Popes in deep shit

[Fenerliyim]

The Pope has got himself into deep shit by saying Islam is a religion full of blood and death and conversions by the sword. He stated later he did not mean to offend the muslims but that is just bs. I use to like Pope John, he was a nice guy and all and hope he goes to heaven but this new guy is horrible.

[ARBANITAI]

WTf, how can he say such things, its ridicilous and especially for a pope to make such statments!! :boo: wtf real shame :faint2:

[Centarfor9]

Yeah I heard about what he said.

I think he has apologized.

[Fenerliyim]

But that was just a bs apology he doesnt mean it

[Sema]

No he didn't....He regrets that we Muslims were offended, he didn't say that he regreted saying it nor did he applogize. What a shame.:boo:

[MarieL]

That's pretty funny coming from a Catholic.

Well Rome was the obvious next target for a terrorist act anyway, so why not make it the Vatican...

[Centarfor9]

Well Rome was the obvious next target for a terrorist act anyway, so why not make it the Vatican...
???? How come Rome was the obvious next target for terrorist act???

[Fenerliyim]

she has connections. y do u think she went to italy for vacation though. jk lol

[MarieL]

All the countries helping the US in Iraq... need I say more?

[Centarfor9]

All the countries helping the US in Iraq... need I say more?
What??? Acctually you will need to say more.

???? How come Rome was the obvious next target for terrorist act???

[MarieL]

Oh come on!
Madrid, Spain has been hit. London, England has been hit. What's left? Right...Rome, Italy.

[Milos_]

Terrosrists are pieces of shit, may they all die a horrible death:)

Its called free speach,but the Pope sould really watch what he says comments like this can get him shot by some Islamic wacko.

[Sema]

That's pretty funny coming from a Catholic.

Well Rome was the obvious next target for a terrorist act anyway, so why not make it the Vatican...

Were you talking to me or Fenerliyim....because im not Catholic.

[Sema]

Terrosrists are pieces of shit, may they all die a horrible death:)

Its called free speach,but the Pope sould really watch what he says comments like this can get him shot by some Islamic wacko.
But not all Muslims are terrorist...its the minority, so the Pope's comments were uncalled for.

[MarieL]

Were you talking to me or Fenerliyim....because im not Catholic.
I was talking about the Pope.

[Fenerliyim]

Were you talking to me or Fenerliyim....because im not Catholic.


she was talkin about the pope.

[Sema]

Oh, I feel dumb now, :S

[m2lions]

All he did was quote someone, why the anger over it? If muslims riot and commit acts of violence over his quoted comments than you prove the quote to be correct. Look at what was actually said, basically wars in the name of religion are wrong. Thus a jihad in terms of committing violence against others is wrong. Nothing wrong with saying that.

[Fenerliyim]

Yes and wat were the crusades for then?????? Hypocritical


What those few muslims do, should not represent all muslims. But the crusades were started by the pope who does represent all of christianity.

[m2lions]

Did he say the crusades were good?

Jihads are not part of the catholic faith the way they are part of Islam.

[Fenerliyim]

jihads arent but crusades are

[Pape]

Yes and wat were the crusades for then?????? Hypocritical


What those few muslims do, should not represent all muslims. But the crusades were started by the pope who does represent all of christianity.

I thought the Pope was only for the catholics.....???

anyways i knew there was something freaky about that guy :lol: we should check his comp for child porn :lol:

[Sema]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bosnian Unit]

That's pretty funny coming from a Catholic.

Well Rome was the obvious next target for a terrorist act anyway, so why not make it the Vatican...

I agree !

Or they didnt attack West for some time now, and they just wanted to provoke them.

Whatever it is, person like Pope should not aloud himself to say that:boo: .

P.S.He was member of NAZI's when he was young, so that might tell us something. Blood is not water !!

[Pape]

HAha ohh man a Nazi Pope! I thought Pope's were suppose to have a 100% clean record :lol: :lol:

[Pape]

so I had to post this :p

Some things in life just make me laugh for everything else theres alcohol.

[Bosnian Unit]

so I had to post this :p

Some things in life just make me laugh for everything else theres alcohol.


:lol:

Znas onu..........alkohol,alkohol to je prava stvar ko ne voli alkohol nije normalan :D .

Sorry guys couldnt translate that !

[Fenerliyim]

Imagine how much money the church would lose if the terrorist actually did that. Buts its gonna be hard with all the funny looking swiss guards

[Sema]

:lol:

Znas onu..........alkohol,alkohol to je prava stvar ko ne voli alkohol nije normalan :D .
Sorry guys couldnt translate that !

"Alchohol, Alchohol, Thats the real deal, who doesn't like alcohol isn't normal"
Thats roughly how its translated.

[Pape]

:lol:

Znas onu..........alkohol,alkohol to je prava stvar ko ne voli alkohol nije normalan :D .

Sorry guys couldnt translate that !

Haha znam sad! Znas li ti onu pjesmu kako ide

Zadnji dinar dacu
Pocastit cu bracu
Neka nocas piju svi
Bilo je i gore
Pijo sam do zore
Ja sam covjek kafanskiiiiiiiiii

haha I love that shit

[Pape]

Imagine how much money the church would lose if the terrorist actually did that. Buts its gonna be hard with all the funny looking swiss guards

I heard somewhere the Catholic church has more money than like half of the world countries :shocked:

[Sema]

Man, Bill Gates has more money than half of the world countries, :p

[poutismalakas]

My question is hasn't there NOT been FORCED converstions in Lands conquered by Islam??? Just look at at Aisa Minor for example. Also WHAT exactly did the Pope say??

Check out this link Are these the acts of Peace? If ANYONE can Justify this.........

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3304545,00.html

Palestinian area churches attacked

Palestinians wielding guns, firebombs attack five churches in West Bank and Gaza following remarks by Pope Benedict XVI; no injuries reported. Islamic merchant: Palestinians must not fight among themselves

Associated Press Published: 09.16.06, 19:24

Palestinians wielding guns and firebombs attacked five churches in the West Bank and Gaza on Saturday, following remarks by Pope Benedict XVI that angered many Muslims.

No injuries were reported in the attacks, which left church doors charred and walls pockmarked with bullet holes and scorched by firebombs. Churches of various denominations were targeted.

Relations between Palestinian Muslims and Christians are generally peaceful, and the attacks on the churches sparked concern that tensions would heighten.


Here is a link to what the Pope saidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy

Key paragraphs
Quoted below are the three paragraphs which discuss Islam in Benedict's lecture:

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on – perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara – by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was presumably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian interlocutor. The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship between – as they were called – three "Laws" or "rules of life": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an. It is not my intention to discuss this question in the present lecture; here I would like to discuss only one point – itself rather marginal to the dialogue as a whole – which, in the context of the issue of "faith and reason", I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that sura 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood – and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry.[2]


Does anyone have the complete lecture??????



Professor Adel Theodor Khoury, editor of the cited writings, criticized the lack of understanding of the historical context in the debate and denounced both the Emperor's argument and the Muslim reaction to the Pope's speech[1].

[Bosnian Unit]

Whatever man, Pope should not say that. Christianity & Islam are peacefull in the ''holly books'' but in a real life all people kill in the name of ''their'' God.

Sad thing is there is just one God who created everything. Allah in Arabic means God, and most Christinas THINK THATS MUSLIM GOD.

Just like one US soldier said: I know my God is stronger then theirs, that was my motive to fight.

That is stupid !

After all religion is made by man, so im not realy into that. I belive there was some kind of ''holly book'' from God but those people who are on top of the pyramid only know about it, and they wrote all these different ones so they can controle, and manipulate with people.


After all he is NAZI and like i said blood is not water.He should make peace, not start another war. Everything changes but people.I think we are back in crusades times:boo: .

[ItalianBoy]

Do you guys want me to prove that the Pope is right? It states so in the Quran.

[devious]

hehe.. I see there is someone here that thinks he is a specialist in the quran, well.. prove it italianboy.. :)
I know why the pope made that statment.. poor pope, he really cant control the number of Europians that are converting to Islam every year, and it`s increasing.. whatever he said it wont chage anything.. poor pope :D

[ItalianBoy]

Poor you who has to fabricate lies like European converting just because you feel hurt. I will sure prove it to you once I gather all of the facts.

[devious]

Poor you who has to fabricate lies like European converting just because you feel hurt. I will sure prove it to you once I gather all of the facts.
poor me? once you gather the facts?
hehe.. that was cool.. :D

[ItalianBoy]

No, it will be cool to see weep once I post Quran passages that state that who does not convert needs to be killed. You read it right? Sounds like you have not.

[Bosanac]

No, it will be cool to see weep once I post Quran passages that state that who does not convert needs to be killed. You read it right? Sounds like you have not.

Propaganda that Christians made up to spread hate towards Muslims.

[ItalianBoy]

Propaganda that Christians made up to spread hate towards Muslims.
No, facts christians have found after the muslims "revolted"... and I am atheists.

[Bosanac]

No, facts christians have found after the muslims "revolted"... and I am atheists.


No, myth christians have created after muslims "revolted". If you're an atheist, why do you believe Christians?

[ItalianBoy]

I have the quran. I can read, unlike you I am not blind. See you later hater.

[nachi88]

Firstly, the Pope is no Nazi.

He was in the HJ (HitlerJugend). it was compulsory for all Germans his age, of fit body to join the organisation. He wasnt a volunteer. He was conscripted. You people should watch your mouth before levelling allegations.

Alia Izzetbegovic, however was a Nazi, and by choice that too. He wasnt forced into it.He joined the Waffen SS- Handschar division by choice. He was responsible for many crimes against the serb people, including massacres.

[Bosanac]

I have the quran. I can read, unlike you I am not blind. See you later hater.

You said you're an atheist, and now you saying have the Quran and that you've read it. Come on, either back-up your posts properly, or don't post at all.

[benfica64]

This is a riot!! You can not lead the catholic church and have been a Nazi. It simply can not come to pass. Secondly its like Nachi said he was forced as a child into it as where all young Germans that where well enough and fit enough to do so. He didnt support the cause he didnt want to represent the Nazi ideals (in the least). Its like most country back in thoses days and even today (some) your a certain age you are drafted like it or not.

[devious]

Italianboy just chill.. there is no need for personal insults, we aer just talking generaly and everyone is expressing his opinion.. it`s worthless to go at eachother cursing.. no need to! :(
Listen.. you can find the Quran in many sites on the internet translated and everyone can read, but there is a difference between studying the Quran and just read it.. every Sora and A`ya in the Quran has it`s story, explanation, refering to some ppl in a specific time.. and many other things that need to be studied and not just read! you cant say that you have read the Quran and you know what`s it all about.. no one would believe you, things dont go that way in the Islam and dealing with the Quran.. the prove of that that you think it`s written by a human! :shocked: believe me it`s not.. or dont believe.. it`s not my problem. :rolleyes:
anyway.. here is something that probably you didnt read about.. or maybe you did but forgot (I really dont understand why you care to read that book if you dont believe! but anyway..):

109: Elkafiron (The Disbelievers, Atheists)

"Say : O ye that reject Faith!
I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine. "

In the Arabic language the repeating of the sentences means the assertion and the assurance.. it`s the only Sora in the Quran that have that much of assertion, that means it want to make a point and it made it so clear.

Just wana say that we can talk or even argue, but there is no need for offensive behavior.

see you around..

[drew57ni.]

The pope only stated the truth,no need for the muslim community to get hysterical again burning effegies in the streets.You only reinforce the fact that you are animals by getting on like mental defectives.I was half expecting mass stampedes or suicide bombs in the vatican by now , no doubt it will happen.God help us all from the wide eyed fanatical lunatic muslims.

[Pape]

Can we talk about liquor again?

[Centarfor9]

Oh come on!
Madrid, Spain has been hit. London, England has been hit. What's left? Right...Rome, Italy.
yeah but Rome being number one target as you said it's farfetched

[Ero]

Alia Izzetbegovic, however was a Nazi, and by choice that too. He wasnt forced into it.He joined the Waffen SS- Handschar division by choice. .

:lol: alija was an Ustasa? :faint2:

[Pape]

:lol::lol: is this true?

[Centarfor9]

Was Waffen SS- Handschar an Ustasa division?? I thought it was nazi division.

Most bosnians who joined Nazies and Ustasa's played the political card.
Bosnian's thought that Nazies would win the war so by that they can get their freedom form Ustasa regime. Those who joined Ustasa's wanted to save their life.

As the picture changed bosnian's joined Partizans in hope they will get their freedom in the new communist country (Yugoslavia).

[Ero]

Was Waffen SS- Handschar an Ustasa division?? I thought it was nazi division.

Most bosnians who joined Nazies and Ustasa's played the political card.
Bosnian's thought that Nazies would win the war so by that they can get their freedom form Ustasa regime. Those who joined Ustasa's wanted to save their life.

As the picture changed bosnian's joined Partizans in hope they will get their freedom in the new communist country (Yugoslavia).

were any of your relatives handzari/ustase?

[poutismalakas]

BUT NONE of the Muslims (Bosian Unit) here have said ANYTH!NG about demouncing those attacks on ORTHODOX Churches!!!!!! What does Orthodoxy have to do with the Pope??? How do bombings show how Peaceful your religion is???

If you want an appology from the Pope fine BUT denounce/Apoplogise for the attacks on Christians and Churches!!! and PAY for the repairs!!!!! Also NONE of the Muslims here have produced the full Lecture and SHOWN what was offensive!!!!!

[Centarfor9]

were any of your relatives handzari/ustase?
sorry man we were Partizani fighting off Nazies, Fashists, Chetniks and Ustases

[Ero]

sorry man we were Partizani fighting off Nazies, Fashists, Chetniks and Ustases

throughout the whole war? like you said most switched sides in the latter years of the war

my family were all Ustase fighting for a free croatia and fighting against greater serbia and a communist yugoslav state and thats why i proudly support and say i am an Ustasa!

[Centarfor9]

BUT NONE of the Muslims (Bosian Unit) here have said ANYTH!NG about demouncing those attacks on ORTHODOX Churches!!!!!! What does Orthodoxy have to do with the Pope???
Do you have any idea that 2,000 mosques and hundreds of catholic churches were destroyed by your Orthodox brothers in Bosnia? The number of destroyed orthodox churches by Bosniaks and Croats is 100 times less.
If you were referring to Bosnia.

You make a big mistake by connecting terrorists with Islam. Those terrorists are lunatics that claim they are Muslims. They can't be Muslims if they are breaking core beliefs of the religion.

Pope messed that's all i have to say about this topic. The previous pope was better pope.

[poutismalakas]

Do you have any idea that 2,000 mosques and hundreds of catholic churches were destroyed by your Orthodox brothers in Bosnia? The number of destroyed orthodox churches by Bosniaks and Croats is 100 times less.
If you were referring to Bosnia.

You make a big mistake by connecting terrorists with Islam. Those terrorists are lunatics that claim they are Muslims. They can't be Muslims if they are breaking core beliefs of the religion.

Pope messed that's all i have to say about this topic. The previous pope was better pope.


NOT ONCE did I connect Terrorism to Islam!!!!!!!! And SHOW me where I did If I'm Lying????

Also how MANY churches have been destroyed or converted to Mosques????????????? Also during the Balkan wars I was against the killings!

Also Produce the complete texts on what was offensive because what I posted wasn't bad enuff to justify all this violence!!!!!!

[PAO_HELLAS]

I don't think it is exactly the same thing. The Orthodox churches were destroyed by some individual idiots.

The pope is the religious leader of all the Roman Catholics. A religioun leader insulting a religion is different than the atrocities of a few brainless individuals.

[Centarfor9]

throughout the whole war? like you said most switched sides in the latter years of the war
well they weren't involved in the war from the beggining, when Ustase and Nazies came to our town and executed around 50 people in front of everyone, than people from my home town got organized, even kids that were 12 years old joined partizans to fight off nazies, fashists, ustases and chetniks (mostly chetniks and ustases).


my family were all Ustase fighting for a free croatia and fighting against greater serbia and a communist yugoslav state and thats why i proudly support and say i am an Ustasa!
we were partizans in hope that we were not slaves of Ustasa's and NDH and in hope to save our lives from Ustasas and Chetniks

about Ustases i see your point of view i just don't understand how come 2 year old kids, women and eldery were your biggest enemies

[poutismalakas]

I don't think it is exactly the same thing. The Orthodox churches were destroyed by some individual idiots.

The pope is the religious leader of all the Roman Catholics. A religioun leader insulting a religion is different than the atrocities of a few brainless individuals.
Exactly BUT where is the Denoucing of the attacks on OUR churches?

[Centarfor9]

NOT ONCE did I connect Terrorism to Islam!!!!!!!! And SHOW me where I did If I'm Lying????
your previous post:
BUT NONE of the Muslims (Bosian Unit) here have said ANYTH!NG about demouncing those attacks on ORTHODOX Churches!!!!!! What does Orthodoxy have to do with the Pope??? How do bombings show how Peaceful your religion is???

Also how MANY churches have been destroyed or converted to Mosques????????????? Also during the Balkan wars I was against the killings!

Way way less were destroyed orthodox churches in bosnia again over 2,000 mosques were destroyed in bosnia. You can't find many examples of bosnians trying to convert churches into mosques in balkan wars, but you can find too many examples churches being built on the places where mosques use to be.

Also Produce the complete texts on what was offensive because what I posted wasn't bad enuff to justify all this violence!!!!!!
violence is never justified, that's my view

[Centarfor9]

I don't think it is exactly the same thing. The Orthodox churches were destroyed by some individual idiots.

The pope is the religious leader of all the Roman Catholics. A religioun leader insulting a religion is different than the atrocities of a few brainless individuals.
True he should be the leader, I thinkPope John Paul II was a much better leader for Catholics, i have respect for him.

[poutismalakas]

your previous post:


Way way less were destroyed orthodox churches in bosnia again over 2,000 mosques were destroyed in bosnia. You can't find many examples of bosnians trying to convert churches into mosques in balkan wars, but you can find too many examples churches being built on the places where mosques use to be.

violence is never justified, that's my view
My post said wasn't connecting Terrorism to Islam!!! It was asking why would a peaceful religion justify those attacks when the so-called offending comments aren't as bad as bombing a church!!!!????? Also My naming Bosnian Unit shoul have been done with more text! I brought Bosnian Unit up because he just dissmissed my first post! My indent wasn't to focus the thread towards Bosnia MY BAD!

BUT I've YET to see any denoucing of the violence!!!!!!

[Pape]

poutismalakas why the ***k are you starting this shit? you were ignored the first time you said it in this thread and you brought it back again and it seems like a attempt to start another balkan war on SFN

i am considered orthodox by most, but i do not consider myself loyal to any religion because i view religion as the biggest joke as its so fake and its so funny so many people give their lives to it

stace, i am not a orthodox brother to anybody and with you i feel a brotherhood not with the the other peoples i have 1 thing in common with, while we are practically the same besides the religion

About the nazis lol, i know a bunch of my family from central bosna was taken into them camps and my great grandfather had his head chopped off resisting the bastards. My grandpa fought in the Partizans and not some cetnik or ustasa bullshit.

[Centarfor9]

My post said wasn't connecting Terrorism to Islam!!!
those acts you describe are acts of terrorists

It was asking why would a peaceful religion justify those attacks when the so-called offending comments aren't as bad as bombing a church!!!!?????
Islamic world leaders are not justifying terrorists. And they are not saying that pope's comments are worse than acts of terrorists.

Pope's comments in my opinion might fuel more terrorism and anti-islamic sentiment.

BUT I've YET to see any denoucing of the violence!!!!!!
from who?? me??? you obviously didn't read my other post

[poutismalakas]

poutismalakas why the ***k are you starting this shit? you were ignored the first time you said it in this thread and you brought it back again and it seems like a attempt to start another balkan war on SFN

i am considered orthodox by most, but i do not consider myself loyal to any religion because i view religion as the biggest joke as its so fake and its so funny so many people give their lives to it

stace, i am not a orthodox brother to anybody and with you i feel a brotherhood not with the the other peoples i have 1 thing in common with, while we are practically the same besides the religion

About the nazis lol, i know a bunch of my family from central bosna was taken into them camps and my great grandfather had his head chopped off resisting the bastards. My grandpa fought in the Partizans and not some cetnik or ustasa bullshit.
First SCREW YOU!!!

Second so what your saying is that when I produce something that shows that the Pope said may have been taken out of context and some asshole ran with it and told alot of people about the possble missqouted and got Irrational about it and I'm ignored??

Third so wat your saying is it ok to attack a HOUSES OF GOD to show that the Pope needs to appologise???? WHERE are appologies for those attacks!!???

Fourth I was missunderstood I NEVER meant to involve Bosnia BUT SOME YOU BOSNIANS SEEM THAT HAVE A HARD ON FOR ME!!! ALSO SHOW where I am trying to start a Balkan war????

Fifth AGAIN SHOW ME WHERE THE Pope said something offensive!!!!??? I want to see the ENTIRE lecture. And IF I was a Muslim I would want to see EXACTLY what was said!!!! Wouldn't you????

[poutismalakas]

those acts you describe are acts of terrorists ok where DOES IT SAY that I am connecting Terrorism to Islam It seems that you are projecting YOUR definitions on to me?

Islamic world leaders are not justifying terrorists. And they are not saying that pope's comments are worse than acts of terrorists. OK BUT who are those leaders and clerics and have they denouce the violence?????

Pope's comments in my opinion might fuel more terrorism and anti-islamic sentiment.
from who?? me??? you obviously didn't read my other post

I was talking about the leaders and certain Muslims here and if your denouced IT?? GOOD and I didn't see you saying so, so sorry.

BUT It seems everyone is quick to jump up and talk shit about the Pope BUT I don't see anyone saying Church bombings are bad? Also the Pope ddn't say anything he quoted someone. And UNTIL I read the WHOLE lecture I will not say weither he said something wrong or was missquoted for possible potilical means?

[poutismalakas]

The official Vatican translation of Pope Benedict XVI's remarks, delivered in Italian Sunday about his Sept. 12 speech that sparked anger among Muslims.

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The pastoral visit which I recently made to Bavaria was a deep spiritual experience, bringing together personal memories linked to places well known to me and pastoral initiatives towards an effective proclamation of the Gospel for today.

I thank God for the interior joy which he made possible, and I am also grateful to all those who worked hard for the success of this pastoral visit. As is the custom, I will speak more of this during next Wednesday's general audience.

At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

These in fact were a quotation from a Medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought.

Yesterday, the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement in this regard in which he explained the true meaning of my words. I hope that this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with great mutual respect.

[Centarfor9]

ok where DOES IT SAY that I am connecting Terrorism to Islam It seems that you are projecting YOUR definitions on to me?
terrorists who think that they are muslims are doing those terrorists acts and not true muslims

OK BUT who are those leaders and clerics and have they denouce the violence?????
too many to name
Muslim leaders form Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Kuwait, Egypt etc all denounce terrorists and their acts
Infact most mulsims around the world dennounce terrorists.
you can find pleanty of examples here, if you were looking for examples
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

BUT It seems everyone is quick to jump up and talk shit about the Pope BUT I don't see anyone saying Church bombings are bad? Also the Pope ddn't say anything he quoted someone. And UNTIL I read the WHOLE lecture I will not say weither he said something wrong or was missquoted for possible potilical means?
church bombings are bad but what pope said is bad also, you don't have to agree but it is bad because it flames the hate

From Australia:

AUSTRALIA'S leading Muslim is questioning the Pope's morals and character as the head of the Catholic Church faces angry demands from the Islamic world to apologise for a speech in which he said Muhammad's innovations were "evil and inhuman".

The Pope today voiced deep regret that the speech he gave in Germany implicitly linking Islam to violence had offended Muslims but he stopped short of retracting his remarks, arguing they had been misinterpreted. Muslims across the globe have been outraged by the comments.

Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali, the Mufti of Australia, said the Pope's statement "did not come across as the way of the prophet Jesus."
"It's not what I expect from a holy person. The church needs to re-examine its thoughts about someone who doesn't have the qualities or good grasp of Christian character or knowledge."

Speaking outside a conference of Australian Islamic leaders, Sheikh Hilali said the Pope's comments would add fuel to the fire of fundamentalism and terrorism. "The result is to all but destroy the moderates, whereas the fundamentalists gain traction," he said.

Quoting a 14th-century Byzantine emperor on the prophet Muhammad, the Pope said: "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi, said: "It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to undertake a comprehensive study of the jihad and … still less to offend the sensibilities of Muslim faithful."
German Chancellor Angela Merkel came to Benedict's defence, saying: "What Benedict XVI was expressing was his absolute rejection without compromise of any use of violence in the name of religion."

Many Muslims did not see things the same way. In Turkey, the deputy leader of the ruling party, Salih Kapusuz,said: "He is going down in history in the same category as leaders such as Hitler and Mussolini."

The Pakistani Parliament unanimously passed a resolution demanding the Pope "retract his remarks in the interest of harmony between religions".

Other leading Australian Muslims also expressed dismay. Dr Ameer Ali, chairman of the Prime Minister's Muslim Reference Group, said the Pope's use of medieval language sent the wrong message. "The Pope needs to behave like (his predecessor) John Paul II, not Urban II (who launched the Crusades)."

Meanwhile Andrew Robb, parliamentary secretary on multicultural affairs, has told Australia's Muslim clerics they must work harder to denounce terrorism. He said fear and misunderstanding of Muslims was driven by "evil acts done falsely in the name of Islam around the world. These need to be addressed, not swept under the carpet."

[Centarfor9]

The official Vatican translation of Pope Benedict XVI's remarks, delivered in Italian Sunday about his Sept. 12 speech that sparked anger among Muslims.

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The pastoral visit which I recently made to Bavaria was a deep spiritual experience, bringing together personal memories linked to places well known to me and pastoral initiatives towards an effective proclamation of the Gospel for today.

I thank God for the interior joy which he made possible, and I am also grateful to all those who worked hard for the success of this pastoral visit. As is the custom, I will speak more of this during next Wednesday's general audience.

At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

These in fact were a quotation from a Medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought.

Yesterday, the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement in this regard in which he explained the true meaning of my words. I hope that this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with great mutual respect.
i thought that was the apology and these were his comments that sparked the outrage

Quoting a 14th-century Byzantine emperor on the prophet Muhammad, the Pope said: "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

[poutismalakas]

terrorists who think that they are muslims are doing those terrorists acts and not true muslims

too many to name
Muslim leaders form Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Kuwait, Egypt etc all denounce terrorists and their acts
Infact most mulsims around the world dennounce terrorists.
you can find pleanty of examples here, if you were looking for examples
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php


church bombings are bad but what pope said is bad also, you don't have to agree but it is bad because it flames the hate

From Australia:

AGAIN where does it say that I connected Terrorism to Islam???

Also there is no appology on the attacks of those Churches!

i thought that was the apology and these were his comments that sparked the outrage

Quoting a 14th-century Byzantine emperor on the prophet Muhammad, the Pope said: "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Also where is the WHOLE text. You can't just take one sentence and run with it. YOU NEED the whole text to find the intent of why that quote was used. Nice to know at least one person see's that the Pope was remorseful

[Centarfor9]

^ terrorists are doing those things and here are examples of muslims condeming it
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

more on this:
A transcript of the pope's remarks obtained by The Associated Press television network reads: "In the seventh (sura, or chapter of the Quran), the emperor comes to speak about jihad, holy war.

"The emperor certainly knew that Sura 2, 256, reads: 'No force in matters of faith'. It is one of the early suras, from a time -- as experts say -- in which Mohammed himself was still powerless and threatened.

"However, the emperor of course also knew the requirements about the holy war that were later formulated in the Quran. Without going into details like the handling of the owners of the scriptures, or non-believers, he (the emperor) turned to his interlocutors -- in a surprisingly brusque way -- with the central question after the relationship between religion and violence.

"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

The Organization of the Islamic Conference, in a statement released Thursday, said it "regrets the quotations cited by the pope on the Life of the Honorable Prophet Mohammed, and what he referred to as 'spreading' Islam 'by the sword.'"

"The attribution of the spread of Islam around the world to the shedding of blood and violence, which is 'incompatible with the nature of God' is a complete distortion of the facts, which shows deep ignorance of Islam and Islamic history."

Muslim Brotherhood Chairman Mohammed Mahdi Akef also expressed anger over the pope's academic speech.

"The pope's statements come to add fuel to fire and trigger anger within the Muslim world and show that the West with its politicians and clerics are hostile to Islam."

Condemnation also came from Turkey where Benedict is scheduled to visit in November.

"His words are extremely regrettable, worrying and unfortunate in terms of the Christian world and common peace of humanity," the Anatolian state news agency quoted Ali Bardakoglu, the head of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, as saying.
"I do not see any use in somebody visiting the Islamic world who thinks in this way about the holy prophet of Islam."

In Syria, the grand mufti, the country's top Sunni Muslim religious authority, sent a letter to the pope saying he feared the pontiff's comments on Islam would worsen interfaith relations, AP reported.

In Gaza City, Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya issued a condemnation, saying Benedict's remarks "are not true and defamed the essence of this holy religion and it defamed the history of the Islam."
"We say to the pope to re-examine these comments and to stop defaming the Islam religion that more than 1 and half billion Muslims believe in," said Haniya, who made the remarks after Friday prayers.
Later, thousands of Palestinians marched in Gaza, demanding an apology.
In Lebanon, the country's most senior Shiite Muslim cleric demanded the pope personally apologize for insulting Islam.

"We do not accept the apology through Vatican channels ... and ask him (Benedict) to offer a personal apology -- not through his officials -- to Muslims for this false reading (of Islam)," Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah told worshippers.

But the Vatican statement said Benedict's discussion on Tuesday was quite to the contrary.

"The Holy Father's desire (is) to cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue towards other religions and cultures, including, of course, Islam."

According to Lombardi, Benedict's speech was "a warning, addressed to Western culture, to avoid 'the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom.'"

[poutismalakas]

^ terrorists are doing those things and here are examples of muslims condeming it
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
I saw that link BUT I'm talking about those Church bombings and other calls to violence against Christians due to the recent statements made by the Pope?

[Pape]

Fourth I was missunderstood I NEVER meant to involve Bosnia BUT SOME YOU BOSNIANS SEEM THAT HAVE A HARD ON FOR ME!!! ALSO SHOW where I am trying to start a Balkan war????

:baby: :hand: I'd rather go beat my pillow than argue with you. :ronaldo:

[Sema]

I saw that link BUT I'm talking about those Church bombings and other calls to violence against Christians due to the recent statements made by the Pope?

OH MY GOD!!!! Muslims do not need to appologize for the Church bombings because the people who are doing it are NOT Muslims. They say they are but what they do is against Islam, and therefore you can't count them as Muslims.

[BlueArsedFly]

Yes and wat were the crusades for then?????? Hypocritical


What those few muslims do, should not represent all muslims. But the crusades were started by the pope who does represent all of christianity.

are you seriously saying we should hold present day christians responsible, or judge them by events that happened 1000 years ago????

Now thats what i really call hypocritical!!

[BlueArsedFly]

Propaganda that Christians made up to spread hate towards Muslims.

Christians dont need to make up anything after 9/11 and countless other acts - the muslims are doing a fine job all on their own

[Sema]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&hl=en

[BlueArsedFly]

You make a big mistake by connecting terrorists with Islam. Those terrorists are lunatics that claim they are Muslims. They can't be Muslims if they are breaking core beliefs of the religion.


The question is why does islam produce so many fanatics who truly believe they are doing good by mass murder & other terrorist acts. Try telling them they arent true muslims.

I dont see any Hindu, buddist, jewish, sikhk etc terrorists. Only muslims seem to react with violence at the slightest provocation. Why?

I heard an interesting quote from someone on tv yesterday "All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslim" This may not be absolute but its not far off in the present world

[BlueArsedFly]

church bombings are bad but what pope said is bad also, you don't have to agree but it is bad because it flames the hate



How about the murder of a nun? Is that that as bad an act as what the pope said?

[Cro_Sensation]

Alot of people missed what was the real point of the Pope giving that quote. What he meant by it, was that, back in the middle-ages, and before, violence was a way of life. It was how things were settled, when it comes to religion or general feuds. The Jihad had a purpose back then, now, we live in a time where communication should be the best answer instead of violence. That's all he meant. It was taken way out of context.

I agree that John Paul is still the best.

[poutismalakas]

OH MY GOD!!!! Muslims do not need to appologize for the Church bombings because the people who are doing it are NOT Muslims. They say they are but what they do is against Islam, and therefore you can't count them as Muslims.
YES they do because when that stupid news paper printed those picture GOVERNMENTS had to appologise and condemn those pics!!!!!!!!!! So when extremists do this it is OK NOT to say THIS IS NOT Islam we REGRET that INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HURT IN THE NAME OF OUR Religion!!!! We are sorry that morons have made these attacks in the name of our religion?. So Islamic Governemts do have the Obligation to denouce those attack BUT NonIslamic Governments HAVE to appologise what it's citizens did and said?? So what your saying is that it is ok to have a double standard in regards to statment made and PHYSICAL ATTACKS on people and Houses of GOD in response to what was said.

I'm APALLED that you would say there is NO need to appologise for the bombings on Orthodox NOT Catholic churchss in the name of your religion and your excuse is that those people aren't Muslim but if you ask them they will tell you they are! Dude if that was in reverse I would say look I am sorry for what happened BUT you must understand that those Jerks don't represent my religion they represent their twisted view of my religion!

[Sema]

So if someone (from whatever religion you are) were to do everything that was against your religion, would you still consider him a part of it?

[poutismalakas]

So if someone (from whatever religion you are) were to do everything that was against your religion, would you still consider him a part of it?

I would appologize for the actions that some whack job made in the name of my Religion! ie blowing up a houses of whorship.

Look I don't know if you know there has been actions made in the name of Christanity ie bombings of abortion clinics in the 1990's. Those people and their action don't represent Christianity! But they claim to be Christians even thought their actions are direct confict with Christian teachings!


remember 2 wrongs don't make right!!!!!

[Ivan7637]

Muslims overeact to everything. show a bad picture of muhammed....oh no all hell breaks lose. Show a bad picture of jesus....oh no, nothing happens.

[Milos_]

Exactly Ivan.

I thought Alija was with the Ustase?,I didnt know he was with the Nazis(same thing really exept the Ustase did whatever Hitler told them)

[poutismalakas]

www.Drugereport.com (http://drudgereport.com/)


MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Gunmen killed an Italian nun at a children's hospital in Mogadishu on Sunday in an attack that drew immediate speculation of links to Muslim anger over the Pope's recent remarks on Islam.

The Catholic nun's guard also died from pistol shots in the latest attack on foreign personnel in volatile Somalia.

The assassinations were a blow to Mogadishu's new Islamist rulers' attempt to prove they have pacified one of the world's most lawless cities since chasing out warlords in June.

The bodyguard died instantly, but the nun, from the Missionaries of the Consolation order based in Nepi near Rome, was rushed into an operating theater after being hit by three or four bullets in the chest, stomach and back.

"She died in the hospital treatment room," doctor Ali Mohamed Hassan told Reuters. "She was shot outside the hospital, going to her house just across the gate."

A nun from the Missionaries order identified her as sister Leonella Sgorbati, born in 1940, in Piacenza in northern Italy. In Somalia since 2002, she trained nurses at the SOS Kindergarten hospital.

The Italian government said the nun and two other Italian nuns working with her had been repeatedly advised to leave Somalia, which was formerly ruled by Italy.

Sunday's death provoked scenes of mourning at the hospital.

"I was in class when I heard about six to eight shots, I ran out and saw sister bleeding," Fatuma Hassan, 21, told Reuters.

"We're so sad. It's a big loss."

Two suspects were later arrested by Islamist militiamen, but there were no details of their identity.

POPE LINK?

One top Islamist source told Reuters there was "a very high possibility" the attack was linked to controversy over a recent speech by Pope Benedict which angered Muslims who thought it showed their religion to be innately violent.

A senior Somali cleric interviewed by reporters could not provide any further clues behind the motive for the shooting, but said the Pope's comments cast Islam in the wrong light. Wouldn't this shooting also cast a bad light on Muslims????

"The Pope's sentiments are part of the wrong misinterpretation against Islam by America, Israel, Britain and Russia," Sheikh Nur Barud, a senior Somali cleric said. "They insult the Muslim world, kill Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine, their leader is (U.S. President George W.) Bush and the Pope is part of it."

Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi told Italian news agency ANSA he hoped the nun's death was an isolated event but feared it was "the fruit of violence and irrationality arising from the current situation (of Pope), which is without motive or reason."

But in Italy, a nun from Sgorbati's order who asked not to be named said: "We have no reason to suspect any link."

She added: "There were no threats, we had no reason to expect something like this, though of course there are risks."

Borne out of local courts practicing strict sharia law, Somalia's Islamist movement in June seized Mogadishu from U.S.-backed warlords who had run it for the past 15 years.

Though the Islamists have managed to get guns off the streets and bring down roadblocks often run by young, erratic militiamen loyal to warlords, Mogadishu remains full of weapons.

The nun's death -- and the June killing of a Swedish cameraman -- damage their claim that Mogadishu is now safe for foreigners.

Critics of the Islamists say they harbour al Qaeda-linked militants in their ranks. The Islamists deny that, saying the West does not understand them and believes U.S. propaganda.

Islamist spokesman Bedri Hashi said the killing may have been "orchestrated by people to discredit the Islamic Courts."

The Italian nun was the latest in a list of foreign aid workers and other international staff to be killed in Somalia.

Another Italian aid worker, Annalena Tonelli, was shot dead in the self-declared enclave of Somaliland in 2003.

The Islamists are engaged in a political standoff with the Western-backed interim government of Somalia which is based in Baidoa and has little military muscle of its own.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Cawthorne in Nairobi, Mike Holden in London, Massimiliano Di Giorgio in Rome)

[Bosnian Unit]

First Alija Izetbegovic was never officialy member of SS Handzar Division.If you read about him from websites like ''jihadwatch'' or ''srpskamreza'' then he is fundamentalist,terrorists,Nazi etc...

He was activist and member of Youth Muslims(Mladi Muslimani), and he was in prison during Josip Broz Tito regime, just like Franjo Tudjman (Croatia) and Slobodan Milosevic(Serbia). Becouse they were like threat to comunism then by trying to establish Bosnian,Croatian and Serbian states.

Well we all know that happend after Tito's death.

BTW nachi88, i can bet on my LIFE there is still at least 30% of Germans who are pro-Nazi.Nut just Germans but there is people like that all around the world who are into Hitlers ideology.

Alija and Pope in Sarajevo 1997>>>>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/AlijaPope.JPG



Back to the topic..............

poutismalakas,

Im personaly sorry for what those ''Muslims'' did. Palestinan Muslims and Christians had great friendly relationship, and i dont think this is gonna change anything.

Don't talk about religion, its some people who probably doesnt respect their OWN, and if you can't do that you can't respect others.

By the way how many churces have been set on fire in USA, mostly in Alabama,Louisiana and Texas. Nobady knows who did it , and it didnt have some ''media attention'' like this what happend in Palestine. And i belive there was about 200+ churces set on fire in just those 3 states.

After all Pope knew really good in what kind of world we are living today.Why would he said that ? He knew by saying that its like when you put oil on fire.

Plus when Muslims see what is happening to them today, and then Pope saying that, ofcourse they will be mad. Its like whole world is against them.

Even Bush would say BRING THEM ON :D

[Ero]

~edited~

[Ero]

Muslims overeact to everything. show a bad picture of muhammed....oh no all hell breaks lose. Show a bad picture of jesus....oh no, nothing happens.

Exactly!!!!!

anyways the Pope says he's deeply sorry for offending Muslims.... what was up with that muslim guy making a thread saying kill the Pope? :mad2:

[Fenerliyim]

First IB, u have that same line which u repeatedly post in many many threads. And everytime u do that we tell u to read the whole paragraph and not the sentence itself. And we explain it to u, its about time u understood or maybe u just dont wanna understand.


And now Poutis, what those "so called muslims" are doing are not supported by any true muslim or muslim leader. The Pope on the other hand is the official leader of the catholics and technically speaks for all of them and for God.

[normthebarman]

As far as I can tell, all "il papa" did was quote some guy who obviously had a problem with Islam. HE didn't say "I think that islam is the cause of inhumanity" or at least according to reports over here. Some guy from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back did.

Still, it was probably a bit insensitive given the current climate and I've thought an educated man would have given it a bit more thought before causing the sh*t storm that he has.

Incidentally, I also have read a bit about Islam AND Catholicism, and can I just say, people who say they represent them, have both been guilty of some of the worst atrocities the world has ever seen.

Regardless of whether people are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Ba'hai, Jewish, Sikh or Zoroastrian, you're still gonna get some f*ck*d up individuals who'll kill in their God or Gods name.

[Ero]

The Pope on the other hand is the official leader of the catholics and technically speaks for all of them and for God.

that's the Pope's opinion not the opinion of the 1 Billion Catholics world wide!

thats like saying George Bush speaks for all Americans because he's their leader

[normthebarman]

that's the Pope's opinion not the opinion of the 1 Billion Catholics world wide!

Um, but according to the Catholic faith, anything the Pope says, must come from upon high. Therefore, anything against what the pope says must be a sin.

He is Gods chosen representative on earth is he not?

[Fenerliyim]

that's the Pope's opinion not the opinion of the 1 Billion Catholics world wide!

thats like saying George Bush speaks for all Americans because he's their leader

Well G.Bush is the official person who we elected to speak for us.

[ItalianBoy]

You said you're an atheist, and now you saying have the Quran and that you've read it. Come on, either back-up your posts properly, or don't post at all.

Your trying to get back at me is pathetic. Just because I am an atheist it does not mean I do not inform myself. I have the Quran, Bible, Mormom Bible, you name it. You need to get something straight, if you are asking to be owned again, do it via PM.

[nachi88]

How many of you heard his speech? How many of you undertand German?

What he said ( and its not totally untrue either) was a quote of King Manuel II. It was a subtle way of saying that if Islam is allowed in Christian lands, Christianity should be allowed in Islamic lands also.
The Pope made this statement in a Christian country, and if some muslims want to react and protest to what he said in Pakistan or Arabia or anywhere, they are free to. That should not dictate how the Pope should act in his own homeland. I wish he hadnt appologised.

[ARBANITAI]

How many of you heard his speech? How many of you undertand German?

What he said ( and its not totally untrue either) was a quote of King Manuel II. It was a subtle way of saying that if Islam is allowed in Christian lands, Christianity should be allowed in Islamic lands also.
The Pope made this statement in a Christian country, and if some muslims want to react and protest to what he said in Pakistan or Arabia or anywhere, they are free to. That should not dictate how the Pope should act in his own homeland. I wish he hadnt appologised.

I wish also he didnt insulted! but he did...:worried:

[Bosanac]

Your trying to get back at me is pathetic. Just because I am an atheist it does not mean I do not inform myself. I have the Quran, Bible, Mormom Bible, you name it. You need to get something straight, if you are asking to be owned again, do it via PM.


First off, you got owned bro, not me. Get that straight.


Now, are you telling me you read the Quran? If you are, quote the exact text where it says that Muslims have to kill anybody who's not a Muslim. Otherwise, I'll advise you to shut up before you start talking senseless crap and spreading the West propaganda all over the forum.

[ItalianBoy]

Sure thing bubba.
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/death_economy.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

Are you going to shut yp now or do you want me to keep smacking you left and right huh? :lol:

[Bosanac]

Sure thing bubba.
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/death_economy.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

Are you going to shut yp now or do you want me to keep smacking you left and right huh? :lol:


What a bunch of bullshit, I bet those websites are where the propaganda started in the first place.


Unreliable source, I've read the Quran myself, and I never came accross quotes like those. Purely made-up.

[ARBANITAI]

These are false

one of them says:

"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them"

which is so untrue... :D

[ItalianBoy]

Of course those will be your answers, you got owned again and I showed why the Pope said the truth yet you can only say its bs. Propaganda? I don;t see Americans exploding in the name of Jesus. Get a clue fool. Stop the hate.

[Bosanac]

Of course those will be your answers, you got owned again and I showed why the Pope said the truth yet you can only say its bs. Propaganda? I don;t see Americans exploding in the name of Jesus. Get a clue fool. Stop the hate.


You would rather believe some Christian made website than Muslims about something concerning Islam? You have issues.

[nachi88]

How many of you heard his speech? How many of you understand German?How many of you know the context in what he was speaking? Taking a sentence out of context, and making a big hue and cry over it is pathetic.

What he said ( and its not totally untrue either) was a quote of King Manuel II. It was a subtle way of saying that if Islam is allowed in Christian lands, Christianity should be allowed in Islamic lands also.
The Pope made this statement in a Christian country, and if some muslims want to react and protest to what he said in Pakistan or Arabia or anywhere, they are free to. That should not dictate how the Pope should act in his own homeland. I wish he hadnt appologised.

[ItalianBoy]

You would rather believe some Christian made website than Muslims about something concerning Islam? You have issues.
That is pretty logical if you are on the good side like me.

Nachi... Zergustenbarket ewoibfeojbdwa qwopikbnr wqoibqn JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D jk man.

[Bosanac]

That is pretty logical if you are on the good side like me.


There's no good or bad side in this, you're protecting the Christians and I'm protecting the Muslims. Don't be a make-believe marthyr.

[ItalianBoy]

When is your time to be a marthyr? Shall I see you on CNN?:lol:

[nachi88]

That is pretty logical if you are on the good side like me.

Nachi... Zergustenbarket ewoibfeojbdwa qwopikbnr wqoibqn JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D jk man.

IB, for once I agree with you on an issue, and all u can come up with is this pathetic attempt at humour. :D

[ItalianBoy]

The only reason why you do not get its because it does not involve killing. :D

Gersukentastein! JA! JAVOL! SNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL! :D ICH BI NI SMITCH! RAUS! :D

[Bosanac]

When is your time to be a marthyr? Shall I see you on CNN?:lol:


Says a troll

[Bosnian Unit]

Of course those will be your answers, you got owned again and I showed why the Pope said the truth yet you can only say its bs. Propaganda? I don;t see Americans exploding in the name of Jesus. Get a clue fool. Stop the hate.

Meybe you should read this :)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html

[ItalianBoy]

Says a troll
You sure got pissed off. I can tell you are enraged now. Its ok, just join the good side.

[Bosanac]

You sure got pissed off. I can tell you are enraged now. Its ok, just join the good side.


Man, let go of the superficial things. Relax, it's okay, the fact I owned you doesn't mean you have go nuts on me. Take it like a man

[ItalianBoy]

Stop replying like a sore loser with stuff I told you too many times. Learn to shut up when you have been bitch slapped. You should be used to it. How many did you lose? You know what I mean... :lol:

[Bosanac]

Stop replying like a sore loser with stuff I told you too many times. Learn to shut up when you have been bitch slapped. You should be used to it. How many did you lose? You know what I mean... :lol:



I wish I never owned you. You were such a cool member, and now look at you? Man.. it's sad. You lost your cool man.. You have really lost it.

[ItalianBoy]

Don't be sad.

[Bosanac]

Don't be sad.


There you go, be cool

[ItalianBoy]

I am cool already. You are cool because of the cold shower I just gave ya.

[Bosanac]

You are cool because of the cold shower I just gave ya.

Man, see, that's where you lose it.

[Bosanac]

The websites you are talking about are likely apologist websites that put a clever spin on the fact that there is hate in your holy book.


Likely? What websites? You come here for the sole reason to insult me, without even knowing what I'm talking about. Obviously, you're a troll and this will be my first, and last reply to you.

[BlueArsedFly]

Whether suicide bombers & terrorists are true muslims or not is inot the point-what is it about the islamic faith that makes so many of them believe they are actually doing good?? Why is it only the muslims that react so consistently violent at the slightest of provocation??

Look at the response over a cartoon. Mass riots in the street and calls for holy war and murder. Now the pope says something they dont like and its burning effigies, death to the west and murder of nuns. Pathetic. Where are the apologies from the so called "true" muslims.

While the rest of the world has moved on these people still live in the dark ages and would drag us all into another dark age if they had the chance.

No one who witnessed muslims dancing in the streets, laughing & cheering after 9/11 will be having any sympathy for the hurt feelings of muslims now - and where were the apologies then?

All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslim is a good summing up of todays world. Democracy, free speech & tolerance seem to be totally alien to the muslim world and if they dont come to their senses soon they will drag us all into a global conflict.

[ItalianBoy]

Amen!

[Bosanac]

Has anybody seen me post websites?

[ItalianBoy]

No, and that is because you can not back up your own religion. I posted links and you could only came back with "Its crap!" Simply because it was making you ashamed! :lol:

[Bosanac]

No, and that is because you can not back up your own religion. I posted links and you could only came back with "Its crap!" Simply because it was making you ashamed! :lol:


If it was true, and I am Muslim, I would've known about it. I would've never even said what I said if it wasn't true. Remember, I'm a smart guy, I wouldn't screw myself.

Anyway, I'm out. This forum all of a sudden turned into a trolling embassy

[ItalianBoy]

If it was true, and I am Muslim, I would've known about it. I would've never even said what I said if it wasn't true. Remember, I'm a smart guy, I wouldn't screw myself.

The mere fact you have to self reassure your own posts tells me you are anything but bright.

You are the one who started to troll.

[Bosanac]

The mere fact you have to self reassure your own posts tells me you are anything but bright.

You are the one who started to troll.


No, I'm reminding you that what you're currently doing is stupid.

[ItalianBoy]

No, I'm reminding you that what you're currently doing is stupid. No, you are reminding me that you have no facts to back up your claims to then go in the mod lounge and spam me as the provokatour and you as the angel when you called me bitch 3 times just because I exposed you. Don't get yourself in arguments with better people than you and you won't get hurt. I hope you learned your lesson.

[Bosanac]

No, you are reminding me that you have no facts to back up your claims to then go in the mod lounge and spam me as the provokatour and you as the angel when you called me bitch 3 times just because I exposed you. Don't get yourself in arguments with better people than you and you won't get hurt. I hope you learned your lesson.



No fact is a better fact than "I AM A MUSLIM"

Yes, I posted your and your friends name in the Bannable People Thread because you were both trolling me out. I don't deal with trolls, the management does.

[BlueArsedFly]

The Pope is not in big shit, he's a product of a crooked system in and of itself, and said those things on purpose to start a hate war between the two religions.

no need to start anything cos the war was started on 11th september 2001

[ItalianBoy]

No fact is a better fact than "I AM A MUSLIM"

Yes, I posted your and your friends name in the Bannable People Thread because you were both trolling me out. I don't deal with trolls, the management does.

I knew you were a muslim by the way you spoke. So what? Being a muslim does not give you an immense right to be correct about everything. Fact is actually that you will probably try to cover up all the dirty thing the Quran says. And in doing so, being the LEAST reliable source. You talk about trolling? Dude, that is low. The only troll is you.

[Bosanac]

I knew you were a muslim by the way you spoke. So what? Being a muslim does not give you an immense right to be correct about everything. Fact is actually that you will probably try to cover up all the dirty thing the Quran says. And in doing so, being the LEAST reliable source. You talk about trolling? Dude, that is low. The only troll is you.


Why would I cover anything up for 2 little trolls? I don't need to cover anything up, I step up when I see lies and ridicilous bullshit. What kind of a holy book would have the words 'kill the unbelievers in it'? Come on man, it's ridicilous. It's stupid, it's pure made up propaganda. But you fell for it, and I'm sorry for you doing so.

[GentiaNi]

comon dont you guys waste ur time for that ?
we all know IB is a troll :rolleyes:

[Bosanac]

http://www.twf.org/Library/Violence.html


All of you propaganda believers should read that


Islam does not allow or sanctify the killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. According to the Qur'an and Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) life is sacrosanct.


Other critics of Islam found: "Kill them wherever you catch them. . . " (2:191), ". . . But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89), and similar verses.

When placed within their textual and historical contexts, however, their true meanings emerge:

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).


We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See 5:32.)

Muslims believe in all Prophets sent by Allah, and so do not misuse or misinterpret the religious texts of other faiths in order to defame them. Even in recent times, Muslims have and are facing genocidal campaigns in Bosnia, Kosova, Chechnia, Kashmir, and PalestineÑbut they have not questioned Judaism and Christianity. Such a spirit needs to be reciprocated.

[kram]

The Pope has got himself into deep shit by saying Islam is a religion full of blood and death and conversions by the sword. He stated later he did not mean to offend the muslims but that is just bs. I use to like Pope John, he was a nice guy and all and hope he goes to heaven but this new guy is horrible.

I never liked this new pope. He was also quoted as saying, before he was the pope, that Budhism is a religion for the self indulgent. Pope John Paul was the best pope that the world has ever known and he will be missed.

[kram]

That's pretty funny coming from a Catholic.

Well Rome was the obvious next target for a terrorist act anyway, so why not make it the Vatican...
That scares me the way you say that. As if you say it with a casual disregard. But after this, I have considered that the Vatican might be the next "airplane into building" target.

[kram]

"Alchohol, Alchohol, Thats the real deal, who doesn't like alcohol isn't normal"
Thats roughly how its translated.
I don't like Alchohol. But I respect others rights to use it.

[kram]

You said you're an atheist, and now you saying have the Quran and that you've read it. Come on, either back-up your posts properly, or don't post at all.
Just because he has no beliefs does not mean that he cannot own a book for the sake of it. Maybe he uses it for reference to understand how and why others think the way they do. Back up your contentions with some open mindedness.

[Bosanac]

Just because he has no beliefs does not mean that he cannot own a book for the sake of it. Maybe he uses it for reference to understand how and why others think the way they do. Back up your contentions with some open mindedness.

If he had it, he would've read it. If he read it, he wouldn't have never said that Islam promotes violence. Therefore, he doesn't have the Qur'an or hasn't read it.

But anyway, fk the troll..



Back to topic

[Fenerliyim]

IB only sees what he wants to see and nothing else.

[Centarfor9]

The Pope is not in big shit, he's a product of a crooked system in and of itself, and said those things on purpose to start a hate war between the two religions.

Soccrates, I don't think he would do that we are not in 14th century anymore. Or would he??

[benfica64]

the bottom line is this and these are facts. You cannot say anything what so ever against a muslim or they start to freak and want to burn down your town. You can not say anything against a jew or they will have all of Isreal demanding answers.

[ItalianBoy]

I know you hate your own country and religion and you are ashamed of it and you can not belive that I just schooled you again, but if you are going to reply, do it in a less trolling way and stop reapeting the same crap over and over. No wonder people don't like you. :boo:

[ItalianBoy]

the bottom line is this and these are facts. You cannot say anything what so ever against a muslim or they start to freak and want to burn down your town. You can not say anything against a jew or they will have all of Isreal demanding answers.

Exactly. Look at what bosanacc is doing. What a fake.

[Bosanac]

I know you hate your own country and religion and you are ashamed of it and you can not belive that I just schooled you again, but if you are going to reply, do it in a less trolling way and stop reapeting the same crap over and over. No wonder people don't like you. :boo:


What a load of crap, all your assumptions of me are fake.


The fact I am noble to my country and my religion is pissing you off, so therefore you are insulting me with the complete opposite. That's a troll behaviour.

[ItalianBoy]

You must be one of the dumbest people I ever chatted with. You simply just can not get around the fact that you asked for proof and I delivered it to then deny everything. You do realize your replies are the one of a pyscho nutjob who has to self reassure himself right? I mean, what kinf od 12 year post is that man? You either come up with facts or you stop the word mambo jumbo crap. You hate it, that is why you feel like you always have to reply when we accuse, and rightfully so, muslims or "immigrants"...

[Bosanac]

You must be one of the dumbest people I ever chatted with. You simply just can not get around the fact that you asked for proof and I delivered it to then deny everything. You do realize your replies are the one of a pyscho nutjob who has to self reassure himself right? I mean, what kinf od 12 year post is that man? You either come up with facts or you stop the word mambo jumbo crap. You hate it, that is why you feel like you always have to reply when we accuse, and rightfully so, muslims or "immigrants"...



Here's your answer, you ***king troll.


http://www.twf.org/Library/Violence.html



Islam does not allow or sanctify the killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. According to the Qur'an and Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) life is sacrosanct.


Other critics of Islam found: "Kill them wherever you catch them. . . " (2:191), ". . . But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89), and similar verses.

When placed within their textual and historical contexts, however, their true meanings emerge:

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).


We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See 5:32.)

Muslims believe in all Prophets sent by Allah, and so do not misuse or misinterpret the religious texts of other faiths in order to defame them. Even in recent times, Muslims have and are facing genocidal campaigns in Bosnia, Kosova, Chechnia, Kashmir, and PalestineÑbut they have not questioned Judaism and Christianity. Such a spirit needs to be reciprocated.

[ItalianBoy]

Well what can I say, not only you cussed me out again:


Here's your answer, you ***king troll.



but I guess that your link is bullshit. Muslims trying to cover up. Simple, only a blind could not see the truth.

[Bosanac]

but I guess that your link is bullshit. Muslims trying to cover up. Simple, only a blind could not see the truth.


No, only a blind would believe the west propaganda!

[Bosanac]

Religious texts, if not read within their proper textual and historical contexts, are easily manipulated and distorted. Let us look at the Bible and apply the standards applied above.

In Deuteronomy, the fifth book of the Torah, Moses shares this message from God as the Israelites prepare to enter the Promised Land: "I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy." (Deut. 32:42)

"When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord, your God, delivers them before you and you defeat them, destroy them utterly. Make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them" (Deuteronomy 7:1-2).

"When your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying 'Let us go and serve other gods,' . . . you shall kill him, your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God. . . " (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10)

"When you approach a city to fight it, offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, all the people found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, besiege it. When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, kill all the men in it. Take as booty only the women, children, animals, and all that is in the city, all its spoils. Use the spoils of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you. . . Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deuteronomy 20:10-17).

"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But spare for yourselves all virgin maidens" (Numbers 31:17-18).

"I will send my terror in front of you. . . you shall utterly demolish them and break their pillars in pieces" (Exodus 23: 23-24, 27).

The New Testament attributes the following statements to Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Mathew 10:34-35).

"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).

There are dozens of other verses that, if taken out from their historical context, seem to favor violence. Some violent Muslim groups misuse the Qur'anic verses just as various violent Jewish and Christian groups have used them to justify their causes. The Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. The Nazis used them against Jews. Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims, and Zionists regularly use them against Palestinians. David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Baruch Goldstein all relied on religious texts to justify their violence.

[Bosanac]

Well what can I say, not only you cussed me out again:



but I guess that your link is bullshit. Muslims trying to cover up. Simple, only a blind could not see the truth.


You're just ignoring my post, because it answers all your sceptic questions towards Islam.

[ItalianBoy]

No, only a blind would believe the west propaganda! Your article was simply stupid.

And this quote shows you are part of the jihad or something.
bosanacc is about to explode or cut someone's head off in ...5...4...3...2...1... HE IS A TERRORIST! :lol:

Shut up before your last name dissapears for good.

[Bosanac]

Your article was simply stupid.

And this quote shows you are part of the jihad or something.
bosanacc is about to explode or cut someone's head off in ...5...4...3...2...1... HE IS A TERRORIST! :lol:

Shut up before your last name dissapears for good.


You're a troll. You can't call an article stupid if you didn't read it. First give yourself some time, actually read the story, than come here and call my article stupid.

[ItalianBoy]

I did read it honey, and even if I did not, just because you posted it... its bullshit.

[Bosanac]

I did read it honey, and even if I did not, just because you posted it... its bullshit.


Well, unfortunately, you're not the first troll to say something like that.


Why aren't you responding to my arguments? Run, run away from the discussion. RUN!

[ItalianBoy]

Well, unfortunately, you're not the first troll to say something like that.


Why aren't you responding to my arguments? Run, run away from the discussion. RUN!

Damn dude, you are also a schizoid over a Muslim? That is not good. What points? You have none! Stop creating lies man, and stop with the troll act.

So, when you say my links are crap, its ok, but when I say your lnk is crap... its not ok? Do you understand why we are fighting your...race?

[Bosanac]

Damn dude, you are also a schizoid over a Muslim? That is not good. What points? You have none! Stop creating lies man, and stop with the troll act.

So, when you say my links are crap, its ok, but when I say your lnk is crap... its not ok? Do you understand why we are fighting your...race?

Read this


Religious texts, if not read within their proper textual and historical contexts, are easily manipulated and distorted. Let us look at the Bible and apply the standards applied above.

In Deuteronomy, the fifth book of the Torah, Moses shares this message from God as the Israelites prepare to enter the Promised Land: "I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy." (Deut. 32:42)

"When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord, your God, delivers them before you and you defeat them, destroy them utterly. Make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them" (Deuteronomy 7:1-2).

"When your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying 'Let us go and serve other gods,' . . . you shall kill him, your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God. . . " (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10)

"When you approach a city to fight it, offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, all the people found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, besiege it. When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, kill all the men in it. Take as booty only the women, children, animals, and all that is in the city, all its spoils. Use the spoils of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you. . . Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deuteronomy 20:10-17).

"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But spare for yourselves all virgin maidens" (Numbers 31:17-18).

"I will send my terror in front of you. . . you shall utterly demolish them and break their pillars in pieces" (Exodus 23: 23-24, 27).

The New Testament attributes the following statements to Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Mathew 10:34-35).

"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).

There are dozens of other verses that, if taken out from their historical context, seem to favor violence. Some violent Muslim groups misuse the Qur'anic verses just as various violent Jewish and Christian groups have used them to justify their causes. The Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. The Nazis used them against Jews. Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims, and Zionists regularly use them against Palestinians. David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Baruch Goldstein all relied on religious texts to justify their violence.

[ItalianBoy]

Read this:

SCRAM!

[Bosanac]

SCRAM!


Literally, that's what you're doing.

[ItalianBoy]

That post meant nothing. Like you of course.

[Bosanac]

That post meant nothing. Like you of course.


It meant nothing to you because you're a troll. Anybody sane would agree with me. Anyway, I'm out

[ItalianBoy]

Location:
Bosnian


Maybe you mean, Bosnia? Because Bosnian is not a country.


Occupation:
Unemployed


Gee I wonder why?


World Cup Pick:
France


POOOO PO PO PO PO POOO POO!:lol: :D

[ulster21]

the bottom line is this and these are facts. You cannot say anything what so ever against a muslim or they start to freak and want to burn down your town. You can not say anything against a jew or they will have all of Isreal demanding answers.

100% true

[ulster21]

The pope calls the muslim religion violent and to prove him wrong the muslims create mobs and kill defenseless nuns and burn down Christian churches........ They really proved him wrong :lol:

[Cherry.DeRossi]

The pope calls the muslim religion violent and to prove him wrong the muslims create mobs and kill defenseless nuns and burn down Christian churches........ They really proved him wrong :lol:

Have they really starting to kill defenseless nuns and burning the churches over the Pope's comment already??? :sad:

[Bosanac]

Have they really starting to kill defenseless nuns and burning the churches over the Pope's comment already??? :sad:

:lol:

Of course not. Muslim extremists might they say they will, only to express their anger towards him for saying a such thing, but it's not going to happen.

[Cherry.DeRossi]

:lol:

Of course not. Muslim extremists might they say they will, only to express their anger towards him for saying a such thing, but it's not going to happen.

Good to hear that, hope it will stay that way...:heart:

[MarieL]

That scares me the way you say that. As if you say it with a casual disregard. But after this, I have considered that the Vatican might be the next "airplane into building" target.
Sorry. The cynicism in me rears its ugly head sometimes. It's just that there is so much shit going on in the world everyday that nothing would surprise me anymore. :(

The last thing I want is for it to actually happen, so maybe saying it will will make it less likely... probably not.
If I had my way all weapons would be shot into deep space and people would be left to fight each other with their bare fists, but that's a fantasy.

[MarieL]

:lol:

Of course not. Muslim extremists might they say they will, only to express their anger towards him for saying a such thing, but it's not going to happen.
Actually a nun was already killed and I believe they are already burning churches somewhere. Unless they lie in the news...

[Fenerliyim]

The news only likes to show violence and not the whole picture. They dont care about the peaceful people only the ones that are violent. Those "terrorist", which are not muslim but call themselves muslim, are less than 1% of the whole muslim population. And for some reason people judge all of us by those 1%

[Bosanac]

Actually a nun was already killed and I believe they are already burning churches somewhere. Unless they lie in the news...


The fact that a nun was killed could be true, but how can they possibly tie it to the current event? The whole thing could be used to take attention away from Pope's mishap and turn it to 'Violent Muslims', you know how Western Countries work.

[ulster21]

The news only likes to show violence and not the whole picture. They dont care about the peaceful people only the ones that are violent. Those "terrorist", which are not muslim but call themselves muslim, are less than 1% of the whole muslim population. And for some reason people judge all of us by those 1%

Yes only 1% of the muslim pop. are terrorists but what % of the Muslim population supports terrorist activity or believes they are justified. That # is pretty damn high after all no leading muslim clerics speak out against Islamic terrorism. Why no condemnation from Muslim leaders?

[baj]

Yes only 1% of the muslim pop. are terrorists but what % of the Muslim population supports terrorist activity or believes they are justified. That # is pretty damn high after all no leading muslim clerics speak out against Islamic terrorism. Why no condemnation from Muslim leaders?
You have more or less hit the nail on the head of what i was going to say. I am not a racist person but unless Muslim leaders and there comunity as a whole starts speaking out then everyone is going to start thinking they are all of the same opinion. If all Muslims care for the reputation of there relegion then they owe it to there people to condem this contineus reaction to anything that is being said.

[nachi88]

Yes only 1% of the muslim pop. are terrorists but what % of the Muslim population supports terrorist activity or believes they are justified. That # is pretty damn high after all no leading muslim clerics speak out against Islamic terrorism. Why no condemnation from Muslim leaders?

I must agree with the bulk of your post. Muslims must condemn the fanatics.

[ItalianBoy]

It is amazing how the muslims in here are trying everything to avoid the fact that the killings and burnings ARE happening and that IT IS tied to this.

The Pope is supposed to visit Turkey and some militants already stated they want him arrested!

[())__Green__))>]

The pope calls the muslim religion violent and to prove him wrong the muslims create mobs and kill defenseless nuns and burn down Christian churches........ They really proved him wrong
kk the best thing to do is close this thread because its all propaganda and discrimination against muslim people..
listen to this..
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD THINKS OF US AS TERRORISTS AND EVERYONE IS THINKING BAD OF US AND ATTACKING IRAQ!
so what is America then??
America attacks Iraq for "weapons of mass destruction"
and bombs innocent children in towns and kill them and they are the heroes
and when we kill 1 American soldier who is shooting at us.. then we are the Satan's Son..
its all propaganda and a bunch of lies..
You are all a bunch of assholes for taking 1 side and pointing your fingers and say "yes he is muslim, he is a terrorists... Islam is a bad religion, they do bad stuff"
how about you go look at both points of view.. and then decide which is right!
That is how propaganda is started.. just looking at it 1 point of view and then talking about it..
well guess what, America is planning to take over most of muslim countries
they already got bases in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, maybe soon Iran too
see its all propaganda..
why the hell do they invade Iraq and kill innocent civilians for "weapons of mass destruction" when they are actually only in it to take over Iraq and for the oil, when they could be actually looking at serious matters and attack Korea if they are actually the "good guys"
see its all propaganda to make all of you believe that we are bad??
then why isn't America trying to stop Korea's nuclear weapons and stuff
and they are trying to stop Iran's.. and Iran said they won't use it because its just for studies..
and right away America points the finger and says that Iran is the bad guy.. and Korea has also nukes and America licks their asses
See America is all bullshit, they like to lick Great Britains ass and many other countries to support them in middle east

since you like point the finger,
there i pointed my finger at Americans...
now watch them be like "omg propaganda.. you're just like them.. you cant say that stuff here.."
but its just the truth