French...coach of Senegal in WC '02)

Nicholas Anelka ( football player)



For more..........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam


FACT: Islam is the second largest religion after Christianity in many European countries.

FACT: Fastest growing religion in the world.

FACT: More none Muslims converted to Islam after 9/11 then before !

Not to mention average people, and how many of them converted.

[poutismalakas]

So what you have people even today converting to Islam.

Muhamad Ali

Mike ''Aziz'' Tyson

Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal

Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam)

Bruno Metsu (French...coach of Senegal in WC '02)

Nicholas Anelka ( football player)



For more..........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam


FACT: Islam is the second largest religion after Christianity in many European countries.

FACT: Fastest growing religion in the world.

FACT: More none Muslims converted to Islam after 9/11 then before !

Not to mention average people, and how many of them converted.


SO WHAT!! THOUSANDS have converted to Christianity from Islam as well Just look below


Utameshgaray of Kazan - khan of Kazan Khanate[33]

Nonie Darwish - freelance writer[34]

Mehdi Dibaj - Iranian pastor and Christian martyr[35]

Ghorban Tourani - former Iranian Sunni Muslim who became a Christian minister. He received the death penalty for Apostasy in Islam[36][37][38][39][40][41]

Jean-Bédel Bokassa - Central African Republic Emperor (from Christianity to
Islam back to Christianity)[42]

Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - American football player[43]

Qadry Ismail - former American football player[44]

Raghib Ismail - former American football player[45]

Tunch Ilkin - former American football player[46]

Carlos Menem - former President of Argentina[47]

George Weah - Liberian soccer player (from Christianity to Islam back to Christianity)[48]

Tuğçe Kazaz - Turkish model; Miss Turkey 2001[49]

Abo of Tiflis - 8th century convert later beheaded as a martyr.[50]

Mehdi Dibaj - Iranian pastor and Christian martyr[51]

Felix, one of the Martyrs of Córdoba with Aurelius and Natalia[52]

Mark A. Gabriel - writer on Islamic affairs[53]

Daveed Gartenstein-Ross- converted from Judaism to Islam to Christianity; counter-terrorism expert[54]

Mathieu Kérékou - President of Benin (from Christianity to Islam back to
Christianity)[55]

Begum Samru - powerful lady of north India, ruling a large area from

Sardhana, Uttar Pradesh[56]

Hussain Andaryas - Afghani Christian activist[57]

Abdul Rahman - Afghan convert to Christianity who escaped the death penalty because of foreign pressure[58]

Lina Joy- former muslim from Malaysia fighting to make her conversion legal [59]

Zachariah Anani - former Muslim Lebanese militia fighter [60]

Malika Oufkir - Author, activist and former prisoner of the Moroccan Royal Family. [61]

Ruffa Gutierrez - Filipina actress, model and former beauty queen (from Christianity to Islam back to Christianity)[62]

Hakeem Seriki (AKA Chamillionaire) - American rapper[63]

Walid Shoebat - author and former member of the PLO [64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_people_who_converted_to_Christianity#From_Islam

[NK Željezničar]

this is off topic

[poutismalakas]

Bosnian Unit started IT! :D Just commenting to him!

[Cihangir]

lol wait so what your saying is somehow we were Catholics, and converted to Islam when the Ottoman empire arrived. Okay so this is the latest version of the stupid Ustasa story of Bosniaks, correct? Alright let me just clear some things up for ya big fella. You blame the Turks mainly for converting us and bringing aggression to your people and so on. But really the Turks weren't converting anyone or forcing people to. If you had studied the facts before you made that little statement you would find out that the Hungarian empire was at war with the Slavic peoples who had accepted Bogomilism and rejected Christianity which they indeed did FORCE down the throats of the South Slavic tribes long before any Turk stepped on our land. So who was the traitor then when we were under Hungarian aggression for years? And what did the other South Slavic people (Serbs, Croats etc..) who did accept the faith live with? Freedom and aggression free.

So what your basically saying now is that somehow we already had been catholics and then we converted from that somehow magically? So the entire Bosnjanin people somehow had a change of heart instantly. LOL! You cannot erase the history of Bogomilism pretty boy. Ask yourself who were the Bogomils at the time and how they formed out of South Slavic people instead of writing stupid shit down all the time. We converted to Islam from Bogomilism because under the Ottoman it was the end of our price to pay and the beginning of yours.. now you expect us to apologize and feel bad for you guys because you were treated just like we were once. lol I don't give a flying crap honestly. :lol:


And also Ero, I want to tell you something which I have been wiating to do for right this moment. First off, you should learn not to stick your nose in issues you have no clue about and your predicting without any facts. Maybe those Ustasa quotes have you powered up at the moment and your looking to spread some BS to prove your patriotism. Thats great but you just embarrass yourself since you cannot challenge people who studied their history just like I cannot challenge a Croat who studied his own. This Ustasa nonsense has you really fired up for you to come and spit in the face of Srebrenica victims and start a topic about how bad the turks were. You could have just ignored this thread and moved on yet you have to be the right one above all. And how the hell can you even have the nerves to put down Ustasa quotes time and time again on your signature? Do you even know what a Ustasa is fella? Its a Nazi. You do realize that there are Serb members here who have long passed family members killed by that group, correct? How do you think they feel when they see that? And some Bosniaks also? I dunno why our forum is so slow to address such hate and behavior in SFN but if it was up to me I would ban your ass at first site. I am surprised Senior Mods sit back and watch you get away with that. Its people like you who turn this site into a political one. And if it was up to me I would make sure that not a single Ustasa, Balija, or Cetnik has anything so off topic and ***king provocative and stupid to display for a long time to come.

These men often ignore the fact that their existence today is an Ottoman blessing. I'm not saying this to start another shitty convo but no reasonable one would give a shit if you can't handle this purest truth. 500 years is enough time to ethnically wipe out few nations while you had ABSOLUTE control over them eh?

[NK Željezničar]

^ hahaha cihangir
you shouldn't of said that
now poutismalakas will give another one of his "greek slavery" stories :lol:

[poutismalakas]

These men often ignore the fact that their existence today is an Ottoman blessing. I'm not saying this to start another shitty convo but no reasonable one would give a shit if you can't handle this purest truth. 500 years is enough time to ethnically wipe out few nations while you had ABSOLUTE control over them eh?


It is a KNOWN FACT that the Ottoman where worried about the declining Christian populations because they where the ones paying the heaviest taxes!


^ hahaha cihangir
you shouldn't of said that
now poutismalakas will give another one of his "greek slavery" stories :lol:

Also FK-Sarajevo11 I mean NK Željezničar it is a bannible offense to create sockpuppets!;) BOTH OF YOU HAVE THE SAME IP!!!!!! PLEASE EXPLAIN before I ban you and warn FK hard!!

[poutismalakas]

Anyways it a disgraciful tragedy that this happened I hope that all the Bosnian hearts heal from but never forget this!!!!

[Saraj Fanático]

SO WHAT!! THOUSANDS have converted to Christianity from Islam as well Just look below


Utameshgaray of Kazan - khan of Kazan Khanate[33]

Nonie Darwish - freelance writer[34]

Mehdi Dibaj - Iranian pastor and Christian martyr[35]

Ghorban Tourani - former Iranian Sunni Muslim who became a Christian minister. He received the death penalty for Apostasy in Islam[36][37][38][39][40][41]

Jean-Bédel Bokassa - Central African Republic Emperor (from Christianity to
Islam back to Christianity)[42]

Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - American football player[43]

Qadry Ismail - former American football player[44]

Raghib Ismail - former American football player[45]

Tunch Ilkin - former American football player[46]

Carlos Menem - former President of Argentina[47]

George Weah - Liberian soccer player (from Christianity to Islam back to Christianity)[48]

Tuğçe Kazaz - Turkish model; Miss Turkey 2001[49]

Abo of Tiflis - 8th century convert later beheaded as a martyr.[50]

Mehdi Dibaj - Iranian pastor and Christian martyr[51]

Felix, one of the Martyrs of Córdoba with Aurelius and Natalia[52]

Mark A. Gabriel - writer on Islamic affairs[53]

Daveed Gartenstein-Ross- converted from Judaism to Islam to Christianity; counter-terrorism expert[54]

Mathieu Kérékou - President of Benin (from Christianity to Islam back to
Christianity)[55]

Begum Samru - powerful lady of north India, ruling a large area from

Sardhana, Uttar Pradesh[56]

Hussain Andaryas - Afghani Christian activist[57]

Abdul Rahman - Afghan convert to Christianity who escaped the death penalty because of foreign pressure[58]

Lina Joy- former muslim from Malaysia fighting to make her conversion legal [59]

Zachariah Anani - former Muslim Lebanese militia fighter [60]

Malika Oufkir - Author, activist and former prisoner of the Moroccan Royal Family. [61]

Ruffa Gutierrez - Filipina actress, model and former beauty queen (from Christianity to Islam back to Christianity)[62]

Hakeem Seriki (AKA Chamillionaire) - American rapper[63]

Walid Shoebat - author and former member of the PLO [64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_people_who_converted_to_Christianity#From_Islam

So what, screw your Ruffa Gutierrez, and Abdul Rahman. We got Mike Tyson, Shaq, and the Greatest of All Time, Muhammad Ali! :lol:

[poutismalakas]

So what, screw your Ruffa Gutierrez, and Abdul Rahman. We got Mike Tyson, Shaq, and the Greatest of All Time, Muhammad Ali! :lol:
Boy is that mature!:faint2:

[Cihangir]

poutismalakas you're talking about the freakin' taxes while I'm talking about a genocide.

[Saraj Fanático]

@Poutis: I was kidding around with you... if you didn't notice. lol.

Anyways back to Srebrenica and lets leave this talk about religious converting out.

[poutismalakas]

poutismalakas you're talking about the freakin' taxes while I'm talking about a genocide. My bad

BUT WHY do you think that about 30-40% of Turks today look like their Greek? Because genetically they are! They are the Asia Minor/Balkan Greek converts who choose to convert to avoid the Heavy non-muslim taxes.

[Cihangir]

Has anyone seen the news about that Bosniak family whose house got arsoned and vandalized? That happened in Florida in 6th of July. No suspects yet and the major news channels were quite stubborn not to mention it. It is also ironic that they are quick to catch radical-Muslims tho.

[poutismalakas]

Has anyone seen the news about that Bosniak family whose house got arsoned and vandalized? That happened in Florida in 6th of July. No suspects yet and the major news channels were quite stubborn not to mention it. It is also ironic that they are quick to catch radical-Muslims tho.
It is easier to catch radicals than biggots! Radicals usually plan out shit over a certain amount of time while biggots are more implusive about their actions!

[Saraj Fanático]

@Cihangir: oh thats normal. You can break into Islamic households, that is the least of the worries of the police when there is a War on Islam, oh I mean War on Terror going on!

[Cihangir]

My bad

BUT WHY do you think that about 30-40% of Turks today look like their Greek? Because genetically they are! They are the Asia Minor/Balkan Greek converts who choose to convert to avoid the Heavy non-muslim taxes.

Well that's because our culture is fine about cross marriages I guess after all we are not that racist when it comes to this situations. Both sides were made racists against each other by imperial powers that were behind Greece in order to make Ottomans collapse.
How would you comment on the fact that Turks also look like Bosnians, Armenians and Arabs?

[Cihangir]

It is easier to catch radicals than biggots! Radicals usually plan out shit over a certain amount of time while biggots are more implusive about their actions!

Go and check the news on Away from Bosnia football topic in Bosnian Football. There are two pictures and it will remind you of the KKK. It is obvious that this shit was done by some local men and the mighty American police can't quite get their long arms of law on them. It has been 11 days.

[poutismalakas]

@Cihangir: oh thats normal. You can break into Islamic households, that is the least of the worries of the police when there is a War on Islam, oh I mean War on Terror going on!
DUDE you live in the US and do you have friends that are cops?????

For all we know that break in was for monatary reason and not political? If it is for political reasons it is easier to to get away with shit when you just bach shit, less clues unlike radical type stuff like bomb material, bodies, and etc.

[poutismalakas]

Go and check the news on Away from Bosnia football topic in Bosnian Football. There are two pictures and it will remind you of the KKK. It is obvious that this shit was done by some local men and the mighty American police can't quite get their long arms of law on them. It has been 11 days.
The KKK are a paramilitary type org. they have had members in the miltary, police, and politcal level in the past! Also how much clues where left behind? If those biggot left very little it will be harder to determined who did it! Also if it continues to happen it will be easier to catch them!

[Cihangir]

The KKK are a paramilitary type org. they have had members in the miltary, police, and politcal level in the past! Also how much clues where left behind? If those biggot left very little it will be harder to determined who did it! Also if it continues to happen it will be easier to catch them!

No I meant the burning of the house graffiti es like ***k Islam and muslem on the walls reminded me of the KKK. You're right but I don't know it has been 11 days man and it's an arson. Just a simple arson.

[poutismalakas]

Well that's because our culture is fine about cross marriages I guess after all we are not that racist when it comes to this situations. Both sides were made racists against each other by imperial powers that were behind Greece in order to make Ottomans collapse.
How would you comment on the fact that Turks also look like Bosnians, Armenians and Arabs?

Western Turks have more Hellenic blood just like Eastern Turks have more Arab, Kurdish, Armenian, and Persian blood! Turks are a more mixed population! The Turkish guys I know range from a Blond Turk (Yugoslavic blood), One being (1/2 Egyptian 1/4 Greek 1/4 Turkish), A Kurd, a couple of Turks who could pass as Greeks in Greece and one who looks more Khazakstani! ;)

[poutismalakas]

No I meant the burning of the house graffiti es like ***k Islam and muslem on the walls reminded me of the KKK. You're right but I don't know it has been 11 days man and it's an arson. Just a simple arson.
Arson leaves clues so it depends who set the fires!? It takes time cause for all we know those biggots could be keeping their mouths shut!? NO. 1 way to catch a criminal is to have the moron brag!

[Cihangir]

Well this is true to some extent. The Turks who escaped from Greece of course looks a bit like Greeks since I said the cross marriages were pretty common but the Aegean coast is overwhelmed with Bosniak towns and cities. They were made to settle in these areas (in addition to the ones who escaped from Greece) after the Austro-Hungarian occupation and eventually after the Balkan wars so I don't think the Wester and Eastern Turk terms are precise.
Yes lol Turks are VERY mixed. I like that feature.

[Cihangir]

I was actually gonna take the issue to how does that make you, the Bosnians in US, feel?

[poutismalakas]

Well this is true to some extent. The Turks who escaped from Greece of course looks a bit like Greeks since I said the cross marriages were pretty common but the Aegean coast is overwhelmed with Bosniak towns and cities. They were made to settle in these areas (in addition to the ones who escaped from Greece) after the Austro-Hungarian occupation and eventually after the Balkan wars so I don't think the Wester and Eastern Turk terms are precise.
Yes lol Turks are VERY mixed. I like that feature.
You should know that I have gone out of my way to talk with Turks. The First 2 Turks that I discribe are former drinking buddies of mine! The blond one move to LA and the other started a Kabob stand and is too busy to hang out anymore!

[Cihangir]

You should go on and open up a Greek tavern just across the road of the shop of that kebab guy! :D

[Saraj Fanático]

DUDE you live in the US and do you have friends that are cops?????

For all we know that break in was for monatary reason and not political? If it is for political reasons it is easier to to get away with shit when you just bach shit, less clues unlike radical type stuff like bomb material, bodies, and etc.


Okay I don't have any friends who are cops in the US and I am not in the US but I just don't buy that crap where the cops suddenly catch the Terrorists out of nowhere and unveil plans for attacks. I think its all for two things, further hate of Islam and keeping the public afraid like CNN does. I admit that there are Islamic Radicals who are insane and should be really arrested but I also believe that the media keeps focus on them all the time. While Radicals of other faiths are ignored. And we all know that. I mean first it was the blacks always being the suspects and now its the Muslims. Never ending cycle it seems.

I am with the police on most cases, but I am mainly against the Media.

[poutismalakas]

@Cihangir: oh thats normal. You can break into Islamic households, that is the least of the worries of the police when there is a War on Islam, oh I mean War on Terror going on!
NO War on Islam!!!!! Believe what your propaganda websites tell you! It is a War on Terrorism or what the Saudis, Dick Chaney, and Oil co's tell Bush what to say!

[NK Željezničar]

NO War on Islam!!!!! Believe what your propaganda websites tell you! It is a War on Terrorism or what the Saudis, Dick Chaney, and Oil co's tell Bush what to say!

if you didnt notice
it is not war on terrorism
it is war on islam
anyone with a muslim name will have trouble at the airport

[Sema]

RIP to all Srebrenica Victims!

I was actually gonna take the issue to how does that make you, the Bosnians in US, feel?

Well, it certanly makes me fell mad, that this was done and their house burned, and neighbors didn't see, at least no mention of neighbors noticing anything in that article you posted.

I used to live in St. Louis (Little Bosnia) and wherever I turned there was a Bosnian. But 4 years ago we moved about 30 miles south, and I don't regret it one bit. The schooling in St. Louis was horrible compared to here, and so was living. Every year though, more and more Bosnians and even Turks are moving South, so I expect to see more Bosnians when this school year starts.80% of my friends now are not Bosnians or Muslims. And they don't express any hatred towards me, they respect me for who I am, and not my beliefs. The worst thing that happened was our cars were egged, but so were just about everyone's on my street, so I think nothing of that.

[Saraj Fanático]

NO War on Islam!!!!! Believe what your propaganda websites tell you! It is a War on Terrorism or what the Saudis, Dick Chaney, and Oil co's tell Bush what to say!


lol yeah Metallica was stopped at the airport in London because he had a beard. And which people mainly have beards? Muslims. I rest my case.

War on terrorism doesn't exist because if it did, Terrorists wouldn't be leading such a war in the first place.

Also my old mans best friend had some trouble at the Airport when traveling from New York to Sarajevo for having the last name Muharemovic just two weeks ago.

[Pr0s]

Sema, What kind of neighborhood do you live in to get your car egged?

[Sema]

I live in a very good neighborhood. The eggings were just probably kids messing around. That same night, about half a mile from my house, 12 cars tires were slashed. That was 3 years, ago, and nothing bad has happened since. Other than my neighbors car being stolen, then brought back 3 days later. Nothing missing, not a scratch on it, lol.

[Pr0s]

^The people who took it must have gotten the guilt trip lol

[Saraj Fanático]

RIP to all Srebrenica Victims!



Well, it certanly makes me fell mad, that this was done and their house burned, and neighbors didn't see, at least no mention of neighbors noticing anything in that article you posted.

I used to live in St. Louis (Little Bosnia) and wherever I turned there was a Bosnian. But 4 years ago we moved about 30 miles south, and I don't regret it one bit. The schooling in St. Louis was horrible compared to here, and so was living. Every year though, more and more Bosnians and even Turks are moving South, so I expect to see more Bosnians when this school year starts.80% of my friends now are not Bosnians or Muslims. And they don't express any hatred towards me, they respect me for who I am, and not my beliefs. The worst thing that happened was our cars were egged, but so were just about everyone's on my street, so I think nothing of that.

My mothers first cousin lives down in St. Louis. I hear that there is a lot of crime going on and its mainly Blacks attacking Bosnians for some reason. Is that true because everyone from there that i spoke to says the same thing.

[Sema]

I don't live there now, but that kind of stuff never makes the news. I am not a racist, but it is the blacks who cause the most trouble around St. Louis. EVERY morning, someone has been killed, and 95% of the time, the suspect is black.

The attacks on Bosnians are also true, but everyone gets attacked/attacks. St. Louis is the most dangerous city in America. But there are boundaries, and they know where the Bosnians are, and we know where they are. Not too long ago, a elderly Bosnian woman was coming out of a store, and she was attacked by three black kids, who shot at her with BB guns. She was hit over 100 times.

[Cihangir]

You don't need to state that you're not a racist. Afro-Americans are generally trouble. There are factors for that yes but why don't Bosnians go crazy? Black people are seemingly more tend to be aggressive and violent. So this is not racism.. Lol

[Sema]

Well, most Bosnians will retaliate. A couple of months ago, 13 or so Bosnians, between the ages of 16 and 18, in high school fought a bunch of black kids. All of them were expelled, and some were arrested for using dangerous weapons.....Crowbars, knives, and rocks even, heh. Two of my cousins were involed, gladly neither was hurt, but they were both kicked out of school.

[Cihangir]

America really is bad for the self. Lol
Get the hell out and run for ye lives!

[Pr0s]

Well, most Bosnians will retaliate. A couple of months ago, 13 or so Bosnians, between the ages of 16 and 18, in high school fought a bunch of black kids. All of them were expelled, and some were arrested for using dangerous weapons.....Crowbars, knives, and rocks even, heh. Two of my cousins were involed, gladly neither was hurt, but they were both kicked out of school.

Rocks hmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder where else we used rocks (Serbia 0'5) lol anyways we have that down here in VA too. A bunch of bosnians and blacks fought, but they weren't caught. Btw Sema, you hear about a tournament that is held in VA every year or no?

[Sema]

Everyone knows it's not peachy here, but you can't just pack up and leave, lol.

I moved away from St. Louis to get away from all the violence.

[Sema]

Rocks hmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder where else we used rocks (Serbia 0'5) lol anyways we have that down here in VA too. A bunch of bosnians and blacks fought, but they weren't caught. Btw Sema, you hear about a tournament that is held in VA every year or no?

Nope, not in VA...But theres tournaments around here.

[Pr0s]

^Really, because we get bosnians from Atlanta, PA, New York, and all around VA for the trny.

[Sema]

Oo.

Well, We're getting way off topic here.

[Pr0s]

Bosnians tend to do that. :P

[Ero]

(crazy long post about bogomils, calling me a nazi insulting me ect) :D

Thats great. Most Bogomils are todays Bosniaks. Yes but what about all the Catholic and Orthodox people that converted? they call themselves Bosniaks today just like the Bogomils who may have converted to Catholicism call themselves Croats. Thats what i'm saying your not ALL decendents of the Bogomils! many of you have Croat and/or Serb blood.

Dont call the Ustase nazi's! we've had this argument 100's of times :lol: ... First of all the Ustasa movement began in 1929 (before the nazi's). Pavelic was married to a jewish wife, Kvaternik was part jewish and many high ranking Ustase were married to or were part jews themselves. Yes some Ustase embraced nazism just like a lot of europeans did but most joined them to fight for their homeland and so that their children can grow up in a free Croatia (just like the Croats did in the 90's). Partizan and Serb propaganda gave us the nazi label and murderers label. 1.2 million serbs lived in NDH and people actually believe 800 000-1 000 000 were killed :faint2: how can that many serbs get killed and their population in Croatia and BiH actually increase after the war while the Croat population decreased by more then 10%. They did that to cover up what the Cetnici did to us during the war and what the partizani did to us after it. That is truly the sickest part of the regions history and how it was covered up. Neka pociva u miru...

RIP to all the innocents that died in the 91-95 war not just the Bosniaks. :sad:

Oh and what about "Herceg-Bosno zemljo naša uvijek bila si
za dušmane za dušmane trn u oku si!" is Ustasa and provocative? Its okay for Bosniaks to call BiH theirs in their sigs but not okay when i call the Croatian part of the country ours? :boo:

[Saraj Fanático]

I don't live there now, but that kind of stuff never makes the news. I am not a racist, but it is the blacks who cause the most trouble around St. Louis. EVERY morning, someone has been killed, and 95% of the time, the suspect is black.

The attacks on Bosnians are also true, but everyone gets attacked/attacks. St. Louis is the most dangerous city in America. But there are boundaries, and they know where the Bosnians are, and we know where they are. Not too long ago, a elderly Bosnian woman was coming out of a store, and she was attacked by three black kids, who shot at her with BB guns. She was hit over 100 times.

I read a story which happened maybe 3 months ago where this Young Bosnian Woman was kidnapped by some Black guy and she was raped. However the Suspect was caught shortly after.

I didn't know St Louis has it really that bad but it sounds like the Comption of the common days.

[Saraj Fanático]

Thats great. Most Bogomils are todays Bosniaks. Yes but what about all the Catholic and Orthodox people that converted? they call themselves Bosniaks today just like the Bogomils who may have converted to Catholicism call themselves Croats. Thats what i'm saying your not ALL decendents of the Bogomils! many of you have Croat and/or Serb blood.

Yeah I highly doubt a big amount converted. Also, lets not forget the fact that there was records of Turks having children with the South Slavic people after they moved on in. So god knows if you, I, or a Serb have Turkish blood. You do know that turks conquered nearly the entire balkans right? And who knows if you have our blood and I have yours? Yes its all a mix up but all I am saying is that was a certain group (Majority of the Converted) which were the Bogumils who choose to convert. Now what pisses me off is that many Serbs and Croats only consider the possibility of Bosniaks carrying Serb, Croat and Turkish blood when they can be currently be carrying ours and Turkish blood also. Now what you did is completely wrong, you are calling us traitors because what, maybe a 15% maximum converted with the Bogumils to Islam from your people? I mean looking at the rate of people converting in this world I doubt its a high number. That would be like me calling Croats as Bosniaks or Turks and linking them to our history when really there is no way to determine if 1/5 of the entire population shares that similarity which I am pretty sure it doesn't. So your basically making it look like its the majority when it clearly isn't. Most Bosniaks were indeed Bogumils and the ones who aren't shouldn't be considered Bosniak since they don't share the common struggle but how do we know that? All our people have a certain percentage of those who are not purely Croat, Serb or Bosniak.

We are all South Slavic and we all have our chances of sharing the same blood with others since our history seems to rotate heavily on Converting and religion period.

But at least you do admit that there are people on all sides that/might share common blood.

Dont call the Ustase nazi's! we've had this argument 100's of times :lol: ... First of all the Ustasa movement began in 1929 (before the nazi's). Pavelic was married to a jewish wife, Kvaternik was part jewish and many high ranking Ustase were married to or were part jews themselves. Yes some Ustase embraced nazism just like a lot of europeans did but most joined them to fight for their homeland and so that their children can grow up in a free Croatia (just like the Croats did in the 90's). Partizan and Serb propaganda gave us the nazi label and murderers label. 1.2 million serbs lived in NDH and people actually believe 800 000-1 000 000 were killed :faint2: how can that many serbs get killed and their population in Croatia and BiH actually increase after the war while the Croat population decreased by more then 10%. They did that to cover up what the Cetnici did to us during the war and what the partizani did to us after it. That is truly the sickest part of the regions history and how it was covered up. Neka pociva u miru...

I do agree that 800,000-1,000,000 seems something like bullshit but there were atrocities going on. Such as Concentration camp murders in Jasenovac and Stara Gradiska also there are photos, documents etc..

I am not a professor when it comes to Ustasas and their history but from what I read and know they wanted to create an Independent Croatian state. And soon they embraced Nazism. Many did. Even today we see the Ustasas doing Hitler solutes at Thompson concerts and in some other cases. Nazism plays a important part of the history of the Ustasas and we cannot ignore that. Now I know that perhaps your leaning more to the Patriot way of the Ustasas (During the times of its creation) and not the fascist views but its still very provocative to Serbs. Its like a Serb member calling himself a Chetnik but he means to only lean toward the days of Chetniks fighting and opposing Communist partisan resistance, but we all know that the Chetniks went on to commit genocide on Croats and Bosniaks and other actions. So Bosniaks and Croats might have a problem with that. Thats the same case.

RIP to all the innocents that died in the 91-95 war not just the Bosniaks. :sad:

Thats all you had to say and you said it well, not just Bosniaks.


Oh and what about "Herceg-Bosno zemljo naša uvijek bila si
za dušmane za dušmane trn u oku si!" is Ustasa and provocative? Its okay for Bosniaks to call BiH theirs in their sigs but not okay when i call the Croatian part of the country ours? :boo:

No I was mainly talking about your older signatures. And Bosniaks here are calling BiH theirs? Am sorry but I am all for a Bosniak, Bosnian Croat, Bosnian Serb nation called Bosna i Hercegovina, not just a Bosniak one. And all the members I came to know here who are Bosniak say the same thing. Also, thinking of a Bosniak BiH is impossible. Just like thinking of a All-Croatian Hercegovina is impossible.

[Sema]

I read a story which happened maybe 3 months ago where this Young Bosnian Woman was kidnapped by some Black guy and she was raped. However the Suspect was caught shortly after.


I didn't hear about that, but I don't doubt that it did happen.

I didn't know St Louis has it really that bad but it sounds like the Comption of the common days.

Well, according to last year's statistics in murders, rapings, and any attacks in general, St. Louis was top on the list. Followed by Detroit. Compton was 6th.

[poutismalakas]

lol yeah Metallica was stopped at the airport in London because he had a beard. And which people mainly have beards? Muslims. I rest my case.

War on terrorism doesn't exist because if it did, Terrorists wouldn't be leading such a war in the first place.

Also my old mans best friend had some trouble at the Airport when traveling from New York to Sarajevo for having the last name Muharemovic just two weeks ago.
Well I hope you know that the VAST majority of people who have done sucide bombings in the US and Europe WERE Muslims! Hench the reason why people are profiling Muslims!:rolleyes:

I call James Hetfield's detention a shitty attempt to be impartial! Hatfield is widely known person in Rock! :rolleyes:

[Cihangir]

Ah cmon that is horribly reckless of you!

[Cihangir]

Don't you realize this could as well be a violation of human rights?
USA is a country who promotes the violation of human rights and that should help you.

[poutismalakas]

Don't you realize this could as well be a violation of human rights?
USA is a country who promotes the violation of human rights and that should help you.
Look when the OK. bonbings happened the US was looking at Milltias and White Power groups!! That ok since it was "White People" now that Madrid, London Scotland and 911 happened please tell me who was accused? I took my father to the LAX last week and they checked him out! He is Greek! They look at EVERYONE now!!! Hence the reason they avoid socalled human rights violations;)

[Saraj Fanático]

Well I hope you know that the VAST majority of people who have done sucide bombings in the US and Europe WERE Muslims! Hench the reason why people are profiling Muslims!:rolleyes:

I call James Hetfield's detention a shitty attempt to be impartial! Hatfield is widely known person in Rock! :rolleyes:


And because its mainly Muslims you have to see every single man with a beard as a Terrorist? Wow Democracy in action! They even question kids who are not even adults yet. One of my relatives said he saw these men take a entire Muslim family out of an airplane once they landed in San Francisco.

Yeah go ahead and support the War on Islam but when you see the same people who are questioned almost everywhere they try to travel burning American and British flags please, just please don't blame Islam for it. Blame your ways of handling the situation. Non Muslims created all of this in the first place.

Also, the majority of todays Terrorists are Non Muslim.

[Cihangir]

And because its mainly Muslims you have to see every single man with a beard as a Terrorist? Wow Democracy in action! They even question kids who are not even adults yet. One of my relatives said he saw these men take a entire Muslim family out of an airplane once they landed in San Francisco.

Yeah go ahead and support the War on Islam but when you see the same people who are questioned almost everywhere they try to travel burning American and British flags please, just please don't blame Islam for it. Blame your ways of handling the situation. Non Muslims created all of this in the first place.

Also, the majority of todays Terrorists are Non Muslim.

Well the injustice of USA is for everybody, even for it's own citizens but being Muslim is a disadvantage in that sense because ultimately you are "the other".

[Ero]

My sister came back from her vacation in Croatia a few weeks ago and they checked her bags asked a bunch of questions and all that and she looks nothing like someone from the middle east and was wearing the cross on her necklace... they check everyone not just people with beards or only muslims!

(this was at a Canadian airport i'm sure its the same way in the USA)

[poutismalakas]

My sister came back from her vacation in Croatia a few weeks ago and they checked her bags asked a bunch of questions and all that and she looks nothing like someone from the middle east and was wearing the cross on her necklace... they check everyone not just people with beards or only muslims!

(this was at a Canadian airport i'm sure its the same way in the USA)
Ignore him it makes him sleep better at night that he believes the BULLSHIT propaganda that his religion is somehow persequeted!!:rolleyes:

[el Turco]

Oh. come on poutis.

Many American people think all of the Muslims are terrorist. Once, one kid said "No Muhammads should be allowed to this country" to an Arabic kid named Muhammad. Last week I was walking on a street in Paterson, and there was a woman with hijab walking on the sideway, and one guy from the bus yelled "Go back to your country, you terrorist!". This is how a lot of Americans think. This is how they want them to think. And dont call this bullshit or anything. I live in US. My name is Ahmet, and some people look at me like im an alien after hearing my name.

I once had a Jewish substitute teacher in my high school. He was a survivor of concentration camps. And you know what he said to our class. That Jewish guy said, people in USA are thinking the same way about Muslims as Nazis used to think about the Jews back then.

Also, do you remember flying imams controversy? Four imams were pulled off from an airplane, because they were praying in the plane. Yes, some passenger suspected "terrorist-like activity" and informed the flight attendant who called the police. Police came in and arrested those four imams. And those four imams were some the most famous ones that talked about peace and nonviolence.

One last thing, Islam does NOT promote violence.

[Saraj Fanático]

Ignore him it makes him sleep better at night that he believes the BULLSHIT propaganda that his religion is somehow persequeted!!:rolleyes:


Oh sure! Yeah the Americans are never guilty of anything! I mean who are we to say Americans would ever persecute any peoples! That would be insane!

Lets take a little trip back in time.

Do you remember that Sniper who killed several people in Pennsylvania I believe? It was two Black American males? Well guess what, once he was caught he is somehow made out to be a Muslim! They off course changed his name and said he converted. But whats funny is that in an interview with a Police official they asked for his name and the guy started laughing! :lol: :lol:

Next up, Some Americans today believe that there is an chance that Muslim men had involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing! I saw an entire documentary on that! About some Al Qaeda and Nazi connection in the attack. BULLSHIT.
I have more BS US lies to share with you if you wish...

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/okc-overview.html
http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/217479.htm




I think the only Bullshit thing here is Your Government and your ways of Democracy. Your War on terror has created more Terrorists then it has actually killed. The world is all on the same page when it says that of all nations the US shouldn't be the one pointing fingers at who is the terrorist! Especially the US medias!

[Sarajbahçe]

fc sarajevo
it is clearly a war against us
what cant kill us, can certainly only make us stronger ;)

and p.s. who are we to say american blood is more valuable than iraqi or afghan blood
when a bomb is bombed and innocent children die, thats ok thats heroic..
but when americans die, the world comes to an end because its a sad event
we cant judge that, who are we to judge
both are living human beings and both deserve a chance in this life to live.. none should die
there is too much propaganda these days

[Ero]

exactly i would die to have a greater bosnia
because there has been more problems and politics after the war than before
even during war we were looking better
im not a balija, dont call me that
its like me calling you cetnik
and yes i believe that it should be mostly muslim, we fought for this land to keep it BiH instead of getting taken over to a greater serbia
and yes 1 day rs will split up and what will you have???
all cetniks can go back to serbia and dream of how they once lived in rs
i dont mind if serbs or croats live in bosnia just as bosnians live in serbia and croatia but if you are going to give me crazy stories of rs joining greater serbia then you can just leave now because there is no way in hell that rs will ever split...
like i said i am not racist but what the ***k do you want man
you wanna kill us all muslims and take our land
then you are a true cetnik
i will protect this country i love dearly and sure as hell wont let some cetniks make it theirs
bosnia forever ours
rs all it has ever done has made problems for us
but i dont mind serbs living there, i just dislike the whole fact of cetnikism and rs in bosnia

The only way to make political and ethnic problems in BiH go away would be the break up of the country. Honestly the ONLY way. We saw it in Yugoslavia and BiH today looks a lot like it. Tito said the same things like Croatia will never be independent ect and look what happened. You want the Cetniks and Ustase out of "your" country then let us make our own and break off instead of being in a greater muslim Bosnia (as you want it to be :rolleyes:). Why cant Croatian parts join Croatia and Serb parts join Serbia? Bosniaks should mind their own business and stay out of ours.

"We fought for this land to keep it BiH"

No you fought for the Bosniak parts. Keep the parts Bosniaks defended and dont claim the land Croats and Serbs defended! I dont remeber any Bosniaks protecting Kupres, Grude, Ljubuski, Tomislavgrad ect or land where Serbs lived. Your people defended the land where your people lived just as we defended the land where our people were. And thats the land we claim.

"bosnia forever ours"

by ours you mean Bosniaks? :mad2: i hate when Bosniaks make it seem like Croats and Serbs showed up one day a few years ago in their country. NO its been over a thousand years we've lived there longer then Bosniaks have :D :lol:. I'm all for "Sve do drine" but i know that will never happen but "Sve do Kiseljak" (or atleast the Neretva) can happen :) .

This is for all Bosniaks:

Tell me how Bosnia and Hercegovina is more yours then mine (if you think it is... if you dont then :yo: to you)

[Saraj Fanático]

The only way to make political and ethnic problems in BiH go away would be the break up of the country. Honestly the ONLY way. We saw it in Yugoslavia and BiH today looks a lot like it. Tito said the same things like Croatia will never be independent ect and look what happened. You want the Cetniks and Ustase out of "your" country then let us make our own and break off instead of being in a greater muslim Bosnia (as you want it to be :rolleyes:). Why cant Croatian parts join Croatia and Serb parts join Serbia? Bosniaks should mind their own business and stay out of ours.

WHO IN GODS NAME IS SAYING WE WANT A MUSLIM BOSNIA!! So just because we hate Ustasas and Chetniks we want an Muslim Bosnia? :lol: Why can't Croatian parts join Croatia and Serbian parts join Serbia? Because there is no way that will ever happen only if you are willing to go through a war again. Listen, HERZEGOVINA IS A UNITED NATION WITH UPPER BOSNIA! THAT WILL NEVER EVER EVER CHANGE! EVER! Republika Srpska has a bigger chance of becoming the next united States then splitting from BiH. :lol:

"We fought for this land to keep it BiH"

No you fought for the Bosniak parts. Keep the parts Bosniaks defended and dont claim the land Croats and Serbs defended! I dont remeber any Bosniaks protecting Kupres, Grude, Ljubuski, Tomislavgrad ect or land where Serbs lived. Your people defended the land where your people lived just as we defended the land where our people were. And thats the land we claim.

"bosnia forever ours"

by ours you mean Bosniaks? :mad2: i hate when Bosniaks make it seem like Croats and Serbs showed up one day a few years ago in their country. NO its been over a thousand years we've lived there longer then Bosniaks have :D :lol:. I'm all for "Sve do drine" but i know that will never happen but "Sve do Kiseljak" (or atleast the Neretva) can happen :) .

And we have been living in the territory first then both of you! :lol:

"The earliest cultural and linguistic roots of Bosniak history, however, can be traced back to the Migration Period of the Early Middle Ages. It was then that the Slavs, a people from northeastern Europe, invaded the Eastern Roman Empire with their Avar overlords and settled in modern-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and the surrounding lands. The Serbs and Croats came in a second wave, invited by Emperor Heraclius to drive the Avars from Dalmatia. "

-Wikipedia

Lived longer on the land then Bosniaks huh? :lol:

Dear god you are such a silly person. Such a damn silly person. Do not ever claim that the Ustasi defended some of the cities you claim today. You tell us not to claim any of the cities you defended but why the hell are you claiming Mostar! :lol: All you have done is destroy it. I want to ask you once again, who is responsible for the Stari most bombardment? Who destroyed that bridge? It was you. Why? Because you didn't give a crap for Mostar. You were willing to destroy the very symbol of the city. Why? Why would you want to destroy such a beautiful piece of the History of the city? So please don't ever claim you guys defended Mostar and stood by it when your actions can be seen on the marks made on nearly every building and place in the city. Sure both sides fired shells and bullets but why would the defenders of that land (Which you claim to be) destroy the symbol of it? Tells a lot of love now don't it? And now your saying to take half if not all of Mostar and give it to Croatia which didn't even have you or the city itself in mind during Wartime? I am sorry to spoil this for you but we would rather die then ever see someone who barely did crap to defend that city be awarded with it. Not gonna happen. :smoking: So if you want to play that game, don't ever claim Mostar again.


Oh and Croatia as a nation doesn't give a rats ass for Mostar.. :lol: Only the Herceg-Bosna dreamers here and there.


This is for all Bosniaks:

Tell me how Bosnia and Hercegovina is more yours then mine (if you think it is... if you dont then :yo: to you)


NOBODY IS CLAIMING THAT HERE!!! You are just making idiotic things up! You are one of the few people who sees Bosnians as being purely Muslim. When we say 'Nasa BiH' we mean for all ethnic groups who consider themselfs Bosnians and not foreigners!

[Cihangir]

WHO IN GODS NAME IS SAYING WE WANT A MUSLIM BOSNIA!! So just because we hate Ustasas and Chetniks we want an Muslim Bosnia?

Heh, true. Ottomans would do that if they wanted to, right?
That's what those terrorist organizations make people feel. Their patriotism fascinates the poor minds.

[Sarajbahçe]

The only way to make political and ethnic problems in BiH go away would be the break up of the