Did Nazism Die?

[PoliSci]

In his book Watchers on the Rhine, Brian Connell sums up the ridiculous situation that developed after World War II. He wrote that in the spring of 1947 "The vexed problem of DENAZIFICATION, which had been handled up that that time by the Allied authorities, was handed over to the Germans" (p.37) Just two years after their defeat!, THE GERMANS WERE ACTUALLY TOLD TO DENAZIFY THEMSELVES!

Later, using Bavaria as just one example, Connell called the German denazification effort a farce, saying the "Bavarian administration is largely in the hands of those who controlled it under Hitler." Connell's research substatiated the claim:
"Statistics show that 20, 682 of the 49,445 civil servants belonged to the Nazi Party of its affiliates. A total of 14,443 of these were dismissed and later reinstated in the service. Almost all of the 11,000 teachers who were removed for political reasons have been reappointed, representing roughtly 60% of the teaching staff employed by the Ministry of Education. 60% of the 15,000 employees in the FInance Ministry are FORMER NAZI'S, and 81% of the 924 judges, maginstrates and prosecutors in the Ministry of Justice."

To make matters worse, just four years after the Allies handed the denazification process over to the Germans,
"The German government declared officially that the denazification procesdure had been terminated" (ibid.). So much for cleansing itself of the Nazi Virus

Public Opinion after the war incidcated that Nazism was still in full force. Roger Eatwell referred to these revealing opinion polls in his book, Fascism "Although only about 10-15% of the population were classidied as hard-core Nazi's, the researchers found that there was a strong, lingering sense of racism. In 1946, 48% of Germans thought that some races were more fitted to rule than others; even more remarkaby in 1949, 59% were willing to say that Nazism was a good idea but badly carried out....Few claimed to have been opponents of the regime."

Several other historical documents released in the past few years add to Connell's evidence that the Germans failed to denaizy themselves. In 1991, Mark Aarons and John Loftus released a book titled Unholy Trinity which told the story of how underground networks illegally smuggled Nazi leaders out of the country after the War to safe-holds in Argentina and Brazil in South America. Aarons and Loftus based their findings on newly released U.S. Intelligence documents that had been classified for almost 50 years.

In 1996, another shocking intelligence document was released to the public. It revealed that when Nazi leaders realized they were losing the war in 1944, they met with top German industrialists to seek financing for the underground Nazi party "so that a strong German empire can be created after the defeat." This intelligence document, which should have sent shock waves through every newsroom in the world, received only sparse coverage.

And in 1997, Martin Lee, in his fascinating book The Beast Reawakens, revealed that "there had never really been a clean break from the Nazi past, given that the original leadership of West German Bundeswehr was recruited directly from the upper echelons of Hitler's Army. (Only three out of 217 Bundeswehr generals in 1976 were not Third Reich veterans, and 37 military bases in the Bonn Republic were named after soldiers who made their reputations during the Hitler years" (p.286)

From these documented facts and from what we see in Germany today, there are two overriding themses we ought to let sink into our minds. First, the almost overnight transormation of Germany from a devastated nation sifting through rubble and ashes to one of the most dominant and powerful natios in the world is nothing short of miraculously dangerous given that this same nation tried to take over the world on two occasions in the last century. It also proves that the German thoroughness in their war machine may have made amends with the fact that they were going to lose round 2, by planning for round 3.

Second, and equally miraculous, is the relative ease at which prominent NAZI leaders were either carted away to safety through vast underground networks or else admitted into the same positions they held during Hitler's regime.

For this reason Germany's leadership of the EU should be nothing short of shocking and an outrage in and of itself, which gives the reader the understanding of why Allied nation Britain has hesitancy in joining the EU, simply for fear of being swallowed up by the Beast who was not able to accomplish it's agenda the first two times around.

Folks Germany is rising again. This is nothing to turn your head away from.

Next in the series: "The Wall Comes Down" and "Germany's Earliest Roots".

[manfan1523]

no nazism didnt die and it never will. the support it had has spread through most countries where there are jews and non whites. it is something that we will have to deal with forever. and if all the jews are dead then someone will come out with something new, like killing all the muslims, oh wait that has started thanks to GW Bush.

[BlueArsedFly]

no nazism didnt die and it never will. the support it had has spread through most countries where there are jews and non whites. it is something that we will have to deal with forever. and if all the jews are dead then someone will come out with something new, like killing all the muslims, oh wait that has started thanks to GW Bush.


no it started with al quaeda declaring war on america with 9/11- in a similar way japan did it in 1941 and you seem to forget who defeated the nazis in the first place.

What didnt help was that so many muslim countries have the stated aim of wiping off the face of the earth a certain democratic country and providing safe haven and bases for terrorists whose aim is the destruction of western democracy. Did they really think the USA would just it back and let it happen like, with the exception of the UK, the spineless western europeans who only seem to support USA when their own worthless countries are invaded and then are double quick at running to the USA and expecting US military to die for them.

Just like in WW1 &2, the americans didnt start it, but they sure as hell will finish it and everyone who prefers to live in a democracy rather than an islamic dictatorship should be prepared to stand up and be counted.

[Donschday]

sorry for uping this thread, but I have to know this ;)

Did I get it right, that the thread starter wants to say that nazis are coming back in german to take over the World again??

Later, using Bavaria as just one example, Connell called the German denazification effort a farce, saying the "Bavarian administration is largely in the hands of those who controlled it under Hitler." Connell's research substatiated the claim:
"Statistics show that 20, 682 of the 49,445 civil servants belonged to the Nazi Party of its affiliates. A total of 14,443 of these were dismissed and later reinstated in the service. Almost all of the 11,000 teachers who were removed for political reasons have been reappointed, representing roughtly 60% of the teaching staff employed by the Ministry of Education. 60% of the 15,000 employees in the FInance Ministry are FORMER NAZI'S, and 81% of the 924 judges, maginstrates and prosecutors in the Ministry of Justice."

okay the allied denazification was a bit strange. A relativ of mine only had to sign a document which said that he wasn't a nazi, and that was all.
But what else should they do? Even after the war there were a few million people left. How would you find out which one was a nazi and which not?
And dont forget to remember not all germans were Nazis (Ever heard of Stauffenberg, Sophie Scholl, the white Rose etc.).
And most of the Nazis were fu#%ing dumb idiots that followed the propaganda.
The best way to denazificate germany was that get us wisdom, by showing us what we did. Do you know what we learn at our schools in history? Perhaps that the poor Nazis were vanquished by ze bad allies, and that we still need more space in the east (ah thats why the EU wants so much eastern european countrys to join:rolleyes: ) Sorry we learn what crimes we did and what we have to do that the history will not repeat. We have NeoNazis here in germany thats right, but which country doesnt have this kind of idiots?
Do you know what happen when NeoNazis wants to demonstrated here?
There is an counter demonstration. One Example a few month ago there was a neonazi demonstration somewhere in eastern Germany. 300 NeoNazis wanted to celebreate any shit. And than there was a counter demonstration with about 5000 people with the goal to show the NeoNazi that they are talking shit.


Several other historical documents released in the past few years add to Connell's evidence that the Germans failed to denaizy themselves. In 1991, Mark Aarons and John Loftus released a book titled Unholy Trinity which told the story of how underground networks illegally smuggled Nazi leaders out of the country after the War to safe-holds in Argentina and Brazil in South America. Aarons and Loftus based their findings on newly released U.S. Intelligence documents that had been classified for almost 50 years.

jup its true that Nazis went to south america, but you dont have to be afraid. Even if they are still alive they have no influence in germany anymore. Or do you think that Merkel is not the head of my state? Are you trying to tell me that the nazis in south america still controll germany? If that is so, please dont forget to mention the "superduper" Nazi base "Neu Schwabenland" in the Antarctic and dont forget that Hitler isnt dead he was hijacked by Aliens and now we have superweapons.... Dude thats ridiculous, to be more exact. thats the same shit what the NeoNazi scum is hoping.You dont believe me? Google for Neu-Schwabenland.


In 1996, another shocking intelligence document was released to the public. It revealed that when Nazi leaders realized they were losing the war in 1944, they met with top German industrialists to seek financing for the underground Nazi party "so that a strong German empire can be created after the defeat." This intelligence document, which should have sent shock waves through every newsroom in the world, received only sparse coverage.


I dont know this document, so I can not say anything to it. Perhaps you can post a link to it. Or someone else who knows what document you mean can give me a link to it. As long as I dont know what kind of document this is, I can only say that I never seen such an underground Nazi party. And it should be theire mission to recrute new members, or to "tell us the truth" after we were "brainwashed" in school. perhaps I am not german enough (no blond hair and no blue eyes) or I have to much forgein frinds. It is also strange that the Central Council of Jews in Germany (for people who dont know what this is= Its an organization to represent all Germany’s Jews here is a link http://www.zentralratdjuden.de/en/topic/138.html )didnt mention that document. The CCoJiG watch really carefully what is happining in Germany, if such a document whould exist. They had mentioned it.


And in 1997, Martin Lee, in his fascinating book The Beast Reawakens, revealed that "there had never really been a clean break from the Nazi past, given that the original leadership of West German Bundeswehr was recruited directly from the upper echelons of Hitler's Army. (Only three out of 217 Bundeswehr generals in 1976 were not Third Reich veterans, and 37 military bases in the Bonn Republic were named after soldiers who made their reputations during the Hitler years" (p.286)

What??? No clear break?? WTF? Did you ever been in germany? Do you know how much memorials we have here? Do you know how much money we spend to make good the damage we did, the lifes we destroyed? sorry dude you know nothing about us nor about germany.
Else you would know why the Bundeswehr was founded (the Allies were afraid of an attack of the Sovjets) Where should the take the soldiers? (Remember WW2 was over and Europe was destroyed and nearly a hole generations was killed)
And again not all Germans were nazis, and not the whole Wehrmacht were nazis nor evil. (The SS did the most of the war crimes) Quite a lot soldiers were nearly Kids.


Public Opinion after the war incidcated that Nazism was still in full force. Roger Eatwell referred to these revealing opinion polls in his book, Fascism "Although only about 10-15% of the population were classidied as hard-core Nazi's, the researchers found that there was a strong, lingering sense of racism. In 1946, 48% of Germans thought that some races were more fitted to rule than others; even more remarkaby in 1949, 59% were willing to say that Nazism was a good idea but badly carried out...


in 1946 the war was 1 year over. the Number you quote from 49 is a bit "spongy" What was good on Nazism? That Hitler created work? You have to understand this people, they were poor most of them had no work, and Hitler gave them work. That it was a call to the arms which destroyed Europe, was the problem.
And what those badly carried out mean? It could mean that it was wrong to kill the jews or that it was wrong to start the war or or or. Like I said this number are a bit "schwammig"


...Few claimed to have been opponents of the regime."


That was the truth, most of the germans were not opponents of the Nazis.
Have you ever seen the pictures who Hitler was acclaimed by the people.
and than you wonder that the most german were not opponents?
I could excuse this behaviour by saying it was all the propaganda, but my "ancestors" had also a brain. They were stupid they f#%ked it up and they help to did something which is inexcusable. But now we have an other generations of germans. Can you remember, we demonstrated against the Irak war? Not because we dont want to stop Hussein, we thought and think that war was the wrong solution. Look, we are no war loving people like the nazis we would never ever start a war


From these documented facts and from what we see in Germany today, there are two overriding themses we ought to let sink into our minds. First, the almost overnight transormation of Germany from a devastated nation sifting through rubble and ashes to one of the most dominant and powerful natios in the world

First you have to inform yourself why Germany was so fast rebuild (try wikipedia e.g.) and than you will find something like the money the allies give us to rebuild our cities because of the position we had (iron curtain...) and perhaps you will find some storys about those "Trümmerfrauen" and the guest workers which helped rebuilding germany. If you are really scared that we could invaded Europe again try to inform yourself.


...is nothing short of miraculously dangerous given that this same nation tried to take over the world on two occasions in the last century. It also proves that the German thoroughness in their war machine may have made amends with the fact that they were going to lose round 2, by planning for round 3.


It seems that you like facts, than look what event started WorldWar1 (Austrian Franz Ferdinand got killed -> Germany had an alliance with Austria. Wikipedia can be your friend)
And that we are preparing for a new WorldWar is ridiculous.
Even if we wanted that, who should we do it? Our Army gets smaller and smaller. the "weapons" of our army are more "past war weapons" (clearing mines, help building up new infrastructure and so on) With out our Allies we could NOT defend ourself from an invader nether can we invade someone.
And even when we could invade somebody we never ever would do this. We did this fault once but we learned our lesson, and NEVER EVER again we will start a war to make people suffer. I guarantee that.Thats impossible with our school system, as long as we learn history we can learn from our faults. And thats what we trying to do.



Second, and equally miraculous, is the relative ease at which prominent NAZI leaders were either carted away to safety through vast underground networks or else admitted into the same positions they held during Hitler's regime.


Than you can give me names I guess.
I know no important Nazi on which this description could match.
Or were the Nuremberg Trials just a farce?


For this reason Germany's leadership of the EU should be nothing short of shocking and an outrage in and of itself, which gives the reader the understanding of why Allied nation Britain has hesitancy in joining the EU, simply for fear of being swallowed up by the Beast who was not able to accomplish it's agenda the first two times around.


Do you know who to get a EU leadership, and what this means?
I guess not, else you wouldnt find this shocking
Thats all I have to say about it
But I hope you have subscribed this thread and that you will answer me.

But now I got to the point why a "upped" (Dont know if this is the right word, germans use the word "upped" when they bring up a thread to the first page) this thread:


Folks Germany is rising again. This is nothing to turn your head away from.


Is really somebody thinking that Germany is dangerous?
Does somebody think the Nazi still rule Germany?
Or that we wants our former regions back
Or that we want to continue the Holocaust?

Because that is absolutely not right and its not the first time I found an opinion like that in the Internet. And all I want is to show those people what kind of Human beings we are now.


P.S.
I hope my english is good enough to make my stance clear.
I dont want to defend what we did in the past, I just want to show that we are different beings now.

so long

[Laury84]

Im sure that u are different human beings now...dont worry...the idiots are everywhere...so Im sure that there are some nazi in Germany (there are also some fascists in italy :faint2:) but this doesnt mean that our nations will make the same mistakes again...I dont think that this guy is European coz he doesnt know how horrible were the years after the WWII for nations like Germany and Italy...the idiots are everywhere but the majority of Germans(like the majority of italians) know that nazi and fascism are bad things...we'll never make the same mistake again...I dont think that the Germans wanna see another wall in the middle of Berlin...

[Fenerliyim]

once a criminal always a criminal


lol jk

[dupont]

no it started with al quaeda declaring war on america with 9/11- in a similar way japan did it in 1941 and you seem to forget who defeated the nazis in the first place.

What didnt help was that so many muslim countries have the stated aim of wiping off the face of the earth a certain democratic country and providing safe haven and bases for terrorists whose aim is the destruction of western democracy. Did they really think the USA would just it back and let it happen like, with the exception of the UK, the spineless western europeans who only seem to support USA when their own worthless countries are invaded and then are double quick at running to the USA and expecting US military to die for them.

Just like in WW1 &2, the americans didnt start it, but they sure as hell will finish it and everyone who prefers to live in a democracy rather than an islamic dictatorship should be prepared to stand up and be counted.


America didn't defeat the nazis...They sat back and watched while The Allies fought...Then when the hard work was done they came in and cleaned up a bit.

[Langbaard]

America didn't defeat the nazis...They sat back and watched while The Allies fought...Then when the hard work was done they came in and cleaned up a bit.

Yup, America was still deciding what side to choose while Russia was fighting Zee Germans on the Eastern front, Great Britiain made sure America wasn't surrounded by the west (Japanese) and East (Germans), otherwise the war could have ended in a complete different way. Battle of Britian was 'one' of the deciding factors, as were the battles in Africa (El Alamein) along with those in the Pacific (Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal and Battle of Midway) and the Leningrad, Moskow battles.

Nontheless, America did have a big part in defeating the Germans, as did the British and Russians... even Canadians and Polish participated later on in the war. Allies defeated the Germans, not just America. (but in fact it was Hitler himself who defeated them, since he made crucial mistakes)

[behdad]

yes nazism died

[Fenerliyim]

Yup, America was still deciding what side to choose while Russia was fighting Zee Germans on the Eastern front, Great Britiain made sure America wasn't surrounded by the west (Japanese) and East (Germans), otherwise the war could have ended in a complete different way. Battle of Britian was 'one' of the deciding factors, as were the battles in Africa (El Alamein) along with those in the Pacific (Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal and Battle of Midway) and the Leningrad, Moskow battles.

Nontheless, America did have a big part in defeating the Germans, as did the British and Russians... even Canadians and Polish participated later on in the war. Allies defeated the Germans, not just America. (but in fact it was Hitler himself who defeated them, since he made crucial mistakes)


made the same mistake Napolean made. Shoulda studied his history.

I have never understood y he would stop bombing britian all of a sudden and turn to russia.

[Saraj Fanático]

Nazism is alive and well. All around the world. Even in the US...

[poutismalakas]

Nazism is alive and well. All around the world. Even in the US...
yes also in Iran, many Arab nations, Croata, Bosnia, and any other nationalist group in their home nations! Nazism or Racism have no face

[Centarfor9]

yes also in Iran, many Arab nations, Croata, Bosnia, and any other nationalist group in their home nations! Nazism or Racism have no face
Greece, Russia, England, Texas, Argentina, Italy, Cyprus, Belgium, Holland, SFN Forums etc

there is racism everywhere :sad:

[poutismalakas]

you are correct!

[Bosnian Unit]

Im sure that u are different human beings now...dont worry...the idiots are everywhere...so Im sure that there are some nazi in Germany (there are also some fascists in italy :faint2:) but this doesnt mean that our nations will make the same mistakes again...I dont think that this guy is European coz he doesnt know how horrible were the years after the WWII for nations like Germany and Italy...the idiots are everywhere but the majority of Germans(like the majority of italians) know that nazi and fascism are bad things...we'll never make the same mistake again...I dont think that the Germans wanna see another wall in the middle of Berlin...

Im sorry to say this but history repeat itself :sad: .

Some things will never change!

Nazis are everywhere and stronger then ever.

Hitlers dream will come true, today Germany is unofficialy conquering Europe.

Project is called European Union.

Its just different war, insted of weapons now they use their minds and diplomacy,after all its 21 century you cant do same things like back in 1930's-1940's.

[Antonio Meucci]

The reason that Germany got back on it's feet so quickly and became a leading industrial nation is the same reason that Japan did the same. The U.S. backed these fallen nations with money to help them rebuild their economies.
And while I don't feel that all people are racist since there are racists and non racists all over the world, there may be some merit to a certain "residual mentality of superiority" in the minds of the Nordic people. You will notice that Germans and other Nordic people are very independant in ceratain respects, part of this is cultural and part of this is the remaining aura of the Nazi mentality.
As far as the European theater in WWII is concerned, it is true that the U.S. did not want to get involved in the begining. But let's face it, Without the U.S., Europe would still be in the clutches of the German nation. Yes, the U.S. waited too long to get involved, and I am sure that there are a lot of British and French individuals that are bitter about that considering what they had to suffer in terms of air raids and occupation. The British government itself is as much to blame for that as anyone. Neville Chamberlin was as much opposed to getting involved in what was happening on the mainland of Europe with the Nazi's as much as the U.S. was hesitant to get involved in all of Europe's problems. But without the U.S and Ike's direction in the Battle of the Buldge, liberation would not have been possible.

[Centarfor9]

Project is called European Union.
:) E Unijo! :sad:

[Laury84]

Im sorry to say this but history repeat itself :sad: .

Some things will never change!

Nazis are everywhere and stronger then ever.

Hitlers dream will come true, today Germany is unofficialy conquering Europe.

Project is called European Union.

Its just different war, insted of weapons now they use their minds and diplomacy,after all its 21 century you cant do same things like back in 1930's-1940's.
no u're wrong!!u can learn from ur mistakes!!and this is actually what's happened in Europe!!In Italy we understood that all was wrong DURING the WWII (do u know something about the partisans???)...
and why are u saying these things about the germans and about the EU???

[Langbaard]

made the same mistake Napolean made. Shoulda studied his history.

I have never understood y he would stop bombing britian all of a sudden and turn to russia.

Yep, should have waited with Russia, but the man became to overconfident... also he should have headed to Moskow at once instead of trying to take the 3 big Russian cities at the same time.

Even after that, he completely underestimated the Russians by ignoring reports from his scouts Russia had a huge counter-offensive planned, he thought they wouldn't dare and did nothing with it, simply letting Russia do their thing.

Hitler could have won the war, but because of his own mistakes they lost it, Allies were pretty much up against the impossible, until Hitler showed even he had some flaws.

And sending a huge part of the Luftwaffe to Africa, he wanted to much in to little time. One thing you'll have to give him, no empire, country or force in history has ever conquered Europe in such little time.

I can admire Hitler the strategist, but I truly despise his ideals nontheless.
He understood what Sun Tzu meant with the Art of War, even paying tribute to that in Mein Kampf.

[Bosanac]

yes also in Iran, many Arab nations, Croata, Bosnia, and any other nationalist group in their home nations! Nazism or Racism have no face


Man what do you know about Bosnia? Don't be stereotyping a Country by the few people you know from here. And why are you saying that most Muslim countries are nazist? You know how big of a racist comment that just was and.. you are calling Muslim countries racist? No, Muslim countries are only protecting themselves, because your Nazi leader, Bush, is trying to destroy all of them. It's as clear as day!







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Bosnians, don't get offended by me saying this.. but you guys are nothing like my Bosnians. All this nationality paranoia you guys have showed.. I have never seen in a Bosnian before

[Saraj Fanático]

yes also in Iran, many Arab nations, Croata, Bosnia, and any other nationalist group in their home nations! Nazism or Racism have no face


Mostly in Europe. Especially in Spain, Italy, and Russia. I dunno about Arab nations. I think most of the Nazism in the Arab states are in Lebanon and others who are linked with Israel in conflict issues. But its everywhere so we cant really name them all. But mostly in Europe from what I have seen.

But in Bosnia I never seen a Nazi supporter. Ever. Never in the stadium or streets.... there may be someplace but surely not large in or around Sarajevo.

[benfica64]

Mostly in Europe. Especially in Spain, Italy, and Russia. I dunno about Arab nations. I think most of the Nazism in the Arab states are in Lebanon and others who are linked with Israel in conflict issues. But its everywhere so we cant really name them all. But mostly in Europe from what I have seen.

But in Bosnia I never seen a Nazi supporter. Ever. Never in the stadium or streets.... there may be someplace but surely not large in or around Sarajevo.

In Europe and this is a fact that Italy still does the ol Nazi salutes in staduims and such places. NO not all Italians share these sentiments, simply saying out of Europe you will find that in Italy they have the most Nazism, which is not all that hard to comprened having had the Itlalians allied with the germans back then.

[Langbaard]

In October 2006 there was a large Neo-Nazi rally in Germany protesting to release a jailed singer.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6073664.stm

These guys deserve to have been in places like Auswitsch and experience the horror themselves, brainless ******* idiots...

[Saraj Fanático]

In Europe and this is a fact that Italy still does the ol Nazi salutes in staduims and such places. NO not all Italians share these sentiments, simply saying out of Europe you will find that in Italy they have the most Nazism, which is not all that hard to comprened having had the Itlalians allied with the germans back then.


Yeah I know Italy has many of these groups. Off course not all Italians are like this.

[poutismalakas]

Man what do you know about Bosnia? Don't be stereotyping a Country by the few people you know from here. And why are you saying that most Muslim countries are nazist? You know how big of a racist comment that just was and.. you are calling Muslim countries racist? No, Muslim countries are only protecting themselves, because your Nazi leader, Bush, is trying to destroy all of them. It's as clear as day!

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Bosnians, don't get offended by me saying this.. but you guys are nothing like my Bosnians. All this nationality paranoia you guys have showed.. I have never seen in a Bosnian before


Please relax!!!!!! there are racist and Nazis in ALL nations! That doesn't mean the nation is bad it just means that there are elements of horrible thought IN ALL OF US!!!!



ALSO contray to what your imam tells you Bush doesn't GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ISLAM!!!!! ALL BUSH(OR THE REAL US PERSIDENT CHENEY!!!!) CARES ABOUT IMO IS MAKING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AND SECURING RESOURCES !!!!!!!!!!!!

[poutismalakas]

In Europe and this is a fact that Italy still does the ol Nazi salutes in staduims and such places. NO not all Italians share these sentiments, simply saying out of Europe you will find that in Italy they have the most Nazism, which is not all that hard to comprened having had the Itlalians allied with the germans back then.


benifca64 IF you read your history books in school you would know that Nazi Germany basically STOLE ALMOST ALL THEIR symbols from Ancient Rome INCLUDING THAT SALUTE!!!!

[benfica64]

benifca64 IF you read your history books in school you would know that Nazi Germany basically STOLE ALMOST ALL THEIR symbols from Ancient Rome INCLUDING THAT SALUTE!!!!

Even if this was true that dosent take away the fact that to those Italians that continue to do these salutes has nothing what so ever to a time back in rome!! but in fact do it in salute of nazism. They salute the cause that hitler stood for. So really what you are saying has no bearing what so ever to the true reasons of these Idiots saluting.

[poutismalakas]

Even if this was true that dosent take away the fact that to those Italians that continue to do these salutes has nothing what so ever to a time back in rome!! but in fact do it in salute of nazism. They salute the cause that hitler stood for. So really what you are saying has no bearing what so ever to the true reasons of these Idiots saluting.
no I was just pointing out the origins of many symbols used by Hitler and Musolini! I in no way shape or form condone Nazism! My papou fought the Italians, Germans, and Communists! And I find it apauling that there is NeoNazism in Greece especailly after those bastards where responsible for OVER 500,000 Civilian Deaths in Greece ALONE!

[Laury84]

In Europe and this is a fact that Italy still does the ol Nazi salutes in staduims and such places. NO not all Italians share these sentiments, simply saying out of Europe you will find that in Italy they have the most Nazism, which is not all that hard to comprened having had the Itlalians allied with the germans back then.
nice to see that u say that NOT all the italians are like them...:)
Im definitely not a nazi...but let me say few things:
u said that u see guys do the roman salute in the stadium...these guys (especially the Lazio supporters) are...how many?20-30???so in an entire nation I think that they are not too many...and the worst thing is that half of them do that salute just coz its "cool" in their opinion...they dont even know the meaning of "nazi"...:sad:...in italy u're right we hav a lot of idiots racists but I dont call them nazi...there are a lot of racists that hate the immigrants that we hav in italy (its ridiculous if u think that the italians are the 1st immigrants in the world)..they hate africans,albanians,romanians and the countries of the ex-jugoslavia...pretty much coz they think that these guy come here to steal and stuff....we also hav some racists that hate all the italians of the south of italy...these guys are all in the north of Italy...u know Milano is the economic italian capital..and without us Italy would be a third world country..so they hate the people of the south coz they think that they dont do nothing and coz of the mafia...I dont hate anyone and I think that the haters are only losers that dont hav nothing to do in their life...they dont hav love and so they hate...horrible...
but if u think that Alessandra Mussolini (the granddaughter of Benito) is a politician and in the last election she was voted by the o,oo3% (or something like that) of the italians...u should understand that the nazi/fascists are not so many in Italy...look who won the election...I think that it says enough..
unfortunately the idiots are everywhere and we hav people in italy that thinks that Mussolini was somekind of genius or stuff....but for all the others...I think that "nazi" is a big world...they are racists and haters but not nazi in my opinion...

[dupont]

nice to see that u say that NOT all the italians are like them...:)
Im definitely not a nazi...but let me say few things:
u said that u see guys do the roman salute in the stadium...these guys (especially the Lazio supporters) are...how many?20-30???so in an entire nation I think that they are not too many...and the worst thing is that half of them do that salute just coz its "cool" in their opinion...they dont even know the meaning of "nazi"...:sad:...in italy u're right we hav a lot of idiots racists but I dont call them nazi...there are a lot of racists that hate the immigrants that we hav in italy (its ridiculous if u think that the italians are the 1st immigrants in the world)..they hate africans,albanians,romanians and the countries of the ex-jugoslavia...pretty much coz they think that these guy come here to steal and stuff....we also hav some racists that hate all the italians of the south of italy...these guys are all in the north of Italy...u know Milano is the economic italian capital..and without us Italy would be a third world country..so they hate the people of the south coz they think that they dont do nothing and coz of the mafia...I dont hate anyone and I think that the haters are only losers that dont hav nothing to do in their life...they dont hav love and so they hate...horrible...
but if u think that Alessandra Mussolini (the granddaughter of Benito) is a politician and in the last election she was voted by the o,oo3% (or something like that) of the italians...u should understand that the nazi/fascists are not so many in Italy...look who won the election...I think that it says enough..
unfortunately the idiots are everywhere and we hav people in italy that thinks that Mussolini was somekind of genius or stuff....but for all the others...I think that "nazi" is a big world...they are racists and haters but not nazi in my opinion...


Do these racists wear jackboots and all change their views as often as the weather?

[Laury84]

Do these racists wear jackboots and all change their views as often as the weather?
what do u mean??

[Antonio Meucci]

we also hav some racists that hate all the italians of the south of italy...these guys are all in the north of Italy...u know Milano is the economic italian capital..and without us Italy would be a third world country..so they hate the people of the south coz they think that they dont do nothing and coz of the mafia...I dont hate anyone and I think that the haters are only losers that dont hav nothing to do in their life...they dont hav love and so they hate...horrible...
...
Also, it is important to point out that in Southern Itlay and especially Sicily, the people are racially different. The arabic influence that Bosnian Unit spoke of is very obvious in that part of Italy. In northern Italy, the people are more Germanic.

[Laury84]

Also, it is important to point out that in Southern Itlay and especially Sicily, the people are racially different. The arabic influence that Bosnian Unit spoke of is very obvious in that part of Italy. In northern Italy, the people are more Germanic.
:faint2: Im not germanic or stuff at all...we are all italians...stop.
maybe the guys from Bolzano are germanic...but only them

[Bosanac]

Please relax!!!!!! there are racist and Nazis in ALL nations! That doesn't mean the nation is bad it just means that there are elements of horrible thought IN ALL OF US!!!!


ALSO contray to what your imam tells you Bush doesn't GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ISLAM!!!!! ALL BUSH(OR THE REAL US PERSIDENT CHENEY!!!!) CARES ABOUT IMO IS MAKING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AND SECURING RESOURCES !!!!!!!!!!!!

Alright, next time you want to say something like that, use Greece as an example rather than Bosnia because I take that as an insult. And no, I have never.. ever met a Bosnian who was a Nazi. The only reason why these Bosnians here are behaving and creating this paranoia here is because they do not live in Bosnia anymore, and have been affected by the foreign countries they live in. That's my theory about that.


Bush doesn't care, I agree with that, and that's why he's killing all the Muslims. Now, of course oil is a big big part of it.. but I'm sure that if Muslims didn't control most of the oil and it was some other religion or group.. it would be a different story but whatever.. I don't want to get into this

[Antonio Meucci]

:faint2: Im not germanic or stuff at all...we are all italians...stop.
maybe the guys from Bolzano are germanic...but only them
I think that you are misunderstanding my point. Let's take a wider view for a moment. Over time people mix. You cannot say that there is really pure anything. Maybe in the farthest reaches of the Scandanavian countries the people APPROACH more purity. But in general, the farther back you go in history, the more cultures and migrating tribes you will find that preceded the people's in the region of the present day. In other words, you don't just step over the boarder of a particular country and suddenly everybody looks different. If you compare the people of northern Italy to those of Southern Italy, the people tend to be more fair skinned and taller. Now, with Globalization and the ease of travel, this don't necessarily hold true as much as it would have, say, 100 years ago. Since people are relocating all over the world an taking residence in countries not native to their parents or grandparents. By saying that the natives of northern Italy are more Germanic in nature is not necessarily the same as saying that they are German. So please don't misunderstand me.

[Laury84]

I think that you are misunderstanding my point. Let's take a wider view for a moment. Over time people mix. You cannot say that there is really pure anything. Maybe in the farthest reaches of the Scandanavian countries the people APPROACH more purity. But in general, the farther back you go in history, the more cultures and migrating tribes you will find that preceded the people's in the region of the present day. In other words, you don't just step over the boarder of a particular country and suddenly everybody looks different. If you compare the people of northern Italy to those of Southern Italy, the people tend to be more fair skinned and taller. Now, with Globalization and the ease of travel, this don't necessarily hold true as much as it would have, say, 100 years ago. Since people are relocating all over the world an taking residence in countries not native to their parents or grandparents. By saying that the natives of northern Italy are more Germanic in nature is not necessarily the same as saying that they are German. So please don't misunderstand me.
we are ALL italians...yeah there are some differences...but we hav the Alps in the north and the sea in the south...we all are italians even if we are different...and we are not a MIX...do u know something about the Roman empire???

[Antonio Meucci]

we are ALL italians...yeah there are some differences...but we hav the Alps in the north and the sea in the south...we all are italians even if we are different...and we are not a MIX...do u know something about the Roman empire???
Yes, of course you are all Italians. But to say that you are all geneticly identical would not be accurate. Even in Germany there are genetic differences in the people. In southern Germany such as Bavaria, they are Geneticly different as compared to Northern Germany. In Ireland you have the black Irish ( dark hair and eyes) which is likely the result of the heavy Roman influence in Ireland at one point in history.

[Laury84]

Yes, of course you are all Italians. But to say that you are all geneticly identical would not be accurate. Even in Germany there are genetic differences in the people. In southern Germany such as Bavaria, they are Geneticly different as compared to Northern Germany. In Ireland you have the black Irish ( dark hair and eyes) which is likely the result of the heavy Roman influence in Ireland at one point in history.
well u know Mendel made his fortune thanks to "these things"...if u know what I mean...

[Antonio Meucci]

well u know Mendel made his fortune thanks to "these things"...if u know what I mean...
Did you mean Mengele? You seem offended. And that is a big mistake. This is not a qualification. It is only an observation. It is not a judgement about one type of person being better or worse than the other. I don't believe in that.

[Laury84]

Did you mean Mengele? You seem offended. And that is a big mistake. This is not a qualification. It is only an observation. It is not a judgement about one type of person being better or worse than the other. I don't believe in that.
no I mean Mendel...Gregor Mendel...do u know who he is???

[Antonio Meucci]

no I mean Mendel...Gregor Mendel...do u know who he is???

The name sounds very familiar but I would appreciate it if you could help refresh my memory.

[Laury84]

The name sounds very familiar but I would appreciate it if you could help refresh my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel

enjoy it...this is what I study

[Antonio Meucci]

Ahh yes! I remember reading about him in Biology. Plants and people are both living things. It does not diminish the importance of a human being just because their genetics are different. Our souls all have the same value. My point is that there are those that see this physical difference as a great significance in judging others. I am not one of them. It simply explains these idiot racists.

[Laury84]

Ahh yes! I remember reading about him in Biology. Plants and people are both living things. It does not diminish the importance of a human being just because their genetics are different. Our souls all have the same value. My point is that there are those that see this physical difference as a great significance in judging others. I am not one of them. It simply explains these idiot racists.
u didnt understand...he didnt say these kind of things...he made a lot of theories about the thing that we are different...btw go on

[Antonio Meucci]

u didnt understand...he didnt say these kind of things...he made a lot of theories about the thing that we are different...btw go on
I don't know a lot of detail about him. I just know that he did studies with plants/genetics. As far as his views of people are concerned I don't know or don't remember those. But my point is that those in Italy that are racist toward those in Southern Italy may be because of their obvious ethnic/genetic differences. I am not one of these racist so it does not matter to me if they are geneticly different.

[Antonio Meucci]

Also, I have a large percentage of Southern Italian blood so I am certainly not making any judgements. I am only pointing out reasons ( granted, not good ones) that these racists would feel the way that they do.

[benfica64]

Also, it is important to point out that in Southern Itlay and especially Sicily, the people are racially different. The arabic influence that Bosnian Unit spoke of is very obvious in that part of Italy. In northern Italy, the people are more Germanic.
Interesting so people from the North are Germanics?? and the south arabs?? Well this is something I didnt know.

[poutismalakas]

actually that is a big missconception or lie made up by the Northern Europeans

[Antonio Meucci]

actually that is a big missconception or lie made up by the Northern Europeans
Not entirely! In modern times, with the ease of travel you will see more exceptions. Especially in terms of people relocating. Such as the wealthy taking expensive villas in the south of Italy. But there is tremendous truth to this. A good majority of Greeks are people of middle eastern decent as well.

[Laury84]

Interesting so people from the North are Germanics?? and the south arabs?? Well this is something I didnt know.
and its totally wrong...what the hell...arabic?!?!?! :lol: :lol: ridiculous....

[benfica64]

Not entirely! In modern times, with the ease of travel you will see more exceptions. Especially in terms of people relocating. Such as the wealthy taking expensive villas in the south of Italy. But there is tremendous truth to this. A good majority of Greeks are people of middle eastern decent as well. This I already knew. They also have quite abit of Turkish blood in them

[benfica64]

and its totally wrong...what the hell...arabic?!?!?! :lol: :lol: ridiculous....
I can believe it Laury take a good look quite abit of italians can easily pass as middle easterners. Dark hair dark skin dark eyes.

[Laury84]

I can believe it Laury take a good look quite abit of italians can easily pass as middle easterners. Dark hair dark skin dark eyes.
but what the hell are u saying?!?!hav u ever seen an italian?maybe they can look like spanish or mexicans...but not middle easterners....we are a latin country....I think that u hav never seen an italian,,,

[Antonio Meucci]

but what the hell are u saying?!?!hav u ever seen an italian?maybe they can look like spanish or mexicans...but not middle easterners....we are a latin country....I think that u hav never seen an italian,,,

Most of the people in the western world have at least some Arabic blood as another poster pointed out. Being a Latin country does not speak of a person's blood from an earlier time in history's migratory past. Many parts of Southern Europe, not just Italy. Spain too. Have you every heard of the moors? They are Arabics of northern Africa. Southern spain/ Portugal show's a lot of influence from the Moors. Northern Spain has fairer skinned people and Southern Spain has darker skinned people. The world does not fit into neatly packaged boxes of individual blood types. Look at the Mongols. They got as far as Eastern Europe. Yes, people in Italy can even have Asian blood! I am Italian and there have been more than a few Chinese that have asked me if I had Chinese blood because of my eyes. The Roman Empire alone should show you that Italy had been a great "Melting Pot" for centuries!

[Laury84]

Most of the people in the western world have at least some Arabic blood as another poster pointed out. Being a Latin country does not speak of a person's blood from an earlier time in history's migratory past. Many parts of Southern Europe, not just Italy. Spain too. Have you every heard of the moors? They are Arabics of northern Africa. Southern spain/ Portugal show's a lot of influence from the Moors. Northern Spain has fairer skinned people and Southern Spain has darker skinned people. The world does not fit into neatly packaged boxes of individual blood types. Look at the Mongols. They got as far as Eastern Europe. Yes, people in Italy can even have Asian blood! I am Italian and there have been more than a few Chinese that have asked me if I had Chinese blood because of my eyes. The Roman Empire alone should show you that Italy had been a great "Melting Pot" for centuries!
are u sure that u're italian???I've never met an italian that looks like a chinese....:sad:...and I see italians every day

[Antonio Meucci]

are u sure that u're italian???I've never met an italian that looks like a chinese....:sad:...and I see italians every day
No, I am an American. I just happen to have "Italian" blood. I am not saying that I look Chinese completely. But I have some resemblence in my eyes that would look like I might some chinese blood. Have you ever read the book, "The Italians" by Luigi Barzini? In one part of the book, he talks about a foreign man that is infatuated with a venetian girl. And he describes her as having " Oriental eyes". This is not to say that this is prevelent thing among all Italians. I am just trying to point out to you that countries don't have "neatly packaged blood types" nationwide. I am surprised, that as a Biology major, that you don't have a better understanding of Anthropology.

[Laury84]

No, I am an American. I just happen to have "Italian" blood. I am not saying that I look Chinese completely. But I have some resemblence in my eyes that would look like I might some chinese blood. Have you ever read the book, "The Italians" by Luigi Barzini? In one part of the book, he talks about a foreign man that is infatuated with a venetian girl. And he describes her as having " Oriental eyes". This is not to say that this is prevelent thing among all Italians. I am just trying to point out to you that countries don't have "neatly packaged blood types" nationwide. I am surprised, that as a Biology major, that you don't have a better understanding of Anthropology.
:lol: :lol: :lol: well...I just hav never seen an italian with oriental eyes....

and how do u know what Im studying??? :lol:

[Antonio Meucci]

:lol: :lol: :lol: well...I just hav never seen an italian with oriental eyes....

and how do u know what Im studying??? :lol:
What is wrong with your memory? In this very same thread we talked about Gregor Mendel. Remember?

[Laury84]

What is wrong with your memory? In this very same thread we talked about Gregor Mendel. Remember?
ah...well u're right! :lol: :lol: Ive a horrible memory and tomorrow Ill hav an exam...:faint2:

[Antonio Meucci]

So, you never told me, do you like Topo Gigio? He is Italian, and he looks like a mouse! So Italians come in a variety of different species!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Laury84]

oh si topo gigio!!!!!piccolo e bello!!!ci sono cresciuta con topo gigio!!

[Antonio Meucci]

oh si topo gigio!!!!!piccolo e bello!!!ci sono cresciuta con topo gigio!!

Yes, he is a favorite with the kids! There should be an Italian counterpart to Disneyworld except that it should center around Topo Gigio. They can call it Gigio's World!

[Laury84]

Yes, he is a favorite with the kids! There should be an Italian counterpart to Disneyworld except that it should center around Topo Gigio. They can call it Gigio's World!
well we hav Gardaland and Mirabilandia....

[benfica64]

but what the hell are u saying?!?!hav u ever seen an italian?maybe they can look like spanish or mexicans...but not middle easterners....we are a latin country....I think that u hav never seen an italian,,,


hahahaha!!! Poor laury well of course I have seen many Italians and grew up knowing many Italians. I have had friends of every race religion and color under the rainbow.

[Laury84]

hahahaha!!! Poor laury well of course I have seen many Italians and grew up knowing many Italians. I have had friends of every race religion and color under the rainbow.
well I hav never seen an italian that looks like a middle easterner....and I see italians every day

[Antonio Meucci]

But it does'nt just apply to Italians. Much of Souther Europe was influenced in the same way. The Moors, which were Arabs from North Africa, also had a great deal of influence in Spain and Portugal.

[Laury84]

Me either...this is strange thought that Antonio thinks there is chinese in Italians. I am pura Italian blood and I never saw like my family chinese? Maybe it is strange in south?
also in the south there are no chinese....!!!!

[Antonio Meucci]

Me either...this is strange thought that Antonio thinks there is chinese in Italians. I am pura Italian blood and I never saw like my family chinese? Maybe it is strange in south?

From the Roman times, there was a certain amount of Turkish influence. And if you have ever read anything about the Tartars of Turkey, you will know that the Tartars are decendents of the Mongols.

[Antonio Meucci]

also in the south there are no chinese....!!!!
I don't mean to say Chinese in particular. I mean to say Asian in general. The mongols were not exactly Chinese either. The Mongols would have been the ones in question here.

[Antonio Meucci]

I am sure that you have seen some Russians that have that Mongol influence in them. Some of them appear to be half Oriental and half white. Not that any Italians have this much influence unless it is from modern times but surely you can see races intermix over a period of time.

[Laury84]

I don't mean to say Chinese in particular. I mean to say Asian in general. The mongols were not exactly Chinese either. The Mongols would have been the ones in question here.
but cmon...what kind of italians look like mongols?!?!?!cmon....I live in italy I know how the italians look like

[Antonio Meucci]

What I am saying is that you cannot nail a blood type into some neat little package. The human race in general is representative of history's migratory past. In the past, especially the earlier past, people were more migratory in nature.

[Antonio Meucci]

but cmon...what kind of italians look like mongols?!?!?!cmon....I live in italy I know how the italians look like
No, it might be less than one percent. But maybe every so many generations a subtle genetic quality becomes dominant like a slight resemblence in the eyes.

[Laury84]

What I am saying is that you cannot nail a blood type into some neat little package. The human race in general is representative of history's migratory past. In the past, especially the earlier past, people were more migratory in nature.
well I understand what u're saying...u're right.,..but u're taking the WRONG example

[Antonio Meucci]

well I understand what u're saying...u're right.,..but u're taking the WRONG example
How do you mean?

[Antonio Meucci]

Here is an interesting link:
http://www.insecta-inspecta.com/fleas/bdeath/Path.html

[Laury84]

How do you mean?
how???

@truck!!milanese and inter supprter!!

[Antonio Meucci]

Here is another interesting link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars

[Langbaard]

I'd say Nazism only exists in small nationalist groups in nearly every country of the world, I don't believe it will ever rise again since fortunately knowledge and communication are now alot better than back in '40-45.

In '54 the NATO was formed to make sure things like these would never happen again in this world and we will never experience the same horror, not in our life-time at least.

But what does exist, is the growing support of political parties who have ideas that one certain religion or group of people are 'less' than another, these fascist ideas are growing because people are less aware of what happened 60-70 years ago, we have to make sure the easily influenced people get educated on the facts what happened in the concentration camps like Auswitsch.

Unfortunately even in my own country, support is growing for a rather right wing group, although at a minimum, alot of young people tend to think they have more right to speak about a certain group and easily judge one group of people as a whole.

It is important people will realize what kind of horror the jews have experienced during WW2 and the more years we go away from '45, the less people can relate to the fact of what happened, or hear stories from people who actually experienced that.

Nazism isn't dead, it is actually still quite large, but the world is getting more stupid in general, not in terms of science or technology, but the fact of how we have to respect one another and to realize we are all people equal in every term, it is just the fact where we grow up and what is being teached that defines how a person can obtain such idiotic ideals again.

Honestly, have you ever met a neo-nazi that looked intelligent, that's where the problem lies with these people, lack of education.

[Bosnian Unit]

no u're wrong!!u can learn from ur mistakes!!and this is actually what's happened in Europe!!In Italy we understood that all was wrong DURING the WWII (do u know something about the partisans???)...
and why are u saying these things about the germans and about the EU???


Abou 80% of people in my country were Partisans during WWII.
Together with Tito, they fought against Nazis,Ustasha's and Chetniks.

In my city of Jablanica there was ''Battle of Neretva''.

Neretva is river !

QUOTE:Estimated 150,000 Axis combatants engaged a much smaller Partisan force.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Neretva_most.jpg/800px-Neretva_most.jpg

Tito ordered Partisans to blow up this bridge so Germans cant cross the river, about 8.000 Partisans were killed in Battlle of Neretva.

This bridge still stands there today, just the way you see it in the picture.

[Laury84]

Abou 80% of people in my country were Partisans during WWII.
Together with Tito, they fought against Nazis,Ustasha's and Chetniks.

In my city of Jablanica there was ''Battle of Neretva''.

Neretva is river !

QUOTE:Estimated 150,000 Axis combatants engaged a much smaller Partisan force.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Neretva_most.jpg/800px-Neretva_most.jpg

Tito ordered Partisans to blow up this bridge so Germans cant cross the river, about 8.000 Partisans were killed in Battlle of Neretva.

This bridge still stands there today, just the way you see it in the picture.
well really nice to know that...but I just wanted to tell u that history doesnt ALWAYS repeat...

[el Turco]

Ever heard of Aryan Brotherhood?

No, it didnt die, unfortunately.

[Cihangir]

Thoughts and ideas never die.

[speedyman]

No and it will never die. The begining of racism in every way is the adjucation. People who are bad at school for different reasons are getting teased. they feel like outsiders and so they wanna have friends and the nazis are like a family. I know a few people who are in such communitys and i know also people who was in there. It is brainwashing what they do with you. Give you the feeling youre saave in a family but thats a lie. I hate this people to me they are more stupid than a piece of shit.

[Toke-E-Yo]

Ever heard of Aryan Brotherhood?

No, it didnt die, unfortunately.

nazism is on the rise agian here in england, but its more against the islamic terrorists.

its just people being ignorant really.

[Saraj Fanático]

But co'mon who actually expected it to die? None did. Its just like expecting racism against any kind to stop. Its impossible. Thats why the world sucks, there will always be hate against others....

[Langbaard]

Read an article today that Nazism in Eastern-Germany is taking on large forms, almost half of the crimes over there have been performed by (neo)nazi's.

In any case, I think alot of these young kids easily take up the nazi mindset because of 'foreigners' who are taking up their jobs.
Even though they are probably jobless and use it as a good excuse since they don't have any education or talent.

Saw the documentary Soldiers of the race war recently, but I think even Hitler would roll over in his grave if he saw what kind of trash are supporting him :lol:
Honestly, no discipline or mentality, no sense of a bloody history either, although this concerns a group in Southern US, it's bloody pathetic they can't even live up to the standards they live for, nor do I bet they even know the history.

Anyways, I feel sad for these people, such a narrow-minded view on life...instead of living your life, chasing the girls, enjoying and traveling the world, these wankers spend their entire time on something they hate withouth probably ever speaking to a negro, jew or so called minority group.

If you see the documentary in any case, they are just 15-16 year old clueless kids, influenced by the older rednecks who are already in a shithole they won't make anything in life.

Just some irritation, I'm not even bothered taking such a subject serious if you see what kind of people they are. I could respect someone who actually brings up arguments and a vision, rather than copying the Nazi regime which they don't know shit about... come on...pathetic.

[normthebarman]

What a strange question. Of course it didn't die. As someone else said, ideas cannot die as long as someone else thinks it.

But it's quite clear that the original poster or whoever he got this article from has never been to Germany in the last 30 years. If ever there was a country that is trying to educate it's citizens not to repeat past mistakes, it's Germany.

There's a joke that states German history books have blank pages from 1939 to 1945. It couldn't be further from the truth.

I went to their National Musuem in Berlin for a national history exhibtion. They covered every aspect of WWII, from their horrors of the concentration camp to the horrendous allied attack on Dresden. They even had the world globe that was found in Hitlers office by the Russians, complete with ruddy big bullet hole slap bang in the middle of Germany where the Russian soldier had shot it.

It was, in fact, the most interesting exhibition I've ever seen. Although, not including school trips when I was younger, it is the only museum exhibition I've ever seen.....

If more countries were as honest with their past (Great Britain and USA take note....) as the Germans, there probably wouldn't be half the crap going on in the world as there is......