Stupidity

[Ryan27]

I won't describe the tragic events of Catania-Palermo since you can find it on most news sites, but I just want to say that I think the whole thing is disgusting. There is no excuse for such backwards behavior, especially when it is all done over a sport.

[_mR aSj_]

i have to agree... people behind it should be behind bars

[Laury84]

exactly totally agree with u...cmon...its a game!!life is more important!!

[Sebastian]

...Although the game was quite contaversial...that was a catastrophic event...i cant believe that those animals hit the Policeman with a home made bomb in his face...:shocked:...i just cant believe that...

[holicman]

Here is the news report for anyone that wants to read it:

Italian football was facing up to a new crisis after all football was suspended indefinitely after a police officer was killed during serious trouble at the Sicilian derby between Catania and Palermo.
According to reports, 38-year-old Filippo Raciti was struck in the face by a small explosive while attempting to deal with fighting outside the stadium. He was taken to hospital but died from his injuries.

After an emergency meeting last night and Italian football federation (FIGC) commissioner Luca Pancalli announced an immediate suspension of football.

Coming less than a year after the match-fixing scandal which saw Juventus demoted to Serie B and Fiorentina, Lazio and AC Milan also punished, the FIGC once again has some tough decisions to make.

“I have demanded a stop to all activity of football in Italy,” Pancalli said in a statement. “Enough is enough.

“It’s a situation that I cannot speak of. To lose your life at 38 is incredible. This is not a sport.

“The football tournaments will remain suspended until we solve the violence in our football.

“It’s unacceptable that such incidents happen in a country like Italy.”

Those thoughts were echoed by Palermo president Maurizio Zamparini, who has called for stricter laws regarding violence at football matches.

“These people are not fans, but are delinquents that in other countries like England would have been arrested and seriously punished,” he said.

“Unfortunately in Italy these things are still allowed to happen. We need more severe laws.”

Italy were hoping to host the European Championships in 2012.

“At this moment I’m not thinking about [the bid] but should we lose our Euro 2012 bid because of this situation, we would deserve to lose it,” Pancalli added.

Italy’s national team was due to play Romania in Siena on Wednesday but that game - and the Under-21 fixture against Belgium in Chieti on Tuesday - will not go ahead as things stand.

The president of the Italian Olympic Committee, Gianni Petrucci, has backed the FIGC's decision to suspend all football activity, and Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi added his voice to those calling for action to be taken to stop the trouble.

"After the serious incidents that occurred in Catania, my first thought is for the people that have been affected and for their families,” he said.

“I feel a duty to say that we need a strong and clear signal to avoid the degeneration of this sport which we are seeing more dramatically and more often."

Around 100 people were reported to be injured - some seriously - after fighting erupted in the build-up to the game at the Angelo Massimino Stadium.

Trouble continued throughout the evening, with the game suspended for around 30 minutes at one stage.

Palermo won the match 2-1 but players and staff were held in the stadium by police after the game while the area was secured.

Catania club executive Pietro Lo Monaco reacted to news of the officer’s death by announcing he would leave football.

“To speak of football right now seems useless. For me this is the end. I will leave the football world,” he said.

“I don’t recognise myself in this world anymore. I have loved football intensely but after this right now it seems absurd.”

Italian players’ association president Sergio Campana wants the suspension of football in the country to last for up to a year to allow for a proper solution to the problems of violence to be found.

“(FIGC commissioner Luca) Pancalli called me and I was in total agreement (with the suspension), but I wanted my proposal taken seriously that soccer should stop for a year in order to reflect on the evils that exist,” Campana said.

The FIGC have given no indication as to how long the suspension might remain in place.

Prior to kick-off last night a minute's silence had been held following the death of a club official from lower league club Sammartinese at a game last weekend.

And Campana believes Italy should follow England’s lead in stamping out the problems in the country.

He added: “A one-day postponement is not enough. There have been two deaths in a week in Italian football.

“We must reflect. We can not accept episodes of violence every single weekend just because someone plays badly. I’ve been in football many years, but I’ve never experienced such a tragic week.

“If in England they’ve managed to beat every type of violence, I see no reason why we can’t do the same. In England you see teams that have been relegated and applauded by their fans, here our players are hit because they lose one game.

“The culture must change. This time we can not allow it to go on. It’s time to reflect, we can not lose life for absurd reasons.”

Senior figures in the FIGC are set to meet the nation’s minister of sport, Giovanna Melandri, to discuss the situation.

[Fenerliyim]

Wow

[_mR aSj_]

people are so low

[benfica64]

I won't describe the tragic events of Catania-Palermo since you can find it on most news sites, but I just want to say that I think the whole thing is disgusting. There is no excuse for such backwards behavior, especially when it is all done over a sport.
what can be said? simple savages.

[benfica64]

They should ban football in Italy for a good year. I mean what the hell is this world coming too. These are nothing but savages (these fans). If it isnt bribes, buy outs, scandal after scandal its the fans going haywire and in the after math having a cop killed. ITs been a very long and sad current of events with Italian football.

[devious]

This is so aweful really.

[benfica64]

I have to say my condolence to this officers family. Truly such a tragic way to lose your life. A football game??

[Andygers]

In the UK we Never have problems like this, I feel italian football has gone into a sad state concerning hooligism and it must be stopped very soon

[benfica64]

In the UK we Never have problems like this, I feel italian football has gone into a sad state concerning hooligism and it must be stopped very soon
Yes I agree its getting way out of hand.

[Laury84]

In the UK we Never have problems like this, I feel italian football has gone into a sad state concerning hooligism and it must be stopped very soon
are u talking about the UK with England or another one???I remember some Liverpool fans that killed some juventus fans....:rolleyes:

[Laury84]

btw R.I.P.....its not right like for a football game...but may u rest in peace...and may ur kids and ur wife find peace in this earth also without u...be their guide...

[Ryan27]

In the UK we Never have problems like this, I feel italian football has gone into a sad state concerning hooligism and it must be stopped very soon
erm...doesn't the whole 'hooligan' concept come from the UK? And of course there is the whole Heysel incident, as Laury mentions. To the Brits' credit, they've addressed their issues and improved considerably. But to say they "NEVER have problems" is absurd and ignorant.

What annoys me with about calcio is that these incidents aren't anything new, yet nothing proper is ever done about them. Perhaps finally some radical changes are forthcoming, but it angers me that a policeman had to die to get anyone to take action. And I'm still not convinced that the problem will actually be fixed.

[Laury84]

erm...doesn't the whole 'hooligan' concept come from the UK? And of course there is the whole Heysel incident, as Laury mentions. To the Brits' credit, they've addressed their issues and improved considerably. But to say they "NEVER have problems" is absurd and ignorant.

What annoys me with about calcio is that these incidents aren't anything new, yet nothing proper is ever done about them. Perhaps finally some radical changes are forthcoming, but it angers me that a policeman had to die to get anyone to take action. And I'm still not convinced that the problem will actually be fixed.
yeah this is horrible...we had to wait a death?!?!?!

[Langbaard]

From what I have heard, the 'hooligans' have started to support smaller teams like Stoke City for example, because the security of teams in Premiership league are alot more tight.

This already says, these people care nothing for FOOTBALL, only for bloody smashing each others head in.

[autobus]

langbaard, how are the feyenoord fans, seems like they are the most violents of Europ

[Laury84]

From what I have heard, the 'hooligans' have started to support smaller teams like Stoke City for example, because the security of teams in Premiership league are alot more tight.

This already says, these people care nothing for FOOTBALL, only for bloody smashing each others head in.
totally agree

[Langbaard]

langbaard, how are the feyenoord fans, seems like they are the most violents of Europ

I'd say so, but ofcourse I can be judged to have Ajax glasses on, I'll admit there are alot of Ajax hooligans as well, but only when we play Feyenoord or ADO (the Hague) really, in European football we have learned our lesson fortunately and have had a good reputation the last years.

But yeah even this year Feyenoord hooligans in Nancy did alot of things, you probably know about it, I think they are definetely one of the worst in Europe.
(Not strange really, if you support such a horrible team :lol: that was with Ajax glasses on ;) )

[adrianofan]

English Football Hooliganism is at a minimum in the English Premiership but in international competition, different story. There were also incidents of assault against Portuguese people after the World Cup by English hooligans.


Football violence in stadiums declined domestically since the introduction of the Football Spectators Act, and in the 2000s much of the trouble has instead occurred away from grounds and at major international tournaments.[6]France 98 was marred by violence as English fans clashed with the North African locals of Marseilles, which led to up to 100 fans being arrested.[15]At Euro 2000, the England team was threatened with expulsion from the tournament, due to the poor behaviour of the fans.[16]

Following good behaviour in Japan 2002 and Portugal 2004, the English reputation has improved. [17] At Germany 2006, there were limited incidences of violence, with over 200 preventative arrests in Stuttgart (with only three people being charged with criminal offences). [18] However, 400 others were taken into preventative custody.[19] During that day, Police believe that on average each rioter consumed or threw 17 litres of alcohol.[19

[nismo]

In the UK we Never have problems like this, I feel italian football has gone into a sad state concerning hooligism and it must be stopped very soon
Maybe not so much now, but remember hooliganism started out in the UK. Italy today is England 20 years ago. The difference is that country's government took a serious stance whereas Italy's counterpart only paid lipservice, much to the detriment of the game culminating with recent events.

If nothing is done to seriously address changes then Italy has truly forsaken sport and all its virtues.

[Laury84]

Maybe not so much now, but remember hooliganism started out in the UK. Italy today is England 20 years ago. The difference is that country's government took a serious stance whereas Italy's counterpart only paid lipservice, much to the detriment of the game culminating with recent events.

If nothing is done to seriously address changes then Italy has truly forsaken sport and all its virtues.
I dont think that our situation is at England level....yeah its a bad situation but not so bad....remember Heysel?
but we need to do what England did after that tragedy...

[benfica64]

Maybe not so much now, but remember hooliganism started out in the UK. Italy today is England 20 years ago. The difference is that country's government took a serious stance whereas Italy's counterpart only paid lipservice, much to the detriment of the game culminating with recent events.

If nothing is done to seriously address changes then Italy has truly forsaken sport and all its virtues.


Completely agree.

[devious]

Italian Football Cancelled For Two Weeks

At the moment that is the most probable solution. The sporting world would have wanted to restart immediately.
Two weeks without football and and two weeks "behind closed doors", and things will restart again with Inter-Roma. It's been a day full of consultations, with the sporting world wanting to restart Sunday already, even behind closed doors, and the government insisting that play would be resumed only when the stadiums will be completely safe.

With the definitive verdict coming tomorrow from Palazzo Chigi, the idea is to stop for two weeks, even though less drastic measures will also be considered, with problems tied regarding the Champions League and pressure from television stations for the rights. In any case the final decision will have to be backed by everyone. This morning FIGC commissioner Luca Pancalli will present the proposals to Palazzo Chigi, where it will be discussed what the clubs can do to make the situation go back to normality.

There were also extreme positions in the government that imposed a very long stop to the various football leagues, while the Lega Calcio asked that there be no stadiums closed without reason. "This pause for reflection has been very useful", but in case of a permanent closure of the stadiums they would risk seeing several investors in the sport go in ruin.

Pancalli announced the probable length of the lay-off: "This suspension will last until drastic measures are taken which will help me get the serenity to review my decision, of which I take full responsibility and conscience". CONI, the Italian Olympic committee, have given two scholarships to the sons of the killed officer to allow them to complete their studies. In this way Italian sport wants to be close to the family of the deceased policeman Raciti who was a victim of the Catania derby rows.

[Laury84]

two weeks....+ at least 2 games with closed doors...+ the supporters CANNOT go to the away games anymore....

[Langbaard]

two weeks....+ at least 2 games with closed doors...+ the supporters CANNOT go to the away games anymore....

Any other decision made, what about the clubs involved with the killing ? are they still thinking upon what sanctions they will use ? I can't imagine just suspending 2 weeks of football will solve all the problems.. ?

[Laury84]

Any other decision made, what about the clubs involved with the killing ? are they still thinking upon what sanctions they will use ? I can't imagine just suspending 2 weeks of football will solve all the problems.. ?
now the FIGC is thinking that we should do what did england in the past...first of all we hav to vhange all the stadiums...and for Catania I dont know...but I think that they wont play in Catania(their stadium) for a year...

[adrianofan]

Catania (and Palermo if they are found guilty) are the ones that should be punished. By punishing the whole league equally, it will just create even more animosity among Northern Italy towards Sicily. There is already a lot of political friction between the North and the South as it is.

[_mR aSj_]

its a difficult situation... they should go along with the holding of the game as they need to set an example so in the future it does not happen again

[Laury84]

Catania (and Palermo if they are found guilty) are the ones that should be punished. By punishing the whole league equally, it will just create even more animosity among Northern Italy towards Sicily. There is already a lot of political friction between the North and the South as it is.
well yeah u're right...there is a lot of hate between south and north...and I dont wanna "pay" for what they hav done in the south...but we hav to face that these things happen also in the north...remember 2 years ago the CL match between inter and milan??remember what's happened when our team came back from Villareal the last year???

[sandanista]

security within the stadiums needs to be tightened. football games should be a safe place to bring a family but who is going to bring their kids to a football match when there is such violence involved?
when there is such a volatile atmosphere inside the ground then it is bound to create problems when the two sets of fans fun into each other outside the stadium after the match. unfortunately there are some people who just cant control themselves in these circumstances. and of course there are those who are looking for a fight and use football as an excuse.

the similarities between the current situation in italy and england in the eighties is obvious and hopefully it doesn't take a heysel- like disaster to force the italian authorities to finally take some meaningful action, whats already happened is bad enough.

[Laury84]

well I agree I hope that we won't see another Heysel before do something...

[sandanista]

does anyone remember when that Genoa fan was killed outside the San Siro before a match 12 years ago?
they cancelled all the matches for the following weekend and spoke about how it must never happen again and something big must be done etc. in other words exactly what they are saying now.
cancelling matches or playing games behind closed doors doesn't get to the root of the problem.
maybe because it was a policeman who was killed this time and not a fan the authorities will take some real action but i wouldn't be too sure that this time next year not much will have changed at serie A matches.

[Zek]

RIP to the policeman! such things are disgraceful... couple of years ago went to CL quailfyers Neftchi Baku against Anderlecht and some idiots (members of the official Neftchi fanclub) were throwing bottles on the pitch and trying to present themselves like ultras in Turkey and Italy... bad influence is spreading around... that was the first time I observed such behaviours here!

however, I think football shall continue, just some ultras shall be punished for their behaviours and all these petard thing shall also be banned.

[Zek]

as for examples:
last year Inter - Milan game (if I remember correctly) was not that good with all those petards, however I liked it because was so pissed off by Inter...

and really disgraceful was the motorbike incident some 5 years ago while Inter-Atalanta game, this could have killed someone...

[Laury84]

does anyone remember when that Genoa fan was killed outside the San Siro before a match 12 years ago?
they cancelled all the matches for the following weekend and spoke about how it must never happen again and something big must be done etc. in other words exactly what they are saying now.
cancelling matches or playing games behind closed doors doesn't get to the root of the problem.
maybe because it was a policeman who was killed this time and not a fan the authorities will take some real action but i wouldn't be too sure that this time next year not much will have changed at serie A matches.
yeah I remember that guy...and if u think that his killer is free to walk in the street...u understand how the law works in italy....I hope that this thing will change coz we cannot go on in this way...but before football...something else has to change...this is the reason why I think that nothing will change...:sad:

[Laury84]

as for examples:
last year Inter - Milan game (if I remember correctly) was not that good with all those petards, however I liked it because was so pissed off by Inter...

and really disgraceful was the motorbike incident some 5 years ago while Inter-Atalanta game, this could have killed someone...
well yeah some of our ultras are...just....IDIOTS!!

[adrianofan]

well yeah u're right...there is a lot of hate between south and north...and I dont wanna "pay" for what they hav done in the south...but we hav to face that these things happen also in the north...remember 2 years ago the CL match between inter and milan??remember what's happened when our team came back from Villareal the last year???
Yep this is very true but Inter already served their punishment for that (which cost the club millions in lost revenue I'm sure but the punishment was fair to send a message) and hopefully we won't ever have that kind of crap from our "fans" ever again. To have the entire league serve a punishment for Catania and Palermo wouldn't make sense. I do believe that changes must be made NOW to Italian football but that when the league returns to action, there shouldn't be any games behind closed doors for the whole league. A suitable punishment would be to give Catania -30 points and have them play behind closed doors for awhile maybe. Palermo should likely get a punishment too but it will be lighter because they didn't kill the police officer but I assume they did escalate things. But of course punishments are useless without having some measures taken right now to clean up the game.

[Laury84]

Yep this is very true but Inter already served their punishment for that (which cost the club millions in lost revenue I'm sure but the punishment was fair to send a message) and hopefully we won't ever have that kind of crap from our "fans" ever again. To have the entire league serve a punishment for Catania and Palermo wouldn't make sense. I do believe that changes must be made NOW to Italian football but that when the league returns to action, there shouldn't be any games behind closed doors for the whole league. A suitable punishment would be to give Catania -30 points and have them play behind closed doors for awhile maybe. Palermo should likely get a punishment too but it will be lighter because they didn't kill the police officer but I assume they did escalate things. But of course punishments are useless without having some measures taken right now to clean up the game.
they dont understand that if a lot of games will be played behind closed doors the situation will get worst and worst...
well more or less these are the point of what they hav decided to do:
1.restart this weekend but not with Inter-Roma that will be played in April,and probably the Coppa Italia final will be postponed
2.1 game in every stadium behind closed doors
3.all the stadiums that are not up to standards will be at closed doors
4.the group of supporters (like the inter Boys,Vikings and stuff) cannot go to the away games anymore...u can go only if u buy ur ticket alone and u give ur Name and Surname
5.the policemen WON'T be inside the stadium anymore,but only outside
6.Inside the stadium will be "stuards" paid from the clubs
7.if u're somebody that is "dangerous" during the games u'll hav to clean the WC or stuff like that so they're sure that u wont go to the football game
8.if u break the law u go in jail IMMEDIATELY!

.......this will NEVER happen in Italy...believe me

[Zek]

Yep this is very true but Inter already served their punishment for that (which cost the club millions in lost revenue I'm sure but the punishment was fair to send a message) and hopefully we won't ever have that kind of crap from our "fans" ever again. To have the entire league serve a punishment for Catania and Palermo wouldn't make sense. I do believe that changes must be made NOW to Italian football but that when the league returns to action, there shouldn't be any games behind closed doors for the whole league. A suitable punishment would be to give Catania -30 points and have them play behind closed doors for awhile maybe. Palermo should likely get a punishment too but it will be lighter because they didn't kill the police officer but I assume they did escalate things. But of course punishments are useless without having some measures taken right now to clean up the game.

i don't think clubs should pay for the stupidity of their ultras unless there are evidence of clubs supporting such behaviours by their ultras.

but I would agree that players like Di Canio who was making fascist gestures shall be punished along with his club including point deduction.

On stadiums perhaps abonementi people shall always be allowed to games and you need to show ID if you have an ordinary ticket to enter the stadium.

there is a chance that things will escalate at Inter-Milan derby because of Ronaldo's appearance...:sad:

[Laury84]

i don't think clubs should pay for the stupidity of their ultras unless there are evidence of clubs supporting such behaviours by their ultras.

but I would agree that players like Di Canio who was making fascist gestures shall be punished along with his club including point deduction.

On stadiums perhaps abonementi people shall always be allowed to games and you need to show ID if you have an ordinary ticket to enter the stadium.

there is a chance that things will escalate at Inter-Milan derby because of Ronaldo's appearance...:sad:
yeah I'm worried about the derby too....but dont worry if S.Siro doesnt change that match will be behind closed doors...can u believe it??? :sad:

[Zek]

yeah I'm worried about the derby too....but dont worry if S.Siro doesnt change that match will be behind closed doors...can u believe it??? :sad:

complete disaster if the game is behind closed doors...

but I have watched on Euronews yesterday, that stadiums in Milano, Roma, Torino do comply with requirements, so they shall be open!

[Ryan27]

i don't think clubs should pay for the stupidity of their ultras unless there are evidence of clubs supporting such behaviours by their ultras.
Yes, clubs have been punished in the past for their fans and it didn't change much. You also risk giving these 'ultras' too much power and legitimacy. The best solution is to revolutionize the ticketing, admissions, and security standards. I know no one wants empty stadiums, but that might be the only way to force clubs to make improvements.

[Laury84]

complete disaster if the game is behind closed doors...

but I have watched on Euronews yesterday, that stadiums in Milano, Roma, Torino do comply with requirements, so they shall be open!
ehm the euronews are wrong...really we are definitely not up to the standards...:sad:

[devious]

this is weird.. I really didnt know that! the Meatza stadium is not up to the standards? :rolleyes:

[Laury84]

this is weird.. I really didnt know that! the Meatza stadium is not up to the standards? :rolleyes:
nope.....unfortunately....we should destroy the hippodrome...:faint2:

[Zek]

Yes, clubs have been punished in the past for their fans and it didn't change much. You also risk giving these 'ultras' too much power and legitimacy. The best solution is to revolutionize the ticketing, admissions, and security standards. I know no one wants empty stadiums, but that might be the only way to force clubs to make improvements.

yep, I don't think that all ultras are bad... they make nice posters especially at Derbies, some of those groups are ran by normal human beings. Yes, Ryan but they can do gradual improvements under UEFA inspections for instance instead of closing all stadiums and making revolutions at the cost of the game...

[Laury84]

yep, I don't think that all ultras are bad... they make nice posters especially at Derbies, some of those groups are ran by normal human beings. Yes, Ryan but they can do gradual improvements under UEFA inspections for instance instead of closing all stadiums and making revolutions at the cost of the game...
yeah u're right u see only in Italy those awesome choreographies...but there are some idiots unfortunately...:sad:

[futbolpasion]

absoluto they should be giving all italian football a bad name way to go ***** heads