Muslims in violent protest against accusations that Islam is a violent faith

[BlueArsedFly]

doesnt that perfectly sum up whats happening now?

[Bosanac]

Source of the following text: http://www.twf.org/Library/Violence.html


Islam does not allow or sanctify the killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. According to the Qur'an and Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) life is sacrosanct.


Other critics of Islam found: "Kill them wherever you catch them. . . " (2:191), ". . . But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89), and similar verses.

When placed within their textual and historical contexts, however, their true meanings emerge:

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).


We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See 5:32.)

Muslims believe in all Prophets sent by Allah, and so do not misuse or misinterpret the religious texts of other faiths in order to defame them. Even in recent times, Muslims have and are facing genocidal campaigns in Bosnia, Kosova, Chechnia, Kashmir, and Palestine but they have not questioned Judaism and Christianity. Such a spirit needs to be reciprocated.

[sandanista]

why are some muslims so goddamned sensitive about criticism of their religion?
if they had as much faith in Allah as they say then they would be able to ignore the negative comments but the constant over-reactions make them seem insecure.

[billy-liar]

doesnt that perfectly sum up whats happening now?
Lol,these people think the rest of the world are infidels because we don't believe in islam.It's went beyond a joke now.Time the brainwashed fools realised how ridiculous they really are.How in hells name can any right minded person take these people seriously??

[ulster21]

Time and time again these people show their true colors. Why has no Muslim leader condemned the killing of the nun in Africa & the burning of Christian churches by these mobs? I'll tell you why, because they approve of these actions. The leading muslim clerics in Britain want to see Islam & Muslims take over the Britain through mass conversion or through violence....... when will people in the West wake up to this threat?

[baj]

I think people are waking up to this but is a very sensitive subject to talk about. Though i do agree there is no one saying that the business with the nun ect is wrong and against islam.

[ulster21]

Muslims immigrants love England??? Check out this pic in London!!! They want to destroy us and take us over....... WAKE THE F**K UP!!!!!!!!!!!

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OK, WTF IS ALL YOUR PROBLEM!!
YOU GUYS ARE ALL INFLUENCED BY PROPAGANDA BY AMERICA AND ALL!!
kk listen to it, the MUSLIM point of view...
kk if a muslim kills 1 american soldier in lets say iraq... WE ARE THE DEVIL
we are horrible
but then.. when American's are dropping bombs on cities and killing innocent women and children (which is happening most of the time).. they are heroes..
kk wtf is all your problem
why are some muslims so goddamned sensitive about criticism of their religion?
if they had as much faith in Allah as they say then they would be able to ignore the negative comments but the constant over-reactions make them seem insecure.
and for your question.. do you know why we are sensitive.. its easy for you to say, you are christian or w.e. u are
but for us it aint easy... everyday we have to hide our identity and as soon as we say we are muslim.. everyone thinks of us as terrorists.. Not every muslim is a terrorist.. but when the whole world thinks of islam as bad and every muslim being a terrorist, then come back to this thread and talk again..
kk in bosnia too..
when serbs come and kill innocent civilians like children.. its ok
but then when we get a bit of support from turkey and arab countries and we fight back... we are terrorist for actually fighting back and killing the soldiers.
its all propaganda and lies
muslims have their point of view
america has theirs..
obviously most people will believe america
but american point of view aint right..
why dont people look as christianity as being bad???
well america has invaded iraq for nothing more than oil.. no weapons of mass destruction
thats just our daily thing.. people think of us as being bad
now if you actually go through this, you would realize and shut your mouth.
i dont hate anyone nor am i racist towards any religion.. but when you got most of the countries trying to control muslim countries its kinda hard
america is planning to take over most arab countries
they already got bases in bosnia, iraq, afghanistan... and maybe soon iran too etc.
just remember.. its all propaganda, we are not all bad people
just takes 1 stupid leader to make us look bad!! :thumbsdow
i personally don't support that stuff
but why is it that everything that muslims do is blamed for terrorism??

[poutismalakas]

WHY isn't this malakas in JAIL for making Murderous Threats????????

The Pope must die, says Muslim
18.09.06

A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

Should the Pope have apologised for his remarks? Vote here

His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen.

The pontiff yesterday apologised for causing offence during a lecture last week. Quoting a medieval emperor, his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed "evil and inhuman".

He insisted he was "deeply sorry" but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered.

A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine.

Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year.

The 39-year-old lawyer organised

demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".

Yesterday he said: "The Muslims take their religion very seriously and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the prophet.

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

He added: "I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that out.

"I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam."

As well as placards attacking the Pope such as "Pope go to Hell", his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as "Jesus is the slave of Allah".

A Scotland Yard spokesman said of his comments: "We have had no complaints about this. There were around 100 people at the demonstration. It passed off peacefully and there were no arrests."

Larger Islamic groups in Britain said they accepted the Pope's apology. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain said: "The Vatican has moved quickly to deal with the hurt and we accept that.

"It was something that should never have happened - words of that nature were always likely to cause dismay - and we believe some of the Pope's advisers may have been at fault over his speech."

Yesterday's sermon by the Pope was the first time a pontiff has publicly said sorry.

He said he regretted Muslim reaction to his speech and stressed that the quotation did not reflect his personal opinion. Anger and violence - including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza - have characterised one of the biggest international crises involving the Vatican in decades.

The Pope appeared determined to move quickly to try to defuse the anger but the fury of many radicals was unabated last night and there were fears for his safety.

Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers.

The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in Iraq, was addressed to "You dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home".

In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life."

The threat of violence against Catholics and Christians was emphasised by the murder of an Italian nun in Somalia. Sister Leonella, 66, was shot as she walked from the children's hospital where she worked to her house in Mogadishu, a city recently taken over by an Islamic government.

A Vatican spokesman said he feared her death was "the fruit of violence and irrationality arising from the current situation".

Father Frederico Lombardi said he hoped it was an isolated event. "We are worried about this wave of hatred and hope it doesn't have any grave consequences for the Church around the world," he said.

The murder suggested that extremists are determined to use the Pope's embarrassment as an excuse for violence.

In Turkey, state minister Mehmet Aydin said the Pope seemed to be saying he was sorry for the outrage but not necessarily for his remarks.

"You either have to say this, 'I'm sorry' in a proper way or not say it at all," he told reporters in Istanbul.

There were fierce denunciations of the pontiff from Iran. The English-language Tehran Times called his lecture in Bavaria last week "code words for a new crusade".

The powerful cleric Ahmad Khatami told theological students in the holy city of Qom: The "Pope should fall on his knees in front of a senior Muslim cleric and try to understand Islam."

But the Turkish government signalled it was content and that the Pope's visit to the country in November can go ahead.

In his sermon yesterday at the Papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo outside Rome, Benedict spoke amid strengthened security.

He said: "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

"These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address."

No other Pope is thought to have made such an apology.

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well thats just stupid
why did the pope say that then
kk if a muslim said it, its the worst thing in the world
if a pope says it, then he can just appologize and get away with it??
i mean common..
and that story is such a lie.. it makes islam/muslims seem like the bad guys an the pope as an innocent angel..
cut the crap,
so what.. 1 freaking italian woman died... yes it is really really bad
but you guys care more about 1 italian woman
than if like 200 kids die in a bombing while its happening daily in iraq
its just full of propaganda

[poutismalakas]

well thats just stupid
why did the pope say that then
kk if a muslim said it, its the worst thing in the world
if a pope says it, then he can just appologize and get away with it??
i mean common..
and that story is such a lie.. it makes islam/muslims seem like the bad guys an the pope as an innocent angel..
cut the crap,
so what.. 1 freaking italian woman died... yes it is really really bad
but you guys care more about 1 italian woman
than if like 200 kids die in a bombing while its happening daily in iraq
its just full of propaganda
I found that article on drugdereport.com. It seems when you find some article it should seen as FACT and mine are lies?????

[())__Green__))>]

yeah
so supporting articles that are 100% muslim biased and are on the christian point of view is 100% correct right??
if you are trying to make a point,
you gotta look at it the muslim point of view!

[Bosanac]

The meaning of Islam should give you a different perspective.


Islam means 'submission to the Will of God.' In its ethical sense Islam signifies 'striving after the ideal.' A Muslim is one who submits to the Will of God. 'Islam' and 'Muslim' derive from the same word as the Arabic for 'peace.' The traditional Muslim greeting is 'Peace be onto you.'

[ulster21]

The meaning of Islam should give you a different perspective.


Islam means 'submission to the Will of God.' In its ethical sense Islam signifies 'striving after the ideal.' A Muslim is one who submits to the Will of God. 'Islam' and 'Muslim' derive from the same word as the Arabic for 'peace.' The traditional Muslim greeting is 'Peace be onto you.'

So what........... actions speak louder than words!!

[Bosanac]

So what........... actions speak louder than words!!


We certainly witnessed that when America bombed Iraq

[MarieL]

The meaning of Islam should give you a different perspective.


Islam means 'submission to the Will of God.' In its ethical sense Islam signifies 'striving after the ideal.' A Muslim is one who submits to the Will of God. 'Islam' and 'Muslim' derive from the same word as the Arabic for 'peace.' The traditional Muslim greeting is 'Peace be onto you.'
Salem aleikum?

See, watching Oz does pay off...

[Bosanac]

Salem aleikum?

See, watching Oz does pay off...


Yes, and you reply with


Aleikumu Sellam

[ulster21]

We certainly witnessed that when America bombed Iraq

The America government is controlled by Zionists.......... blame it on Judaism not Christianity.

[Bosanac]

The America government is controlled by Zionists.......... blame it on Judaism not Christianity.


I am not blaming anything on anybody, you guys are the ones blaming Islam for everything!

[sandanista]

Thats true, the Jewish lobby have an awful lot of control over American foreign policy in the middle-east.
Israel is basically the 51st state of the USA. Thats a situation which is obvious to anger Israel's Islamic neighbours.
Some of their anger may be justified but they lose all credibilty when certain Islamic fanatics start calling for a Jihad on all non-believers.
Both sides feel they have legitimate grievances but go about expressing them in the most self destructive ways.
I know the fanatics dont represent all Muslims but there seems to be a higher percentage of them in that religion than in any other.

[poutismalakas]

The America government is controlled by Zionists.......... blame it on Judaism not Christianity.
The United States is NOT Christian country had hasn't been for over 30 years!!! IT is NOW run by liberals, secularist, Athesits, ACLU and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR!!!! Any decistion made in the US is made in regards to MONEY!!!!! NOT RELIGION!!! There ARE Christians in the US BUT the US is a SECULAR NATION!!!!!! Bush uses Religion to GET VOTES!!!! And makes policy based on $$$$$$$$$$

[Fenerliyim]

Man the US is controlled by the free masons which are just another name for the jews, just look at the dollar for gods sake.

[nachi88]

Man the US is controlled by the free masons which are just another name for the jews, just look at the dollar for gods sake.

???????????
What exactly do you mean?

[ulster21]

Man the US is controlled by the free masons which are just another name for the jews, just look at the dollar for gods sake.

True

[nachi88]

True

Issac Newton was a freemason. He wasn't a jew.

[baj]

America is owned by the masons have some of you been reading to many Dan Brown books.

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stick to the topic??
not bout america!!