World Cup 2010

[Slavenik]

WC 2010 in Africa, Baltter confirms.

[Matthias]

that would be a mistake, trust me. They might as well host the WC in Albania

[FANTA]

wtf ??

don't they have to go through all candidates and things like that ?? they just GAVE it to africa ??

IMO they don't deserve it !

how many riots, fights, police with tear gas, stadium seat collapses, DEATHS etc etc have we seen all through the african qualifying !!?!?

why them ?? who will be the HOST ? theres more than just one african country. nigeria and cameroon are the only decent ones they have. is this like a korea/japan kinda deal but with africa ?

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE ?!?!?!? :confused:

[Tiffany]

Its true. I think it is a new approach being adapted by FIFA. Instead of the usual procedures the tornament is being rotated to the various federations (UEFA, Africa etc ). Africa will be first in 2010. Methinks it will S. Africa first because they have the facilities and did a good job with the Rugby World Cup. I'm not going though. Do you know that Johannesburg and Cape Town are 1 and 2 in the most dangerous cities in the world. A person is killed there every 30 minutes. Bon Chance!

[Garrincha]

Well, the rotation system is necessary. We can't very well have Cups in Europe every eight years. It's not reasonable. AND it's unfair advantage to the European teams, who play with home crowds all the time - said teams having NEVER won any Cups outside of Europe.

And in terms of danger and violence, England's hooligans, not to mention their German and Italian counterparts, put on quite a show during WC '98. Remember the riots? :bloody:

Sure there'll be risks. But there'll be security too, and other continents have the right to watch the WC as well. There will be less Europeans, but more Africans will be able to watch it.

The fact is, it pisses the WHOLE WORLD off when the rotation is thrown out the window (as it is every eight years, and as they're planning to do for the 2014 Cup). There's going to be a WC in Europe in 2006 - Germany, right? The next European-based World Cup should be in 2026. Do the math: one in Africa (2010), one in, say, South America (2014), one in Asia (yes, because the rotation starts at Germany, so that's 2018), one in North/central America (2022). That leads to the next WC in Europe being in 2026 (we're not considering Australia as a viable option, as you'll notice, and if we do, Europe gets another WC only in 2030). Does anybody believe they'll respect the rotation? I don't.

[Matthias]

Not having a European World Cup untill 2030!! AHAHHAAHA yeah right thats like saying that they wont hold the super bowl in america for 50 years!!!!!!!:ronaldo:

Europe has the highest concentration of powerful football nations all in a relatively short distance away from eachother......Also thats where the most $$$ for football is.

If they hold it in Africa it will cost lots of money because of all the travelling to get to the venues.

I say that they keep the old system, it has worked just fine for the last century! I mean, should they change the Olympics now too????

[Garrincha]

First of all, I did not mean that I BELIEVE the rotation system will be respected. It's just the right thing. It IS something FIFA has promised to do, as delegates from all around the world have their say in the decision. They want the Cup for their countries, too, and there are always three or four good candidates from around the world. Not a train ride away from your house, maybe, but a train ride away from somebody else's.

The whole world wants the Cup, and it's not Europe's party, as you seem to assume. "thats like saying that they wont hold the super bowl in america for 50 years". What's that supposed to mean, man? The Superbowl is the American National Football League's finals, not the WORLD CUP. Is there some problem in grasping the concept of "world" here? Or is it too thick?

The Europeans haven't even dominated the Cups as much as you seem to believe, throughout WC history. Altogether there were eight European titles, against seven South American titles. That particular score was tied until '98, and considering Europe has never, EVER won a Cup outside of Europe, that might change next year.
;)

[Walter BC]

I agree with you Garrincha, the WC should be evenly divided throughout the world. It's not one continents privilege to host this event more times than the other. Just by saying that we Europeans may have more money and with that more quality football, that doesn't give us the right to act selfishly. All the world deserves to host such events as WC is. I'm not an expert, so I leave the decission, wich sistem of giving the organisation to a certain country/continent is better, to others. Once I have closer to the event, next time someone else, that's the way it should be.

As they say in the spot for the WC 2002 ONE WORLD ONE CUP !!!!

Stay cool :kiss:

:) :rolling: :D :rolling: :)

[Matthias]

If the cup was staged in South America or Mexico that would be fine, these nations are football hungry too, and they would all provide a good cup atmosphere. As for Africa or Asia holding Cups, I am not really for that because they do not have the passion for the sport like Europeans and South Americans do.

[Dynamo_Milan]

Like always Garrincha made a good point and I totally agree as well.
And I also believe that the rotation system is not going to be respected, b/c it is a bit more complicated that “just the right thing to do” and money playing not the last part here.

But this matter has nothing to do with European and South American rivalry.
Garrincha man, we honestly know how great Brazil was, is, and will be, so you don’t have to through it in our faces all the time.

[Slavenik]

I forgot that i wrote this threat. It is going to South America for sure. Europe, USA and Asia all have been hosts of the World Cups, so now is Africas turn.

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by Garrincha
Altogether there were eight European titles, against seven South American titles. That particular score was tied until '98, and considering Europe has never, EVER won a Cup outside of Europe, that might change next year.
;)

Of course, that information was wrong. So, for the sake of correction, both South America and Europe have 8 titles.
Italy has 3, Germany has 3, France has 1, England also has 1.
Brazil has 4, Argentina has 2, Uruguay has 2.

So it's all tied up.

I don't mean this as "boasting" or anything, as I agree there's no point in that. Just clearing up an incorrect information I posted myself. I also agree that rivalry has NOTHING to do with the Cup rotation system. It's a completely diferent topic. OK? Be cool, everyone.

[Mato]

As you said Garrincha, that kind of rotation is very unlikely to take effective place given the amount of power the UEFA confederacy has. I used to be resentful towards Havelange, but now i guess it's even worse........

[Matthias]

UEFA is where it's at for football.

[Severus]

the states is going to get it again very soon. there's too much money there for them to be denied.

[Matthias]

Yeah so they can qualify automatically and get humiliated by a third world country like Iran

[Severus]

possibly.

i have my own agenda for wanting it to go to the US though. geographic reasons of course cos i'm from toronto.

[Matthias]

and i have my reasons for wanting it to be in Europe, geographic reasons as well :ronaldo::ronaldo::ronaldo:

[Slavenik]

Well about the states being the host, there is a big chance. 2014 maybe.hehehe. Thats the free year.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Matthias
and i have my reasons for wanting it to be in Europe, geographic reasons as well :ronaldo::ronaldo::ronaldo:

that's fantastic. thanks for sharing that with us.

[Matthias]

whats with the sarcasm? you think you're a pretty funny shit now dont you??

[Severus]

no i don't actually. what would give you that impression there sonny boy ?

[Matthias]

come on.... don't bullshit me...dad :ronaldo:

[Severus]

dad ? i wont even bother because it'd be too easy

[Matthias]

Ahhh yes, it would be easy now, probably a reply having to do with my mother sleeping around, and me not knowing who my father is because I'm calling you "dad".........Simple joke for a simple mind.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Matthias
Ahhh yes, it would be easy now, probably a reply having to do with my mother sleeping around, and me not knowing who my father is because I'm calling you "dad

you said it not me

[Matthias]

ahhhh smart alec....

[Slavenik]

you think you're a pretty funny shit now dont you??

It wasnt funny to me.

[Mato]

You guys take yourselves too seriously.......anyone could have seen that first one coming........

[Rivaldø]

Originally posted by Matthias
UEFA is where it's at for football.

Yeah, but sadly your european players arent as good as south american ones. The best players in the world today are south americans. if your championships were suddenly forbidden to use south americans, the level would just DROP.

I mean, if uefa is so good, they shouldnt need so many imported players. You europeans have the money but very little talent.

Dont give me your "european stars". Veron is better than Zidane, R9 and Batistuta are better than Figo, Juan is better than any other defender in the world. European stars are like Beckham: products of a media hungry for idols.

[Matthias]

Ok. Why are the two highest paid players European then? Figo and Zidane. As for talent, I would be hard pressed to say one continent has higher talent then others.... Don't forget that European leagues DO have domestic talent..... the limit of Foreign players on one English team is 3 Non-EU players. 3 players DO NOT make a team.

Veron is not such an amazing talent as he was played out to be and MUFC are kicking themselves for signing him,..and letting go of Stam, one of the best defenders in the world...

[Garrincha]

Are you kidding? Veron is the finest midfielder in the game today. He's simply the best, definitely superior to Zidane.

And while I don't agree with Rivaldo (who should switch to decaf) the reason Figo and Zidane are beter paid is the same reason their transfer fees are more expensive: They're EU players. An European player will always be more expensive than a non-EU player with the exact same qualities, because he doesn't cut into the foreigner limitations. Therefore, he's potentially a more valuable asset.

And Figo and Zidane, specifically, are the highest-paid players ion the game today because they BOTH signed new superstar contracts shortly after being receiving their "golden boots" and "MVP" and "this dude rocks!" awards, which increased their market value AND their negotiation leverage. Real hired the two when they were at the peak of valuation. So it's understandable that they have the best contracts; they were hired as hot property.

[ItalianBoy]

First off Veron its an opinion. I mean to me he is good but when it comes to contrast he gets out of the way. I think that Beckham is definately the best there is in the middle now. And plus Zidane is the highest paid but fiog is not the second one. I think also Totti and Del Piero get a lot. more than Figo I read it somwhere. :D

[Joey]

Let me ay one thing quickly.. i think that the Wc should be held in africa, because i went and worked in South africa for year and their city is more spectaular than any other i say.. i have lived in USA for 8 years, in paris and in brazil and in england and egypt, and i tell u the city of jahansuburg is wicked.. they may have some humna rights prolems but hey.. china has a lot and they are taking the olimpics. But to be honest no body respectssssss FIFA anymore and nothing will go ahead.. I mean germnay beat SA who had a better bid, simply because they are european and have more power. That and fifa are scared to stage it in SA, and then they would have a very low buyrate and many countries would be scared to send its top 22 players there.. so its kinda of a no man's land place for FIFA who are under a lot of pressur.. and why.. i simply don't know becasue i can truly tell u that fifa has lost a lot of power and don't have the guts to stand up anymore.:D :D

[ItalianBoy]

As no one will deny that SAFRICA is a nice place, still you have to see the problems that might come. Especially now. I mean in china its almost impossible that they will have terrorist attacks, thats why Rome didnt make it in the Olympics. Cuz they are one of those countries that, since we have so much liberty, anyone can get in and out. Like the USA. And we dont know how the organization will be in SAF. No offense but I feel, "safer" having the WC in Japan and in Korea.