US better then Bosnia?

[bosna_11]

I have had arguments on a different forum about this, with people from the US.

I say that Bosnia is better and that they could beat the US and they think that Bosnia couldn't.

I think Bosnia has alot more talent then the US, we have so many players that play in good clubs around the world, the US does not.

All I think is that the US has it easy, there toughest challenge they have is Mexico the rest of the countries they play suck!!.


I also think that they don't deserve to be ranked 15th!!. That is just a disgrace, I get to see them play, I have seen some results and they don't deserve to be ranked that high.

What do you think?

[Ivan]

Originally posted by bosna_11
I think Bosnia has alot more talent then the US, we have so many players that play in good clubs around the world, the US does not.

The US actually has some guys playing around Europe too. And don't forget, they actually have a league that's worth watching, unlike ours.

Originally posted by bosna_11
All I think is that the US has it easy, there toughest challenge they have is Mexico the rest of the countries they play suck!!.

You want get an argument there from me :)


Originally posted by bosna_11
I also think that they don't deserve to be ranked 15th!!. That is just a disgrace,

The FIFA rankings are a disgrace period!

Originally posted by bosna_11
What do you think?

Honestly, I really don't think that BiH is better then US, but on the flip side I don't think US is that much better then BiH. If the two sides played a friendly I'd bet on a draw or at most a minimum 1 goal win by US.

[Arkan]

I think Bosnia can beat the USA team because Bosnia is like us you just don,t have allot of luck but you still have a good team, with players like Bolic, Baljic, Hibic, Barbarez, Kapetanovic etc, I watched your first game against Spain at home and I must say I was very impressed and I've never liked the US-team so I think you could beat them

Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava

[lilphenom]

ok we ll those of you that don't know me i am lilphenom i am an american and i am the moderator at the US Forum. i come here to just give my opinion and those of you that know me know that i get a little temper when it comes to my national team but here is my opinion. I know next to nothing about your national team or league . but this is what i have to say concerning our national team and club . first of all we have quit a few players playing in europe in hoolanbd we have john o'brien and earnie stewart. in scotland claudio reyna in spain kasey keller in England we now have 3 players playing in the Premier league in Eddie Lewis Brad Friedel and Joe Max-Moore . As for Mexico being the only true competition i have to disagree Concacaf is a much stronger condfeseration then it gets credit for and it is home to some very talented players and i dont know if you know but playing in Latin America is not the easiest thing in the Wolrd especially when most of the teams we play are of Spanish orogin . AS for the league and the national team itself , both deserve more respect then they get . I am a very stong believer that respect is that something you gain , and in 98 we lost basically any respect we had concerning football. but since then we have earned our way back to better the average team and i truly think that we could beat some of the World Elite more times then people think . Like i said respect has to be earned not given and ever since post France we have beaten some of the World 's Elite and have been playing very very well in qualifiers . just to name a few teams we have beaten Germany 2 times Argentina Chle 2 times once in Chile Mexico 3 times in a row as of now and have been playing very well in World Cup Qualifying with only one loss in 9 world cup qualifiers and have scored 19 goals and only given up 4 not many teams can claim that and the way the european qualyfying is setup some of those groups are not as strong as the teams that are in our 6 teams i am not saying that europe is easier but the way it is setup i say we could qualify in all but 2 of those groups . the stupidest thing that we ever did was to hire steve sampson he was an idiot and he costed us years and years in the developmeant of American Soccer . but ever since Bruce Arena has taken over he has almost got us back to where we should be in just 3 short years we have come a very very long way in 3 years and well the best place tha we can truly gain the respect that we have earned is the same place we lost it and that is in the World Cup we have a mission to gain the respect. Another luxury that we have in the development of the sport here is we have some of the best youth players in the Wolrd not matter what anyone says Landon Donovan Damarcus Beasley and Bobby Convey are 3 of the best players in the World Under 20 years old and in the upcoming U 20 World Cup the expectations are nothing less then winning the championship that is how high the standas are set and well i believe the youth team is a direct correlation to the senior team , take portugal for instance they won it a few years ago with figo and Co and now Portugal are one of the best 5 teams in the world in my opinion . with that said i will end this post and just wait and see if anyone responds and if so well we will see what will happen.




USA 2002

[The Real Sergio]

you cant say that Bosnia isnt better than USA

Salihamidzic - Bayern - one of the bests!
Barbarez - HamburgerSV - best scorer of German League!!
Akrapovic, Hujdurovic, goalkeeper Piplica - All in first 11 of FC Energie Cottbus (1. German league)...
Hibic - Atletico Madrid
Bolic - Rayo Vallecano
Baljic - Fenerbahce (on loan from R Madrid)
Varesanovic, Topic - Austria Wien
Hota - FC Kartnen - 1. Austrian league, Aust. cup winner
Music - Fc Antalyspor-Turkey
Mujcin - Japan
Konjic - Coventry city
Kapetanovic - B. Dortmund

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[lilphenom]

the kisat of players i mentioned are not the only ones in europe i dont know if that is the complete list of bosnian players in europe . but look no offense but the only team that is worth anything in your gruop is spain if we were in that group i see us making it to the playoff and and well depending on who we draw i think we could make it. I am looking at the standing right now and you all have only 4 points in a nots so very difficult group , and minus spain its no offense but a weak group. and well with some of the results you have had i dont see where you can claim some of things you have claimed . we have 9 points in 3 games and have only lost one game in 9 qualifiers and minus spain the teams we are playing are better . but anyway i mean no harm when i say this and at this point it is my word against yours but i think we are a better team

USA 2002

[The Real Sergio]

and U21:

Skoro - Marseille
Zilic - Hertha
Muslimovic - Udinese
Bajramovic - St. Pauli (promoted to 1. German league)

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[The Real Sergio]

and what is the group of USA and how many teams will qualify to WC. USa is "directly" qualified!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is all because of money!

MONEY! Why

[lilphenom]

please , DOnt give me your money BS . there is very little money involved in soccer here .do you have any clue as to what the Salary cap is per team in MLS ?? AS for qualifying what do you want me to do move the enitre country to Europe . but i will tell you one thing if we were in the same group as you i guarantee we would have more then 4 points that is for sure !!! and i could guarentee we would make the playoff in that group behind spain.
the group that we are in in COCCACAF is harder then that group you are in right now jsut becasue you are in europe does not mean you are a better team and tha you are in a harder are to qualify. IF europe was setup the same was as Concacaf or Conembol it would be by far the toughest region to qualify but the way it is set up is politically correct if you know what i mean

[Andrija PFC]

lilphenom,

Concacaf qualifying doesn't really start until the semi-final round, before that there's just a bunch of really bad teams like Barbados and the Netherlands Antilles :)
There's only a few countries that compete with the US in CONCACAF, like Mexico, Canada, Jamaica.

BTW about making it behind Spain, sure I think you could beat Israel but Austria? Austria tied Spain 1-1 and I think you'd surely lose to them in Vienna. Right now the US has as much quality as an average European team, like say Austria or Hungary. That is to say they can beat them but not surely (i.e. most likely lose the away game but have very good chances in the home game).

[bosna_11]

Question:I hear you said that European second division teams and first team back-ups are better than the MLS. The Metrostars just beat the Euro Champs Bayern Munich 2-0. Once again, European coaches make excuses that their team is tired or not into the match. But those are no excuses, and where is their pride to win? Time for people to give the MLS respect. I was reading about American arrogance in past mailbags, what about the European arrogance and ignorance for looking down on U.S. Soccer. I sense you Europeans are just afraid of the sleeping giant, the USA, has awakened.

Terry baddoo (CNNSI): Well I think your senses are a touch insensitive then, because I don't believe anyone in Europe believes the USA's time has come just yet. Tell me, if the Sixers were to win the NBA Finals in seven games and head straight to Greece, for arguments sake, and lose to Panathinaikos two or three days later, would that make the Greeks better than the NBA champions? Or would you argue that the Sixers had merely run out of steam after a lengthy season and the drama and intensity of the post season? If so, then that's exactly the way Bayern were feeling against the Metrostars.

They didn't even field their first team. It was an obligatory exhibition for the players who'd sooner have been on the beach, no doubt. While I agree that MLS is on the up, please get things in perspective. Once in a while there may be the odd upset win for U.S. teams against top foreigners, though often when it doesn't matter. But, as yet, they are no match for the world's top nations at club level over the long haul. It's hard to say exactly at what standard the MLS operates. But believe me, if it is comparable to second division football in the major soccer playing nations after such a short existence, that's a positive and not a negative, because those leagues are better than you'd imagine.

Even this anylast from the US thinks that the League in the US sucks and that European second divisions might be better and I agree.


The US national team has no competition that is why they keep winning, its easy to win when you play Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba and Trinadad and Tobago, the only pretty tough team is Mexico.


Just put the US in Bosnia shoes and they would be ranked 150th in the World.

[lilphenom]

that article basically sums up how people look at american football and how it is treated. you people just dont want to give us credit no matter what you do all you do is make up excuses now i am not alking to anyone specific but i am speaking in general its like no one cares what we do but when we get a bad result we are looked down on and when we win we are given a list of excuses . well stop with the excuses it does not matter a loss is a loss no matter how much you want to sugar coat it with all the BS give us some respect !!

[lilphenom]

this is an article that is a few months old that i saved just read it







Inside Soccer

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Posted: Tuesday May 01, 2001 1:15 PM


Starting at the Top

The U.S. is unbeaten in World Cup qualifying. Why is the once-struggling team so torrid?

By Grant Wahl

Five points. One win and two draws. After the first three games of the final round of qualifying for World Cup 2002, U.S. coach Bruce Arena would have settled for those results. Instead, the Americans' 1-0 victory over Costa Rica last week in Kansas City raised their record to 3-0, gave them an astonishing nine points and -- barring a total collapse in their remaining seven matches -- assured them a berth in next year's 32-team field in Japan and South Korea.

Half the U.S. roster plays in MLS, including Wolff (15), who scored the lone goal against Costa Rica.Simon Bruty
How have the whipping boys of World Cup '98 turned into the powerhouse of their region? (Sorry about that, Mexico.) Here are a few reasons:


MLS is now an undisputed boon to the national team. Back in '98, Steve Sampson, the U.S. coach at the time, dissed the league mercilessly, arguing that it lured Americans back from European leagues where they would develop their skills more quickly. Three years later MLS stars Clint Mathis and Josh Wolff are the U.S.'s offensive MVPs, having combined for three goals and three assists in the three wins. "Our 18-man roster for Costa Rica had nine MLS guys," says Arena. "Where would those players be -- and would they be the kind of players they are now -- if they'd gone elsewhere?"

The American talent pool has grown deeper than Foucault. MLS may be improving the domestic players' skill level, but Arena has also made sure to provide plenty of international experience, inviting 80 players to camp since he took over in November 1998. "In '98 we went 15 or 16 players deep," says playmaker Claudio Reyna. "Now we go 22 to 23 players deep, and that's a big difference when you get injuries."

The back line has more backbone. In its last seven World Cup qualifiers, the U.S. has shut out its opponents six times and outscored them 17-1. Veteran defender Jeff Agoos, 33, has done a masterly job, organizing a D that last week included French-speaking left back David Régis, a native of Martinique; Spanish-speaking center back Carlos Llamosa, from Colombia; and right back Steve Cherundolo, 22, who was playing only his third game with the national team. Nor does it hurt to have a trio of goalkeepers with World Cup experience in Kasey Keller, Brad Friedel and Tony Meola.

The Yanks have learned to win without their A game, even on the road. During last year's semifinal qualifying round, the Americans outplayed Guatemala, only to draw, then suffered a last-minute loss at Costa Rica. This year, by contrast, they stole a qualifier at Honduras with Mathis's free-kick goal in the waning moments. "We're just a lot more professional now," says Agoos. "We understand what it takes to get a result."

The coach is pushing all the right buttons. "A big part of this is psychological, soothing the players' egos," Arena says, citing a piece of advice from retired star Jürgen Klinsmann, who told him Germany's success had been a direct result of its team spirit. So when Arena benched No. 1 keeper Keller for Friedel against Honduras in March, he explained his decision at length to Keller. When he decided not to suit up striker Ante Razov against Mexico in February, Arena counseled Razov for an hour on the day of the game. Arena even brought in a sports psychologist to help midfielder Earnie Stewart overcome his fear of flying.
So smoothly have things been going for the U.S. that Arena felt compelled to cap the rising geyser of expectations last week. "We're not going to win the 2002 World Cup," he said, smiling. "You can put that in your headline." Fine. But it's hard not to be bullish on American men's soccer these days.

Issue date: May 7, 2001

[bosna_11]

look at the competition.

[lilphenom]

competition ??? there is no competiton minus spain in your gruop and according to you no competition in our group minus mexico. but like i said , i guarentee we would have more then 4 points . no disrespect but if i was in your situation with only 4 points in that group i wiould be laying low for the time being and like i said i mean no disrespect at all so dont take this the wrong way but i mean minus spain that is not a very good gruop

[Ivan]

hehehehe... this is actually a pretty good argument developing here :cool:

[bosna_11]

Ok Mexico is not a very good team either, so then there is no good team in CONCACAF, even the US is pretty crappy in my opinion. (no offense).


True we have 4 points, and I do think that we should have more and that we should be in a better position but I have seen the games and we have for many games if not all the games outplayed these teams but have come up short, we are a fairly new country so its going to take time but the talent is there.

I don't think there are many weak teams in Europe except for around 4-5 countires, these countries are bad usually because they are small countries, with a small population, like San Marino (26,000). Austria and Israel are strong clubs, while they might not have the biggest talent the dicipline is what wins them the games.

Ok Liechestein is one of those weak countires and I would agree with you that they are crap.

[lilphenom]

4 or 5 weak countries ??? are you kidding ??? wel if that is true then 2 of them are on your group . look like i said i mean no disrespect and i will be the first to tell you i get carried away when it come to my national team but come on don't kid yourself. We are better then we get credit for , are we in a not so srong group ?? hell ya but we are taking full advantage of that 10 points in 4 games i dont care what group you aare in that is excellent and well mexico ntil today at home is unbeatable . the way this region works more so then any other region is that you have to win your home games . in europe you can get away with that becasue there is such a huge differene between some of the teams that it does not matter where you are playing . but here from top to bottom there is not the same difference as say spain to leichstin . can we agree on that ?? i mean look we are not a world power ( yet ) but give us time like i said this is not even close to being this countries number one sport and to be at the level we are in great . i dont know if football is bih first sport but things have to develop like you said. Just give un until 2002 and i will promise we will not dissapony again good luck in qualfying and well this is probally the end from me unless some on carries on this thread if not good luck :thumbsup:


USA 2002


lilphenom

[bosna_11]

Thanks, and good luck to the States too.



I agree with you that there is a big difference between Spain and Liechestein but in my mind Liechestein is one of the 5 bad teams in Europe, and other teams like San Marino.


but Bosnia in the first game lost to Spain 2-1 in a game that they could and should have won. that is impressive and we are just going to get better as we are a new country, but any country that was part of Yugoslavia is a country that knows how to play soccer.


Well lets just say this, both teams are improving alot and soon might be powers.

I mean look at Slovenia.

It would be cool if Bosnia and the US had a friendly, maybe then we could really compare.

by the way I watched the US game the other day, and they played pretty well but not as well as Bosnia :D

[The Real Sergio]

DONT STOP GUYS !!!


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Even Bayerns co-trainer Michael Henke played in that match vs NY Metrostars !!!!

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And think about how many points would have Bosnia in USA qualification group !!!!

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BTW: My favourite US player is Cobi Jones (banned for 2 matches ;)). Can you post some more info about him ;)

[lilphenom]

well i will say this we would have more then 4 points in your group and you would probally have more points in our group too,



now for cobi jones. his suspension was reduced to one game by fifa he should be playing on Wed against T & T and also according to what i have heard yoke has quit the T & T national team, howevr jones did suffer a slight injury but i dont know how serious it is and i dont know if he will be called up. but if he is healthy i think he will be there on Wed








MSG: I didnt edit this i just missed the button!!

[The Real Sergio]

Originally posted by lilphenom
[B]well i will say this we would have more then 4 points in your group and you would probally have more points in our group too,


thanks!!!


now for cobi jones. his suspension was reduced to one game by fifa he should be playing on Wed against T & T and also according to what i have heard yoke has quit the T & T national team, howevr jones did suffer a slight injury but i dont know how serious it is and i dont know if he will be called up. but if he is healthy i think he will be there on Wed

Wasnt he banned from 3 to 2 games???
At which club is he at the moment?

[lilphenom]

cobi just got called up and will be on the roster tomorrow he plays for the Los Angeles Galaxy . and what happened was he got the red card in the qualifier sat out his mandatory one game and then after that fifa came and slapped a 2 game suspension on him after the 1st game so that would have meant 3 games altogher but they reduced the 2 game suspension to just one so he only ended up missing 2 games and is back on the roster .

[Paxziero]

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[Number 34]

I didn't read the whole thread but i just wanted to say that i am going to america for a ternament and then provincails in idaho
i have played against many AMERICAN kids before and to tell you the truth most of them sucked like the only thing they did was kick the ball there were about 12 good teams but all teh people on those teams where spanish so all in all america is okay but like the average bosnian male could whip and average american male in one on one soccer or even in groups
yeah america has had good players but thats it
like the average american citizen would get trampled by the average bosnian citizen- in soccer
no offense just speaking my mind
wouldnt you agree

[Aussie-Bosanac]

hehehe i like your post

that's why i'm welcoming you with arms wide open hehehe