Cold War mark II??

[Gavmundo]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Moscow is preparing to take retaliatory measures if the US builds missile defence systems in Europe.
He described as non-existent the threat from Iran that Washington says the new system is designed to counter, suggesting it might be aimed at Russia.

Last week, Russia said it had tested a ballistic missile to maintain "strategic balance" in the world.

The US says the system, to be placed in eastern Europe, is not aimed at Russia.

Washington wants to deploy interceptor rockets in Poland and a radar base in the Czech Republic to counter what it describes as a potential threat from "rogue states" such as Iran and North Korea.

'Not our fault'

Mr Putin made his comments in an interview with foreign reporters ahead of the G8 meeting that starts in Germany on Wednesday.

US President George W Bush is due to meet him at the three-day summit in the resort of Heiligendamm.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Moscow says if Mr Putin's words are anything to go by the summit is likely to be stormy.


Mr Putin said he hoped US officials would change their minds about the missile defence plan.

"If this doesn't happen, then we disclaim responsibility for our retaliatory steps, because it is not we who are the initiators of the new arms race which is undoubtedly brewing in Europe," he said.


See map of US missile defence bases
Mr Putin said neither Iran nor North Korea had the weapons that the system was intended to shoot down.

"We are being told the anti-missile defence system is targeted against something that does not exist. Doesn't it seem funny to you?" he asked.

Meanwhile top Iranian security official Ali Larijani described the planned deployment as the "joke of the year", adding that Iranian missiles were not capable of reaching Europe.

'New targets'

Mr Putin said a new arms race would be the fault of the US.

He said Washington had "altered the strategic balance" by unilaterally pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) treaty in 2002.

"If the American nuclear potential grows in European territory, we will have to have new targets in Europe," Mr Putin said.

"It is up to our military to define these targets, in addition to defining the choice between ballistic and cruise missiles."

Last Tuesday, Russia tested an RS-24 missile that successfully struck its target 5,500km (3,400 miles) away.

It was designed to evade missile defence systems, Russia's defence ministry said.

Mr Putin went on to accuse the West of hypocrisy in criticising Russia's human rights record.

He said the US was the main violator of freedoms and human rights around the world and that France, Germany and Britain had problems of their own.

Finally he accused Britain of foolishness in trying to extradite former KGB officer Andrei Lugovoi for the murder of Alexander Litvinenko, another former KGB agent and a critic of Mr Putin.

[Gavmundo]

Ok it's a few days since I first posted that (the thread was awaiting approval). Seems that there might be a possible concession with Russia agreeing they might be prepared for a Azerbaijan. Of course that was a former Soviet Republic and closer in ties to Russia than Poland where Bush wants the missiles. Interesting Rhetoric.

[SiN]

This is a very tense moment. Anything can happen and many people were afraid that one of these super power (either Russia or China) were going to go haywire against the US and do something drastic.

I hope nothing happens and that the two parties find a peaceful solution or else we will see more bloodshed and unneccsary violence.

[Gavmundo]

I doubt anything drastic will happen. The superpowers know that no one could afford the consequences of a third world war. It's just sabre rattling at the moment and don't expect it to escalate. It will be interesting to watch though. Neither country will want to lose face politically.

[SiN]

I agree, and i hope your are right!

Its interesting to watch America reacting to events that only have significance to them. Other events dont mean a thing to them.

[Gavmundo]

Its interesting to watch America reacting to events that only have significance to them. Other events dont mean a thing to them.

As it should be in world politics :lol:

[Bosnian Unit]

I said while ago, final showdown will be against Russia.

Whatever is going on right now is just small training, wich USA is losing anyways, but showdown with Russia will go nuclear:sad: .

As someone said before, i dont know how we will fight WWIII, but WW4 will be fought with bow's and arrows !

[shevafan]

nothing will happen. US will probably wait till putin's presidency ends and then will put the missile defences. i still dont understand why putin isnt allowing them. maybe its because he then will be pretty much powerless from his nuclear armforce? US said that these defeses are from potential attacks from Iran which they probably are. there has been a proposition from the russians to set these defenses in azerbaijan.
putin is abig bullshitter though. he is basically lying straight in everyone's face with his accusations and his statements. too bad the russian people are too stupid to understand this and are so easily influenced by the russian propaganda.

[Bosanac]

If it comes to war, I'm moving to Canada :)

[Milos_]

Canada>>>>>>>USA in every way.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=FT&Date=20070608&ID=7013265

Go Putin Go!:)

[ARBANITAI]

Canada>>>>>>>USA in every way.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=FT&Date=20070608&ID=7013265

Go Putin Go!:)

He is not doing that, because he is really giving a shit for Serbia that much, instead of them selfes, russia is using their "veto" now as an example to the world and europe, to tell the still "Importance" of Russia in the world conflicts/solutions, russia is the last one to mind about Kosovo, because russia was not part in rebuilidng peace or finding solutions for kosova, as other european countries did, now with ahtisari plan which is supported by most all western europe countries, middle east south asians and the US.. russia cannot stop the whole procces alone.

the independence of Kosova is unstoppable.

And that is the only way for peace and stability in Balcans!! Serbs must know it!

[boris4c]

Why couldn't Russia stop the process alone if all they have to do is use their veto, China also made it public that they disagree with the plan, which makes 3 vs 2 among the countries that can use a veto, this isn't a very convincing ratio. Kosovo is the major problem in Europe right now, and it cannot be resolved by a simple plan like Ahtisaari's. It will take time and rational thinking. If we REALLY want peace in the Balkans, Kosovo has to go but Republika Srpska has to join Serbia, and probably even Herzegovina to join Croatia. Evidently, the USA don't give a ***k about the Balkans or peace in it, because if they did those things would already be done. The only reason the Americans want Kosovo's independance is to have a valid reason to have built their military bases in Kosovo. This whole situation is creating a lot of tension between the USA and Russia and yes, a Cold War could well be on the way.

[ARBANITAI]

The ahtisaari plan is supported world wide dude, or lets's say the majority of countries supports it, its only Russia and Serbia who let'se strongly disagree with it, and other serbias allies who i would mention(Greece) perhaps. and its not because they dont think the ahtisaari plans brings peace, but because their doing it for serbia's sake..
China doesnt know what to vote yet ?! but i'm sure if they do enough recearch on kosovo issue, they will for surely be pro the plan, because honestly a Kosova under Serbian rule again, does just not work, and cannot be imagined by Kosovars!!!

The Us and European countries knows as well that when even MONTENEGRO could not stay with Serbia, How in earth then will Kosova Albanians do ??????

besides the US and many european countries has as well made it public that IF the goverment of Kosova declares its independence they will all recognize it one by one !

Now will russia go to war with kosova because they wanted to live in an independent state, the Serbian minority enjoys all their rights, Kosova will be one of the very few states in the world that will give its full 120 % rights to the minorities!!! absolutely!

[boris4c]

Montenegro is a country inhabited by 15-20% Albanians or ethnic Muslims which deeply explains why they voted for independance, which was won by 0.4%. The whole process was led by Djukanovic, Milosevic's best friend. The EU doesn't care about Montenegro, they could've stayed with Serbia and there was no problem with that. The funny thing is that before the referendum G17 (a party in Serbia) made a vote concerning the referendum and 92% of Serbians say they would rather see Montenegro separate. But what you say about Montenegro "not being able to stay with Serbia" is obviously pure bullshit.

China HAS declared "No" to Ahtisaari's plan, this is a fact that you should verify. The government of Kosovo can declare independance whenever they want by the Russian veto will stop it, wether we like it or not. Who are the USA to even decide about such things as a country's sovereignty. Furthermore, UN Resolution 1244 states that Serbia's borders will not be modified in any manner, making Kosovo independant would be against UN rules, which once again proves what a hypocrite the West is.

Russia, more than ever, is prepared to challenge the Americans and I am not saying that he cares about Serbia that much. In fact Russia cares about Serbia just as much as the West cares about Albania, but both want to prove something.

A compromise is the only true resolution, if, like you say, we want peace in the Balkans.

[ARBANITAI]

If we REALLY want peace in the Balkans, Kosovo has to go but Republika Srpska has to join Serbia, and probably even Herzegovina to join Croatia.

lol so do you want, huge border changings in balcan countries just because of Kosovas independence, Kosova deserves its independence just like any other x yugoslav republic did. besides europe doesnt allow such things, since if we go after that, then the western part of macedonia and the southern part of montenegro should join Albania because they are Albanian majority there, and hell then Kosova as well....

But kosova is not allowed to join Albania, and if their not allowed to do that, then they should either stay with Serbia, they proclaim they can make it on their own, lets'see if their right i think they can and they will be. ;)

[boris4c]

Kosovo is not a republic :)

[ARBANITAI]

Montenegro is a country inhabited by 15-20% Albanians or ethnic Muslims which deeply explains why they voted for independance, which was won by 0.4%. The whole process was led by Djukanovic, Milosevic's best friend. The EU doesn't care about Montenegro, they could've stayed with Serbia and there was no problem with that. The funny thing is that before the referendum G17 (a party in Serbia) made a vote concerning the referendum and 92% of Serbians say they would rather see Montenegro separate. But what you say about Montenegro "not being able to stay with Serbia" is obviously pure bullshit.

China HAS declared "No" to Ahtisaari's plan, this is a fact that you should verify. The government of Kosovo can declare independance whenever they want by the Russian veto will stop it, wether we like it or not. Who are the USA to even decide about such things as a country's sovereignty. Furthermore, UN Resolution 1244 states that Serbia's borders will not be modified in any manner, making Kosovo independant would be against UN rules, which once again proves what a hypocrite the West is.

Russia, more than ever, is prepared to challenge the Americans and I am not saying that he cares about Serbia that much. In fact Russia cares about Serbia just as much as the West cares about Albania, but both want to prove something.


And who is Russia to force one for not beeing independent ?!

the serbs and Kosovars cannot find compromise witheachother, serbs wants kosova, Kosovars wants independence!!! what resolution/compromise do you see here ?

in the other hand, Kosova deserves to Kosovars, because it is them who are inhabitting Kosovo and not the serbs, why would serbia hold a land who isnt serbian inhabitted at all! are you aware that only 5% of kosova is serbian inhabited (maybe less). honestly this is not fair if kosova again would be under serbia. thats why majority thinks they have to be independent country!

Russia and Serbia are not beeing reasonable at all for saying No to the plan!
But again the majority are pro, unless Russia who publicly said they will use veto just some days ago, I have not heard or read any where that China said that too maybe you can give me that link so i can see that too..

[ARBANITAI]

Kosovo is not a republic :)

that is something the former Yugoslavian state denied time after time before, later then the serbs did, and during milosevic regime kosova didnt even had the name of the "autonomous province" anymore as he thought he made it all Serbia, so the issue couldnt be proclaimed to the world properly because of the opression.

but that doesn't matter much now, what happend that time, since the independence is the main and best resolution for peace and stability now.
of course according to majority!

[ARBANITAI]

I'm afraid we turned a bit out of topic, but i hope that was'nt so bad.:smoking:

[())__Green__))>]

no offence but serbia wants too much
they want bosnia... they couldnt have it
they want croatia, they couldnt have it
wtf do you want, do you want the whole world too
its not your land
and kosova is governed by kosovars and not serbs
they are not even in kosova
they are just outside the border saying that kosova is their land
its like a long distance relationship... it just doesnt work

[boris4c]

I'm afraid we turned a bit out of topic, but i hope that was'nt so bad.:smoking:
lol.

To conclude, Russia is not anyone to say someone cannot be independant but it is simply respecting UN Resolutions and established laws.

Look at Quebec in Canada, an all-French and Catholic population, and still it is a part of Canada. If we were all to say that the majority in a certain region of a country should separate there would be 10,000 countries in the world.

[boris4c]

no offence but serbia wants too much
they want bosnia... they couldnt have it
they want croatia, they couldnt have it
wtf do you want, do you want the whole world too
its not your land
and kosova is governed by kosovars and not serbs
they are not even in kosova
they are just outside the border saying that kosova is their land
its like a long distance relationship... it just doesnt work
The problem is Serbs don't want Croatia nor Bosnia, but just the parts where Serbs live/used to live. Tell me what difference is there between Republika Srpska and Kosovo.

RS is governed by Serbs and not anybody else, as you say.
Serbs inhabit that region.
The habitants feel they want to separate.
Therefore, RS should be an independant country?

[())__Green__))>]

^ no
because its bosnian land
no matter how much you will try
you wont split because its bosnian land
so what about the bosniaks that lived in the republika srpska region
where are they in this they got kicked out so how is that fair
i really hope republika srpska breaks up
see i dont mind serbs
just the ones i dislike are cetniks and the ones that burn bosnian flags in my city and republika srpska
well ***k if you dont like bosna then just leave because splitting with us will never happen
i know serbs lived before in bosnia ok
but a least break republika srpska so we all live together thats better than republika srpska
but dont for one second think that bosnia-republika srpska and quebec is the same
quebec is just with canada but republika srpska was earned by war, genocide, killings so what you're saying is that is ok to kill others for land
so hitler can kill people and take over land and why is there no republika njemacka in other countries
its the same thing, was earned by killing
thats called war crimes

[Gavmundo]

Why do all political threads get hijacked by the Balkans clans?? :lol:

[Gavmundo]

nothing will happen. US will probably wait till putin's presidency ends and then will put the missile defences. i still dont understand why putin isnt allowing them. maybe its because he then will be pretty much powerless from his nuclear armforce? US said that these defeses are from potential attacks from Iran which they probably are. there has been a proposition from the russians to set these defenses in azerbaijan.
putin is abig bullshitter though. he is basically lying straight in everyone's face with his accusations and his statements. too bad the russian people are too stupid to understand this and are so easily influenced by the russian propaganda.


Well it's not a case of not allowing them. He can't stop the U.S from building them but can create a political crisis out of it. I doubt very much that the U.S. would agree to azerbaijan so a compromise will have to be reached. Russia wouldn't be happy with anything the U.S did in Poland due to the fact the Poland was a Soviet member state. The U.S. are getting more and more influence in the old Soviet countries and Russia has less and less influence. Not something Russia as a political power appreciates methinks. As I say it will be interesting to watch but there will be no U.S - Russian war. That would be endgame!

[ARBANITAI]

Kosovo is not a republic :)

the president bush has just re-confirmed again in his Visit to Albania that his country is for Kosova Independence, and that there is no way out! :smoking:

Now that we have US on our side, it aint that worried anymore.. :smoking:

[Centarfor9]

Now that we have US on our side, it aint that worried anymore.. :smoking:
join the club :D

[Bigpappys_gun]

and to think that all serbs and greeks voted from him

[ARBANITAI]

join the club :D

What club ?! :rolleyes:

[poutismalakas]

the president bush has just re-confirmed again in his Visit to Albania that his country is for Kosova Independence, and that there is no way out! :smoking:

Now that we have US on our side, it aint that worried anymore.. :smoking:
NOT after one of you stole his watch!!!!

Please watch this video from 00:50 to 01:10.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo

[Sema]

HAHA Someone did take his watch! LMAO

[Centarfor9]

NOT after one of you stole his watch!!!!

Please watch this video from 00:50 to 01:10.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo
damn people seem to like that guy over there

[ARBANITAI]

NOT after one of you stole his watch!!!!

Please watch this video from 00:50 to 01:10.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo

Oh Dork!!! :rolleyes: :lol:

I dont think this will work out for you poutis, at least i first hear that from you, even though i think this is just a rumour, he may lost his watch by him self, or another thief must stole that, because there are thiefs everywhere but in no way you can generlize, bush had the warmest welcome in Albania ppl were cheering him and shaking hands with him all the time, now i just dont believe in such bullshit as they want to stole from him ?? probably another gipsy idiot might have done that!!!

[ARBANITAI]

HAHA Someone did take his watch! LMAO


dude this is not the way to generlize ! you can find thiefes everywhere ! again i doubt the theif was an albanian, Bush visits the village of Fush-kruja the village has a big gipsy community...

[poutismalakas]

damn people seem to like that guy over there
NO it is just that G.W. Bush had a REAL expensive watch on!!! :D

[Centarfor9]

dude this is not the way to generlize ! you can find thiefes everywhere ! again i doubt the theif was an albanian, Bush visits the village of Fush-kruja the village has a big gipsy community...
:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

and? wtf you trying to say?

[poutismalakas]

Oh Dork!!! :rolleyes: :lol:

I dont think this will work out for you poutis, at least i first hear that from you, even though i think this is just a rumour, he may lost his watch by him self, or another thief must stole that, because there are thiefs everywhere but in no way you can generlize, bush had the warmest welcome in Albania ppl were cheering him and shaking hands with him all the time, now i just dont believe in such bullshit as they want to stole from him ?? probably another gipsy idiot might have done that!!!

LOOK at the video!!!! He walks out and he he is wearing a watch and at the end of the video he is not! How can he just lose his watch as he is engulfed by those people!:rolleyes:

[poutismalakas]

:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

and? wtf you trying to say?

dude this is not the way to generlize ! you can find thiefes everywhere ! again i doubt the theif was an albanian, Bush visits the village of Fush-kruja the village has a big gipsy community...
hey hecuran..... open mouth and insert foot:lol: :lol: :lol: !!!

[ARBANITAI]

:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

and? wtf you trying to say?
why would albanians stole from him ??? they were all cheering him and the US because of the good relationsships they feel they have witheachother..

in the other hand a gipsy albanian doesn't mind him, his goal was to steal whatever he can, and he can be the one who did, again i havnt heard anything about this yet, at least the albanian media hasnt said anything but im telling the truth that the village has huge gipsy community who usually steal, he can be an albanian too, but watever you cannot say albanians wanted to stole from him because of 1 person!

[ARBANITAI]

NO it is just that G.W. Bush had a REAL expensive watch on!!! :D

poutis i ask to watch your mouth and stop making ass out of it, i know you want to insult etc, but stop generelizing!

i thought you were a mod ?!

[poutismalakas]

why would albanians stole from him ??? they were all cheering him and the US because of the good relationsships they feel they have witheachother..

in the other hand a gipsy albanian doesn't mind him, his goal was to steal whatever he can, and he can be the one who did, again i havnt heard anything about this yet, at least the albanian media hasnt said anything but im telling the truth that the village has huge gipsy community who usually steal, he can be an albanian too, but watever you cannot say albanians wanted to stole from him because of 1 person!
SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: except ithe got his watch stolen by an Albanian! I've never heard of a US president getting his watch stolen until now!!:lol: way to go guys!!!!

[poutismalakas]

poutis i ask to watch your mouth and stop making ass out of it, i know you want to insult etc, but stop generelizing!

i thought you were a mod ?!
hey I didn't say anything as bad as you just said about Gipsys!!!

[ARBANITAI]

LOOK at the video!!!! He walks out and he he is wearing a watch and at the end of the video he is not! How can he just lose his watch as he is engulfed by those people!:rolleyes:

then someone stoled it from him, but what do i care !! you cannot generelize all albanians for that !!! troll !!! ????

[Centarfor9]

why would albanians stole from him ??? they were all cheering him and the US because of the good relationsships they feel they have witheachother..

in the other hand a gipsy albanian doesn't mind him, his goal was to steal whatever he can, and he can be the one who did, again i havnt heard anything about this yet, at least the albanian media hasnt said anything but im telling the truth that the village has huge gipsy community who usually steal, he can be an albanian too, but watever you cannot say albanians wanted to stole from him because of 1 person!
ban? :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

[Sema]

dude this is not the way to generlize ! you can find thiefes everywhere ! again i doubt the theif was an albanian, Bush visits the village of Fush-kruja the village has a big gipsy community...

I'm not generalizing anything. The fact that SOMEONE stole it is funny...I couldn't care less about who stole it, lol.

[poutismalakas]

your just embarassed that after Bush comes over to says he's going to help the Albanians that one of them steals from him! :lol:

[Centarfor9]

then someone stoled it from him, but what do i care !! you cannot generelize all albanians for that !!! troll !!! ????
and you are not generalizing gypsies?

[ARBANITAI]

SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: except ithe got his watch stolen by an Albanian! I've never heard of a US president getting his watch stolen until now!!:lol: way to go guys!!!!
AGAIN, im suprised just as much as you are...

and i can say to you that these things can happen anywhere, but you cannot generlize an whole nation for that! keep in mind that.

[poutismalakas]

where does it say that I am generalising Albanians? You are the only who is generalising Gipsys! ;)

[ARBANITAI]

and you are not generalizing gypsies?

first poutis made a big deal here, by generalizing albanians for that, and i respond that if anyone stoled his watch he most likely would be a roma,
im not generlizin all gispsies for that, only those from fushe-kruja village.

[poutismalakas]

first poutis made a big deal here, by generalizing albanians for that, and i respond that if anyone stoled his watch he most likely would be a roma,
im not generlizin all gispsies for that, only those from fushe-kruja village.

sure I generalise :rolleyes: JUST LOOK AT THE VIDEO HE GOT HIS WATCH SWIPPED! How is that gernalizing???? What you did WAS generalizing!

[ARBANITAI]

hey hecuran..... open mouth and insert foot:lol: :lol: :lol: !!!

I cant believe... so much for your big mouth tonight :rolleyes:

are you even provoking me now ?? go ahead say it... what did i said to you ??
it looks just like a poutis of the old days.. :rolleyes:

[poutismalakas]

roll you eyes ALL you want! It does NOT change the fact that after BUsh was running around promising to help Albanians that one of you steals his watch!!!! :lol: :lol: As I said way to go guys! I bet Bush was all happy that he was getting all those people cheering for him UNTIL he realized that one of them took his watch :lol:

[ARBANITAI]

roll you eyes ALL you want! It does NOT change the fact that after BUsh was running around promising to help Albanians that one of you steals his watch!!!! :lol: :lol: As I said way to go guys! I bet Bush was all happy that he was getting all those people cheering for him UNTIL he realized that one of them took his watch :lol:

No in fact I dont mind at all about bush or his watch :) its just you who is my problem right now! and your bla bla bla hot air posts, because as long as we dont have an official opinion by bush him self personally and what happend there, you can never be so sure in your opinions, and the way your were generlizing at the first posts, tells how smart yur really are, :ronaldo: :boo:

[Centarfor9]

first poutis made a big deal here, by generalizing albanians for that, and i respond that if anyone stoled his watch he most likely would be a roma,
im not generlizin all gispsies for that, only those from fushe-kruja village.
yeah sure why not blame it all on gypsies

how original

you racist :mad2:

[Sema]

As funny as it is that someone stole his watch, I don't understand why. Not like it has much value, especialy after being worn by him.

[ARBANITAI]

yeah sure why not blame it all on gypsies

how original

you racist :mad2:

racist ? No actually i have absolutely nothing against them.. though "racist" is something if you are against a another "race"... however as if i would care because someone took bush's watch ??? comon :lol: this is the last thing i would mind. :)

[boris4c]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, people touching him and petting him hahahaha
and the watch being stolen is funny too lol. wow. Albania is probably the only country in the world where people get too excited about Bush's visit so they have to pet him. Even when he came to Canada there were about 100 black cars that all looked the same and he was in one of them, nobody knew which one, for his security. But, in Albania he has nothing to worry lool.

Tyrant in Tirana

[Centarfor9]

racist ? No actually i have absolutely nothing against them.. though "racist" is something if you are against a another "race"... however as if i would care because someone took bush's watch ??? comon :lol: this is the last thing i would mind. :)
clearly albanioans took the watch and you are blaming it on gypsies

sure you don't care :boo: :boo: :boo:

[poutismalakas]

No in fact I dont mind at all about bush or his watch :) its just you who is my problem right now! and your bla bla bla hot air posts, because as long as we dont have an official opinion by bush him self personally and what happend there, you can never be so sure in your opinions, and the way your were generlizing at the first posts, tells how smart yur really are, :ronaldo: :boo:

first of all I unlike you never said call Albanians thieves! YOu called gipsy's thieves! I said ONE OF YOU!! now when you generalize you say ALL or MOST Albanians are thieves! I said A ALBANIAN stole bush's watch!! THAT IS NOT generalising!!! what you said WAS! Have a nice day! It doesn't change the fact that you are the one who generalised!

[ARBANITAI]

clearly albanioans took the watch and you are blaming it on gypsies

do you have proofs on that?

you seem to be so confident on your opinions btw:p you must show us some proofs too, to base your opinion!

[shevafan]

i dont think bush gives 2 shits about the balkans and neither does putin. bush has his ass in iraq and has problems with iran and putin is too busy setting up the next government after he leaves(u know distributing steel and oil plants to his buddies). i bet after putin leaves he'll be the owner of something like 5 oil plants that are worth billions if he isnt already an owner of some. hell be very politically active though in a financial way.
i also have a theory of a revolution in russia maybe like 1 or 2 years after putin leaves. its very possible.

[poutismalakas]

do you have proofs on that?

you seem to be so confident on your opinions btw:p you must show us some proofs too, to base your opinion!
Well the name of the country IS Albania and that country IS inhabited by Albanians!:rolleyes:

[Panathinaikos2]

NOT after one of you stole his watch!!!!

Please watch this video from 00:50 to 01:10.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjooTypical Albanians :lol: At least show some respect to a person high in power that supports your nation :rolleyes:

[ARBANITAI]

Well the name of the country IS Albania and that country IS inhabited by Albanians!:rolleyes:

WOW reallly ?? r you sure :lol:

so according to your "awesome" logic (lol) 4000.000 million Albanian citizens have to feel responsible because only one of the citizens of Fushe-kruja stole a watch :rolleyes:

Damn man! you know what, I really wished I came out of that pussy that made you so phucking smart :lol: :lol: hahha

[poutismalakas]

WOW reallly ?? r you sure :lol:

so according to your "awesome" logic (lol) 4000.000 million Albanian citizens have to feel responsible because only one of the citizens of Fushe-kruja stole a watch :rolleyes:

Damn man! you know what, I really wished I came out of that pussy that made you so phucking smart :lol: :lol: hahha

The problem is that you are thinking things and putting words in my mouth! My posts are not that hard to understand!?;)

If you want to start insulting my Mother that is ok! because it shows you have no real arguments or replies to me so you have resort to insults!

As I said my post are NOT hard to understand!?

[Panathinaikos2]

If you want to start insulting my Mother that is ok! because it shows you have no real arguments or replies to me so you have resort to insults!
Well what do you expect from an Albanian :D ?

[ARBANITAI]

Typical Albanians :lol: At least show some respect to a person high in power that supports your nation :rolleyes:

carefull with your "Generalizing" there kid, it was one person not a whole country as you discribe, and besides do you have any proofs that he was "Albanian" even in the first spot, or you better learn how to not generelize things like that next time, thats the most important thing for you (im sure) before you even decide to make an opinion.;)

[ARBANITAI]

Well what do you expect from an Albanian :D ?

much less will i expect from a Greek who does not really know how to not generelize ppl like that, because of certain theif the whole country has to feel guilty according to you and your greek friend !!!

[poutismalakas]

much less will i expect from a Greek who does not really know how to not generelize ppl like that, because of certain theif the whole country has to feel guilty according to you and your greek friend !!!
first AGAIN your putting words in my mouth! where does it say that I think the whole Albanian people are to blaim? If you are butt hurt because one of you ripped off the US President then that is your problem! Also no where did I say the ALL Albanians are thieves LIKE you said in regards to gipsys!

Also since that happened in Albanian MORE THAN LIKELY the thief WAS ALBANIAN!;)

[ARBANITAI]

If you want to start insulting my Mother that is ok! because it shows you have no real arguments or replies to me so you have resort to insults!


I'm afraid you were the one who started the so called "funny" insultings towards me at the first time.

Remember....;)

hey hecuran..... open mouth and insert foot:lol: :lol: :lol: !!!

[poutismalakas]

I'm afraid you were the one who started the so called "funny" insultings towards me at the first time.

Remember....;)
I remember BUT YOU DID PUT your foot in your mouth!;) That was NOT A INSULT BUT A FACT!!! ;)

[Panathinaikos2]

much less will i expect from a Greek who does not really know how to not generelize ppl like that, because of certain theif the whole country has to feel guilty according to you and your greek friend !!!Don't make me laugh.... I can tell you many stories of what the Albanians have done in the Greek town of Kastoria alone if you want. So please don't talk to me about generalization...

[ARBANITAI]

Don't make me laugh.... I can tell you many stories of what the Albanians have done in the Greek town of Kastoria alone if you want. So please don't talk to me about generalization...

lol So what in earth are you up to now huh ??? what are talking about now ? hehe tell me... :p

I dont get you (lol) ..honeslty dude sorry but your even more weirder then anynone, at least poutis knows what his talking about :lol:
but oh yeah..

I can as well shows you not stories but videos of greeks wild behavings in Albanian towns or those of in Dk, if you want me to..

(but again pana why are you suddenly changing topics like that, its so funny you jumb from another term to an whole another one for only few seconds lol :ronaldo: :ronaldo: )

are you that "klovn" ? :D you remind me like a commedy movie i have seen just a couple of weeks ago:D

[poutismalakas]

OK OK KEEP IT CLEAN guys!!!!!!!! I just don't want names being thrown out like dirty, gay, thieving, etc... in regards to our peoples!

[Sema]

Lol, such a big fuss over a watch. Who cares :lol:

Right now, I'd imagine Albania is about the only place in the world where Bush will recieve some love :D. Maybe the watch was taken as some sort of collateral, in case he doesn't really make Kosovo independant. And if he does, he gets the watch back :lol:

[poutismalakas]

Lol, such a big fuss over a watch. Who cares :lol:

Right now, I'd imagine Albania is about the only place in the world where Bush will recieve some love :D. Maybe the watch was taken as some sort of collateral, in case he doesn't really make Kosovo independant. And if he does, he gets the watch back :lol:

I could see some JACK ASS on You tube holding it as ransom now!!!:lol: :lol:

[poutismalakas]

hey sinter was happens if hecuran is right it is a Gipsy/Albanian??? :shocked:

[Sandro1]

The news channel CNN just shows that president Bush confirmed that his watch was not stolen or anything as he has it with him home, but it was one of his budyguards that took it from him, for what reasons i dont know, but the the important thing is that Bush's watch was not stolen he has it withhim, and there were non of the crows who tried to take it...

you can also see how president bush said nothing even when he didnt had the watch in his hand nor did his budyguards re acted or said anything who followed him...

[poutismalakas]

The news channel CNN just shows that president Bush confirmed that his watch was not stolen or anything as he has it with him home, but it was one of his budyguards that took it from him, for what reasons i dont know, but the the important thing is that Bush's watch was not stolen he has it withhim, and there were non of the crows who tried to take it...

you can also see how president bush said nothing even when he didnt had the watch in his hand nor did his budyguards re acted or said anything who followed him...
DID you look at the video? 1:00 he looks at his hand and notices that his watch is gone!

Also I love how some you disregard what CNN says when it doesn't match what you want to believe!

[poutismalakas]

Face it guys ONE OF YOUR OWN ripped the Pres off!!!

This marks the first time since 1812 that a US Pres is ripped off! maybe that guy is not ALbanian/ Gipsy but British.......yeah right!!! :lol:

[poutismalakas]

why BOTH sandro and hecuran have the first 3 octets of their IPs the same??????

[ARBANITAI]

hey sinter was happens if hecuran is right it is a Gipsy/Albanian??? :shocked:

I said that there is big chance that the person could not be albanian, but i didnt denied at all that he could as well be the one!

btw who's hecuran ?

[poutismalakas]

I said that there is big chance that the person could not be albanian, but i didnt denied at all that he could as well be the one!

btw who's hecuran ?
ARBANITAI aka hecuran! Im not used to your name change!

Also I believe that thief IS Albanian! I

[ARBANITAI]

Face it guys ONE OF YOUR OWN ripped the Pres off!!!

This marks the first time since 1812 that a US Pres is ripped off! maybe that guy is not ALbanian/ Gipsy but British.......yeah right!!! :lol:

yep man, it was my cousin down there who did it, he just pm me... you want this ???

I know it makes you feel glad to hear that :lol: :lol: so enjoy!!!

[poutismalakas]

yep man, it was my cousin down there who did it, he just pm me... you want this ???

I know it makes you feel glad to hear that :lol: :lol: so enjoy!!!
If you want to me laugh and make me REALLY HAPPY.... Have your cousin make one of those retarded propaganda videos including the watch and put it on youtube!:ronaldo:

[ARBANITAI]

why BOTH sandro and hecuran have the first 3 octets of their IPs the same??????

I was registred by/through his pc..

[ARBANITAI]

If you want to me laugh and make me REALLY HAPPY.... Have your cousin make one of those retarded propaganda videos including the watch and put it on youtube!:ronaldo:

exaclty he took the watch from him, and opload the video on youtube, cant believe so much popularity he got now ??
look again he is tall tanned guy, blond haired with a blue skirt on...
I might recieve a pic of the watch from him soon..

[ARBANITAI]

ARBANITAI aka hecuran! Im not used to your name change!

Also I believe that thief IS Albanian! I

well get too... :lol:

since if you think hecuran is my name, your way off from my own. Arbanitai will describe me more, and its also one of my last names, and its the albanian branch version of Arvanitis / Albanian ;)

Btw I have to tell you, I cant lie, My cousin is also 1/4 greek :evil:

we have a prob there!

[Saraj Fanático]

I said while ago, final showdown will be against Russia.

Whatever is going on right now is just small training, wich USA is losing anyways, but showdown with Russia will go nuclear:sad: .

As someone said before, i dont know how we will fight WWIII, but WW4 will be fought with bow's and arrows !


I think the final showdown is happening as we speak....Iraq.

[Centarfor9]

hey sinter was happens if hecuran is right it is a Gipsy/Albanian??? :shocked:
i doubt SHISH will look into that ... look at the group they are all albanians

[el Turco]

Ok guys, I stole the friggin watch.

You guys argue like it's a big deal. Every country has thiefs and robbers.

[Sema]

Fener, is it a Rolex?

[Centarfor9]

President Bush's Watch Pulls Vanishing Act
Officials Deny Watch Was Stolen
POSTED: 11:17 am EDT June 12, 2007

TIRANA, Albania -- So, what exactly happened to President George W. Bush's wristwatch? We may never know.

http://www.wftv.com/sh/images/ibs_icon/video.gifVideo: Bush Gets Rock-Star Welcome (http://www.wftv.com/video/13480290/index.html)
It seems that one moment Bush was greeting and shaking hands with Albanians on Sunday, while wearing a watch with a dark strap on his left wrist. Moments later, nothing. The watch was no longer on his wrist. Click here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo) to watch that video. (Warning, this is YouTube.com video and comments are not monitored.)

People are wondering. Did it fall off? Did one of his bodyguards remove it? Or did one of the crowd artfully slip it off his wrist and pocket it?

According to The Associated Press, the United States Embassy in Albania on Tuesday is denying that the president's watch was stolen during his visit to the country, where he was acclaimed as a hero. Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman, said the president has his watch again but gave no indication as to what happened to it in Albania.

The Albanian media and Web sites around the world are showing the moment that the wrist watch seemingly vanished as he shook hands with people in Fushe Kruje, 15 miles north of Tirana.

The Albanian people treated the president like a rock star or a movie star, shaking hands with him, grabbing him by the arms and wrists, reaching out to embrace him and even ruffling his hair.

The video showed Bush's obvious delight at the attention being poured on him. He continuously reached into the crowd. He was even kissed on the cheek.

An Albanian bodyguard who accompanied Bush in the town told The Associated Press he had seen one of his U.S. colleagues close to Bush bend down and pick up the watch.

Bush's visit to the tiny Balkan country, the first ever by a U.S. president, was considered as historic.

Albania issued three postage stamps with Bush's picture and the Statue of Liberty, renamed a street in front of parliament in his honor and awarded him the highest National Flag medal, and the Fushe Kruje Town Council also declared him an honored citizen.

[el Turco]

Fener, is it a Rolex?

You wanna buy it? :D

[Sema]

Nah, I was just wondering :D

[Centarfor9]

4 world wars lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chZAajLr_-U&mode=related&search=

[ARBANITAI]

i doubt SHISH will look into that ... look at the group they are all albanians

lol yes but that doesn't mean he was an ethnic albanian too...
(their all albanian citizens btw) but you cannot be so sure that he was albanian, so do not get too excited about it, because as long as you dont have any proofs to base that he is 100% ethnic albanian your opinion cannot be considered true, and all im doubting that is because I know my self good that the village has a huge other communities there besides the albanians.

[Saraj Fanático]

I think that Albanian crowd was ass kissing Bush too much for the sake of the Independence of Kosovo. No offense guys.

Clever Albanians :lol:

[Sema]

Duh, :lol:

[ARBANITAI]

I think that Albanian crowd was ass kissing Bush too much for the sake of the Independence of Kosovo. No offense guys.

Clever Albanians :lol:

"ass kissing" huh?! I dont think thats the word for it, (sorry but I think thats offending) :boo: For sure you could say they were hugin and shaking hands with him etc, but not in that way!

btw its not just for kosova independence, thats bullshit if you think thats all, Kosova is supported world wide now Eu is supporting the independence more now. USA and Albania were having good relationships witheachother even el centuries ago, this goes all over to the the 1800's - 1900's times, where Albania gained Independence from the Ottoman Empire, and USA was one of the countries that supported our war and Independence.

[Centarfor9]

lol yes but that doesn't mean he was an ethnic albanian too...
(their all albanian citizens btw) but you cannot be so sure that he was albanian, so do not get too excited about it, because as long as you dont have any proofs to base that he is 100% ethnic albanian your opinion cannot be considered true, and all im doubting that is because I know my self good that the village has a huge other communities there besides the albanians.
:lol:


I think that Albanian crowd was ass kissing Bush too much for the sake of the Independence of Kosovo. No offense guys.

Clever Albanians :lol:

:lol:

how did you figure that out?

:lol:

[Milos_]

Its a frickin watch people!

And ARBANITAI you are just plain silly.

[poutismalakas]

Bush is going to invade Albania to recover his watch!

[Saraj Fanático]

"ass kissing" huh?! I dont think thats the word for it, (sorry but I think thats offending) :boo: For sure you could say they were hugin and shaking hands with him etc, but not in that way!

btw its not just for kosova independence, thats bullshit if you think thats all, Kosova is supported world wide now Eu is supporting the independence more now. USA and Albania were having good relationships witheachother even el centuries ago, this goes all over to the the 1800's - 1900's times, where Albania gained Independence from the Ottoman Empire, and USA was one of the countries that supported our war and Independence.


Nah, I think its all for Kosovo. We all know that. Not about how Albanians love US friendship. Albanians really don't love Bush And no not that Bush you naughty bastard!

I doubt Kosovo will get its independence anytime soon, as long as the Russians keep messing around. But anyways I hope the best for that region.

And sorry if I offended you but its just a term.

[Centarfor9]

Bush is going to invade Albania to recover his watch!
that sounds like something he would do :lol:

[poutismalakas]

Bush is going to the send the US version of the Fellowship of the Ring/Watch into the Mordor of Europe.... Albania!! :lol:

[Centarfor9]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Q/K/bush_lordoftherings.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushprecious.htm)
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/7/Q/bush_precious.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushgollum.htm)
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/r/1/bush_gollum.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushreturnoftheking.htm)
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Z/3/bush_returnoftheking.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbush007.htm)

[Centarfor9]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/b/3/bush_warofcoalition.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushlordrings.htm)
http://www.funnyclipcentral.com/content/lotrbush.jpg
http://www.topplebush.com/humor/onering.jpg
http://www.butlerwebs.com/tragedy/tragedy-images/bush-arab_small.jpg

[poutismalakas]

Hahaha!!!!!!!

[Sema]

Rofl!!!!!!!! ^^^^

[ARBANITAI]

Bush is going to invade Albania to recover his watch!

Blah blah blah... AND WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY SOMEHOW ... ?? :rolleyes: :faint2:

:boo:

[ARBANITAI]

Bush is going to the send the US version of the Fellowship of the Ring/Watch into the Mordor of Europe.... Albania!! :lol:

:mad2:
Hey stop mentioning "Albania" you cant MISUSE a name of a country in your everyday jokes.. this is an SFN rule, and this goes to all of you out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ARBANITAI]

Its a frickin watch people!

And ARBANITAI you are just plain silly.

You know what, if you have anything to add about the topic then fine do it, if not then PHUCK OFF, im sure no one asked you anything!!!!

besides don't call me silly you MORON!!! you just insulted me. :mad2:
Besides I can give you 30% warn for that!!!

[ARBANITAI]

For those who think president Bush's wrist watch was stolen in Albania?

SEE THIS VIDEO and UNDERTSAND that his watch was not stolen but president bush him self removed the watch before going more closer to the crowds!!!

The Video that prooves his watch was not stolen! see for you self!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M_FbfO4mMc

Now see that, his watch was not stolen but you guys made an ass out of it claiming lies that they stole his watch!!!!

:smoking:

[Centarfor9]

^ nice

i claimed that Gypsy didn't do it and i'm correct! :)

[ARBANITAI]

^ nice

i claimed that Gypsy didn't do it and i'm correct! :)

Yes But you guys were also claiming that Albanians stoled his watch!! :boo: :boo:

I'm glad that finally the Truth came up, and that poutismalakas milos and pana can't feed them selfes with lies anymore that his watch was stolen!

though i have to add that today morning the American embassy in Albania
re-confirmed that Bush has his watch with him, and that it was NOT stolen! but ppl were making lies about it!

[boris4c]

AHAHAHAHAHHA I just read the funniest news. Bush's watch was indeed STOLEN by an ethnic Albanian and will be sold on eBay. Some Albanian guy stole it and will send it to his relative who lives in Australia (of albanian origin) and he will sell it, hoping to get tens of thousands of $ or even 100,000 !! :lol: :lol:
---

Prodaje se Bušov sat!
stana - 14. jun 2007.

Albanci koji su u nedelju u selu Fuše Kurje kod Tirane američkom predsedniku Džordžu Bušu ukrali sat sa ruke u sredu su ga ponudili na prodaju putem internet aukcije! Oglas za prodaju ukradenog Bušovog sata na „I-beju”, najvećem svetskom aukcijskom sajtu, dao je jedan Australijanac albanskog porekla iz okoline Sidneja, prenosi list "Press". On je naveo da sliku sata još ne može da objavi, jer očekuje da mu Bušov sat „vrlo brzo stigne iz Albanije”. Takođe, ovaj dovitljivi trgovac navodi da je ukradeni Bušov sat marke „tajmeks” i da nema veliku vrednost u prodavnici (nešto oko 50 dolara), ali da mu cenu znatno diže činjenica da ga je nosio lično Buš, kao i da su ga ukrali albanski seljaci. Inače, Bušov sat biće na aukciji do utorka, 19. juna, početna cena je 20 dolara, a trenutna cena je oko 26 dolara, koliko je ponudio jedan stanovnik Melburna. Italijanski mediji pre dva dana su, komentarišući skandaloznu krađu sata američkog predsednika, naveli da bi on na crnom tržištu mogao da dostigne astronomsku vrednost od nekoliko desetina, ako ne i svih 100.000 dolara!

:lol:

[ARBANITAI]

hahah Who gives a Shit!!!!

that is just Serbian Propaganda, and lies about "stolen watch"!
So Get a Life !!! :ronaldo: :lol:

I guess you have to see this video again...

The Video that prooves his watch was not stolen! see for your self!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M_FbfO4mMc

You can say watever you want, but the Bush's watch was not stolen, like it or not the Video prooves it ALL!!! ;) ;)

[ARBANITAI]

The white House also denies the propaganda that Bush's watch was stolen during his visit in Albania..

See the video how the white house denies the "stolen watch" PUBLICLY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYXhjy2yqKY&mode=related&search=

where are the greeks now, (lol) who before were claiming the watch was stolen ?????????? hmmmmmm poor guys :boo:

[boris4c]

Unfortunately for you this is taken from Australian newspapers, so there's no Serbian propaganda as you would like it to be. Wait a few days, until the watch comes to Australia, and you will see it on eBay. :lol:

[boris4c]

Well, it's already on eBay but there's no picture of the product until the watch comes by mail.

[ARBANITAI]

Unfortunately for you this is taken from Australian newspapers, so there's no Serbian propaganda as you would like it to be. Wait a few days, until the watch comes to Australia, and you will see it on eBay. :lol:

lol It doesn't really matters now who and where the article comes from, since obviously everyone first thought the watch was stolen including me, but the truth came up now, and the watch was not stolen, there are allready proofs and bush denies it too, so the important thing is that Bush's watch was not stolen, and now we know it, since Bush removed the watch him self and put it on his pocket..... the video shows it clearly...

So What proofs do you want more then that ? or the one where Bush and the white house them selfes denies it publicly ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYXhj...elated&search=

Now Do i really have to believe in such bullshit as someone stole it and it will come on ebay ?????? again you can say watever you want dude, but bush has his own watch with him! ;)

[ARBANITAI]

Well, it's already on eBay but there's no picture of the product until the watch comes by mail.

yes but thats not Bush's watch :) it can be anyone elses, but not bush's wrist watch.. So i dont Care.

President Bush had his own wrist watch with him on his way Home.;)

US President George W. Bush's wristwatch was not stolen in Albania while he was mobbed by a euphoric crowd in Tirana, White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

Some media outlets and an online video showed images that suggested that Bush's watch vanished while he shook hands with enthusiastic Albanians during a weekend stop there.

"No, it was not. It was placed in his pocket," Snow told reporters. "The president put it in his pocket and it returned safely home."

[boris4c]

Shame on the Albanian who stole the $50 watch from American president Bush.

[ARBANITAI]

Shame on the Albanian who stole the $50 watch from American president Bush.

It Wasn't :lol: Are you going to repeat something which is not true. :ronaldo:

[Centarfor9]

Yes But you guys were also claiming that Albanians stoled his watch!! :boo: :boo:
i was under the assumtion that the watch is in fact stolen

from a group of albanians it would be albanians who would steal it not gypsies like you claimed

[Sema]

i was under the assumtion that the watch is in fact stolen

from a group of albanians it would be albanians who would steal it not gypsies like you claimed

It could have been anyone, but now that nobody stole it, who gives a crap?

[Centarfor9]

It could have been anyone, but now that nobody stole it, who gives a crap?
http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian/graphics_graveyard/bush%20finger.jpg

I agree! :lol:

http://pressmart.net/blog/uploaded_images/bushhand-726061.jpg

watch is protected by secret service
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9642/image001jd4.jpg (http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/)

[poutismalakas]

Yes But you guys were also claiming that Albanians stoled his watch!! :boo: :boo:

I'm glad that finally the Truth came up, and that poutismalakas milos and pana can't feed them selfes with lies anymore that his watch was stolen!

though i have to add that today morning the American embassy in Albania
re-confirmed that Bush has his watch with him, and that it was NOT stolen! but ppl were making lies about it!
Hey I said A Albanian NOT AlbanianS stole his watch :rolleyes:

Take that chip off your shoulder!!!!

ALso I find it funny that half of you believe Bush ordered 911 BUT you deny he got his watch stolen! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[poutismalakas]

http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian/graphics_graveyard/bush%20finger.jpg

I agree! :lol:

http://pressmart.net/blog/uploaded_images/bushhand-726061.jpg

watch is protected by secret service
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9642/image001jd4.jpg (http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/)
HAHAHA:lol: :lol:

[poutismalakas]

You know what, if you have anything to add about the topic then fine do it, if not then PHUCK OFF, im sure no one asked you anything!!!!

besides don't call me silly you MORON!!! you just insulted me. :mad2:
Besides I can give you 30% warn for that!!!
seriously chill!

your WORSE than the Bosnians who got pissed over the hill thing!

[poutismalakas]

For those who think president Bush's wrist watch was stolen in Albania?

SEE THIS VIDEO and UNDERTSAND that his watch was not stolen but president bush him self removed the watch before going more closer to the crowds!!!

The Video that prooves his watch was not stolen! see for you self!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M_FbfO4mMc

Now see that, his watch was not stolen but you guys made an ass out of it claiming lies that they stole his watch!!!!

:smoking:
BULLSHIT!!! it is coverup not to embaress Bush!!!!:smoking:

[ARBANITAI]

ALso I find it funny that half of you believe Bush ordered 911 BUT you deny he got his watch stolen! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What does that have to do anything with Bush's watch ? :faint2:

I'm not deniying it, but the video it self clearly proofs us that his watch was not stolen, so what is it you want now ?!

[Centarfor9]

BULLSHIT!!! it is coverup not to embaress Bush!!!!:smoking:
:lol: "to embarrass Bush" <--- that is not possible :lol:

[())__Green__))>]

hahhaha
i have a couple of albanian friends
they always tell me how its unsafe over there in albania
how people steal from other people, beat u up for watches, shoes...
its all mafia over there
thats how it is, you can defend albania all you want
but you know its true
if you park your benz with nice rims on outside for 10 min
your rims will be jacked just like that

[Centarfor9]

hahhaha
i have a couple of albanian friends
they always tell me how its unsafe over there in albania
how people steal from other people, beat u up for watches, shoes...
its all mafia over there
thats how it is, you can defend albania all you want
but you know its true
if you park your benz with nice rims on outside for 10 min
your rims will be jacked just like that
:lol:

that's almost as bad as bosnia :smoking:

[())__Green__))>]

^ hahaha naww i think its worse in albania

[Centarfor9]

^ hahaha naww i think its worse in albania
you think

[ARBANITAI]

hahhaha
i have a couple of albanian friends
they always tell me how its unsafe over there in albania
how people steal from other people, beat u up for watches, shoes...
its all mafia over there
thats how it is, you can defend albania all you want
but you know its true
if you park your benz with nice rims on outside for 10 min
your rims will be jacked just like that

just not all true :worried:

I mean i Havn't faced such things as you describe, everytime time im in Albania, i never found it to be so unsafe here, its much un-safer in denmark, england in that case i think, you have thiefes and crimminals else where, but in general No, and its not that bad as you said.
yet im living there i never saw people beating up for watches shoes anything non-worthy things you have to add ? (lol) (that was indeed funny)

and yet I park my BMW car whereever i want and yet no one has even touched it, suprisly huh ? so plz stop sayíng things you dont know!

and most of all, its not Mafia here, maybe in Bosnia but not in Albania, maybe you could say it was a bit mess in 96-97 druing the elections, but now its completly different

[boris4c]

yes we all know albania is the best country :)

[ARBANITAI]

yes we all know albania is the best country :)

nah, I allways think Serbia is better :p

[())__Green__))>]

just not all true

I mean i Havn't faced such things as you describe, everytime time im in Albania, i never found it to be so unsafe here, its much un-safer in denmark, england in that case i think, you have thiefes and crimminals else where, but in general No, and its not that bad as you said.
yet im living there i never saw people beating up for watches shoes anything non-worthy things you have to add ? (lol) (that was indeed funny)

and yet I park my BMW car whereever i want and yet no one has even touched it, suprisly huh ? so plz stop sayíng things you dont know!

and most of all, its not Mafia here, maybe in Bosnia but not in Albania, you could say it was a bit mess in 97´s but now its completly different

and albania has flying cars, and it rains money there, hot girls running topless around all day and ofcourse people stealing bush's watch :lol:

*SARCASM*

[ARBANITAI]

and albania has flying cars, and it rains money there, hot girls running topless around all day and ofcourse people stealing bush's watch :lol:

*SARCASM*

Subhanallah :faint2: !?

...so what is your point and damn wtf r u talking about ?! (lol) no idea!?:rolleyes:

secondly plz stop lying if your honest, Bush's watch was not stolen my friend

here is the proof for that

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M_FbfO4mMc

[boris4c]

We wonder why he took it off. :) Obviously because he was sure some excited Albanian would steal it off his arm.

[Saraj Fanático]

hahhaha
i have a couple of albanian friends
they always tell me how its unsafe over there in albania
how people steal from other people, beat u up for watches, shoes...
its all mafia over there
thats how it is, you can defend albania all you want
but you know its true
if you park your benz with nice rims on outside for 10 min
your rims will be jacked just like that


In BiH its the same thing bro. You have guys steal your ride and then they try to get back at you asking for a certain amount of money to pay for it. Also, the cops are sometimes involved. They get a certain percentage of the money. Damn cigani.

But BiH is in a better condition when it comes to Albania in those things, I guess. Not sure what Albania is like so I am keeping my mouth shut.

[Centarfor9]

We wonder why he took it off. :) Obviously because he was sure some excited Albanian would steal it off his arm.
it can't be that :D

[poutismalakas]

I love how if I or any other Greek said anything remotely close to what you guys said we would be called racist, A-holes and worse!

Amd for the record I saw on ebay a watch similar to Bush's the Seller's name was Albania#1

:D

[())__Green__))>]

I love how if I or any other Greek said anything remotely close to what you guys said we would be called racist, A-holes and worse!

Amd for the record I saw on ebay a watch similar to Bush's the Seller's name was Albania#1

:D

i bet its a one of a kind "custom watch" made only in Albania as well ;)

[Gavmundo]

Russia has urged Nato to avoid any steps that could undermine Russia's security, at the start of discussions on several thorny issues in Moscow.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said issues such as missile defence and the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty required careful handling.

He said neither side should take steps "aimed at strengthening someone's security at the expense of others".

Russia objects to a US plan for a missile defence shield in Europe.

The plan - to site a radar in the Czech Republic and 10 anti-missile interceptors in Poland - is expected to top the agenda of Tuesday's talks between Nato Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Mr Lavrov said work on such issues would be "anything but simple".

Moscow has threatened to re-aim missiles at European cities if the US goes ahead with the plan.


How defence system works

Mr de Hoop Scheffer is in Moscow to mark the fifth anniversary of the Nato-Russia Council.

Moscow has voiced opposition to Nato's possible further eastward expansion to include more former Soviet states, such as Ukraine and Georgia.

Russia and Western powers also have different visions of Kosovo's future. The US and European Union support a UN plan to give the territory independence, but Russia says further negotiations on its status are needed.

Missile shield tensions

On Monday, the Nato chief again defended the US missile defence plan.

"You don't have to be Einstein to understand that 10 interceptor rockets don't pose any threat to Russia," Mr de Hoop Scheffer said during a debate in St Petersburg, broadcast on Russia's Ekho Moskvy radio station.

He also said Russia and Nato were "enemies and tried to destroy each other" during the Cold War but "that era has now finished".

Washington has said the missile shield is necessary to protect against any missile attacks from "rogue states".

Russia sees the shield as a threat to its national security.

Mr Putin recently warned that Russia would target its missiles back at Europe if Washington went ahead with its missile shield.

As a compromise, Mr Putin offered the US joint use of a Soviet-build radar base in Azerbaijan.

But US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said Washington viewed the offer as an additional capability, not a substitute for the plan.

[ARBANITAI]

We wonder why he took it off. :) Obviously because he was sure some excited Albanian would steal it off his arm.

dunno ! Go ask him. :rolleyes:

[He said: because he was afraid it could fall down, thats why he took it off]

[shevafan]

Russia has urged Nato to avoid any steps that could undermine Russia's security, at the start of discussions on several thorny issues in Moscow.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said issues such as missile defence and the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty required careful handling.

He said neither side should take steps "aimed at strengthening someone's security at the expense of others".

Russia objects to a US plan for a missile defence shield in Europe.

The plan - to site a radar in the Czech Republic and 10 anti-missile interceptors in Poland - is expected to top the agenda of Tuesday's talks between Nato Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Mr Lavrov said work on such issues would be "anything but simple".

Moscow has threatened to re-aim missiles at European cities if the US goes ahead with the plan.


How defence system works

Mr de Hoop Scheffer is in Moscow to mark the fifth anniversary of the Nato-Russia Council.

Moscow has voiced opposition to Nato's possible further eastward expansion to include more former Soviet states, such as Ukraine and Georgia.

Russia and Western powers also have different visions of Kosovo's future. The US and European Union support a UN plan to give the territory independence, but Russia says further negotiations on its status are needed.

Missile shield tensions

On Monday, the Nato chief again defended the US missile defence plan.

"You don't have to be Einstein to understand that 10 interceptor rockets don't pose any threat to Russia," Mr de Hoop Scheffer said during a debate in St Petersburg, broadcast on Russia's Ekho Moskvy radio station.

He also said Russia and Nato were "enemies and tried to destroy each other" during the Cold War but "that era has now finished".

Washington has said the missile shield is necessary to protect against any missile attacks from "rogue states".

Russia sees the shield as a threat to its national security.

Mr Putin recently warned that Russia would target its missiles back at Europe if Washington went ahead with its missile shield.

As a compromise, Mr Putin offered the US joint use of a Soviet-build radar base in Azerbaijan.

But US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said Washington viewed the offer as an additional capability, not a substitute for the plan.
some bullshit from putin. how does this effect the national security of Russia??? it a freaking defensive missile base! its not an attacking type of base. putin simply doesnt want them to set up the missile shield because he knows his shitty outdated rockets are easily intercepted if there is a cause to use them.
also personally if i would be bush i would go ahead and set up these missile shields just to rub it into putin's face. i still think putin doesnt have the balls to even think of a potential war. hes just a former KGB agent that wants to steal money. not to get his ass in a large scale war.

[boris4c]

dunno ! Go ask him. :rolleyes:

[He said: because he was afraid it could fall down, thats why he took it off]
LOL

[ARBANITAI]

LOL

Akroma sanevas emosi :lol:

what is that "funny" ? lol

[boris4c]

yes, he was scared his watch would "fall off" :)

the chances that his shirt would fall off and his watch are about the same :)

[Centarfor9]

yes, he was scared his watch would "fall off" :)

the chances that his shirt would fall off and his watch are about the same :)
how do you know? :Party:

[poutismalakas]

Face it the video and the excuse that I was worried my watch would fall off are excuses! He got his watch stolen or if the second video is true one of those Albanians tried to steal his watch and he took it off to prevent that! I believe he got his watch stolen!

[Cihangir]

Why do all political threads get hijacked by the Balkans clans?? :lol:

Because the breaking up of Yugoslavia brought the biggest and most horrible atrocities the world has ever seen against humanity since the WWII and these people will suffer from it for the rest of their lives not to mention the young generation which is being brought up by sick nationalistic ideas. They will talk, discuss and fight about it but that effect won't be forgotten. That's why.

[Centarfor9]

Because the breaking up of Yugoslavia brought the biggest and most horrible atrocities the world has ever seen against humanity since the WWII and these people will suffer from it for the rest of their lives not to mention the young generation which is being brought up by sick nationalistic ideas. They will talk, discuss and fight about it but that effect won't be forgotten. That's why.
it's not us who bring it up the most of the time ;)

[Centarfor9]

Face it the video and the excuse that I was worried my watch would fall off are excuses! He got his watch stolen or if the second video is true one of those Albanians tried to steal his watch and he took it off to prevent that! I believe he got his watch stolen!
ok it's not funny anymore

the watch clearly wasn't stolen

unless this watch incident has started a cold war between Albania and USA you guys are way off topic

[ARBANITAI]

ok it's not funny anymore

the watch clearly wasn't stolen

unless this watch incident has started a cold war between Albania and USA you guys are way off topic

Thats true, and for sure this thing is getting old and booring now.

this thing is forgotten..

yet for boris and poutismalas it probably isnt, as they are pushing this thing on, but they dont have more to say thogh, because the proof that the watch was not stolen is there, and they simply have no more to say about it, unless they fool them selfes more with it:D

[Centarfor9]

Thats true, and for sure this thing is getting old and booring now.

this thing is forgotten..

yet for boris and poutismalas it probably isnt, as they are pushing this thing on, but they dont have more to say because the proof that the watch was not stolen is there, and they simply have no more to say, unless they just claims like that :D
if i was you i'd ban them :smoking:

[ARBANITAI]

Face it the video and the excuse that I was worried my watch would fall off are excuses! He got his watch stolen or if the second video is true one of those Albanians tried to steal his watch and he took it off to prevent that! I believe he got his watch stolen!

Haha you are making "sense" :D

or where is ur proof ? lol

of course you would remove ur watch when you shake hands to so many ppl like he did, because there is a big risc it might fall down. but u like to look it different :lol:

but the watch was clearly not stolen.

[ARBANITAI]

if i was you i'd ban them :smoking:

well I'm a very polite an tolerant mod :D _ as u can see..... :smoking: :p

but thats why they dont have to push for it: or :laser:

[Centarfor9]

well I'm a very polite an tolerant mod :D _ as u can see..... :smoking: :p

but thats why they dont have to push for it: or :laser:
i was joking

plus they just messin around

[ARBANITAI]

Because the breaking up of Yugoslavia brought the biggest and most horrible atrocities the world has ever seen against humanity since the WWII and these people will suffer from it for the rest of their lives not to mention the young generation which is being brought up by sick nationalistic ideas. They will talk, discuss and fight about it but that effect won't be forgotten. That's why.

I agree, these serbo-yugoslavian genocide wars and their dream of greater serbia brought all these hatred and coflicts between ppl, it also infected us all around the region, in the other hand i do understand some of them and their anger, who knows maybe members of his family were killed during the war, and he him self suffered alot in the war ???

i'm sure you would feel the same way like those balcan ppl..:rolleyes:

[Zek]

i thought the thread is about azerbaijan :silly: turned out to be about Kosovo... On the topic, US shall really pull off the gear a bit or there will be a consequence. To me the way US politics are set up tells that they do not care about any other country and consider themselves very superior to the rest of the world. No one ever managed to rule the whole world historically...

On our radar station, it is a quality one controlling everything from east africa to north australia, they can identify any spots as big as foot ball. Personally, i do not want this station here in Azerbaijan, although must agree it is astonishingly big (I've been driving around it quite a few times). The weakness of the station is that Iranian rockets can reach it, but I do not know how much damage they can make to it...

on Kosovo - with all due respect to all the suffer around the issue, Kosovo is a part of Serbia and had always been... It is like Karabakh here had always been azeri, then armenians started moving in those lands and a century after requested independence... It is unacceptable. It is not serbs' fault that albanians multiply like rabbits... On long term if Kosovo gets independence, all nations of the world will attempt to be monoethnic to avoid such incidents in future...

PS: I am not a serb, I am Azeri (similar to Turks)

[ARBANITAI]

i thought the thread is about azerbaijan :silly: turned out to be about Kosovo... On the topic, US shall really pull off the gear a bit or there will be a consequence. To me the way US politics are set up tells that they do not care about any other country and consider themselves very superior to the rest of the world. No one ever managed to rule the whole world historically...

On our radar station, it is a quality one controlling everything from east africa to north australia, they can identify any spots as big as foot ball. Personally, i do not want this station here in Azerbaijan, although must agree it is astonishingly big (I've been driving around it quite a few times). The weakness of the station is that Iranian rockets can reach it, but I do not know how much damage they can make to it...

on Kosovo - with all due respect to all the suffer around the issue, Kosovo is a part of Serbia and had always been... It is like Karabakh here had always been azeri, then armenians started moving in those lands and a century after requested independence... It is unacceptable. It is not serbs' fault that albanians multiply like rabbits... On long term if Kosovo gets independence, all nations of the world will attempt to be monoethnic to avoid such incidents in future...

PS: I am not a serb, I am Azeri (similar to Turks)


with all respect, i can say that your knowglegde about Kosova is so so poor. the Kosovo issue has nothing to do with your Karabahkh, because Kosova was not a serbian province, it was occupayed yes.

Kosova was never part of Serbia, and it never belonged to Serbia, this is the FACT!

Kosovars are descendants of Illyrians, all albanians in general are descendants of them, and probably the first ppl to inhabit the balcan region, the serbs in the other hand, are not even from Balcans, their slavs from the carpathians of russia, the serbs settled in balcans during 6-7 century only,

but Kosova was way before inhabitted with Albanians and was part of Albanian kigdom, so what happend then ? Ottoman empire came and invade this area as well as kosova, during all these time Albanians has allways been majority in their land kosova, when the ottomans were driven back, and left the balcans, the European super powers and especially Russia, managed to take Kosovo away from Albania, and was given to the Serbian republic, since that time Kosova was under serbian rule, in the wwII Kosovars fought again, and managed to be free for a period of 5-6 years, but again under the leadership of Tito and Yugoslavia kosova again left in the hands of Serbia.

in 1999 Albanians were still not satisfied with this what happend, and because their land was still occupayed they took up arms and wanted to re-independent their land. since then Kosova is under UN, and is wating its independence, they have great support from almost all european countries for their independence as well USA, right now only russia and serbia are those who are agaisnt the ahtisaari plan for Independence, but that cannot stop from independence, since many countries are thinking to recognize kosovas independences alone, and so it looks to be.


Albanian origine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Albania

Serbian origine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples

[Zek]

must admit my historical perception of the Kosovo issue was biased by russian history books & tv broadcast...

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/kosovo/110492.stm

Good link to bbc website. But still if Kosovo gets an independence that will be a precedent for many countries to lose their territories now officially...

again have nothing against albanians or serbs...

[ARBANITAI]

must admit my historical perception of the Kosovo issue was biased by russian history books & tv broadcast...

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/kosovo/110492.stm

Good link to bbc website. But still if Kosovo gets an independence that will be a precedent for many countries to lose their territories now officially...

again have nothing against albanians or serbs...

Thats why I think it's very important to anyone to read quit alot of that countrys history before even post a comment like that, whom you have no idea about.. :rolleyes: :mad2:

the russia has allways been a ally of serbia, so for sure they will say the worst for Kosovo and Albanians, and claim other propagandas that kosova was serb etc etc i dont want to go further in that.. but one thing is sure, the historic books, and ancient historians as well as those of modern all agrees that Serbs are an indo-slavic ppl who settled balcans during 7th century, they also believes that Albanians have lived here from stone age, and their one of europes oldest nations, descendants of Pelasgians and Illyrians.
more proof on that, is the tradition, language modern albanians speaks today.

Kosovo will get independence, like it or not, and what happens to other regions is not their problem, because i guess it is stated alot in the media and by politicians that kosovas issue is a uniqe issue, so it cannot compared ot other mixed regions, who want independence or whatever, kosova deserved independence because its their land.

[boris4c]

:lol: because Hecuran says it, it's true now :lol:

Everybody knows there are different views on every topic, and it counts for Kosovo. Kosovo is Serbian land, on Wikipedia we can find the population of Serbs and Albanians centuries ago, we can see it was always inhabited by Serbs before. Albanians come in, multiply like rabbits, and after a few years claim it as theirs. It is not a matter of ancient civilizations (Illyrians), it is a matter of Serbs and Albanians. The whole of Europe is Italian (Roman) then, and some parts of the Middle East and Africa. Ok let's give it all to Italy and everybody is happy :) why? The Romans controlled all of it. We all know what the Americans do, nobody supports them because they always make the bad decision. Albania is the only country supporting the USA. They attack president Bush from excitement, try to steal his watch, kiss him, pet him, ask his autograph, touch his hair, etc :lol:

[ARBANITAI]

You and your worthless talk :boo:

you do really have no proofs on that.

Can you show me JUST ONE fact where it says SERBS Inhabbited balcans/kosovo before ALBANIANS ???

Im sorry you cant find such thing, you only arrived in balcans in 7th century, begging for food and work, and were like slaves and proud Servants to Illyrians and Byzantines working for them, and since then when you start to multiply and getting somhow bigger, u start claimin and stealing other lands and history from others. now you claim kosova ?!!!

and if you really knew ur history you woulndt even talk, any idea how the name "serb" even comes from, and what it really means, when the serbs/slavs settled to balcans, the romans called them servants the proof tells:
"Serbi" - comes from the latin word "Servi", which means Servant

Every historian agrees that serbs or the "servants" only arrived balcans in the 7th century, so how could kosova be your "heart land" !!!

And all historians agrees and found out with prooves that Albanians are children of ancient Illyrians, so like it or not Kosova is and was allways Albanian/illyrian land.

Boris if you dont know your origine and when your Serbi /servant forfathers first arrived to balcans, and multiplyed like rabbits, I suggest you take a look at this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb

next time learn your history dude before u even talk :lol: ;)

[el Turco]

PS: I am not a serb, I am Azeri (similar to Turks)

:) :)

Merhaba kardas.

I love watching AzTV, BTW. :)

Especially, Fenerbahce games. :)

[boris4c]

I will now copy-paste this from the next you sent me Hecuran.

"There are several theories on the origin of the Serbs."

Yes yes, Hecuran you are right. :)

"albo" in afrikaans means faggot, oh there we go :)
---

The 1445 Turkish cadestral tax census on the territory of Kosovo:

12,844 Serbian housing
46 Albanian households

(the list goes on) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo

Albanians are majority in 1912 for the first time.

[Centarfor9]

Albanian origine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Albania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Albania)
didn't read the whole thing but

this is nice

The southeast of Dalmatia was populated by "real Illyrians," and the evidence from personal names produces a uniform picture with very little influence from other parts of the province, except for a group of Celtic names in the upper Neretva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neretva) valley around Konjic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konjic).
:D

respek

[Centarfor9]

"Serbi" - comes from the latin word "Servi", which means Servant
you sure about that?

i know word Slave came from word Slav

but i never heard of this what you saying

[Zek]

:) :)

Merhaba kardas.

I love watching AzTV, BTW. :)

Especially, Fenerbahce games. :)

Merhaba kardas.

How can you watch AzTV - pervert :silly: We hate that channel and never watch it

[poutismalakas]

didn't read the whole thing but

this is nice


:D

respek
I hope you know that I've notice alot of propaganda edited into Balkan articles in wikipedia so for all we know that paragraph is BS?

[Centarfor9]

I hope you know that I've notice alot of propaganda edited into Balkan articles in wikipedia so for all we know that paragraph is BS?
ok then everything you quoted or posted from wikipedia is BS!

[poutismalakas]

OK what I meant is that unless it has changed anyone can go into a legit article and edit it putting in what BS they want! I read my articles before I used them ;)

[Centarfor9]

OK what I meant is that unless it has changed anyone can go into a legit article and edit it putting in what BS they want! I read my articles before I used them ;)
sure :smoking:

that makes sense :yawn:

[ARBANITAI]

so, does anyone. :)

[Centarfor9]

so, does anyone. :)
so what you trying to say is you wrote that article and excluded Konjic just to make me mad :D (joking)

The southeast of Dalmatia was populated by "real Illyrians," and the evidence from personal names produces a uniform picture with very little influence from other parts of the province, except for a group of Celtic names in the upper Neretva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neretva) valley around Konjic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konjic).
:D

[ARBANITAI]

you sure about that?

i know word Slave came from word Slav

but i never heard of this what you saying

Yes it is right. Here is the PROOF!

History proof: How the Serbs (Servs) came to Balkans!

In the 5ht century, there was a climatic change in the Carpates, the Homeland of a Russian tribe close to modern (Kiev) now called Serbs.

This change made the land unproductive; thus Serbs spread all over Russia looking for Food and begging for something to eat.

They worked as servants for the royal families in Russia. They were considered as a low level society, similar to gypsies.

Later on, when Tsar Petri 1st of Russia came to power, he wanted to clean the Russian nation from gypsies and beggars, category where the Servs (Serbs) were included.

So, he forced out of Russia both the gypsies and the Servs. These people came down on the Balkan Peninsula, which at that time was mostly occupayed by the Byzantine Empire.

In 577 AD, around 100,000 Slavs (Servs and Gypsies) invaded Illyria,
at that time time under the reign of the Byzantine Empire.

After 50 yearsm in 627, when Heraclius became the Emperor of Byzantine,
He had difficulties fighting the just-created Arab states which were of Muslim religion.

On the other hand, the northern part of the (balkan) Empire, was continually under the attack of Germanic tribes (Visigoths).

Therefore, he made a pact with the Slavic invaders, The Servs, so that they would be given Land on the Illyrian soil under the consition of protecting the Empire's borders.

This is how the Servs (Serbs) came to Balkan Peninsula. However, after the fall of the Byzantine Empire, they didn't go Back. They stayed...

[el Turco]

Merhaba kardas.

How can you watch AzTV - pervert :silly: We hate that channel and never watch it

:lol: :lol:

I watch it to have a good laugh. No disrespect, but way you speak Turkish sounds kind of funny to us.(We probably sound funny to you). :D

For example, how you call goalie-kapici, goal-kapi etc. makes me laugh. We use the word kapici for something else. :D

[boris4c]

Yes it is right. Here is the PROOF!
Once again, Hecuran is unable to understand there exists several theories on the origin of Serbs. Not only on this topic, but on the origin of every race and pretty much every topic in the world. Anyways, it's not like I care if we were servants or not 1500 years ago. Look at Illyria in the Bronze Age and Illyria (Albania) now :)

[Zek]

:lol: :lol:

I watch it to have a good laugh. No disrespect, but way you speak Turkish sounds kind of funny to us.(We probably sound funny to you). :D

For example, how you call goalie-kapici, goal-kapi etc. makes me laugh. We use the word kapici for something else. :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: the threat is off - topic anyways...

yeah, I like the way turkish sounds actually and if only Azeri's had a bit of patriotism and pride like Osmanians :dreaming:

bas in turkish means like do something or come up with something, in azeri it is often meant as 'score someone', have sex with someone. So, imagine I and plenty of people are at the meeting at work and the turkish woman (she was in her 30's we were very good friends) says 'Ayaz bas mene', 'bas tez ol, mene kemek lazimdir' - everyone else were azeris and they were looking at me like well done mate, you've progressed with your boss's boss... and comments like well done, we never thought you're that good with cheeks...

that was pretty funny and embarassing to both of us, especially after the meeting when I explained her what that meant.

[Gavmundo]

Anyway .... back to topic ... AGAIN!!

Russia has raised the idea of moving new missile forces to Kaliningrad, close to Poland and Lithuania.
First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov linked the possible move to US plans for a missile defence system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Russia has already threatened to hit back by targeting missiles at Europe.

Mr Ivanov said there would be no need to move extra forces to Kaliningrad if the US agreed to use Russian facilities instead of the Polish and Czech bases.

Russia says the US plans for a limited missile defence shield, including bases close to Russia's borders, represent a threat to its security.

It has proposed that the US should use a radar facility in Azerbaijan, and another installation currently being built in southern Russia.

US President George W Bush has described the idea as "innovative" but indicated that the US will press ahead with the plans for a radar station in the Czech Republic, and a missile base in Poland.

The US says its missile shield is not directed at Russia, but at what it considers "rogue states" such as Iran.

'Effective response'

"If our proposals are accepted, the need will disappear for Russia to deploy new missile weaponry in the European part of the country, including in Kaliningrad Region," Mr Ivanov said, on a visit to Uzbekistan.


"After this, you will forget about the term 'Cold War'. It will simply disappear. There simply won't be cause for speaking of it," he added.

"If our proposals are not accepted - and I cannot rule that out... an asymmetrical and effective response has been found."

Mr Ivanov is a former defence minister, and his current brief includes overall control of the defence sector. He is also seen as a possible successor to President Putin.

Correspondents say Mr Ivanov's comments indicate that US hopes of toning down Russia's Cold War-style rhetoric by hosting a relaxed weekend meeting between President Vladimir Putin and Mr Bush in Maine have not borne fruit.

Mr Ivanov is widely seen as one of the top contenders to replace Mr Putin when he steps down in 2008.

[Toke-E-Yo]

comunists suck.

[Gavmundo]

Hmm don't think the Russian government is very Communist these days :lol:

[boris4c]

"Athisari primio mito od albanske mafije"
stana - 10. jul 2007.


Predsednik Američkog saveta za Kosovo i Metohiju Džim Džatras izjavio je u utorak u Beogradu da je dobio izveštaj iz Vašingtona koji ukazuje da je izaslanik UN Marti Ahtisari primio novac za nezavisnost Kosova. Džatras je na konferenciji za novinare rekao da mu je u ponedeljak kasno uveče dostavljena analiza američkog servisa obaveštajnih podataka Global informejšn sistem (Global information sistem, GIS), namenjenog isključivo vladama zemalja, koja potvrđuje navode nemačke obaveštajne službe BND da je specijalni izaslanik UN Marti Ahtisari primio mito od albanske mafije za nezavisnost Kosova. R