Ersun Yanal to Lask of Austria...

[kanaryamerika]

Milli Takım sonrası görev yaptığı Vestel Manisaspor'dan da ayrılan Ersun Yanal'a Avusturya'dan teklif geldi.
31.03.2007

Bir dönem Rıza Çalımbay ile de temas kuran ikinci lig ekibi Lask, şimdi de Yanal'ın peşine düştü. Şu an lider durumda bulunan ve birinci lige çıkmasına kesin gözüyle bakılan Linz kentinin takımı, başarılı teknik adamı görüşme için önümüzdeki hafta Viyana'ya davet etti. Tolunay Kafkas da geçmiş yıllarda Lask takımında forma giymişti.

[Fenerliyim]

I say thats a bad career move, going to a second division club in Austria.

[kanaryamerika]

yeah but who will hire him in turkey? none of the big teams will. and he quits every team he goes to. why is it that his teams always start well, then totally crash and then he quits.

[cengo]

You cant be real when you say he quits at every team he goes to....seriously?

He was first transferred to Ankaragücü and made them a really strong side. He was than transferred by Ilhan CavCav to Genclerbirligi....and we know how succesful he was there going very far in the Uefa Cup beating sides like Parma, Blackburn, Sporting Lisabon and even Valencia.

He was then chosen to become the NT coach and did a good job. But the media, bjk fans and gs fans tore him down because sükür wasnt playing and some ceratin bjk players.

But the real problem was that Ersun Yanal called up more Fenerbahce players than gs and bjk player.....pure jealousy.

he was sacked and took over Vestel which he also made a strong team out of until Meduna had to leave because of his heartproblems....to this you can add problems with Zelenka and Johana who were left outside the team because of poor discipline.

Without these players it was obvious that Vestel would fail to win games...

So before saying that he quits at every team he goes to you'd be better off if you did some research first....:)

[Fenerliyim]

plus V.Manisa sold Caner Erkin as well. And Arda had gone back to GS

[footy_]

He quit every team that he worked..
thats not good view for his backround.


ps:

I do agree, to going Austria second division,is not smart move.

he should try maybe same like Mustafa Denizli or Senol Gunes way..
K league or J League would be very fit for him.


good luck where ever he goes to.

[kanaryamerika]

You cant be real when you say he quits at every team he goes to....seriously?

He was first transferred to Ankaragücü and made them a really strong side. He was than transferred by Ilhan CavCav to Genclerbirligi....and we know how succesful he was there going very far in the Uefa Cup beating sides like Parma, Blackburn, Sporting Lisabon and even Valencia.

He was then chosen to become the NT coach and did a good job. But the media, bjk fans and gs fans tore him down because sükür wasnt playing and some ceratin bjk players.

But the real problem was that Ersun Yanal called up more Fenerbahce players than gs and bjk player.....pure jealousy.

he was sacked and took over Vestel which he also made a strong team out of until Meduna had to leave because of his heartproblems....to this you can add problems with Zelenka and Johana who were left outside the team because of poor discipline.

Without these players it was obvious that Vestel would fail to win games...

So before saying that he quits at every team he goes to you'd be better off if you did some research first....:)

sorry my friend its you who should research. all of these jobs are only half the coin...if you look on the other side you will see, he quit most of these jobs before he was finished so he could be available for the next season. he did the same this year. things worked out great for him at vestel. he could quit with ease and still look good, and would not be respoinsible for vestels total second half failure.

[footy_]

sorry my friend its you who should research. all of these jobs are only half the coin...if you look on the other side you will see, he quit most of these jobs before he was finished so he could be available for the next season. he did the same this year. things worked out great for him at vestel. he could quit with ease and still look good, and would not be respoinsible for vestels total second half failure.

I second agree on that.

[TurkishMoon]

Kardaslar

Lask is going to promote to the first league

thats the reason the club is looking for a top coach

Ersun Yanal is a fine coach

i hope he will sign.

[Fenerliyim]

It doesnt matter, Austria's league is worst than ours. He needs a better team in a better league

[TurkishMoon]

Well he had offers from Schalke and FC Koln before in December 2006

but he snubbed them because he wanted to stay with Vestel

if Austria doesnt fit him he should go to the Korean league.

[cengo]

sorry my friend its you who should research. all of these jobs are only half the coin...if you look on the other side you will see, he quit most of these jobs before he was finished so he could be available for the next season. he did the same this year. things worked out great for him at vestel. he could quit with ease and still look good, and would not be respoinsible for vestels total second half failure.

How ignorant can you become?

He never quit anywhere in his life....he was transferred to Ankaragücü. He was transferred to Genclerbirligi and he was then handed the job as the NT coach...if you call that quitting Genclerbirligi than that has to be your ignorance and nothing else.

He was sacked from the NT and he was sacked from Vestel....never and i repeat never did he quit his job.

His move from Ankaragücü to Gencler was talked a lot because cavcav made a similar deal with Yanal the way Fenerbahce did with Deniz Baris and cause a lot of fuzz.

Again....reserach is needed before you talk about people.

[footy_]

What does it mean : resignation ?

[kanaryamerika]

How ignorant can you become?

He never quit anywhere in his life....he was transferred to Ankaragücü. He was transferred to Genclerbirligi and he was then handed the job as the NT coach...if you call that quitting Genclerbirligi than that has to be your ignorance and nothing else.

He was sacked from the NT and he was sacked from Vestel....never and i repeat never did he quit his job.

His move from Ankaragücü to Gencler was talked a lot because cavcav made a similar deal with Yanal the way Fenerbahce did with Deniz Baris and cause a lot of fuzz.

Again....reserach is needed before you talk about people.


Why are you getting mad? You have your version I have mine. Why do you feel the need to defend him so much?I don't care either way. In my opinoin he is a moderately succesful guy. He has no tangible success. How many "full" seasons has he completed anywhere? Whether he got fired, quit, whatever, he doesn't finish seasons with teams. Don't you think that means something? Once, ok, twice ok, but so many times, it's suspicious. Also, why are there so many rumors of misconduct etc around him and not other turkish coaches like ertugrul saglam, aykut kocaman, riza calimbay etc? he has a good image, but something is missing.

[Fenerliyim]

What does it mean : resignation ?

istifa etmek

[cengo]

Why are you getting mad? You have your version I have mine. Why do you feel the need to defend him so much?I don't care either way. In my opinoin he is a moderately succesful guy. He has no tangible success. How many "full" seasons has he completed anywhere? Whether he got fired, quit, whatever, he doesn't finish seasons with teams. Don't you think that means something? Once, ok, twice ok, but so many times, it's suspicious. Also, why are there so many rumors of misconduct etc around him and not other turkish coaches like ertugrul saglam, aykut kocaman, riza calimbay etc? he has a good image, but something is missing.


Im not mad but im once again dissapointed how Turkish fans are unaware of things despite us talking about football almost every day.

Trust me i dont care much about Ersun Yanal, but i cant stand seeing people making up things about someone.

You are still saying that he doesnt have any success and i cant belive what im reading.

I dont think you were old enough (the only reason i see) to remember his time with Ankaragücü where they all of a sudden became one of the better sides in the league with Ersun Yanal as coach. Hé became 4th and 6th in his two years with Ankaragücü. Before he came, Ankaragücü ended 13th in the league.

He was then transferred by Cavcav to rivals Genclerbirligi. He finnished in 3rd place that season. Next season he took his side to the quarterfinals of the Uefa Cup beating teams like Blackburn, Sporting Lisabon. Parma and Valencia in the first leg. Valencia advanced after overtime play....that year Valencia won the Uefa Cup.

He did this with a weak team like Gencler.

And you are saying he has no tangible succes.

He made a great team out of the newcomer Vestel or did you miss that as well...?

He was the leader of the league unttil we beat them. Then they lost their most important player Meduna because of a tragic heart disease. Like this wasnt enough they had to suspend players like Zelenka and Johana because of internal problems and they sold their best talent Caner Erkin to CSKA Moscow....so you dont have to be an einstein to understand why they failed in the second round of the league.

He has completed almost every season he has started....the only one he hasnt completed is this years season so i really dont know where you are getting your information from!!!

You talk highly about Ertugrul Saglam, Riza Calimbay and Aykut Kocaman-

I can agree with Ertugrul i like his football and his character but Riza Calimbay?

Isnt he the man who left his Rizespor in the middle of the season to coach Besiktas....when he faild he went to Ankaraspor. He failed there as well and is now coaching coaching once agaun Rizespor. That is 4 clubs in 2 years....amazing!

And maybe you dont know but Rizespor is about to get relegated.

What about Aykut...i love him for his time at Fenerbahce but as a coach he is nothing special. No succes in the league and nothing outside of Türkiye. Coached Konyaspor for a couple of years and now Ankaraspor.....both teams having no success.

It's so obvious that Ersun Yanal is the better coach but for some reason you deny this....despite the facts layed in front of you.

[kanaryamerika]

Im not mad but im once again dissapointed how Turkish fans are unaware of things despite us talking about football almost every day.

Trust me i dont care much about Ersun Yanal, but i cant stand seeing people making up things about someone.

You are still saying that he doesnt have any success and i cant belive what im reading.

I dont think you were old enough (the only reason i see) to remember his time with Ankaragücü where they all of a sudden became one of the better sides in the league with Ersun Yanal as coach. Hé became 4th and 6th in his two years with Ankaragücü. Before he came, Ankaragücü ended 13th in the league.

He was then transferred by Cavcav to rivals Genclerbirligi. He finnished in 3rd place that season. Next season he took his side to the quarterfinals of the Uefa Cup beating teams like Blackburn, Sporting Lisabon. Parma and Valencia in the first leg. Valencia advanced after overtime play....that year Valencia won the Uefa Cup.

He did this with a weak team like Gencler.

And you are saying he has no tangible succes.

He made a great team out of the newcomer Vestel or did you miss that as well...?

He was the leader of the league unttil we beat them. Then they lost their most important player Meduna because of a tragic heart disease. Like this wasnt enough they had to suspend players like Zelenka and Johana because of internal problems and they sold their best talent Caner Erkin to CSKA Moscow....so you dont have to be an einstein to understand why they failed in the second round of the league.

He has completed almost every season he has started....the only one he hasnt completed is this years season so i really dont know where you are getting your information from!!!

You talk highly about Ertugrul Saglam, Riza Calimbay and Aykut Kocaman-

I can agree with Ertugrul i like his football and his character but Riza Calimbay?

Isnt he the man who left his Rizespor in the middle of the season to coach Besiktas....when he faild he went to Ankaraspor. He failed there as well and is now coaching coaching once agaun Rizespor. That is 4 clubs in 2 years....amazing!

And maybe you dont know but Rizespor is about to get relegated.

What about Aykut...i love him for his time at Fenerbahce but as a coach he is nothing special. No succes in the league and nothing outside of Türkiye. Coached Konyaspor for a couple of years and now Ankaraspor.....both teams having no success.

It's so obvious that Ersun Yanal is the better coach but for some reason you deny this....despite the facts layed in front of you.

I am in fact old enough (unfortunately). But i guess my idea of success is different. if you mean success for a "small team" or "small coach" or some sort of disclaimer, he is successful. But if you take some stranger off the street and give Ersun Yanal's credentials, he is not successful.

He did not reach the quarter finals in teh UEFA. he reached the 4th round. big difference. When i mentioned the other coaches I suppose what i meant to say was, if you were going to say the media doesn't like Turkish coaches or something, they have nothing against them. Not that thet are terribly great or anything. back to yanal...

like I said he has lots of near success but that's it. Some mediocre results are not good enough to make him good. also consistency is important. i think in turkey we are too quick to judge someone a success. after a few ganmes everyone (players too) are the best in the world. i thiknk people should prove themselves over time and at an international level before we say they are great. I have nothing against yanal, just don't see what he's done to be good. maybe someday he will. If he wins the league, advances to 1/4 finals in europe, even wins the Turkish cup I may start thinking he's good. Do it again, and I will say he is good.

[Fenerliyim]

He made the 4th round of the UEFA cup with a mediocre team from the TSL, thats a big difference from taking FB,GS,BJK there. U dont have the money, or quality to take u there, u need to have a good coach

[cengo]

I am in fact old enough (unfortunately). But i guess my idea of success is different. if you mean success for a "small team" or "small coach" or some sort of disclaimer, he is successful. But if you take some stranger off the street and give Ersun Yanal's credentials, he is not successful.

He did not reach the quarter finals in teh UEFA. he reached the 4th round. big difference. When i mentioned the other coaches I suppose what i meant to say was, if you were going to say the media doesn't like Turkish coaches or something, they have nothing against them. Not that thet are terribly great or anything. back to yanal...

like I said he has lots of near success but that's it. Some mediocre results are not good enough to make him good. also consistency is important. i think in turkey we are too quick to judge someone a success. after a few ganmes everyone (players too) are the best in the world. i thiknk people should prove themselves over time and at an international level before we say they are great. I have nothing against yanal, just don't see what he's done to be good. maybe someday he will. If he wins the league, advances to 1/4 finals in europe, even wins the Turkish cup I may start thinking he's good. Do it again, and I will say he is good.

Yes it was the 4th round....my bad. If he had beaten valencia he would be in the quarter final. Does that make it worse....he beat sides Fenerbahce and the other big clubs always fail to beat....and with a much weaker side.

He actually beat the Uefa Champion Valencia in the first game and lost in overtime.....yeah he sucks.

If you can do this with a weak side than you are a good coach....

But if these are mediocre results how can you compare him with coaches like ertugrul, riza and aykut who hasnt achieved a 10th of what ersun has done.

Or better....why was he chosen to be the NT coach and not the other three?

Surely he must have made something to earn that spot.


Again...what is it that makes riza, ertugrul and aykut a better coach than Ersun. Imo they dont even come close...

[TurkishMoon]

You forgot Riza Calimbay's run as Denizlispor coach

he eliminated teams like: FC Lorient, Sparta Prague (Czech Champions) and Olympique Lyon (French Champions)

his Denizlispor was beaten by FC Porto (UEFA Cup winners in 2003 and Champions of Portugal)

Riza made a big mistake to join Besiktas

the team was alreay messed up by Del Bosque.