who's fault now portugal ?

[Severus]

so now who are you going to blame for the disaster in paris ? was it the officials, fifa, the blades of grass were too thick ? the ball was only round for france ? what ???

anyone but yourselves eh ... yeah that's the portuguese way - blame everyone else for your pathetic performances.

world class teams don't lose in a 4-0 fashion, get over it ... portugal are pretenders not contenders !!!

[mfa]

What's your problem?

[mfa]

We have been pretending pretty well then...ooops...sorry to remind you...it must be hard for you to think about any other game except the one against France

[Severus]

you're my problem !!! you and all those foolish portuguese who believe that the whole fifa community is against portugal.

and what's this supposed to mean ? ...

"We have been pretending pretty well then...ooops...sorry to remind you...it must be hard for you to think about any other game except the one against France"

YOU LOT HAVE BEEN PRETENDING EVER SINCE YOU JOINED FIFA !!! what do you think, it just started ? portugal will never amount to anything !

france 4 portugal 0

[mfa]

If I had seen some of your other posts before I wouldn't even have bothered to reply to you

you really have a big problem

I bet your national team doesn't complain about fifa


Vai-te foder

Aposto que percebeste isto

[mfa]

If I had seen some of your other posts before I wouldn't even have bothered to reply to you

you really have a big problem

I bet your national team doesn't complain about fifa


Vai-te foder

Aposto que percebeste isto

[Severus]

"I bet your national team doesn't complain about fifa"


what ????????????????????????????????

who's complaining about fifa ?????? i am complaining about how many sucks support the portuguese national team ... do you know how to read ?

[Dan]

Hey Severus whats wrong with you???

OK...we got thrashed 4-0....

It was only a friendly....I don't care....in a competitive game there is no way we would lost in that fashion...we had an understrength team......

Please tell me the country you support or are you ashamed?

aND WHAT DO YOU MEAN HOW MANY "SUCKS" SUPPORT IT..

well we believe it or not are Portuguese so do you want us to support San Marino instead????:mad: :mad:

[Severus]

firstly, what france did was out-class portugal. that was my point.

secondly, my post was directed to the portuguese SUCKS who always feel that the fifa community are out to get them. this was also directed to the ignorant fools who feel portugal were robbed at the euros.

thirdly, why would i be ashamed to support a team like italia that is technically, tactically and traditionally superior to portugal ??? if anyone should be ashamed it should be yourself !

ciao

[Kaneda]

ooooohhhhh come on Severus or what your name is...
I like football and would never talk like u bastard...even
if it is about a team that I don't like...

Start first respecting the people around u and stop talk shit...

and one thing more...Where were the italian clubs this last years??
And really...u have to admit that the italian national team had only luck on the EURO 2000. They played shity against Holland
France...I mean they played every game shity so watch out what u say...

[Severus]

you just proved my point. thanks for doing my job for me.

i'll admit we played horribly in the euro2000. but guess what, we were 30 seconds away from winning it all ! so what does that tell ya ? imagine if we actually played decent.

once again, thanks.

[ItalianBoy]

I am reading a lot of stuff that is pissing me off, The ITA national team is one of the best, if not THE best in the world, and that is a fact.
Secondly, the ITA teams got to 1-4 finals. And where were the PorT. teams?
And Lucky?
what bullshit, we got a player expelled and they got so many Pks and missed and got beaten on Pk's.
And we played awesome soccer as always.
So please, if you are jelous that you are portugal and we are Italy, ***k off and go play with sucky players like Figo.
The Port national as no real player.
Figo sucks so bad, there is just a lot fo hype aroudn him. Rui Costa is good but not a god. And Nuno gomes scored some good goals but is no where near Rivaldo Montella, Vieri etc etc.
Who else...... o yeah no one!
So please, first get Q for the WC, win some good games and than come back. Until than dont piss us off.

[Yacoob]

The friendly you were talking about must not be used as tool to prove how bad Portugal is. Portugal used a squad which consisted of new players who had no former experience in international matches. So, that means that France's first eleven beat Portugal's back-up squad. Our playmaker Rui Costa didn't play the match, he's one player who can make the difference in such a match.

As for Italy, if it wasn't for France's cheating in their match against Portugal, you were going to face Portugal in the final match, I can't think of you as the winners of such a match if ever happened. Even when you were waiting for the referee to announce the end of the match with you as the winners, I had a feeling that France will win no matter what. And I was right. Thanks to Del Piero and co.

[Kaneda]

Sorry if I said something that didn't like...if I did then I take it back...
U must undestand my point of view...
When Portugal was striked out against France, I was so pissed
and I just wanted Italy to win on the final...
I have a lot of Italian friends and we just saw the game together...Portugese and Italian guys.
U are right when u say that we don't have a good team...u r more than right...
But I'm just so proud of what they are doing for the moment and sometimes the words just come to easy without passing trough the head...sorry about that.
We r all so proud about our teams...if they win or lose...and we would not talk about soccer if everybody had the same team or opinion...
I hope u undestand what I mean and sorry again...
World Cup without Italy is like Rome without beautiful girls...
Hope to see them there...
Viva Forza Italia
Viva Portugal
Viva futebol...

[Kaneda]

I admit u r right...
And I respect your proudness...

Viva

[Kaneda]

All my apologies not to watch out what I'm saying...
But sometimes the love for a team is too big and as soon as
I hear or read something against my team I just get f...ing angry.

But I have to apologize for this one cause as I already said to
ItalianBoy...Portugal is my team and I love them but the Italian are a f...ing strong team and I hope we will be seen as them in
a near future...
sorry again guys...

Respect...

Viva futebol

[ItalianBoy]

Yaccob, you dont think that ITa would have beat POR 3-0?
Please, France didnt play well gainst POR ok, but to say that you guys would have won its a little too much.
And Kaneda, POR is an ok team, they need a better defense like Secretario,
They got Sergio conceicao Nuno and Rui that I like. But I cant stand Figo. sorry.
well support your team and I see your point.

[Zvezda]

Tell me , u italian guys , WHAT´S WRONG WITH LUÍS FIGO ???
Can u do it , please ?!?!?! THANKS ... :)

[ItalianBoy]

Well I'll tell you Port. guys!
Figo sucks ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally I wouldnt buy him for 3 M bucks!
Real suck too. RC is good and thats it.
In SPA soccer there is a lot of hype around some players.
Like Raul, Figo, Mendieta etc.
In ITA too but they are mostly young players.
I dont recall Figo to have a super powerful shot or an amazing grace in the pass dribbling that he dosent have.
How many goals did he score this year?!!!!!??
No I like to know.
Real, dumbest team, its Perez that is an asshole.
The guy wants to buy Zidane, Mendieta and Nesta, which will never come and even if he buys only ONE of this players Real goes bankrupt.
Did you knwo that?
Thats why they stopped trying for Zidane, they saw that it was too much and now they are trying to get Rui Costa.
I hope he satys cuz he is pretty good.
In the end, Figo to me, sucks bad and Real did a dimb thing to buy him and pay all those money.
In Barca he was OK. but not like Rivaldo etc.
So please. You like Figo cuz you HAVE to otherwise who knows what.
Ok, but come to me and sy he is good cuz facts speak for themself.

[Yacoob]

He doesn't suck, he's one of the best players in the world.

But I don't like him, I mean not as much as Rui Costa. Rui Costa have great dribbling, his pass is very accurate, but it's true that he plays much better with Fiorentina than with Portugal.

[Kaneda]

I hope Portugal will qualify for World Cup....For the moment everything seems to be ok and that's because we have this guy called FIGO...u know that guy who saved Portugal a few times...
If Portugal is in 5th place of the fifa rankings and praticaly qualified for World Cup then it's because of him...

U don't like him....that's OK

I will just be cool and I would never talk shit about some other player like maybe this asshole from Zidane....who is the best player on world...I admit but u guys only can talk shit about other players and put flowers around your teams....ahhhh disgusting...

It's easy to talk bad then to create an intelligent dialog...

I'm 2 months here on this site and it just sucks to hear....
this guy is bad...this guy sucks...I hate here and I hate there...

WAKE UP CHILDREN.....HOW OLD R U ALL??????

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK CREATIVE ABAOUT SOCCER THEN WAKE ME UP.....till there i will stay on other soccer chats that are more constructive and people are more funny even if they have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OPINIONS....

VIVA SOCCER
VIVA PORTUGAL

[Yacoob]

For me, I can't say that Portugal will qualify because of one player. No matter how good is he, he is only one player in a full squad. Every player participated in the match will take the credit for the qualifying.

I said that he's good, right? The other side is that he's way overhyped by the media, just like Zidane. Now don't start assaulting me in the basis of seeing things like that about the best players in the world according to the Fifa and other magazines, but I have to say that no player in the world deserves to be the best player in the world. These players are good mainly because they are playing in some of the best teams in the world, they win cups and trophies, that's why they are ranked higher than some other players.

I'm sure that in Portugal, Rui Costa is very underrated by everyone in the media. I remember before Euro2000, Portugal played a friendly with Italy which Italy won by 2-0, but when? When Rui Costa was substituted. When he got out, the midfield fall apart, I think the Portugese should pay more respect to Rui Costa and some other players instead of shouting "FIGO" all the time.

[Kaneda]

Tanx for your reply...that's the kind of reply or soccer talk I like...
U r right when u say that Portugal is not yet qualified...but as Portugal fan I just keep hoping...;-)
Well...in my mind they are already qualified but as u also said
a team does not have only one player.
Figo is like a new Eusebio...a merchandising objekt that is used
for represent Portugal...
Now for the question if he is the best or not...i don't reply to such answers cos a football player never stays the best one for long.
It's just an aspect from TV, merchandising and other stuff...A player like u said is never relly the best player on this world...

I really think Portugal is gona make it to the World Cup and I hope that other countries will respect not the individual but the whole team as they diseve it.
I'm waiting for years to see Por in a World Cup and always stayed
neutral for other teams...
I hope again, that Italy and England will do it too...may the best win...

Tanx again for your very good reply

VIVA FUTEBOL
VIVA PORTUGAL

[Yacoob]

I'm a Portugal fan myself, we surely haven't qualified yet, but we've better chances than Holland. In fact we still have the chance to be the top of the group, which will surely put all those talking about Portugal being a crap team to rest. We shouldn't underestimate out opponents though, as easy as the matches may seem, they are World Cup qualifying matches, so anything may happen. I'm still waiting, and I hope we'll reach the WC.

[ItalianBoy]

Kaneda, clam down man.
I personally cant stand Figo.
So much hype around him. And its not cuz he is PORT. S Conceicao is and I like him.
Figo sucks ass. and even zidane is supposed to be one of the best and guess what?
he might go play in Real, where your playa plays too.
but wait?
How many goals did Figo score this year?
Please. I saw loads of Figo games and in Barca he was pretty good, but in Real he is bad.
Thats all.
I just dont get how ESP people cant put SOOOOOOOO much hype one playa to than sell him for loads of money.
in ITA we do it with the likes of Cassano, but at least we dont make it WWIDE!!!!!!

[Yacoob]

I don't know what's up with Real? Why everybody want to join them? I don't consider them the best in the world, Bayern Munich showed them that spending billions on overhyped players won't win them the Champions League.

[ItalianBoy]

Real sukcs ass.
It seems that now its the "cool" team to play in.
Weird.
I mean RC is good, Guti too, Raul is ok, Figo no Zidane wont help.
Real might go bankrupt for this trade.
I mean buying a 29 yeard old player for that mich money is simply DUMB.
The results will speak for themself.
Still, I dont think Moggi will sell Zidane and not plan another big trade like Riquelme maybe or who knows.
Lets hope good.

[Zvezda]

Envy is something horrible , hehehehe !! Well , I´d like to know if FIGO moves to your team ( ItalianBoy ) what will u said about him after that tranfer ... ;)

[Zvezda]

Envy is something horrible , hehehehe !! Well , I´d like to know if FIGO moves to your team ( ItalianBoy ) what will u say about him after that supposed transfer ... ;)

[ItalianBoy]

Envy?
for what?
If Figo moves to my team Juve, I will be very dissapointed, I cant stand him and I think he sucks.
Just like Davids this last season.
Well!!!!!

[Kaneda]

Figo scored 9 goals during last season...
played 33 games from 34 plus games for Portugal
without champions league and cup...
and directly assisted 1/3 of all Real goals...
He was the regularest player of one of the best leagues
in the world...
He only had a little breakdown in march but it was not for long...
This guy puts his mates on fire...he's got the devil in
his shoes and sometimes over the whole body...

But everyone deserves to have his own meaning...
I don't like Davids too because I think he is not enough regular but he is also a genius....so respect...

[Yacoob]

I thought Figo was a selfish player, all he was trying to do in a match is to dribble and shoot the ball. That's what he does at most times especially with Portugal. Ok, it may work most of the times, he may score by his "shoot from anywhere" atitude, but I can't see why he doesn't pass the damn ball in the right time?! Is Rui Costa supposed to be the engine for Portugal? I mean, Rui Costa have been passing and moving the whole team, yet it's Figo who got the fame for his goals and dribbling which most of the times make it easy for opponents to get the ball. Just look at Portugal-Holland match and tell me, who was the player who dribbled past four players at a time, it's not Figo for sure.

[juventino]

whatever happens the combination of figo, rui costa and coceicao makes it portugal a deadly team

[ItalianBoy]

Well but I use logic most of the times and would you ever have paid that much for Figo, a player that was supposed to score so much and make all the passes?
I mean I would buy Figo for what he did for not 140Billion liras but 30!
Same with Zidane.
160B for a 29 year old player that scored 8 goals in THE best C in the world?
right away!!!!!!!!!!
Figo was good in Barca, in Real he was a disaster.
In Portugal he had some nice moves I have to say, but overall he is kind of a jerk, no offense.
Did you see the BM game!?
man he was acting like a spiled bitch!
Davids is good but had a bad season and ***ked up bad for the Nandodrolone and put the whole ITa C upside down.
Untrue.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Yacoob
As for Italy, if it wasn't for France's cheating in their match against Portugal, you were going to face Portugal in the final match, I can't think of you as the winners of such a match if ever happened. Even when you were waiting for the referee to announce the end of the match with you as the winners, I had a feeling that France will win no matter what. And I was right. Thanks to Del Piero and co.

personally, i agree with almost everyone says except for italianboy and yacoob, yes you and i'll address you in a moment.

zvezda, there's nothing wrong with figo. he's world class but he's not the best in the world. not yet anyway.

kaneda, i respect your opinion and praise you for your kindness, but unfortunatly this is a futbol messageboard and its these differences in opinions, emotions and freedom of speech that the moderators here encourage. if you find it offensive you're out of luck because every board is the same.

italianboy, i know you resent figo as i do, but you have to be objective no matter how difficult it may be orelse people wont take you seriously. how can you say figo sucks ?

yacoob, oh yacoob. words cannot even express how disappointed i am with you. how can you believe portugal were cheated by france ? honestly, are you aware that you're NOT aloud to prevent the ball from going into the net with your GAWD DAMN HANDS if your not wearing the goaltender jersey ? so what's the problem then ? should FIFA have thrown the rule book out the window just because it happened to portugal ? i'd like to see how many portuguese sucks would've started screaming CONSPIRACY if the roles were reversed. and that nuno gomes punk should've been slapped witha 2 year sentence for his little temper tantrum and disrespect to the official ! PUNK !

oh and by the way we own portugal. historically, in 1994, last season in an exhibition match i know i'm forgetting many others ... we own them !

[Yacoob]

Oh...they surely can't overlook the rule just because it happened to Portugal. But I'm sure that they are prepared to do it for Maradona, and they are afraid of pissing off Raul and Real Madrid, so they have to throw the rule book out the window. But when it comes to Portugal...no, they won't. This is not fair. What if that happened to France? They will probably sue Fifa until they admit that France are above the rules.

[Severus]

if this and if that ! why are you speaking hypothetically ? the rules state that : if one touches the ball with his arm/hand in his penalty area, a penalty shot will be awarded to the adversaries. what part of this is still unclear ?

sure, the official may have a different variation of the rule and if he feels that the hand ball was unintentional, he'll usually let play continue. but xavier's hand ball surely was intentional and if you don't agree with me then its quite obvious you didn't watch the game.

here's an example of an unintentional handball :

italia - chile 1998 when roby baggio was awarded a PK for deliberatly shooting the ball directly at the hand of a chilean defender. that i'll admit should not have counted and i wouldn't have been upset if the ref looked the other way because roby, using all his cleverness to spare us from disgrace, intentionally kicked the ball right to his arm/hand. but if xavier doesn't stop the ball with his hand where is that ball gonna end up in ? figure it out then tell me if france didn't merit that PK. if you can't than you're just as moronic as those whining portuguese !

[Kaneda]

I agree with u 100% and i'm sure this game will make a lot
of discution material in the future. Anyway I'm portugese and I love my seleccao. This game against France was very hard to accept but football is like that and the champions always need a bit luck. In that case France was to huge and still is, so everyone has to accept it: They are world and european champions.....and we are nothing...till now.

But what I don't accept is that u say that we are whining portugese. I mean, there are a lot of portugese fans who don't accept this defeat against France as there are a lot of Italian friends of mine that don't accept the final's result. They say it was a stolen final....
Watch out your words cause we r not all whining portugese but
some of them like me are accepting the facts like they are - handplay is handplay -
and we are just looking forward to see more beautiful games like for the Euro.
Viva Portugal
Viva Italia (for Guiseppe)

[Severus]

the people who can't accept the PK are whiners. the people who can't accept our defeat to the hands of france are also whiners.

you and i, it seems are not whiners because we can honestly admit that our respective teams lost fair and square to the world and european champs. that's the difference.

you wouldn't happen to be from toronto would you kaneda ?

[Yacoob]

but if xavier doesn't stop the ball with his hand where is that ball gonna end up in ?

Outside. Just watch it again, it wasn't going in the net, it was going outside. If it wasn't for Xavier's stupid handball, we may have at least reached the PKs. Talking about EURO2000 and rules, I had at least two occasions when two French players deserved to be sent off but they didn't. One of them involve Zidane.

[Severus]

does it matter if it was going in or out ?

anyway, i can make excuses for my team losing to france in the finals also but do you hear me making them ?? no. because i can accept that we lost to one of the best teams in the world, despite the fact we outplayed them in every aspect of that match. you should follow suit because excuses are for losers !

[Mihajloviç]

I totally agree with you Yacoob, Portugal was cheated by France. The ball was not even going in , and it was shot right into the Portuguese players hand...what was he supposed to do, make his arm disappear ?!?! The French national team is a disgrace to soccer, in which 3/4 of their players aren't even French...and I also believe if it was a team from Eastern Europe that played France and the same situation happened, only the E.E. team would shoot a French player in the hand they wouldn't have called it.

This Euro was bullshit...and the World Cup in France was even worse !

[Kaneda]

No sorry...
I'm from Luxembourg (europe)

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mihajlovic
I totally agree with you Yacoob, Portugal was cheated by France. The ball was not even going in , and it was shot right into the Portuguese players hand...what was he supposed to do, make his arm disappear ?!?! The French national team is a disgrace to soccer, in which 3/4 of their players aren't even French...and I also believe if it was a team from Eastern Europe that played France and the same situation happened, only the E.E. team would shoot a French player in the hand they wouldn't have called it.

This Euro was bullshit...and the World Cup in France was even worse !

you seem to be another joker. he shot it at his hand ??? what was xavier's arm doing stretched out in the first place ?????

anyway, you seem to have lost me on the french bit. why are they a disgrace ? can you elaborate on that ridiculous claim if you're capable. or do you just repeat what other people say without backing 'em up with facts ? like most of the other meatheads on this board.

[Mihajloviç]

Okay ... let's get into facts then ...

Where is Zinedine Zidane from ?
Where is David Trezeguet from ?
Where is Christian Karambeu from ?
Where is Thierry Henry from ?
Where is Bixente Lizarazu from ?
Where is Lillian Thuram from ?
Where is (First name) Wiltord from ?

These aren't all the names of course, they were the ones I could remember ... I'm quite sure there are a couple more that arent' pure French.

[Mihajloviç]

Originally posted by Severus
you seem to be another joker. he shot it at his hand ??? what was xavier's arm doing stretched out in the first place ?????


Joker ? I thought you're the village idiot on here ? :eek: :ronaldo:

Anyway...what do you mean outstretched , where was he supposed to keep it ? When you play soccer do you keep your hands behind your back ? Didn't think so.

[Kaneda]

Fernando Couto will play the Worlc Cup.
He will be available for the 1st February 2002 against a fine
from 30000pounds.

[Yacoob]

Severus, you didn't expect Xavier to play with his hands in his pockets? Or as Mihajlovic said behind his back?

French players aren't French. Most of them are immigrants from other countries, and as I said, MOST OF THEM. Why are they keep calling them France NT anyway? They should change it to World NT ot something.

Does ot really matter if France were cheating with the help of UEFA ?(they ain't any better than Fifa, both of them are cheating, Fifa's ranking is absolute crap). For you, it doesn't matter, but for me, it does. Ever since the competition started, the referees were on both France's and Spain's side, let alone helping Holland against Italy.

[Mihajloviç]

Yacoob, World NT ? Don't think so ... should be called African Allstars ! I am not a racist, but everybody who is European should know that no man that is black is French, just like there are no black Serbians, black Germans, or black Italians, unless they come from Africa or in that matter a place which is populated with blacks, and receive a Serbian, German, or Italian citizenship. I guess Zidane is as much French as I am Canadian ... :)

Also ... it's true, I don't want to find lame excuses again for Yugoslavia's losses , but when we played against Spain there was 9 (!!!) minutes of overtime added where the Spanish managed to score 2 goals. As I said, I am not finding excuses, but in that game there was simply no justice, we have a player sent off, and then when we lead in the 90th minute, they add on 9 minutes of overtime and Spanish turn the game over with a 4:3.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mihajlovic
Okay ... let's get into facts then ...

Where is Zinedine Zidane from ?
Where is David Trezeguet from ?
Where is Christian Karambeu from ?
Where is Thierry Henry from ?
Where is Bixente Lizarazu from ?
Where is Lillian Thuram from ?
Where is (First name) Wiltord from ?

These aren't all the names of course, they were the ones I could remember ... I'm quite sure there are a couple more that arent' pure French.

zidane - marseilles FRANCE
trezeguet - rouen FRANCE
karembeu - new caledonia (FRENCH STATE)
henry - chatillon FRANCE
lizerazu - st jean de luz FRANCE
sylvain wiltord - neuilly sur mame, FRANCE
thuram - guadeloupe w.indies (FRENCH STATE)
vieira - senegal (FRENCH COLONY)

a handful of the negroids come from french territory outside of france but they're still french nonetheless. what's your point because its still unclear to myself.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mihajlovic
Yacoob, World NT ? Don't think so ... should be called African Allstars ! I am not a racist, but everybody who is European should know that no man that is black is French, just like there are no black Serbians, black Germans, or black Italians, unless they come from Africa or in that matter a place which is populated with blacks, and receive a Serbian, German, or Italian citizenship. I guess Zidane is as much French as I am Canadian ... :)

ahhh, so this is your racist misguided point. well then tell me something oh wise one, can blacks be american or brasilian or columbian ?

stupid eastern bloc mentality !

[Mihajloviç]

That's no racist point idiot, it's a fact...if anybody is racist here, then it is you. I recommend you do your research a little better, I did not ask where those people used to live , I asked for their nationality.

[Mihajloviç]

Originally posted by Severus
stupid eastern bloc mentality !

And what's that supposed to mean village idiot ?

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mihajlovic
That's no racist point idiot, it's a fact...if anybody is racist here, then it is you. I recommend you do your research a little better, I did not ask where those people used to live , I asked for their nationality.

FRENCH !!! even the ones that weren't born in france lived in a country for a short period of time which was either under french rule, or extremely influenced by france. they're called colonies in case your still stunned. i ask you again, what's your point ?

anyway, you still haven't answered my question so stop avoiding it ... can blacks be american ?

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mihajlovic


And what's that supposed to mean village idiot ?

you call me the village idiot but you're the one confused ?

<stupid eastern bloc mentality>

what part of this don't you understand ? do you know what the eastern bloc is ? do you even know what the capital of serbia is ??? go to school or for gawd sakes READ something rather than the comics. why do i get the suspicion that watching grass grow would be more interesting than battling wits with you ? do you have an answer ? HALLO !

[Mihajloviç]

Can blacks be American ? What kind of dumb question is that ? Almost 1/3 of America's population are blacks ... of course they can be black village idiot.

No, I don't know the capital of Serbia, why don't you tell me Einstein ? :)

And no, I have no idea what an Eastern bloc is ... mind sharing with us what it is ?

As I said, you have gained quite a reputation on this board village idiot. Keep it up, and you might not have a reputation at all anymore.
:fed-up:

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mihajlovic
Yacoob, World NT ? Don't think so ... should be called African Allstars ! I am not a racist, but everybody who is European should know that no man that is black is French,

then if blacks can be american why can't blacks be french as well ? is their a certain legislation that stipulates that africans could only be american ??? you're making absolutly no sense at all.

once again, what is your point ??

as for THE eastern bloc not AN eastern block, i made the statement - you're the one who's confused - so go research it then come back to me when you even have a clue about the politics of your own country because i'm tired of giving political science lectures to you children.

[ItalianBoy]

What happen herE!?
I think that the EURO was good. The WC98 kinda sucked, I mean I personally didnt feel it. The 94 was good, even if we lost.
in2002 ARG and ITA are the top 2 contenders to me.

[ItalianBoy]

I do have to say though that players like Desailly werent born IN france they just got the nationality since France had a lot of influence in those places.
So I mean I dont think its totally fair that France gets this players that werent BORN in France.
Like Henry is fine to me. Still I hope you guys get my point.
I mean its like if Ronaldo Rivaldo etc go with Portugal. In a world cup, where its NOT clubs, and thats the BIG difference, I think that players should be BORN in the country or at least have relatives FROM the country like me. Blacks are BORN in the USA thats why they are Americans and plsu its also hoe many generations a person has in A country.

[Garrincha]

But that's all very relative.
I think France isn't a case like the USA - where they keep giving citizenships till they build a team. I've seen a documentary on ESPN before WC '98 about a left-back who was from a french colony, didn't even speak english well (mainly french and his dialect) and who was given american citizenship just months before the Cup, and immediately called up to their NT - which had a problem at the left-back, imagine the coincidence! ;) I mean, this is just sad, and I really can't imagine what they were doing in the WC with this attitude.

I don't think it's the same with France. Zidane IS french, with influences from other places - like so many of us. If a black man goes to live in Italy, and stays there, and raises his children there, why isn't this man's son italian? Why is it impossible for a frenchman to be black, or for a black man to be french? This makes no sense whatsoever. Sorry, but it doesn't.

And the concept of "territory" is very vague here. Is it the country's own land? But countries expand and withdraw their borders, history is full of such things. The matter of which country one owes allegiance to is relevant, however. In many colonies, there is actual pride in being part of a greater country, as their culture is assimilated by the original culture and the people grow to identify with their colonizers. When that colony remains a territory of the other country, its citizens ARE also citizens of the "mother" country. That's the rationale used in Vieira and Thuram's case. They can choose either nationality. They chose the one that would enable them to play in Europe, so that's their nationality. That's the country they owe allegiance to, the one they'd defend in a war.

A person's allegiance to their country is a complicated thing; if you're born in, say, Belgium, but raised in Yugoslavia (one of the parents might be from there, for instance), you might choose which country to call your own.

One of Ireland's big problems seems to be that their population is divided between wanting independence and wanting to be part of the UK (I heard that In the Olympic games, the UK was one single squad, even when England, Scotland and Ireland played WCs separately - would that be cause for conflict?).

Did you know the frontier between the US and Canada isn't clearly defined, more an arbitrary convention than some clear point? I read that the other day, and thought it was interesting. If a child is born in that area, what's the child's nationality? ;)

[Severus]

don't bother explaining multiculturalism garrin to people who'll never understand it.

[ItalianBoy]

Sorry but this post is pretty much usless.
Thats what I said in the first place.
I dont have problems with black people beaing French. I dont think its fair, in the WC, where the whole point is to be from THAT country, that France for example calls up players from other countries as in BORN elsewhere. Zidane Henry they are fine with me. Plus I also said that it could be ok, if their parents would be from l;ets say france.
But most of them just got the FRA nationality so they wouldt be extracomunitarian.
Plus, The Us is 200 years old and there people from all over. France is been AGES that is there as a country TRUE FRA or GER or ITA people are NOT blacks. This is not racism is justice, its like if I call in the ITA team Ronaldo since he has an ITa passport. Not fair. I say this to all the countries same with Holland. Davids Kluivert Seedorf Reizeger etc. From Suriname, which USED to be a colony of Holland.
I got really pissed when 5 years ago Miss Italy was from Santo Domingo and she dark skinned.
NOT cuz I am racist but cuz she does not represent an ITA hot chick. its like a girl from Denmark becomes Miss China.
What!
I hope you get it.

[tigerTUFF]

So far Ive failed to see any portuguese whiners, just 2 pathetic Italians spinning it in a grand way.

doesnt surprise me one bit, typical Italian trait that

[ItalianBoy]

What the hell are you talking about?
this guy is weird.
Typical my ass. Get out of here if you are here to just argue and not talk soccer.

[Pedro]

...how malicious people here are towards Portugal. You know why? Because it means only one thing when French and Italians go out of there way to express themselves as they have here. They are scared. They see the quality of this Portuguese team and they are scared. In case you have not guessed, of course I am Portuguese and very proud of our team. I don't need to put down other teams because I support my own. But here is the situation approaching the World Cup - as I see it.

Yes we lost the Friendly against France, no excuses. The French are a great team with wonderful depth of talent. But I think that was a good thing in the long run for Portugal. We will learn from that game - which incidentally was not played by three of our best - Conceicao, Couto, Figo.

Our performance in Euro 2000 was great. Then, playing in the sem-final game against France Mr. Zidane was reduced to fouling Figo several times. Most media reports, even French ones, the following day made no bones about the fact that Portugal dominated the game. And don't you think any country would have gone insane over such a call as was made against Xavier in such an important game??? Of course we are going to be suspicious that it was because Portugal is a small country and cannot bring in as much money in viewership and ads as the big market teams. That's only natural.

Since then this team has improved dramatically in the only area they really needed to. Goal production. We are scoring lots of goals. Goals that will be flying past Toldo and Barthez. ;)

I hope everyone remains injury free, on all the teams so that they can play at full strength in June. Then we will see who is right! It will be a great thing to see, I'm looking forward to it and wish everyone the best, as long as they don't get in the way of our winning!

Forca Portugal -

[Garrincha]

Well, I can say that after Brazil, Portugal's the team I'll be supporting in the WC. But I think both teams still have a way to go before mounting the title challenge. Maybe one of them will get it in time for next year's Cup...

Hey, that's a match I can see happening even on a final. How's about it? Imagine it: Brazil x Portugal in the finals. Brazil would have beaten, lemmesee... South Africa, Spain and Argentina (yo, nice semifinal); Portugal would have vanquished Ukraine (yes, Ukraine will send Germany packing :evil: ), England and Italy. The finals would be a confrontation of the Cups' best players, Figo and Rivaldo. :rolling:

(Sorry, got carried away with my imagination there :bald: )

Can you imagine the winning goal? :ronaldo:

Ah...:star: :star: :star: :star: :star:

Can you imagine? :D

[ItalianBoy]

Full of imagination I see!
Pedrodude, Please, afraid? HAHAHA thats a good one. Portugal have got Figo, which is supposed to be good still I dont see all that greatness in him, Rui costa, I like him, And Conceicao I like him too. Who else? Nuno Gomes and Who? NoONE!
I think you should check others teams and see that they are WAY stronger than yours, Rooting for your team is good and no one will take that away from you. If you want to say that PORT has a chance at the WC2002 fine, but dont attack others team which are far superior in soccer from always. Later:D :D :D :D

[FANTA]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Portugal have got Figo, which is supposed to be good still I dont see all that greatness in him, Rui costa, I like him, And Conceicao I like him too. Who else? Nuno Gomes and Who? NoONE!

figo

rui costa

conceicao

nuno gomes

capucho

joao pinto

pauleta

paulo sousa

the list goes on ...

FORZA PORTUGAL :thumbsup:

[ItalianBoy]

Fanta, let me know if you like to have listed the Pakistani national soccer team ok!

[Severus]

Originally posted by Pedro
...how malicious people here are towards Portugal. You know why? Because it means only one thing when French and Italians go out of there way to express themselves as they have here. They are scared.

you go ahead thinking that if it makes ya feel any better but why would i be afraid of a team clearly inferior to us ? certainly you're midfield is one to be reckoned with but you lack defense, goalkeeping and depth upfront in the strikers department.

argentina is the only team we italians fear so don't kid yourself.

[FANTA]

it'd probably be against the law to play soccer in pakistan. or is it afghanistan ... something STAN anyway ... :rolleyes:

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by Severus
argentina is the only team we italians fear so don't kid yourself.

Really, Sev? Don't you think that's a bit too overconfident? I mean, the Azzurra can't manage to go through the French, and Brazil has already won two WCs before weeping Italian eyes...:rolleyes:

And let me clarify that I do not think Brazil is going far in the WC. We might, as we have all the talent a coach could ask for, but I don't know if we have enough TIME to build a WC-winning eleven. Who knows? We might make it - but France, Italy and Argentina are more well-prepared.

But when the time comes, and two teams are to face off in a knockout match... I simply do not believe you wouldn't be worried at the prospect of facing France or Brazil.

Only Argentina, Sev? You sure?

:star: :star: :star: :star:

[Pedro]

Severus and Italianboy, thanks for taking part in the discussion. But just the fact that you feel the need to address Portugal's chances is an indication of your concern.

If you tell me Portugal has a concern for the Goalkeeping position, OK, I'll listen. Quim and Ricardo are good but lack exposure to international play. Baia has been out of it to long to possibly get back in condition for June. In fact, if there is anything to say in defense of the players you have not mentioned, it is that they also might lack exposure in the best leagues. But they are of the same calibre as the best Italy can offer right now. On the other positions? C'mon. On defense we have Couto and Jorge Costa. Absolutely solid and tough. Stikers? We have two very good ones, Joao Pinto and Gomes. Joao Pinto especially is under rated because he plays in Portugal. He leads Sporting, but performs especially well when on the National team. I'm glad if Italians are unaware of that, it only means you will be caught all the more unaware. The only dangers to Portugal are injury - or if the players eat too much before the game ;) You will possibly admit we have that much in common with the Italians, but hey at least we don't put cheese on everything!

Just kidding boys, good luck - hope we meet you in the World Cup.

[ItalianBoy]

Its always lack of exposure. Even the Indians can say that since they play in India, they dont have much exposure.
But thats a personal opinion. To me the facts is what counts. If PORT really does well in the WC fine, but until now, only cuz you played ok in EURO dosent give you the ticket to the final of the WC.
and dont get me wrong. I dont think that Italy or ARG will for sure go to the final. I mean we lost like idiots against France. In the game of soccer you cant say who will win for sure.
you cant say that ITA or BRA have more chances given the players etc. But You can never know who will win. and thats why soccer is great, cuz everybody has a chance, otherwise what would be the point of playing against better teams.
So good luck to all the teams and VINCA IL MIGLIORE.:D

[Pedro]

No, I know it doesn't give us a ticket to the WC final, not even to the wc. I'm just saying my hopes of it are reasonable, not outside the realm of probability. When I say 'exposure' I mean to the most competitive leagues, which in my opinion are in Spain and Italy. I only brought it up as a way of illustrating one of the shortcomings Portugal has to deal with.

Now if you don't agree, vai manjar a mortadella pa.

[ItalianBoy]

I eat mortadella anyway. I didnt say that port cant play, I said that its kinda early and to me weird to say that Port, can compete with teams like ITA and ARG at this very moment. Thats all.

[Severus]

Originally posted by Garrincha


Really, Sev? Don't you think that's a bit too overconfident? I mean, the Azzurra can't manage to go through the French, and Brazil has already won two WCs before weeping Italian eyes...:rolleyes:

And let me clarify that I do not think Brazil is going far in the WC. We might, as we have all the talent a coach could ask for, but I don't know if we have enough TIME to build a WC-winning eleven. Who knows? We might make it - but France, Italy and Argentina are more well-prepared.

But when the time comes, and two teams are to face off in a knockout match... I simply do not believe you wouldn't be worried at the prospect of facing France or Brazil.

Only Argentina, Sev? You sure?

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yup. there's always that one team that you don't want to play garrin and that team is argentina for me. i respect france and brasil greatly, but crespo, lopez, veron, saviola, riquelme, kily, aimar and the rest concern me the most. and in the end, to win you most likely have to defeat 2 of the 4 (italia, argentina, france, brasil) to win anyway so regardless, confrontations against these futbol mega powers are inevitable. it just comes down to which teams you match up with better and we don't really match up well with argentina.