Kosova Politics

[Centarfor9]

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Bosniak lawmaker naysayer to U.N.

Amid thunderous applause and a standing ovation, Numan Balic (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/Numan_Balic_/)was conspicuously alone.

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/numanbalic.jpgNuman Balic "I am completely convinced that Kosovo should be independent" (www.assembly-kosova.org (http://www.assembly-kosova.org))

The frustrated representative of the Bosniak minority in Kosovo (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/Kosovo/), holding a bunch of papers, stood in front of the speaker of the parliament demanding to speak against a U.N. plan that recommends independence for the disputed province.

He was a lone dissenting voice amid 100 lawmakers Thursday endorsing a resolution backing the proposal drafted by U.N. special envoy Martti Ahtisaari (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/Martti_Ahtisaari/), the former Finnish president who mediated yearlong negotiations between ethnic Albanian and Serbian leaders. And he was not allowed to speak because lawmakers had agreed in advance that there would be no debate.

Balic insists his grievances had nothing to do with Kosovo's independence. In fact, the 48 year-old lawmaker, says he was defending that aim when he said "no."

"I am completely convinced that Kosovo should be independent, I support that cause with no reservations," Balic told the Associated Press by telephone. "But I won't support the plan because it damages it."

He said he was surprised "how naive" his colleagues were, and told media after the vote that the ethnic Albanian deputies were pressured "from outside" to approve the plan.

"Ahtisaari's plan is only a proposal, it's not the end of the process," said Balic, warning that if the plan fails to be approved by the U.N. (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/U.N./) Security Council - which has the final say over the province's fate - violent riots will break out in Kosovo.

Ahtisaari's proposal calls for the province's independence from Serbia, initially supervised by the international community, and offers broad rights to the province's Serb minority to run their daily affairs and preserve their identity and culture.

Ethnic Albanian leaders, who demand independence, have supported the plan and Serbia - which insists the province remains within its borders - has vehemently rejected it.

Kosovo's Serbs, who do not vote in parliament because they have boycotted the province's public institutions, have warned of secession of the Serb-dominated north if Kosovo gains independence.

Balic, one of the representatives of the some 35,000 members of the Bosniak community estimated to live in Kosovo, said the plan gives "exclusive rights to the Serbs" who account for 5 percent of the province's 2 million and makes them equals to Kosovo's Albanian majority, which make up 90 percent of the population.

"The rights of other communities are ignored and that's unacceptable," he said.

Ethnic Albanian lawmakerYlber Hysa (http://english.pravda.ru/filing/_Ylber_Hysa_/)snubbed Balic's claims.

"It's not the first time that he has done things that are surprising and weird, but this does not surprise or astonish anyone anymore," said Hysa, who was part of the negotiations with Serbian officials.

The plan has been protested by several thousands ethnic Albanian hard-liners, who say it offers too many concessions to the Serb minority living in Kosovo and risks dividing the province along ethnic lines. Many others have grudgingly accepted it.

But, Sadik Idriz, Kosovo's health minister and a representative of a larger Bosniak Muslim party in Kosovo's assembly, said Ahtisaari's proposal - despite some shortcomings - was acceptable.

Balic "is a conflictual man who tries to get attention to show that he's alive," Idriz said. "100 Albanian lawmakers vote for it and he votes against?"

[Centarfor9]

US may unilaterally recognise Kosovo independence: ex-envoy
Sat Apr 28, 4:09 PM ET

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The United States could unilaterally recognise Kosovo's independence even if Russia vetoes such a move at the United Nations, Richard Holbrooke, a former US envoy to the Balkans and the UN, seen here in 2003, said Saturday.

The United States could unilaterally recognise Kosovo's independence even if Russia vetoes such a move at the United Nations, a former US envoy to the Balkans and the UN said Saturday.

"If Russia decides to use its veto (in the UN Security Council), there will be a declaration of independence in Kosovo, and the United States will recognise Kosovo the same day," Richard Holbrooke predicted during a conference in Brussels.

He added that he believed several EU states would follow suit.
The UN Security Council is due to decide in coming weeks on the status of Kosovo.

The territory, a southern province of Serbia, has been under UN administration since mid-1999, following NATO bombardments that forced the Serbian military to cease a crackdown on the ethnic Albanian majority and to withdraw.

Holbrooke represented the United States at the 1995 Dayton peace accords that ended the Bosnian war and then went on to become a US presidential envoy to Kosovo before being named US ambassador to the United Nations from 1999 to 2001. He is now a member of international foreign policy think tanks.

"Russia will bear responsibility if violence is breaking" after a possible decision to veto a UN declaration of Kosovo independence.

Russia has sided with Serbia, a traditional ally, in opposing a recommendation by the UN envoy to Kosovo, Martti Ahtisaari, that "supervised independence" be granted.

Sweden's foreign minister, Carl Bildt, also in Brussels, attacked Holbrooke over his comments, saying "that is playing with fire in Europe, playing with fire with the transatlantic relationship and playing with fire in the Balkans."

He said the matter had to be decided by a UN Security Council resolution.

[ARBANITAI]

The russian diplomacy is to waste time as most as possible but they will not succed. thats 4 sure.

The Kosovo Goverment will declare their own Independence this summer, and you will see many countries will recognize it...
including USA, England, Germany, France, Albania, Switzerland, Macedonia.... etc...

[Pape]

war world 3, have fun, i'm not dying for anybody :)

[ARBANITAI]

war world 3, have fun, i'm not dying for anybody :)

your right, its stupid to die for a country who is not yours, and is not inhabited by your own countrymen..

yet its still the goverments and the leaders of the world whom from chair command their citizen ppl to war ???!!!! NO WAY!!!

[Centarfor9]

your right, its stupid to die for a country who is not yours, and is not inhabited by your own countrymen..

yet its still the goverments and the leaders of the world whom from chair command their citizen ppl to war ???!!!! NO WAY!!!
i've been watching serbian news and they say that there are over 7,000 "volunteers" already to "defend" Kosovo if Kosova Republik is made official (and they are recruiting as we speak)


p.s. i just hope that albanian kosovars don't start attacking by bosniak peoples because before there were cases of that...i hope they get their head straight and not do anything dumb like that again


If Russia is the only country to veto this the blame for war will be on them, because this time i expect Albania to get involved.

[ARBANITAI]

i've been watching serbian news and they say that there are over 7,000 "volunteers" already to "defend" Kosovo if Kosova Republik is made official (and they are recruiting as we speak)


p.s. i just hope that albanian kosovars don't start attacking by bosniak peoples because before there were cases of that...i hope they get their head straight and not do anything dumb like that again


If Russia is the only country to veto this the blame for war will be on them, because this time i expect Albania to get involved.

Whom are these 7,000 serbs going to fight with :D ?

as we know Nato are safeguarding Kosovas Borders for 8 years now, if they will fight they have to pass over the Nato troops first, before gettin in kosovo, on which i doubt they can :lol:

Anyways kosovar troops are also improoving them selfes slowly they have a police-service and an national Army, but no way will Europe let any other wars in Kosova. and Kosovo Albanians wants it neither. but if the russian use their veto and if the whole idea of independece disappears, then the albanians will probably get pissed of and disagrements will continue for ever..

But Since the war In Kosova and the 8 years later after the war now,
under the UN Administration
The Albanian state hasnt been involved in any of these cases yet, thats because we want europe to know, that we never wanted to take kosova, but we rather are interested for a peacefull and an independent kosova, with all its minority rights living all-together there in peace and harmony with the majority in the new state of Kosova. :)

[Centarfor9]

Whom are these 7,000 serbs going to fight with :D ?

as we know Nato are safeguarding Kosovas Borders for 8 years now, if they will fight they have to pass over the Nato troops first, before gettin in kosovo, on which i doubt they can :lol:

Anyways kosovar troops are also improoving them selfes slowly they have a police-service and an national Army, but no way will Europe let any other wars in Kosova. and Kosovo Albanians wants it neither. but if the russian use their veto and if the whole idea of independece disappears, then the albanians will probably get pissed of and disagrements will continue for ever..

But Since the war In Kosova and the 8 years later after the war now,
under the UN Administration
The Albanian state hasnt been involved in any of these cases yet, thats because we want europe to know, that we never wanted to take kosova, but we rather are interested for a peacefull and an independent kosova, with all its minority rights living all-together there in peace and harmony with the majority in the new state of Kosova. :)
sure why not :)

[Mak]

Here's the only politics you really need to discuss: it isn't getting independence. Sorry to break the news but it ain't happening so get used to living in Serbia. You might complain now, but in the end you'll be happy when you accept it.

[Centarfor9]

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German defense appeals for patience in Kosovo ahead of status decision
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The Associated Press
Thursday, May 3, 2007

PRIZREN, Serbia: Germany's defense minister appealed for patience Thursday at the start of a visit to Kosovo where he will inspect his country's troops deployed in the province as part of the NATO-led peacekeeping force.

Upon the arrival by a military helicopter, Franz Josef Jung stood on top of the ruins of an ancient castle overlooking the southern town of Prizren, where about 2,300 German peacekeepers are stationed. German soldiers have been stationed in Kosovo since mid-1999 when the province was placed under U.N. rule following a NATO air war that halted Serb forces' crackdown on independence-seeking ethnic Albanians.

Some 600 German soldiers, part of NATO's reserve forces, were deployed last month in Kosovo for training.

He was briefed by German military officers at an observation point based in a destroyed Serbian Orthodox chapel and walked through the ruins of a Serbian neighborhood destroyed in 2004 ethnic riots when ethnic Albanian mobs attacked the Serb minority.

Jung said German peacekeepers were committed to maintain security in Kosovo as it awaits the decision on the final status.

"I appeal to people to be patient and wait for the decision," Jung said.
The U.N. Security Council is expected to hold a crucial session on Kosovo this month. It will consider the independence plan prepared by U.N. envoy Martti Ahtisaari, expected to be the basis of a U.N. resolution that could pave the way to the province's independence. The council has the final say over Kosovo's fate.

The plan envisages granting internationally supervised independence to Kosovo, which would remain under EU and U.S. supervision.

The plan faced opposition and skepticism from some members at the U.N. Security Council. The proposal has the support of United States and key European Union states — including Germany, but Russia has implied it could use its veto power in the council if Serbia's interests are not addressed.

U.S. and European Union officials have warned that delaying a resolution on Kosovo's status could trigger another round of interethnic violence between majority Albanians and the minority Serb population there.

"We are trying to get a solution at the Security Council and this we would consider as the best solution. A unilateral declaration of independence would be a mistake for the moment, so let's wait to see what solution will be reached at the Security Council."

After spending the night at the German camp, Jung will travel to Kosovo's capital, Pristina, on Friday for talks with Kosovo's Prime Minister Agim Ceku and President Fatmir Sejdiu.

Ethnic Albanian leaders who demand independence have endorsed the plan, while Serbia strongly opposes the province's secession.

[Sandro1]

The US said: They will Recognize Kosovas Independence.

And while we are in a football froum Kosova will participate in FIFA 2010.

[ARBANITAI]

It would be great if they could participate in 2010. Kosova so far has had good results, they beat monaco 7-1 once and so on..

[Sandro1]

this is a map of 200BC Albania -Illyria & Kosova

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I wonder where is Serbia in this map ????? :lol: :lol:

[ARBANITAI]

that is too early, Even much time before a serb ever set his foot in balcans :p hehe

[Milos_]

I dont see Albania on that map.Where are you guys looking?


You will forever be Serbian citizens,so just live with it:)

[Pape]

your right, its stupid to die for a country who is not yours, and is not inhabited by your own countrymen..

yet its still the goverments and the leaders of the world whom from chair command their citizen ppl to war ???!!!! NO WAY!!!

are you deaf? and why do 5 people use your IP address?

[Al-Arabiya]

KOSOVAREPORT
THE LATEST NEWS AND DAILY POLITICAL ANALYSIS FROM KOSOVA

Monday, October 17, 2005
Why Kosova needs independence? - Veton Surroi

Author: Veton Surroi, member of the Kosovar delegation for status talks and the Chairman of ORA

Veton Surroi
1.

Independence of Kosova is not a matter of flag, anthem or emblem. It is not a matter of Battle of Kosovo or Illyrian-Dardanian continuity, either. Neither is a matter of isolation from the others. In the 21st century, the independence of Kosova is a matter of management, security and of prospect.

Let us begin with management. This is a territory that after so many conflicts, that culminated with the attempted genocide against the Albanian majority, has reached a stage of maturity that requires it to be managed by its inhabitants. This has been called and is called self-determination; but within the context here, let us name it simply in a business term, management. Of course, one can say that this can be corporative management; thus Kosova can be part of a bigger enterprise, of Serbia and Montenegro, for example, but the answer to this is simple. The big corporation, the socialist Yugoslavia has bankrupted and separate enterprises have derived from it. Some of them, e.g. Slovenia and Croatia, with extraordinary success, while some others, e.g. Bosnia and Herzegovina, still deficient. Serbia and Montenegro is a small corporation on the verge of bankruptcy, and as such not attractive to anyone, not even its constitutive enterprises.

But, there is one other successful corporation, the EU. However, a prerequisite for an enterprise to become a part of this corporation is to be healthy, on the one hand, and to have solved all legal- ownership-issues. Kosova, as a European territory, is interested in becoming a part of the EU, but in order to reach that goal, it has to define its “legal-ownership issues”, first. This simply means that the definition of Kosova’s status as an independent state should be perceived as a priority for the possibility of adherence into EU. So, Kosova is becoming independent though not to be isolated by other European nations and states, but in order to join the other European nations and states, including the Serb in the future.

2.

Why is it a matter of security?

In the 21st century, the experience of the 20th century was understood, and this is experience is that source of insecurity, both on the global and local level, are countries that have failed. Two examples are sufficient: former Yugoslavia, whose failure became a source of the biggest insecurity on the European continent after the World War II, and Afghanistan, which as a failed country had become a training heaven for international terrorism.

Vice versa, functional states represent the source of regional and global security. The only way how Kosovo can guarantee security for its citizens, and at the same be a guarantee for regional security, is through its own functional state. Kosovo in no way can be part of a Serbian state. This has been proven by all means, including even extreme violence, and it has been proven as a failed project, even to the extent that Serbia cannot still become a functional state, suffering the consequences of its own fascism, as a driving ideology for the for annexation of Kosovo in that time.

3.

Finally, it is a matter of prospect. In any segment of life, there is a need for fundamentals upon which the future is to be built.

In economy, for example, it has been proven that the can be no economic development without property being defined. Accordingly, in the overall development of Kosova, there can be forward steps unless the character of the state is defined. As long as there’s duality as far as the nature of state, there will be dual interpretation of its legal order, and duality on the fundamental issues, such as the assurance of the economic investments. We have seen this in Kosova during the six years with UNMIK, where the lack of defined power, and the resulting duality, have in fact brought enormous stagnation in the development of institutions, democracy and economy.. When it is unclear who is responsible in government, the whole chain of responsibility is lost, thus the nature of democracy and the power of the vote of sovereign, the citizen.

Therefore, Kosovo should become independent in order to build a democratic future of a responsible government and a future of economic development.

4.

I am aware that in Serbia, which in fact is the only country opposing Kosovo’s independence, there is a completely different approach, and that other entirely different argument are in play. I know that would bring about voices telling me: ”How would you protect Kosovo Serbs with these three principles of yours?” The answer is very simple: So far, all models that exclude the majority population taking full responsibilities have been used. The result for the Serbs was catastrophic; Milosevic made of them colonial administrators, and this put Kosova Serbs into a specific historical position to be regarded as a fifth colon in their country, new Kosova.

Let us try a model that prevailed in the united Europe, that of the majority population taking responsibility, in a democratic and functional state.

[Bosnian Unit]

At the end of the day i just dont get it.

If all Euro countries are gonna join EU, why would they seperate ?

Are they thinking what im thinkig ?

Like EU will not be forever for example :D . Then why create something that will not work?

Its not just about Kosovo, its also about Baskia,Catalonia,Scotland and some Serbian ''dream'' lands etc.

Why then waste time to join EU, everyone should work on fixing its own backyard.


Lets face it.......EU will not work, and will never be like USA. USA is something really great, with 50 states you can go anywhere without passaport or inspection when crossing into other state etc...That will never happend in EU.........Plus in USA there is just one language, and in EU there will be over 40 languages if everyone joins.

The only sad thing about USA is they are run by facist government, other then that it would really be (as they like to say) the FREE/DREAM LAND !

But at the end nobady/nothing is perfect(Russia,China,EU,India etc.. would be the same, if not worse

[poutismalakas]

Another great thing about the US is that every 8 years max you get new government!

[Bosnian Unit]

Another great thing about the US is that every 8 years max you get new government!

Well, i would not agree on that one becouse doesnt matter wich government is (republican/democrat) at the end of the day they all work for most powerfull people in USA who run that country and most of the world.

Those people are makeing decisions, not US government even tough we like to (or we are use to) blame it on government.

[Bigpappys_gun]

Well, i would not agree on that one becouse doesnt matter wich government is (republican/democrat) at the end of the day they all work for most powerfull people in USA who run that country and most of the world.

Those people are makeing decisions, not US government even tough we like to (or we are use to) blame it on government.

I think i know where ur going with this LOL

[negotin19300]

Why is it that you everyone doesn't learn by example of how the Vlache; separate from Greece to Austria, Croatia to Romania and all inbetween can not complain to be in Yugoslavia. Stop complaining, earn your money to live in society without always blaming Serbs for all your problems. If Vlache take over --the Balkans would be renamed and reclaimed.
Soccer and politics------stop it and move on, soccer players don't need this propaganda in a forum.
Respect our differences, no threat is there.
FYI--most dangerous roads to travel are in Kosovo (Vlache need to teach the "ethnic whateverers" a thing or to on TOLERANCE. Serbs marry Muslim no problem...they accept everyone.
PEACE please---lets watch soccer together and get a good feeling of acceptance when we were YUGOSLAVS. The most democratic country, Yugoslavia in all of the "iron curtain"---I learned a lot in the JNA--all religions are treated with respect.
Thanks for reading my post. TOLERANCE