Which is worst?

[M*****]

There is debate over which one is worst the right extreme or the left extreme. I would like to ask all then European mebers here also to state their opinions over which of these ideals has helped their country the most. In my personal opinion I would perfer a socialist type of government.

[kanaryamerika]

definately facism is worse. socialism has its flaws, but facism is elitism in some ways. the selected few are fine, the rest is crap. at least in socialism they claim all people are equal.

I'd say neither really work in the practical world though. facism only goes so far before it causes problems, and socialism falls apart when people, power and egos come in - like anything else.

[Castalia]

during history they deny personal freedom, the most important value... so I refuse both of them...

[CambriaFan]

Tough and intelligent question. In my opinion fascism is much worse.

Pure communism is actually a good thing. It all stems from Karl Marx's creation of his own version of socialism. The idea is to create a complete equal society, in protest to capitalists, without social, racial or religious barracades etc. Sounds good, eh?

The problem is that when a Communist government gets into power, and this applies to all extreme political parties, they abolish democracy. This is because they believe so passionately that their view is correct that they deny the people the opportunity to choose otherwise.

In conlcusion - communism - not good, fascism - much, much worse.

[shevafan]

well i would say equal. if u look at communism in the past years it has its different types. i mean the communism in china, u cant even call communism. that government had a lot of changes to it. in my opinion in 50 years there will be a revolution and a democratic government will be established. if u look at cuba, its horrible in there. the whole nation is so poor its not funny. children still write with chalk on those little boards. people get these type of cards per year which give you like a dozen eggs some bread and a little other types off food like butter and cheese. how is a family suppose to live off that? the government officials on the other hand are living in paradise in cuba. and you should see whats going on in north korea. tens of thousands of people are dying in there per year from hard forced labour and all other horrible things. the soviet union can be the worst idea of communism in the last 10 years. the population was literally drained of everything. how do u think the soviet union was such a big arms power? beacause they took all the resources from the people and sold it on european markets. remember, under communism the government own everything. no exceptions. basically in the world we have never seen the real communism. why? because there is always someone trying to make money off it. another things is money distribution to the people. in communism everyone gets the same. so nomatter where you work or what job you are doing u will get the same money as everyone else. that is why communism will never work. plus under communsim there is a shit load of corruption done by the ones in power. its hard to explain because u cant write this in a couple of paragraphs.

[shevafan]

dictatorship is a little different beacause it doesnt last as long. but under it there are terrible casualties. the jewish holocaust under hitler for example. when castro came to power there were many people killed. chile had its dictatorship. right now we are seeing it in a lot of african countries where many people are slaughtered. but most dictators dont usually last. all it takes is to kill him. under communism on the other hand its a whole system of people, and when one goes away from power another one comes in. the control of the people under communism is unbelievable. public demostrations were not allowed, and when happened all of the people would be inprisoned or sometimes even shot. i rem when germany and USSR basically split poland and ukraine between each other. my mother parents before were living under the polish side of ukraine and they were quite wealthy. when the soviets came in they confiscated everything except few of their clothes. the next day they were put on a train and send to northern kazakstan basically siberia. later on one of their brothers got them out of there but everything was lost. and this type of thing happened to millions of people under the communist regime.

[BRISTOLUK]

The problem is that when a Communist government gets into power, and this applies to all extreme political parties, they abolish democracy. This is because they believe so passionately that their view is correct that they deny the people the opportunity to choose otherwise.

In conlcusion - communism - not good, fascism - much, much worse.

A not unreasonable POV.

The extreme actions of the extreme left appear to have been carried out mainly against people seen as a threat to their control.

The extreme actions of the extreme right have been applied against people for no other reason than their race, colour, union membership, sexual orientation, disability etc etc

I think you can safely say that one is far more evil (for want of a better word) than the other.

[manfan1523]

i like to think of governments as a horse shoe and the further in one direction you get the closer you get to the opposite side of the spectrum. the more hardcore fascist you are the closer you are to hardcore communism. they end up being extremely similar in practice when taken that far along the spectrum.

[CambriaFan]

A not unreasonable POV.

The extreme actions of the extreme left appear to have been carried out mainly against people seen as a threat to their control.

The extreme actions of the extreme right have been applied against people for no other reason than their race, colour, union membership, sexual orientation, disability etc etc

I think you can safely say that one is far more evil (for want of a better word) than the other.

Very well said :clap2: I completely agree

[Cihangir]

Wow! I'm not a pro-Communist but I'm pretty surprised that this is a 50-50 tie. One must be able to distinguish that communism is not an extreme idea, like fascism and don't start a topic which is logically ill for god's sake. In the ideal form communism is the best way to run a community. Just observe the difference between Lenin and Stalin eras in Russia, you'll get the picture.

BRISTOLUK settled the situation up there. It's pretty much the end of discussion.

[nachi88]

Extreme Left.

[Toke-E-Yo]

communism has and never will work. it ends up being a dictatorship anwyays... may as well be able to own your own business and all that with facism instead of workin your ass off to get the same amoutn as a bum.

[Saraj Fanático]

Fascism is worse.



Communism is impossible to work out. But Che Guevara baby...Che Guevara. :D
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Rene-Burri/Che-Guevara-Print-C10312369.jpeg

[Toke-E-Yo]

Fascism is worse.



Communism is impossible to work out. But Che Guevara baby...Che Guevara. :D
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Rene-Burri/Che-Guevara-Print-C10312369.jpeg


che was just as bad as some of them.

[shevafan]

Fascism is worse.



Communism is impossible to work out. But Che Guevara baby...Che Guevara. :D
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Rene-Burri/Che-Guevara-Print-C10312369.jpeg
a big reason people think fascism is worse is because of the holocaust. noone knows of the covered up things that the communist governments did that were far worse than most fascist governments.

[shevafan]

Fascism is worse.



Communism is impossible to work out. But Che Guevara baby...Che Guevara. :D
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Rene-Burri/Che-Guevara-Print-C10312369.jpeg
by the way if you like guevara and his guerrilla warfare tactics you should check this out -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

[Saraj Fanático]

I like that Guevara was very clever. He was pretty smart and tactical. And we all gotta admit that. But his actions in some cases were over the top. But the guy had mind and most of all, balls.

@Sheva: The UPA was pretty bad ass. They were a smart movement. Gotta give it to them for having a lot of guts to take on so many challenges. Their views about many issues were wrong though. But they are good example of how far Guerrilla Tactics can actually take you.

I seen a good documentary about the UPA once. I think I can find it over the net.

[negotin19300]

Facism is anti-semitic, racist, etc...Sorry, but the only choice I have is communism from the two given.

[poutismalakas]

I disagree Nazi Facism WAS/IS Anti-Semitic ;)

[shevafan]

I like that Guevara was very clever. He was pretty smart and tactical. And we all gotta admit that. But his actions in some cases were over the top. But the guy had mind and most of all, balls.

@Sheva: The UPA was pretty bad ass. They were a smart movement. Gotta give it to them for having a lot of guts to take on so many challenges. Their views about many issues were wrong though. But they are good example of how far Guerrilla Tactics can actually take you.

I seen a good documentary about the UPA once. I think I can find it over the net.
yeah they were very good at guerrilla. by the way if you dont know, during the vietnam war the vietnamies used many of the tactics that UPA used. just proves that its so efective since the americans had unbelievable casualties and basically had to leave because of that. some of the US soldiers to still to this day have physychological problems because of the horror they saw there.

[Reazzurro90]

Communism without a shadow of a doubt - the most disgusting, murderous, and fiendish people to stain the earth. Slaughtered dozens of millions of people, more than even the Nazis could do. A terrible government where people can never grow, learn, improve. It's the equivalent of purgatory.

Fascism, even if we include Nazism (which I personally would not), didn't kill even a fraction of the people that Communism did. Indeed, if people are going to choose this poll based on killings, then some people should be recalculating their figures. Fascism was definitely not even "anti-semitic", in fact, Fascist Italy never was aggressive against Jews - some were even in the Fascist High Council (the 1938 anti-Jewish laws implemented to satisfy Hitler are considered an exception, though they were hardly enforced).

Fascism had efficiency, national pride, economic strength. Communism was dirt poverty and a meaningless existence. People did have some freedom under Fascism.

That being said, I'm in no way a supporter of Fascism, but if one has to compare it to Communism, there is no question which would be the most logical choice.

[Panathinaikos2]

Both systems are very bad but I would have to say that Communism is a bit worser than fascism.

[Cro_Sensation]

Communism has actually killed more innocent people than Facism. Stats and studies have proven it. The communist U.S.S.R topped the regimes in most innocent deaths, Hitler's Nazi Germany was 2nd, and China is 3rd, 4th was Imperial Japan I believe.

[Wabbit]

Any extreme is bad.

[CambriaFan]

Just to add an extra dimension to the arguement: the opposite of fascism is not really communism but is actually anarchy :smoking:

Fascism = total government control without social democracy.
Anarchy = complete and total freedom with basically no government.

So whats worse from these 2; fascism or anarchy?

[Andygers]

^ Hmmm....Interesting question Cambria!!!!!

I reckon fascism is worse because if you don't agree with it you suffer but anarchy isn't really great either.......but I could be wrong.