Truth about Islam from an ex-muslim lady

[ricoo9]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

this lady tells it like it is... sad but true

[Pape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfQcAfA3p4

[Saraj Fanático]

LOLOLOLOL! What doe sthe stupid bitch know. here are what the copnverts have to say. Islam is Number 1 is growth of all. That women represents the total of 10 idiots that convert from Islam.


Islam treats women like beasts???? Ohhhh if she only came here or in Istanbul or thousands of places around the Islamic globe that has Women rights like the west. Islam doesnt slave any women. She doesnt know shit. She thinks the Taliban which the US created represent Islam. She can go to hell.

Plus she thinks Islam is a race!!! WHAT A IDIOT! She doesnt even know what islam is and there she is judging it! lol!

Converts!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=63OkUcim8M0
I wonder why Angela converted if Islam is the religion that hates Women

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c2L8mi3Bhq4
Most of the Converts are women

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jUoh4a6uaM8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NxSoI3Lp6zQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_foBQRmVCAM&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yu54C-qw0Zc&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CML3CRPMefA

I have many more..... nice try ricco.

[poutismalakas]

The reason the most converts are women is because they marry muslim men! Also just because she doen't agree with her old religion it doesn't make her a "stupid bitch" where is your respect for women even ones who disagree with you?

[BlueArsedFly]

truth hurts eh sarajevo?

[())__Green__))>]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L-8U81HBjrg&mode=related&search=
check this out!!
if you believe islam is all bad.. look at this!!
if you believe islam is behind 9/11

[Sandro1]

ricoo9 this is not the best way to insult another religion

lol i wonder why these guys starts this crap all over again ?

bullshit..

[femi_6]

man, u ppl arent very nice... some of what the woman said was true and some of it was a bit wrong either way ppl should believe what they wanna believe as long as its telling them to be good ppl

[Ero]

right after the muslim vs christian war on sfn ended it had to start up again? just let it go and mods close all these threads

[Cell]

Dont worry, Ricco is just a shit starting jackass. He started all this so he could watch other people fight.

[Saraj Fanático]

The reason the most converts are women is because they marry muslim men! Also just because she doen't agree with her old religion it doesn't make her a "stupid bitch" where is your respect for women even ones who disagree with you?


loL! Watch the video you propagandist! Those women arent even married! They took on Islam since they found it as a cure and found it as a religion where women have privacy and respect.

Let me ask you something? You probably think the Hijab is bad but do you think a woman would rather wear a Hijab then show her body to thousands of strangers who think she is made for sex? Would you like your mother or your wife to wear a Hijab or be a prostitute? You know the truth. Your too scared to express it.

[Cell]

Are you Muslim, Sarajevo?

[Saraj Fanático]

truth hurts eh sarajevo?


I gave them all the truth. they should accept it. Some sites state that over 69% of converts to Islam happen to be women (WHo want to be treated as beasts according to the genious in that video :lol:)

[Saraj Fanático]

Are you Muslim, Sarajevo?


alhamdulillah yes I am :D

[poutismalakas]

loL! Watch the video you propagandist! Those women arent even married! They took on Islam since they found it as a cure and found it as a religion where women have privacy and respect.

Let me ask you something? You probably think the Hijab is bad but do you think a woman would rather wear a Hijab then show her body to thousands of strangers who think she is made for sex? Would you like your mother or your wife to wear a Hijab or be a prostitute? You know the truth. Your too scared to express it.
So your saying since My Mother, Sister, and Woman don't waer a hijab their prostitutes?????:mad2: NEVER LET ME MEET YOU IN PERSON!!!:mad2:

[Saraj Fanático]

So your saying since My Mother, Sister, and Woman don't waer a hijab their prostitutes?????:mad2: NEVER LET ME MEET YOU IN PERSON!!!:mad2:


hahaahahhah! ARE YOU JOKING! I am asking you would you rather see your mom one day become a prostitute or wear a Hijab one day. I didnt say 'If she doesnt wear Hijab she is a prostitute'. Read first little guy. :lol:

[Cell]

alhamdulillah yes I am :D

i thought you were a buddhist.

[poutismalakas]

THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU SAID MALAKAS!! don't back track now!!! You gave me choice wear hijab or your a whore!!!!

[())__Green__))>]

check out my quotation from another thread
^dude
if america lied about the whole iraq thing "weapons of mass destruction"
they probably lied about 9/11 too
look man
it says in my religion .. Islam
it says.. "whenever you get information about something. check it out before you pass it on to the second person or the third person"
it is from a video
so don't convict islam or muslims of having anything to do with 9/11 before you actually prove it 110% instead of showing us these bullshit fake tapes and lies..

check this video out, Muslim Peoples Point Of View!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wjR1BsTWMVc&mode=related&search=

[Saraj Fanático]

i thought you were a buddhist.


lol. Wow a Bosnian Buddhist. Thats a new one. :lol:

[Saraj Fanático]

THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU SAID MALAKAS!! don't back track now!!! You gave me choice wear hijab or your a whore!!!!

NO YOU IDIOT! I said would you rather one day see your mother as a prostitute or as a woman with hijab. I am also saying with my comment that would you like a community of Women with hijab or being prostitutes.

This is also a problem with you anti Islam smart asses you keep mixing up words and making them offensive. I didnt call your mother a prostitute nor do I care what she is. I am asking you in general. Nobody has to wear Hijab but you make Hijab seem so bad that I suggested this question that challenges you. So answer it.

[kram]

D

[poutismalakas]

NO YOU IDIOT! I said would you rather one day see your mother as a prostitute or as a woman with hijab. I am also saying with my comment that would you like a community of Women with hijab or being prostitutes.

This is also a problem with you anti Islam smart asses you keep mixing up words and making them offensive. I didnt call your mother a prostitute nor do I care what she is. I am asking you in general. Nobody has to wear Hijab but you make Hijab seem so bad that I suggested this question that challenges you. So answer it.
Why are you calling me names WHEN IS IT YOU WHO CALLED THE WOMEN IN MY FAMILY WHORES FOR NOT WEARING hajib by asking which would I chose if they wear it or they be Whores WHAT DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU????!!!!! I NEVER SAID HAJIB is bad!!!! I didn't mix up words here is what you said!!!


Let me ask you something? You probably think the Hijab is bad but do you think a woman would rather wear a Hijab then show her body to thousands of strangers who think she is made for sex? Would you like your mother or your wife to wear a Hijab or be a prostitute? You know the truth. Your too scared to express it.
What kind of question is THIS???? Would I want my Mother or my Girlfriend either wear a hijab or be a Prostitute?? That sounds to me that they are whores if they dont wear a hijab!! ALSO NOT ALL women dress up skippy-like here or in Europe!!! YOu say that I generalize when it you who generalizes

[kram]

D

[poutismalakas]

I could care less what anybody wears as long as they are happy. Don't judge me and I won't judge you!
With options to a question like that.... come one!

[Fenerliyim]

the is forum just makes me laugh. Its better than jerry springer.

[emode]

the is forum just makes me laugh. Its better than jerry springer.

why? i don't think its funny at all!!! :yuck:

I don't like people judging other people religion b/c no good ever comes out of it. Islam is a peacefull religion. Wearing hijab doesn't prevent muslim women from being succesful. We just need to respect other people beliefs & not judge them because of what they wear!!!!

[Fenerliyim]

i myself am a muslim, i just find their constant bickering quite funny. They are not gonna get anywhere with this kind of fighting. Both sides have their opinions, and both r gonna stick to it. I am siding with the muslims on this one myself. But FC Sarejevo or the rest of the bosnians arent gonna get to far if they keep calling the other sides idiots and other insults like that. They are actually contradicting themselves half the time, they should try to explain their views with a calm and mature way, not the way they are doing now.

[poutismalakas]

i myself am a muslim, i just find their constant bickering quite funny. They are not gonna get anywhere with this kind of fighting. Both sides have their opinions, and both r gonna stick to it. I am siding with the muslims on this one myself. But FC Sarejevo or the rest of the bosnians arent gonna get to far if they keep calling the other sides idiots and other insults like that. They are actually contradicting themselves half the time, they should try to explain their views with a calm and mature way, not the way they are doing now.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT! I've tried not to be insulting even though I am percieved so at times.

My only grip was with the Question about about the Hajib and weither I'd prefer for MY Mother and Girlfriend to wear it or be prostitutes WHICH Pissed me off because I percieved that question to imply if you don't wear a hajib your a whore? It got me furious because of my Mother and Girlfriend being involved in the question! Also as stewed I thought of my Grandmother who's death STILL after 6 years leaves me almost in tears just at the slight thought of her. Is this how his guy thinks of ALL women who dont wear a hajib???

I felt that yes there are women in the west who dress us in a very suggestive clothing due to what it taught to them via the media and feminists as to what is considered beautiful and that women should want to feel "sexy" I've found women who dress modestly and allow their personality to come out are MUCH more attractive than some the foolish or misguided woman who thinks that wearing a dress that barely covers her is considered a good choice of apparal to wear out on the town! I am lucky in that my woman doesn't like to dress up like that (One of the reasons why I am with her besides her wit and intelligence)

What I'm trying to say is that women who respect themselves will NOT dress that way! It doesn't matter what religion you are if you lack selfrespect you will GO to great leights to fill that viod within weither it is dressing up like bimbo to being a bully on the school yard!

[Pape]

lol sometime i hope your batteries run out and you guys stop posting this stuff

[())__Green__))>]

^so saying muslims were behind 9/11 and muslims are terrorists isn't a insult to us??

[poutismalakas]

^so saying muslims were behind 9/11 and muslims are terrorists isn't a insult to us??
YOU KNOW WHAT..... I don't think ISLAM is behind 9/11. I think Islamic extremist assholes who KILLED my cousin's Husband (was on 1st plane)JUST so they can martyr themsleves for cause! DID! NOTHING YOU SAY CAN CHANGE MY MIND EXCEPT for George Buch going to TV with ALL the men telling the US people I did it!!! That is the ONLY way you will change my mind!!!

[())__Green__))>]

ok fine suit yourself but don't say it is insulting to you
when mentioning the word "terrorist" with islam is very insulting

[Pape]

Okay so there is 2 sides.

Christians say Muslims have their own propoganda and think that Bush set up 9/11.

Muslims say Christians have their own propoganda and think that Muslim extremist did it.

Both of you are very ignorant.

Muslims are trying to say everybody in their religion is peaceful and nobody does anything bad. But common, get real, there is more violence by religious extremist in this religion today than any other? Even if it is over hyped by the media its still should be pretty evident.

Christians are trying to say that Muslims as a hole support terrorism and are all bad people. This is very ridiculous and Christians should get real because there are obviously lots of nut jobs Christians that kill lots of people but just pretend to be innocent while doing it.

How can we fix this?
We can fix this by both sides admiting their embarassments and truely saying what we feel about them.

But since both sides are always offended this in reality can't work out. So you all should just STFU and move on.

[poutismalakas]

ok fine suit yourself but don't say it is insulting to you
when mentioning the word "terrorist" with islam is very insulting
What you should be insulted about is that a bunch of assholes have done messed up crap in the name of your religion. SOME Of which is in DIRECT contridiction to want you have said about your personal beliefs! If I was you I would be more pissed off that JERKS are getting people to commit susicide to KILL women and children than victims calling some assholes who just happen to claim they are muslim terrorist! Those people have hijacked the reputation of your religion in the west


Check out some of these quotes the ones highlight are the proeper response NOT violence!!!

Quotes by Mohammad Khatami

On US occupation in iraq

Former Iranian president Mohammad Khatami delivered a speech at the United Nations University in Tokyo in August 2006. Khatami said that the United States should stay in Iraq until the Iraqi government has things under control.

On secularism

Of course we may assume many general and non-historical meanings for secularism, but turning a subject that is in all its existence a historical matter into a non-historical matter is a blatant mistake. (Berlin Institute of Advanced Studies, Nov 2005)

Secularism is the experience of the Western culture and thought. Insisting on spreading it to places where the underlying intellectual background, and the political and social reasons for its appearance are lacking, is clearly a mistake, regardless of being desirable or not. (Berlin Institute of Advanced Studies, Nov 2005)

On western civilization

Without a doubt, we will succeed in moving forward, only if we have the capacity to reap the benefit of positive, scientific and social accomplishments of Western civilization. (Islamic summit 1997)
Liberalism is the world's religion. We do not have the right to insult liberalism. (after Malaysia conference on Islam and West, 2006)

On the Dialogue Among Civilizations and Political ethics

A basic change in political ethics is required for the realization of the proposal[The dialog among civilizations]. (UNESCO 1999)
In order to understand the meaning of the phrase dialogue among civilizations as defined here, one has no choice but to closely pay attention to a number of points one of which is the relationship between a politician and an artist, and the other is the relationship between ethics and politics. (UNESCO 1999)

On Saddam and the Death Penalty

I don't like the death penalty, although if there is one case where there should be an execution, the fairest case would be for Saddam. But I would never wish for that. 18 December 2003

On Shirin Ebadi and Nobel Peace Prize

"Must I always send a message for everything," when asked why he had not responded to the award for Shirin Ebadi, the first Iranian Nobel Prize winner, four days after it was made. "The Nobel Peace Prize is not very important, the ones that count are the scientific and literary prizes," he added. However it seemed in those early remarks, Khatami was trying to reduce conservatives anger over Shirin Ebadi, who wore no Hijab while accepting the prize in the ceremony, because later Khatami in an interview reported by Iran press service.com ([19]) on December 12, 2003 said: "The Nobel Prize is very important in all domains; it is obvious that every Iranian must be proud to know that another Iranian, especially an Iranian woman, got this Prize. This said, more important than the prize of the peace is peace itself. Our world is a world of war, a world of terror and violence, a world of illness and famine, a world of discrimination", he replied when observed that the welcome reserved to the laureate in Iran was "tepid". "Politic is always an important factor. She continues her work, a work that, I hope, she would be able to pursue freely in Iran. I also know that she had some problems"

On the Controversy of Danish Cartoons of Prophet Mohammad

Offending and insulting, is different from expressing an opinion that can be analyzed, argued on, and can eventually be accepted or rejected [therefore offending others is not acceptable] ... But in addition to the west, we ourselves also have problems in this regard. Instead of logical criticism or debate, we only keep saying offensive things about liberalism, democracy and modernism. I had told some of our elders before, that the religion of the today's world is 'liberalism' and we have no right to make insults about it. We should not keep using phrases such as "the corrupt culture of the west" etc. in our words. As it's also said in the Holy Koran, "Do not insult the gods of others, otherwise you are indirectly insulting your God". February 15th, 2006, during a press interview in Tehran's airport upon his return from a cultural conference in Malaysia. [20][21]

On Pope John Paul II

Pope John Paul II was a seeker of truth, justice and peace. Pope John Paul II was a disciple of religious mysticism, philosophic deliberation and thought and artistic and poetic creativity, By emphasising his experience and teachings, (he) earnestly tried to utilise them in the path of the triumph of truth, justice and peace. It is hoped that the leadership of Catholic Christianity, by following the teachings of the Prophet Jesus, may peace be upon him, by interacting with justice seeking and peace loving political-religious leaders and by also following the ethical and humanitarian thinking of John Paul II, help the world towards a better and more just life. (Reported by AFP on April 3, 2005 in his condoling Message to Vatican)

On Hizbullah

We believe that Hizbullah has an authentic Lebanese identity, which of course we like and is close to us. I emphasized this in talks with Mr. Chirac, who said he has never called to weaken or disarm Hizbullah, and on that matter he is in disagreement with some of his European allies. Hizbullah will remain and keep its weapons.[22]

Said in a message to Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah that “Hezbollah is like a shining sun which warms up all oppressed Muslims, especially those in Palestine and Lebanon”.[23][24][25][26]

On Terrorism and 9/11 Attacks

Terrorism, which means killing civilians in whatever name or title, lacks morality, and nobody who lacks such principle will go to heaven. (During a speech at Council on American-Islamic Relations, September 8, 2006) [27]

On the United States regarding Terrorism

...the policies that the United States has chosen unfortunately have brought about the wrong sentiment toward the United States and has only increased, and will only increase, extremism in our region. [28]
On Suicide Bombers

In response on the motives of suicide bombers, he said that, "Those who put others through hell will never go to heaven". [29]

[ricoo9]

YOU KNOW WHAT..... I don't think ISLAM is behind 9/11. I think Islamic extremist assholes who KILLED my cousin's Husband (was on 1st plane)JUST so they can martyr themsleves for cause! DID! NOTHING YOU SAY CAN CHANGE MY MIND EXCEPT for George Buch going to TV with ALL the men telling the US people I did it!!! That is the ONLY way you will change my mind!!!

one good thing about islam is that those "martyrs" are atleast now in paradise and have thousands of virigins to their disposle, not to mention the slaves that they will have in "paradise," thanks to the thousands of people they killed ;)
btw no other religion gives u promises for killing others in the name of 'god'. Islam is great!!!

[Bosanac]

one good thing about islam is that those "martyrs" are atleast now in paradise and have thousands of virigins to their disposle, not to mention the slaves that they will have in "paradise," thanks to the thousands of people they killed ;)
btw no other religion gives u promises for killing others in the name of 'god'. Islam is great!!!

:boo:

Islam clearly states that you go to hell if you kill another human being unreasonably. Only self-defense is justified, you should really take a look at a thread called Truth About Islam before you start babling your bullshit.


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Why would you guys even post in a thread called Truth about Islam (from an EX-muslim lady). The fact that she's not Muslim anymore means she will twist every single Islamic ideas to pull more people in her direction, which is to not be a Muslim. All the things she said is from a completely different perspective, and half of them not even true which is exactly what all these Anti-Islamic people want. Guess why this thread even exists? I bet the creator of this thread spent hours, and hours searching for this report just to put a black stain over Islam. When in truth, the real assholes in this thread are not Muslims, but people who are standing against what we believe. Heck, maybe I should create a thread called 'Truth about Christianity from a Muslim'. I bet it would get the same attention!


When people judge something like a religion based on a few recent examples, it just means they have no idea what they're talking about but just following propaganda.

You don't see Muslims doing that though, right? If we were as stupid as these Christians on this thread than you know what we Muslims could do? Every time they mention something about terrorist attacks and tie it to Islam, we could mention them dropping 2 nuclear bombs in Japan. No, better yet, we could remind them that they treated black people like slaves. We could tell them how great their religion is, and how their Fathers in their churches rape little boys. But hey.. Screw that, they're only trying to make themselves look good and obsess about terrorist attacks to forget what THEY did!

We don't need to do that though, we're peaceful people. Let them talk, is what I say.. let them talk

[Fenerliyim]

one good thing about islam is that those "martyrs" are atleast now in paradise and have thousands of virigins to their disposle, not to mention the slaves that they will have in "paradise," thanks to the thousands of people they killed ;)
btw no other religion gives u promises for killing others in the name of 'god'. Islam is great!!!


See this is a reply that will piss people off cause its obvious you dont know what your talking about. Those "martyrs" are nothing but suicide bombers who will not be sent to heaven but actually hell for the rest of their lives for a) killing themselves and b) for killing many innocent people.

[ricoo9]

I cant believe u guys wont accept the facts this lady is making! What buddhist goes and blows up a church or a mosque? Did u ever see a jew blow themselves up in the name of god? The fact that it is allowed in Islam to kill should give u a hint of what type of religion this is.
There were many well made points, so good in fact that those muslim guys were completely shut up.
Just take the examples from what is occuring now with the pope, he has apologized now for the millionth time for something that was taken out of context and Muslims in those countries are still saying "Death to the west!!" Their burning images of the pope, etc... and one more thing, I still remember after the attacks of 9/11 how they were celebrating and rejoicing in palestine. What type of religion u must be in to celebrate something like that :sad:

Theres is a reason why she is not Muslim anymore, think about it.;)

[Bosanac]

I cant believe u guys wont accept the facts this lady is making! What buddhist goes and blows up a church or a mosque? Did u ever see a jew blow themselves up in the name of god? The fact that it is allowed in Islam to kill should give u a hint of what type of religion this is.
There were many well made points, so good in fact that those muslim guys were completely shut up.
Just take the examples from what is occuring now with the pope, he has apologized now for the millionth time for something that was taken out of context and Muslims in those countries are still saying "Death to the west!!" Their burning images of the pope, etc... and one more thing, I still remember after the attacks of 9/11 how they were celebrating and rejoicing in palestine. What type of religion u must be in to celebrate something like that :sad:

Theres is a reason why she is not Muslim anymore, think about it.;)

You keep making same stupid points that all clueless people made in this forum, don't you rats ever quit? Let me tell you what is actually going on..

Did u ever see a jew blow themselves up in the name of god?

They are not killing in the name of God, but in the name of their countries, their children and their wives that were killed because American and other western countries supplied Israel with all the military supplies to kill Muslims. What else are they going to do? They have to respond somehow.

The fact that it is allowed in Islam to kill should give u a hint of what type of religion this is.

It is not allowed to kill in Islam, terrorists have used partial quotes from the Qur'an to recruit dumbasses who do not know a thing about Islam because when those quotes are read fully from Qur'an, you can easily see that they are against Violence. Exact same thing that American media have done to have YOU think that Islam is promoting violence, in a way.. American media is acting like a terrorist organization.

I still remember after the attacks of 9/11 how they were celebrating and rejoicing in palestine. What type of religion u must be in to celebrate something like that :sad:

Once again, they were not celebrating because you guys are Christians and they are Muslims. No, they were celebrating since they hate America and hope that the worst happens to America due to the simple fact that America supplies Israel with weapons.

Theres is a reason why she is not Muslim anymore, think about it.;)
You should be banned from this forum for saying something like that!

[ricoo9]

It is not allowed to kill in Islam, terrorists have used partial quotes from the Qur'an to recruit dumbasses who do not know a thing about Islam because when those quotes are read fully from Qur'an, you can easily see that they are against Violence. Exact same thing that American media have done to have YOU think that Islam is promoting violence, in a way.. American media is acting like a terrorist organization.

It is not allowed to kill in Islam? The following are quotes directectly from the koran which prove the violent mentality that Islam promotes for certain people.


Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:216).

Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).


Once again, they were not celebrating because you guys are Christians and they are Muslims. No, they were celebrating since they hate America and hope that the worst happens to America due to the simple fact that America supplies Israel with weapons.

The day the entire US celebrates the death of thousands of people from another country, that will be the day we convert to Islam.


You should be banned from this forum for saying something like that!

I should be banned for stating my opinions? I have seen much worst in other threads. Look, I know not all muslims are terrorist and alot of them are very good people, who have a lot of faith in god etc; I myself have a few muslim friends but its because of those errors in the koran, that deceive people into doing things like that and give them a bad name. Thats why I agree with this lady and the fact that she is not muslim anymore explains a lot, dont u think?

[Bosanac]

It is not allowed to kill in Islam? The following are quotes directectly from the koran which prove the violent mentality that Islam promotes for certain people.

Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:216).

Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).


Look at that.. Christianity promotes violence as well-

Religious texts, if not read within their proper textual and historical contexts, are easily manipulated and distorted. Let us look at the Bible and apply the standards applied above.

In Deuteronomy, the fifth book of the Torah, Moses shares this message from God as the Israelites prepare to enter the Promised Land: "I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy." (Deut. 32:42)

"When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord, your God, delivers them before you and you defeat them, destroy them utterly. Make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them" (Deuteronomy 7:1-2).

"When your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying 'Let us go and serve other gods,' . . . you shall kill him, your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God. . . " (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10)

"When you approach a city to fight it, offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, all the people found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, besiege it. When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, kill all the men in it. Take as booty only the women, children, animals, and all that is in the city, all its spoils. Use the spoils of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you. . . Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deuteronomy 20:10-17).

"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But spare for yourselves all virgin maidens" (Numbers 31:17-18).

"I will send my terror in front of you. . . you shall utterly demolish them and break their pillars in pieces" (Exodus 23: 23-24, 27).

The New Testament attributes the following statements to Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Mathew 10:34-35).

"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).

There are dozens of other verses that, if taken out from their historical context, seem to favor violence. Some violent Muslim groups misuse the Qur'anic verses just as various violent Jewish and Christian groups have used them to justify their causes. The Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. The Nazis used them against Jews. Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims, and Zionists regularly use them against Palestinians. David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Baruch Goldstein all relied on religious texts to justify their violence.


The day the entire US celebrates the death of thousands of people from another country, that will be the day we convert to Islam.


Don't tell me you're not at least a bit happy Israel is killing all those Muslims?


I should be banned for stating my opinions? I have seen much worst in other threads. Look, I know not all muslims are terrorist and alot of them are very good people, who have a lot of faith in god etc; I myself have a few muslim friends but its because of those errors in the koran, that deceive people into doing things like that and give them a bad name. Thats why I agree with this lady and the fact that she is not muslim anymore explains a lot, dont u think?

The fact she is not a Muslim anymore does explain a lot, and it gives us a pretty good reason as to why she would even say the things she said.

[materazziIZbad]

The word terrorist isn't associated with islam, it's associated with idiots.

The US created the taliban? What?

[poutismalakas]

As far as quotoing ANY holy book what SHOULD be done is FIRST READ the WHOLE chapter to understand what is written!!!

[ricoo9]

Look at that.. Christianity promotes violence as well-

Religious texts, if not read within their proper textual and historical contexts, are easily manipulated and distorted. Let us look at the Bible and apply the standards applied above.

In Deuteronomy, the fifth book of the Torah, Moses shares this message from God as the Israelites prepare to enter the Promised Land: "I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy." (Deut. 32:42)

"When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord, your God, delivers them before you and you defeat them, destroy them utterly. Make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them" (Deuteronomy 7:1-2).

"When your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying 'Let us go and serve other gods,' . . . you shall kill him, your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God. . . " (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10)

"When you approach a city to fight it, offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, all the people found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, besiege it. When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, kill all the men in it. Take as booty only the women, children, animals, and all that is in the city, all its spoils. Use the spoils of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you. . . Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deuteronomy 20:10-17).

"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But spare for yourselves all virgin maidens" (Numbers 31:17-18).

"I will send my terror in front of you. . . you shall utterly demolish them and break their pillars in pieces" (Exodus 23: 23-24, 27).

The New Testament attributes the following statements to Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Mathew 10:34-35).

"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).

There are dozens of other verses that, if taken out from their historical context, seem to favor violence. Some violent Muslim groups misuse the Qur'anic verses just as various violent Jewish and Christian groups have used them to justify their causes. The Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. The Nazis used them against Jews. Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims, and Zionists regularly use them against Palestinians. David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Baruch Goldstein all relied on religious texts to justify their violence..


Yes, u are right about that. If certain things from the bible are taken out of context it could be used to start wars etc, that is if taken out of historical context unlike the direct commands from ur "prophet" which I have on my previous post.


Don't tell me you're not at least a bit happy Israel is killing all those Muslims?.
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Grow up man.


The fact she is not a Muslim anymore does explain a lot, and it gives us a pretty good reason as to why she would even say the things she said.

Yes, once she came to this country and educated herself and learned the truth about Islam.

here is an interview they did to the same lady after her comments on that arab show http://youtube.com/watch?v=m7SD4UCTb-E

[Bosanac]

Yes, u are right about that. If certain things from the bible are taken out of context it could be used to start wars etc, that is if taken out of historical context unlike the direct commands from ur "prophet" which I have on my previous post.


There are commands up there by Jesus himself talking about violence. Isn't he your 'prophet'?


Yes, once she came to this country and educated herself and learned the truth about Islam.


You have won the grand prize of the day rico, for saying the stupidest thing ever!

She came to America and learned the truth about Islam. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[BlueArsedFly]

so now a plane has been hijacked in a protest about the pope. What next?

all muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslim

[poutismalakas]

There are commands up there by Jesus himself talking about violence. Isn't he your 'prophet'?



You have won the grand prize of the day rico, for saying the stupidest thing ever!

She came to America and learned the truth about Islam. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is the Parable of the Talents (sometimes The Parable of Talents) is a parable of Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 25:14-30). It was told to illustrate the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven, and that diligence in carrying out one's responsibilities is essential for more important tasks in the future.



Luke 19:12-27 (New International Version)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society


12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'

14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'

17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'

19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'

20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'

22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'

24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'

25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'

26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."


Matthew 10 (New International Version)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

Matthew 10
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve


32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[e]

37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
He saying that those who deny Christ's message and his deciples will be punished by God

It basically says that the Word of God will divide families between the rightous and the unrightous! because some will follow Christ and others who will deny Christ will be angry with their bretheren. Also where does it instruct the Deciples to commit violence? The word "sword" is used as a metaphor to describe the division that Christ's message will bring between those who accept it and those who reject it

[bosniak fighter]

all of you guys can talk crap

islam will always last our religion knows whats RIGHT and one day you will see

ALLAHU EKHBER
ISLAM WILL LIVE FOREVER ALLAH WILL SAVE US ISLAM IS IN EVRY CONTINENT OF THE WORLD

[Bosanac]

This is the Parable of the Talents (sometimes The Parable of Talents) is a parable of Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 25:14-30). It was told to illustrate the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven, and that diligence in carrying out one's responsibilities is essential for more important tasks in the future.



I don't care about that, I was just making my point. Any context from any Bible, be it the Christian bible or the Qur'an, can be distored and make it seem like they favor violence while in truth they don't.

[poutismalakas]

I don't care about that, I was just making my point. Any context from any Bible, be it the Christian bible or the Qur'an, can be distored and make it seem like they favor violence while in truth they don't.
I agree BUT do you understand what I tried to explain about those verses? Also please explain those verses in Quran and included the whole chapter as well. This way people can completely understand what thesebooks are trying to convey to the reader???

[Bosanac]

I agree BUT do you understand what I tried to explain about those verses? Also please explain those verses in Quran and included the whole chapter as well. This way people can completely understand what thesebooks are trying to convey to the reader???

Islam does not allow or sanctify the killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. According to the Qur'an and Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) life is sacrosanct.


Other critics of Islam found: "Kill them wherever you catch them. . . " (2:191), ". . . But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89), and similar verses.

When placed within their textual and historical contexts, however, their true meanings emerge:

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).



We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See 5:32.)


Muslims believe in all Prophets sent by Allah, and so do not misuse or misinterpret the religious texts of other faiths in order to defame them. Even in recent times, Muslims have and are facing genocidal campaigns in Bosnia, Kosova, Chechnia, Kashmir, and Palestine but they have not questioned Judaism and Christianity. Such a spirit needs to be reciprocated.

[poutismalakas]

Nice that explains some of the verses used to criticize your beliefs! This HOW WE SHOULD explain our belief to each other so that we may better understand each other!

[Saraj Fanático]

one good thing about islam is that those "martyrs" are atleast now in paradise and have thousands of virigins to their disposle, not to mention the slaves that they will have in "paradise," thanks to the thousands of people they killed ;)
btw no other religion gives u promises for killing others in the name of 'god'. Islam is great!!!


Go blow yourself you dumb ass. You never read the Quran you hitler wannbe. Read it you douchebag before talking CNNs propaganda. Stop watching the news and pick up the book yourself you idiot. Maybe then you will find out the truth.

And that 72 virgin thing was made up by the Taliban WHICH AMERICA HAS CREATED. Funny how it all connects.

[Saraj Fanático]

Nice that explains some of the verses used to criticize your beliefs! This HOW WE SHOULD explain our belief to each other so that we may better understand each other!


He gave you verses that prove our point.

[Saraj Fanático]

so now a plane has been hijacked in a protest about the pope. What next?

all muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslim


lol. And what about the genocides in Checnya, Kashmir, iraq, Afghanistan, Dagestan, and in Lebanon. Who did the killing!? It was Jesus worshippers so can I say all Christians are not terrorists, terrorists are christians.

WOWWWWW A PLANE GOT HIJACKED!!!! OH MY GOD! Thats terrible!

Try having bombs falling next door. You Anti Islamic dicks have to grow some balls. In Islamic land we suffer and get slaughtered but we dont complain, we fight for our land until the last man. Muslims see their wifes raped, children killed in their beds, and daily kidnappings and we dont cry about it but look at you, a hijacked plane scares you so much! This is why Muslims will always be victorious. ;) Count on that buddy.

BY THE WAYYYY!!! The hijacker is a christian you moron!

CNN states
Turkish officials said the hijacker, identified as Hasan Ekinci, wrote a letter to the pope in August asking for help in avoiding service in the Turkish army.

"I am a Christian and don't want to serve a Muslim army," he wrote, adding that he had been attending church since 1998.

lol seems to me like not all Christians are terrorists, all terrorists are christians. Owned.

[drew57ni]

lol. And what about the genocides in Checnya, Kashmir, iraq, Afghanistan, Dagestan, and in Lebanon. Who did the killing!? It was Jesus worshippers so can I say all Christians are not terrorists, terrorists are christians.

WOWWWWW A PLANE GOT HIJACKED!!!! OH MY GOD! Thats terrible!

Try having bombs falling next door. You Anti Islamic dicks have to grow some balls. In Islamic land we suffer and get slaughtered but we dont complain, we fight for our land until the last man. Muslims see their wifes raped, children killed in their beds, and daily kidnappings and we dont cry about it but look at you, a hijacked plane scares you so much! This is why Muslims will always be victorious. ;) Count on that buddy.

BY THE WAYYYY!!! The hijacker is a christian you moron!

CNN states
Turkish officials said the hijacker, identified as Hasan Ekinci, wrote a letter to the pope in August asking for help in avoiding service in the Turkish army.

"I am a Christian and don't want to serve a Muslim army," he wrote, adding that he had been attending church since 1998.

lol seems to me like not all Christians are terrorists, all terrorists are christians. Owned.
I think this post is racist against christians and provocative .This user should subsequently be banned.

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I think this post is racist against christians and provocative .This user should subsequently be banned.

shut up, ricco9

[poutismalakas]

He gave you verses that prove our point.
I agreed with him malakas! I STILL :mad2: want an apology from you!

[ricoo9]

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[Fenerliyim]

ok thats it ricoo one more smart ass comment from u and i'll ban u

[ricoo9]

why? for speaking my mind? What about ur fellow muslims who are calling people idiots and relating us to Nazi's and hitler etc... Anyway I apologize to any muslim who got offended, I have respect for all religions but since this is a forum ...I thought we had the liberty to speak our mind. I guess only muslims are allowed to insult others in this forum.

[Fenerliyim]

i have told them to shut up as well. I have said in my posts before they should not be calling you guys insults cause its only gonna make it worse for them as well. I think Poutis is being way too lienient(spelling) on u guys here. There should have been many warnings given out a long time ago.

But u calling 99.9% terrorist is wrong cause its the other way around. A muslim who commits a terroritic act is kicked out of Islam, they might say they are muslim but that does not mean they are muslim. Ignorance causes all these problems.

[ricoo9]

But u calling 99.9% terrorist is wrong cause its the other way around. A muslim who commits a terroritic act is kicked out of Islam, they might say they are muslim but that does not mean they are muslim. Ignorance causes all these problems.

Yes, I know and I do apologize for that. I guess this is a topic that gets people to heated up. As for the post were I said that comment, I deleted it, because I do recognize that was wrong of me to insinuate that.

[Fenerliyim]

thnks rico

[Saraj Fanático]

I think this post is racist against christians and provocative .This user should subsequently be banned.


Excuse me but I was refering to how he hurt my feelings and I decided to do the same to test you and him. It worked. Now you know how it felt when he said that to our religion. I didnt mean to insult your religion nor do I have interest in insulting what people believe.

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[ricoo9]

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I'd have to say saddam, he has bigger tities. :lol: