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Bosnian Unit

11-15-2007, 07:56 PM

This is from 1997......
Saturday, December 20, 1997 Published at 08:29 GMT
BBC

QUOTE:
The US army, which has just annouced its intention to remain in Bosnia beyond the previously agreed withdrawal date, says that within three years it will take the Bosnians up to Nato standard both technically and operationally.

QUOTE:
The Bosnian army had fewer than 10 tanks during the war: now it has hundreds.

Americans are long gone now, so is 1997.....and we are stronger then ever, even Dodik said there will be no war, becoue there is nothing to fight the war with.....he knows they would be whiped out in few weeks !

Bosnian Croats are quiet, becouse Croatia will not risk its EU memberships becouse of 10% of you guys in Bosnia, they never liked you anyways......i dont know why are you talking ? Speceily when Bosnian Croats dont play any IMPORTANT political role in this country.

Bosnian Unit

11-15-2007, 08:06 PM

Saraj Fanático

11-16-2007, 01:15 AM

ArBiH may not be amongst the strongest of armies but it has one thing so many armies lack, which is balls. Plus I think a war right now would send RS back a couple centuries.

I think if Kosovo gets confirmed independence this December, RS will fall shortly after that. Have you ever come to think that Europe perhaps set this up? Think about it, they end the war just as ArBiH is advancing into RS (Europe spared so much Cetnik blood its unbelievable), they came up with the Dayton Agreement. Milosevic felt like a legend when he signed the Agreement. Now, what if, Europe gave RS its own authorities to make Milosevic believe that he can get the same thing from Kosovo? What if they used RS as motivation for Milosevic to attack Kosovo (Thinking he will gain something there also), and by attacking Kosovo, Europe got the green light to bombard Belgrade. I honestly think all of this was a plan in motion that would get Kosovo to its independence. And after Kosovo gets independence (if that is) I predict that RS will be demolished. makes perfect sense. Even though I think RS is destined to fall because they have no excuse for Independence, if I personally can predict a time of its decline I think its sometime after Kosovo is settled with.

Ero

11-16-2007, 09:46 AM

O yea i forgot Ero is in diaspora somewhere......Australia probably and he want to change things from there :lol: .

Come on man, it was people like you who left Croats without power in BIH.

There was 700.000 of Bosnian Croats before war in BIH, now there is not even 300.000 !

You all went to Croatia,Germay or Australia and God knows where else. You cant change anything from there, and you will probably never come back.I would not be surprised if you hold the citizenship of the country that you live in now. So you have no rights to vote or anything....you said it yourself, we choosed your president :smoking: .

He is a great guy, we need patriots like that....and for the health of this beautiful country its good that people like you are far away.

Are you happy that the Croatian population dropped by 50%? (no answer needed) if we were given the republic we ***king deserved and fought for our population wouldnt of changed. The diaspora did so much for Croatia and HB are you kidding me. So much needed money to fund our army was sent from the Ustaska dijaspora. Oh i will come back in a black kosulja when war hits the country again.

And its people like you that are the reason Croats never liked and trusted the converts and never will! bullshit allies... you are and were our biggest enemies.

Pape

11-16-2007, 03:19 PM

LOL this thread is just too damn funny

Dinoinho

11-16-2007, 04:03 PM

The only reason the war was stopped is because if it had lasted another few weeks, there would be no RS, we got back the Bihac pocket from the Serbs (I dont consider Fikret Abdic a Bosnian) and we were gaining back land everywere else. Ero if there was another war, BiH would win. They would have international spport, and with the technology we have now there is no way we could lose, ony thing that ***ked us before is the Arms enbargo.

Centarfor9

11-16-2007, 04:08 PM

Ero study up on your backgroud and where you come from - use only Croatian sources (Zagreb seems to be the intellectual center for Croats and see what they say) :)

thank you I'll be staying here all week :yo:

Bosnian Unit

11-16-2007, 11:42 PM

Are you happy that the Croatian population dropped by 50%? (no answer needed) if we were given the republic we ***king deserved and fought for our population wouldnt of changed. The diaspora did so much for Croatia and HB are you kidding me. So much needed money to fund our army was sent from the Ustaska dijaspora. Oh i will come back in a black kosulja when war hits the country again.

And its people like you that are the reason Croats never liked and trusted the converts and never will! bullshit allies... you are and were our biggest enemies.

I will be waithing, and by the time you come back it will drop by 30% more JUST BECOUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU !

Saraj Fanático

11-16-2007, 11:54 PM

Are you happy that the Croatian population dropped by 50%? (no answer needed) if we were given the republic we ***king deserved and fought for our population wouldnt of changed. The diaspora did so much for Croatia and HB are you kidding me. So much needed money to fund our army was sent from the Ustaska dijaspora. Oh i will come back in a black kosulja when war hits the country again.

And its people like you that are the reason Croats never liked and trusted the converts and never will! bullshit allies... you are and were our biggest enemies.

I suggest you stop looking for a flame war from other members. I clearly see what you are doing. And please not again with the Herceg Stjepan story. :lol:

Its just amazing how strong your words are when they are coming from the other side of the world.

Pape

11-17-2007, 12:06 AM

Awww Croats and Bosniaks fighting :lol: I always thought you guys were the best of friends.

Saraj Fanático

11-17-2007, 12:32 AM

Croat??? Where!?

Pape

11-17-2007, 01:18 AM

Should we get one thing clear? I have had family members in all 3 armies in the war off 90s and all of them will tell you that 90% if not more of the people in each of those armies did not want to be there and none of those people were going around yelling FREEDOM!!! and shooting their guns in hollywood fassion fighting for some bullshit politicians. Instead none of them wanted to have a gun in their hands...

Saraj Fanático

11-17-2007, 01:38 AM

^ The VRS fighters had a choice (Pick up a gun and join the butchers or live in peace), while ArBiH fighters didn't (Kill or be killed).

FR Sloboda

11-17-2007, 01:48 AM

Awww Croats and Bosniaks fighting :lol: I always thought you guys were the best of friends.

We are the best of friends, I even dated a croat girl once:)

its just the herceg traitors that start problems because no one likes them even croats in croatia dont like them or even croats as a whole in BiH.

Ero just listens to Serb propaganda aimed at making croats and bosnjaks fight so that croats get busted completly and slightly weaken the Bosnjaks so that RS can become more powerful.

Ero is in a minority of facist people and if they start any trouble they would all be thrown into the sea and live as pirates as nobody would accept them.

Pape

11-17-2007, 01:52 AM

.....

The fact is we suffered the most, we didnt even had army at the begining of war, and all of the sudden we had to fight Serbs and our own Fikret Abdic army......why would we start anything against Croats while allready we was fighting on two fronts. We didnt nore did we had man and military power for such a thing. The fact is we didnt, and whole world knows that, just like whole world knows that Serbs attacked Croatia,Bosnia,Kosovo but still somehow Serb would never agree with that, all they will say is you guys started first so we had to deffend wich is bullshit, and propaganda.

If you was deffending then why attack Jablanica for example wich was 90% populated by Bosniaks ?

Even villages Sovici,Doljani in Opstina Jablanica the city of Konjic etc...

I would like to see you stand in front of a Fikret Abdic supporter and say "our own Fikret Abdic army"... :lol: :lol: It's a shame you tried to cleanse your own people, its even a bigger shame that Fikret Abdic won the peoples vote over Izetbegovic to be President, and Izetbegovic, the ultimate puppet of the West (the West you love so much and Alija as their best friend) was put into power by that West (you love so and agree with so much these days :lol:) and put Bosniaks into all the shit they went through.

Sadly I don't think the direction Alija took you, you wanted or had in mind when you chose to leave Yugoslavia but you do praise his heroics today. For me praising him is like seeing you in a state of denial for that mistake. Not all the Bosniaks took that route and those whom supported Fikret Abdic through the thick and thin live alot more proudly today and like Serbs more than you or the Croats...

Pape

11-17-2007, 01:55 AM

We are the best of friends, I even dated a croat girl once:)

its just the herceg traitors that start problems because no one likes them even croats in croatia dont like them or even croats as a whole in BiH.

Ero just listens to Serb propaganda aimed at making croats and bosnjaks fight so that croats get busted completly and slightly weaken the Bosnjaks so that RS can become more powerful.

Ero is in a minority of facist people and if they start any trouble they would all be thrown into the sea and live as pirates as nobody would accept them.

I like how you name any Serb or Croat a Cetnik or a Ustasa if they are not on the extreme Bosniak bandwagon. What do you call a Bosniak version of a Cetnik or Ustasa, Balija?

FR Sloboda

11-17-2007, 01:59 AM

and did you know how Milosevic and Serbia was supported by UK,France,Russia etc. If we Bosnjaks did not fight to defend Sarajevo,Tuzla,Bihac,Travnik,Mostar,Brcko we would of all been killed so in the positon we are in today is great - no conflict and we will get stronger economy and hopefully ako bog da abolish RS

FR Sloboda

11-17-2007, 02:03 AM

I like how you name any Serb or Croat a Cetnik or a Ustasa if they are not on the extreme Bosniak bandwagon. What do you call a Bosniak version of a Cetnik or Ustasa, Balija?

Are you stupid i am the only Bosniak in this forum that is mostly pro-serb and pro-croat i am even supporting Serbia in keeping Kosovo.

I Label people like this

Serbs- good people
Cetniks - facist people who believe in great serbia

croats - good people
ustasa - facist people belief of great croatia

Bosniaks - good people
SS Handzar - crazy facists

Saraj Fanático

11-17-2007, 02:05 AM

I would like to see you stand in front of a Fikret Abdic supporter and say "our own Fikret Abdic army"... :lol: :lol: It's a shame you tried to cleanse your own people, its even a bigger shame that Fikret Abdic won the peoples vote over Izetbegovic to be President, and Izetbegovic, the ultimate puppet of the West (the West you love so much and Alija as their best friend) was put into power by that West (you love so and agree with so much these days :lol:) and put Bosniaks into all the shit they went through.

Sadly I don't think the direction Alija took you, you wanted or had in mind when you chose to leave Yugoslavia but you do praise his heroics today. For me praising him is like seeing you in a state of denial for that mistake. Not all the Bosniaks took that route and those whom supported Fikret Abdic through the thick and thin live alot more proudly today and like Serbs more than you or the Croats...

Fikret Abdic isn't a Bosnian or one of our own. He is what we call a kreten. Abdic won the people's vote over Izetbegovic before he started to slay his own people. We do not love the west (Well...as much as you make it look like). If anything we have more reasons to hate them then love them. Its because of the West we couldn't finish our task of completly getting rid of the Cetnik disease we have to the East of our nation. The Genocide state lives now.

So Alija is the one who pretty much got all the Bosniaks cleansed and triggered the war, how? We could have had anyone as our leader, and they would have been in the same exact position as Dedo was in. Except that there was one breed of idiots who would have instead offered BiH to Terrorists and helped them complete their mission, only to be killed also. :lol: Those who supported Abdic should feel like the complete traitors and dumb dicks they are. If they don't, I think they are possibly the most ignorant people (after the Cetniks) in the region.

FR Sloboda

11-17-2007, 02:06 AM

@pape: iv'e got family that is half serbian and half croat you moron

do you think when i talk to my Strina im gonna say Hej Cetnik ja sam gladan - when im hungry

Pape

11-17-2007, 02:27 AM

Fikret Abdic isn't a Bosnian or one of our own. He is what we call a kreten. Abdic won the people's vote over Izetbegovic before he started to slay his own people. We do not love the west (Well...as much as you make it look like). If anything we have more reasons to hate them then love them. Its because of the West we couldn't finish our task of completly getting rid of the Cetnik disease we have to the East of our nation. The Genocide state lives now.

You ***kin nazi. You killed more of Abdic than he killed of you. You forced them out of their homes into tents. You should't have the right to call Serbia a genocide state in that manner, especially with the words "getting rid"? You killed 800,000 Serbs in WWII and its like it never even happened. What did the Serbs do after that? They chose to live with you and Croatia in peace in a country called Yugoslavia. You should be ***king praising Serbs for being so ***king nice to you, but no what did you do again you had a peace in Yugoslavia but you wanted your own toilet to shit into, and you are forgetting that a toilet needs cleaning that toilet you got on your shoulders is full of shit. :boo:

So Alija is the one who pretty much got all the Bosniaks cleansed and triggered the war, how? We could have had anyone as our leader, and they would have been in the same exact position as Dedo was in. Except that there was one breed of idiots who would have instead offered BiH to Terrorists and helped them complete their mission, only to be killed also. :lol: Those who supported Abdic should feel like the complete traitors and dumb dicks they are. If they don't, I think they are possibly the most ignorant people (after the Cetniks) in the region.

If he isn't a Balija he is a traitor... nice

Pape

11-17-2007, 02:36 AM

Are you stupid i am the only Bosniak in this forum that is mostly pro-serb and pro-croat i am even supporting Serbia in keeping Kosovo.

I Label people like this

Serbs- good people
Cetniks - facist people who believe in great serbia

croats - good people
ustasa - facist people belief of great croatia

Bosniaks - good people
SS Handzar - crazy facists

@pape: iv'e got family that is half serbian and half croat you moron

do you think when i talk to my Strina im gonna say Hej Cetnik ja sam gladan - when im hungry

Dude you know what thats awsome, thats good for you. But I could care less if you go to church or mosque twenty times a day. I don't judge people based on that, There's good people everywhere and there's bad people everywhere, but calling RS Serbs as Cetniks is the way it is in this place. Why? Because they don't support the modern state of BiH.

I would though like to post a question for every SS Handzar in this forum. You lived in a free state of Yugoslavia, you lived with Christians who treated Muslims better in Yugoslavia than any other Christian group in the world at the time and you wanted your own state where you would be a majority and today pretend to have some state of free Yugoslavia, which is exactly like the one you left. What the ***k did SS Handzars accomplish with there move? and was it worth it?

Saraj Fanático

11-17-2007, 02:43 AM

You ***kin nazi. You killed more of Abdic than he killed of you. You forced them out of their homes into tents. You should't have the right to call Serbia a genocide state in that manner, especially with the words "getting rid"? You killed 800,000 Serbs in WWII and its like it never even happened. What did the Serbs do after that? They chose to live with you and Croatia in peace in a country called Yugoslavia. You should be ***king praising Serbs for being so ***king nice to you, but no what did you do again you had a peace in Yugoslavia but you wanted your own toilet to shit into, and you are forgetting that a toilet needs cleaning that toilet you got on your shoulders is full of shit. :boo:

What an childish way to respond. Wow I really didn't expect something like that.

Who is calling SERBIA a genocide state?? I am sorry I think you misunderstood. I was calling RS a genocide state. Serbia isn't what I am opposing here. Getting rid of Cetniks, meaning the bandits of Karadzic, Mladic, and other prikaze.. don't make it look like I said some shit like all RS Serbs are cetniks, I am saying a fact that RS is a genocide state run by cetniks.

Abdic's cult of morons can enjoy getting in touch with nature and living in tents. They choose to force so many of our brothers and sisters to do the same. Thats how you deal with idiots like Abdic, kick them out.

I am not commenting on what I think about 800,000 Serbs getting killed. I, unlike you, don't want to spit on anyones grave.

If he isn't a Balija he is a traitor... nice

No because he isn't a person without brain...

Thats why.

You and I both know that joining Fikret was like joining a suicide cult, he would have led all his men to suicide. And you support that, you support his offering of BiH to Serbs. So what does that say about the person you are??

Pape

11-17-2007, 03:14 AM

What an childish way to respond. Wow I really didn't expect something like that.

Who is calling SERBIA a genocide state?? I am sorry I think you misunderstood. I was calling RS a genocide state. Serbia isn't what I am opposing here. Getting rid of Cetniks, meaning the bandits of Karadzic, Mladic, and other prikaze.. don't make it look like I said some shit like all RS Serbs are cetniks, I am saying a fact that RS is a genocide state run by cetniks.

In case you didn't know, your brother Alija Izetbegovic had a plan set forth ready to sign and he promised to with Radovan Karadzic before the war that would grant Serbs Republika Srpska which even had bigger borders than now and the deal would have prevented the war that ever happened. For the rest of the story, the Wests puppet, Alija Izetbegovic, was led into another deal by the US and Germany to back out of the deal on the last day which he knew, the US knew, and Germany, and the whole world knew would spark bloodshood and well those broked words sparked the war we know of happened today.

Abdic's cult of morons can enjoy getting in touch with nature and living in tents. They choose to force so many of our brothers and sisters to do the same. Thats how you deal with idiots like Abdic, kick them out.

I am not commenting on what I think about 800,000 Serbs getting killed. I, unlike you, don't want to spit on anyones grave.

I should be the last person you would say that too in this place. And go back and read what you said in the paragraph before that the one I am out to bold.

No because he isn't a person without brain...

Thats why.

You and I both know that joining Fikret was like joining a suicide cult, he would have led all his men to suicide. And you support that, you support his offering of BiH to Serbs. So what does that say about the person you are??

What did Abdic offer to Serbs? Serbs had to go in and waste their resources to save Abdic and the Bosniaks that fought for him. Why do I respect the Fikret Abdic (Babo as he is reffered to) people? Because they fought for what they believe was right, they knew that there wasn't a point in leaving a country they had a wonderful life in.

In their opinion they could have died two ways, fighting with the people they agreed with, or fighting against the principles and people they disagreed with. Now if they were Orthodox you would be calling them Chetniks today...

Centarfor9

11-17-2007, 04:39 AM

wow Pape you really went beyond yourself

really low insults/swearing/provocations

now when it happens 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 times it can be said you just blew a fuse but this shows it is not just a random occurence and that there is something to that - but maybe it is not your fault since you are let get away with it time after time

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when it comes to your political analysis there are lot of inconsistencies, false claims and some peculiar agenda usually instilled by years of brainwashing (I assume deep down you don't hate bosniaks)

FR Sloboda

11-17-2007, 02:09 PM

Pape you need to learn some proper history and not Some made up propaganda by your parents.

Fikret Abdic is a traitor and a fool who wanted to make a small group of people in BiH live a good life and have the other Bosnjaks like me live in a ghetto enclave with hardly anything.

Do you know Once when i went to ST. Louis there was this Bosnian Center filled with Abdic supporters who Said to Me and My Dad openly that they hate Bosnjaks from Sarajevo,Mostar and they then made Jokes about the Genocide in eastern Bosnia and they used to pick on me and say i am a no good refugee from Rijeka Drina

So Pape if you think that Fikret Abdic was a good man:mad2: you must be Insane

Dinoinho

11-18-2007, 02:22 AM

Abdic is worse than a Serb, he is a traitor, and Pape why are you calling all of us "Balija's". You do not have any true facts, but useless propaganda created by Cetnik's.

Alija Izetbegovic is A hero, without him there would be no BiH

Bosnian Unit

11-18-2007, 02:23 AM

I would like to see you stand in front of a Fikret Abdic supporter and say "our own Fikret Abdic army"... :lol: :lol: It's a shame you tried to cleanse your own people, its even a bigger shame that Fikret Abdic won the peoples vote over Izetbegovic to be President, and Izetbegovic, the ultimate puppet of the West (the West you love so much and Alija as their best friend) was put into power by that West (you love so and agree with so much these days :lol:) and put Bosniaks into all the shit they went through.

Sadly I don't think the direction Alija took you, you wanted or had in mind when you chose to leave Yugoslavia but you do praise his heroics today. For me praising him is like seeing you in a state of denial for that mistake. Not all the Bosniaks took that route and those whom supported Fikret Abdic through the thick and thin live alot more proudly today and like Serbs more than you or the Croats...

1.You dont know shit.

2.Slobodan Milosevic was American guy, check his background ! USA/EU had embargo on BIH until 1994 when Clinton became president and thats when US started helping us. Bush's father was president and he was in favor of Milosevic having controle of all Yugoslavia.

3.Fikret Abdic was a smart and great(before he started shit) man, but he changed his mind......had his own ideas (mini state). He knew he could not do that from Sarajevo as a president, thats why he step down and returned where he was powerful and loved by people.

4. Mr.Alija Izetbegovic is LEGEND, we are all Alija today :) ...Sa tobom smo ucili sve sto treba znati....da za Bosnu nije mnogo ni svoj zivot dati....!

5.You Serbs are brainwashed........i dont give a crap what you think, becouse your opinion doesnt count in my world. You where agressors, destroyed and killed so many......you are........Well im just gonna live it there.

6. We didnt do the same, you can say that but there is no way in hell that can be true. WHY DID YOU ATTACK CITIES WITH 80% OF BOSNIAK POPULATION ?

ANSWERS IS......you wanted to kill and force out everyone, greater Serbia......yea........sad vam se sve to obija od glavu. Patite, i dont give a damn thing about it......you are all the same for me.

7. DONT EVEN TRY TO REPLAY TO MY POST, I DONT CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY......FOR ME YOU ARE EVIL,AGRESSORS AND KILLERS....End of story !

In my eyes you are just like this...!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/496457690_dfaf3f580b.jpg

Blood tirsty, uncivilized, brainwashed killer(s) !