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[King Adriano]

Juve face Serie C threat

Tuesday 4 July, 2006

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Calciopoli prosecutor Stefano Palazzi has today called for Juventus to be relegated into Serie C1, as well as urging the sporting tribunal to condemn Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina to Serie B.

Palazzi made his formal requests at around midday where he pushed for all the clubs charged with sporting fraud to face stiff penalties.

As well as seeing Juve thrown into “a Division lower than Serie B”, Palazzi wants them to be stripped of their last two Serie A titles and start the new campaign with a six-point penalty.

He’s also asked for Lazio and Fiorentina to begin with a 15 point penalty in next season’s Second Division, where they could be joined by a Milan side who start on minus three points.

There are also now 25, and not 26, individuals on trial for sporting fraud – FIGC member Cosimo Maria Ferri was cleared of any wrongdoing last night – and Palazzi is pushing for lengthy bans and fines.

Former Juventus director general Luciano Moggi, the man at the centre of the scandal, could face a five-year ban from the game plus multiple fines of 5,000 Euros.

Palazzi has asked for the same length of punishment to be handed out to ex-Juve chief executive Antonio Giraudo, Lazio President Claudio Lotito, Milan official Leonardo Meani, plus Diego and Andrea Della Valle of Fiorentina.

Other notable individuals who may face similar consequences include former FIGC chief Franco Carraro, ex-refereeing designators Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto, and current referee Massimo De Santis.

Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani is facing the threat of a two-year stop, while promising referee Gianluca Paparesta could be sidelined for a year.

The trial began last Thursday but was adjourned until Monday even if nobody was questioned on its restart as the day was dominated by objections from defence lawyers.

All involved maintain their innocence.

The FIGC are hoping for a verdict, which may not be as stiff as Palazzi is pushing for, to be delivered by July 10.

[koko_juve]

I reckon that to much...Seria C1, three points,....what else ?
nice job king adriano but u should put this in Juve's section not here :)

[Sebastian]

....you all know what the prosecutor asked for these embaressment of a teams...:evil:....if everything goes as planned Juve will newer see the seria A...:lol:....seria C for Juve and B for all rest...that's even more than i wanted....:smoking:...we should celebrate...there's Justice after all....:cool:...

[King Adriano]

ok Koko i will but i do it here for all my Inter members friends 2 be on line with the lastest updates,this matter means a lot for Inter Milan 2.

[King Adriano]

plz elcino i made a section for the scandal updates so if we have 2 talk about anything realted 2 it lets talk about it there.
Scandal updates.

[Lance Knight]

well then inter will be king now if milan and juve go
the only threat might me Roma and Palermo

[King Adriano]

i dont think they can stop the dreams and the long time waiting of Inter even if Milan and Juve stay no one will stop us next season.

[Lance Knight]

i tell u guys u got to get rid of adriano he only pplays good ever game or so

[King Adriano]

i don't understand what ur sayin Lance but i can see that ur saying that Inter should get rid of Adriano.
Can u go ask Manchester UTD 2 get Rid of Rooney or ask Liverpool 2 get rid of Gerrrard or Arsenal 2 get rid of Henry????
No u can't this is the same with Adriano in Inter.We can't get rid of a player that didn't show all what he has.he had 2 great seasons with Inter and i dont we will let him go cause he wasn't in his best season,we must give him time 2 come back as the fact of the Imperatore that he is.and BTW Adriano is still 24 years old so we are not in a hurry.

[koko_juve]

ok man no problems :)

[GiorgioII]

Serie A will be a shit league with all of these sides missing:sad: .

[Lance Knight]

yea for true caus ethen most of those players might leave to other leagues

[Lance Knight]

lol i know he is the star boy just like raul in a sense, lol but well how it looks i say stick raul in midfield or sell his ass. but u got to admit adriano really hasnt been performing,

[Ryan27]

Nah, the Serie A will be much better off in the long run. Most of the players that leave will be older ones anyway. Plus different teams will get access to the Champions League (and uefa cup) revenue. So by the time Juve and any others relegated make their return to Serie A, the league will be stronger and more prosperous as a whole. At Inter we complain about the scudetti we lost because of the corruption, but think of how much money sides like Roma, Sampdoria, Parma, and Palermo lost by missing out on Europe and in getting inferior television deals.

[GiorgioII]

lol i know he is the star boy just like raul in a sense, lol but well how it looks i say stick raul in midfield or sell his ass. but u got to admit adriano really hasnt been performing,

Yes, I see what you are saying, but it is impossible to forget that in 2004 Adriano was the best striker in the world, and I don't think anyone who saw him regularly could possibly question that. He was brilliant. Something has changed since then and I think it is Inter's responsibility to find out what has changed and to resolve it. We cannot repeat the mistakes we made with Carlos and Pirlo to name but two.

[King Adriano]

Juventus 'accept Serie B'

Wednesday 5 July, 2006

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Juventus’ lawyer told the Calciopoli trial that the best punishment for the club would be Serie B rather than a drop down to the Third Division.

“Demotion to Serie B with docked points would be a congruous punishment,” Cesare Zaccone claimed in court this evening.


Yesterday prosecutor Stefano Palazzi requested the Bianconeri go down to “a Division lower than Serie B” with a six-point penalty for their part in the match-fixing allegations. He also asked for Lazio and Fiorentina to begin with a 15 point penalty in Serie B, where they’d be joined by Milan on minus three points.


Director general Luciano Moggi is at the centre of the scandal after his telephone conversations were wiretapped, allegedly attempting to influence the referees assigned to their matches.


“You can’t talk about direct responsibility for Juventus, as Moggi has never been a legal representative of the club,” added the lawyer today. “I also believe that Antonio Giraudo should only be considered indirectly responsible for any wrong-doing. The only issue here is the seriousness of the facts, which in my view should be largely re-evaluated.”


The Turin giants are attempting to distance themselves from Moggi, who has already resigned from his post, and rescue the situation as best they can.


“The sanction requested by the prosecutor would devalue the squad by 80 per cent. As the trial continues, 79 per cent of the club’s income is in danger. Juventus do not have a single benefactor behind the side willing to invest money.”


Much has been made in the run-up to the trial of the so-called ‘Moggi system’, but lawyer Zaccone attempted to spread the blame.


“There were at least five different systems going on in football. One was created in Genoa, another in Florence, then in Rome which included leading figures in the Federation and another system working in Milan. All of them were opposed and conflicting. This is all that’s needed to explain why the idea of a Mafia-like total system involving everyone is impossible.”


Lazio President Claudio Lotito and Fiorentina patron Diego Della Valle also spoke at the trial today. Both insisted they were “victims of the system” rather than orchestrators and that they had never requested favours from referees.


Former FIGC President Franco Carraro spoke out this morning. “The accusation of sporting fraud levelled at me is humiliating and vile. I acted in good faith and have never cheated anyone. If the facts are confirmed, then something very serious happened in the 2004-05 season.”

[King Adriano]

i dont agree with u ryan.
just look man at Lazio and Fiorentina they updated their squad with big names untill now and payed a lot 2 do so and a team like Fiorentina may never get the oportunity 2 play CL for a long time if they get relegated and even Lazio this team suffered a lot since 2001.
Italy is about 2 be crowned as World Champions and the Serie A will be the place 2 catch these stars next year and how will it be if the Serie A without 4 big names like Juventus, Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina.
I say ok send Juve 2 Serie B and give other punishments 2 the 3 other teams.

[King Adriano]

exactly Giorgio now u gave the ideal answer.

[Lance Knight]

perhaps he needs a good strikering partner. Martins is alright but to me they dont seem to really link up that much

[MarieL]

I wouldn't celebrate yet if I were you. This is Juve we're talking about. Serie C1 seems too much like a dream... I can handle going down to B if Juve goes to C though. But starting with -15 points... that would suck.

[Lance Knight]

so its offical then?

[Lance Knight]

yea thats like 5 games
but they shouldnt have that much trouble

[King Adriano]

starting - 15 means that u will probablt get relegated automatically the next season.

[King Adriano]

i dunno yet
but the last words and the decisions will be taken on Jult 10th.

[Ryan27]

Nothing is official yet, nor will it be for a while. The prosecutor only declared his objectives. We all know that doesn't necessarily mean it'll turn out the way he hopes.

king adriano, it is almost as if you're saying the Serie A is better off by not punishing clubs that cheat. That is just silly. Or maybe you think they should just be lightly tapped on the wrists, so as to just pretend to punish them. We might as well encourage clubs to cheat while we're at it. I wouldn't worry about the 30 year old players that might go abroad if certain teams are relegated. If anything Serie A will lose far more players if they think the league is fraudulent. Things HAVE to change; before the scandal Serie A was slowly losing out on talent to England and Spain. The best way to entice foreign players is to have a clean league.

And why would it take a long time for Fiorentina to get back? It only took them a few years to go from Serie C2 to 4th place this past season. I don't think coming back from Serie B would be too much of an obstacle, but it would be enough to make them think twice before bending the rules again. All that being said though, I will await the verdict like everyone else. If Fiorentina and Lazio or whomever are found not guilty, then I don't think they should be relegated. But if they are guilty, there is no other alternative.

And the Serie A is always without big sides. Napoli, Verona, Genoa, etc etc. I think the league would survive just fine without Milan for a year (if they're guilty). And come on...you think if Italy wins the World Cup, that means everyone wants to play in Serie A? It doesn't work that way. Spain has never won the World Cup and yet players from all over would happily play there. France won it in 98, did you see the best foreign superstars flocking to France after that?

[Ryan27]

Yes, I see what you are saying, but it is impossible to forget that in 2004 Adriano was the best striker in the world, and I don't think anyone who saw him regularly could possibly question that. He was brilliant. Something has changed since then and I think it is Inter's responsibility to find out what has changed and to resolve it. We cannot repeat the mistakes we made with Carlos and Pirlo to name but two.
:thumbsup: agreed agreed agreed agreed agreed........

[koko_juve]

Nah, the Serie A will be much better off in the long run. Most of the players that leave will be older ones anyway. Plus different teams will get access to the Champions League (and uefa cup) revenue. So by the time Juve and any others relegated make their return to Serie A, the league will be stronger and more prosperous as a whole. At Inter we complain about the scudetti we lost because of the corruption, but think of how much money sides like Roma, Sampdoria, Parma, and Palermo lost by missing out on Europe and in getting inferior television deals.

hahaha.....From this all i can see is that Ryan27 says that for Roma, Smapdoria etc. to play in Champions League or whatevrer in Europe teams like Juve, Inter, Milan , Lazio should be send in Seria B or C.....And im saying Seria A will became from one of the strongest in Europe one of the weakest..As everyone can see in past couple of years everything what happened in Seria A was Juve, Milan or Inter's job.....

[GiorgioII]

perhaps he needs a good strikering partner. Martins is alright but to me they dont seem to really link up that much

Yes. A partner for Adriano would be good. But then again so would having him up front on his own in a 4-2-3-1. I think he prefers that system.

[GiorgioII]

hahaha.....From this all i can see is that Ryan27 says that for Roma, Smapdoria etc. to play in Champions League or whatevrer in Europe teams like Juve, Inter, Milan , Lazio should be send in Seria B or C.....And im saying Seria A will became from one of the strongest in Europe one of the weakest..As everyone can see in past couple of years everything what happened in Seria A was Juve, Milan or Inter's job.....

You're mistaken there. Inter will stay in Serie A, the only Italian club to never be relegated, because we haven't cheated:) .

[King Adriano]

yes Giorgio clean Inter will be in Serie A forever.
Ryan i'm not saying that we shall not punish him but Italy will be a place 2 watch next seasons for all the World if they take the World Cup but if we relegate Juve,Milan,Lazio nd Fiorentina they will just leave a big Mark in the Serie A and look Ryan the best punishment and that will affect more teams like lazio and Viola is money punishments for Juve i dont think that they should be send 2 Serie C1 and that Serie B is quiet enough.i mean look at them man if they go 2 Serie B they already lost Capello and will lose most of their players like Ibrahimovic,Buffon and Zambrotta with Emerson 2.
Milan will probably be weak if Kaka also leave so money punishment will work against them 2.
look ryan i'm just giving my point of view and u will see that it will probabaly be taken than relegating all of them.we are here 2 discuss man ;)

[King Adriano]

i agree on ur formation Giorgio but at least for next year we need 4-4-2

[Lance Knight]

but having adriano up front alone up would need a great attacking midfield player, look like how barca has Ronaldinho and Milan has Kaka

[Ryan27]

hahaha.....From this all i can see is that Ryan27 says that for Roma, Smapdoria etc. to play in Champions League or whatevrer in Europe teams like Juve, Inter, Milan , Lazio should be send in Seria B or C
That is probably because you didn't actually read what I wrote :). I was just explaining to Giorgio why I thought the Serie A could survive the temporary absence of Juve and any other club found guilty. AND I think I stated clearly enough that I'll await the verdict like everyone else. If they are found innocent, then they shouldn't be relegated. If they are guilty, then it is best for the Serie A that they are punished sufficiently. Plus you have to think of it from a long term perspective. The thing that would make the Serie A weakest is if guilty clubs are not punished.

And I've no idea why you're throwing Inter into this. They're not under trial. However, if in a fictional scenario Inter were proven to have done something wrong, I would still agree that they should be punished for the integrity of sport.

[Ryan27]

look ryan i'm just giving my point of view and u will see that it will probabaly be taken than relegating all of them.we are here 2 discuss man ;)
You don't have to explain that to me king adriano :). I'm not so dumb that I don't understand that.

Really though...how do you know what the best punishments are? We don't even know for sure who did what exactly (except maybe Juve). The whole point of a trial is that we wait and see what the details are and then we decide on the appropriate punishment. You don't decide the punishment before the trial based off your own interests. That is the prosecutor's job ;).

[GiorgioII]

but having adriano up front alone up would need a great attacking midfield player, look like how barca has Ronaldinho and Milan has Kaka

Yea. I'm hoping Inter will sign Riquelme. And you should mean Kaka of Madrid not Milan, right?:lol:

[Lance Knight]

lol hopefully, then for sure barca vs real would be the ultimate match up

[koko_juve]

That is probably because you didn't actually read what I wrote :). I was just explaining to Giorgio why I thought the Serie A could survive the temporary absence of Juve and any other club found guilty. AND I think I stated clearly enough that I'll await the verdict like everyone else. If they are found innocent, then they shouldn't be relegated. If they are guilty, then it is best for the Serie A that they are punished sufficiently. Plus you have to think of it from a long term perspective. The thing that would make the Serie A weakest is if guilty clubs are not punished.

And I've no idea why you're throwing Inter into this. They're not under trial. However, if in a fictional scenario Inter were proven to have done something wrong, I would still agree that they should be punished for the integrity of sport.

wait wait wait...dont get me wrong ok...when i said Juve Milan or Inter i meant on way for won Chempion Titles in Seria A or Italian Cup...or games in Champions League.we all know that these team every year are playing important role in Champions League...i didnt said that Inter is in this scandal as well.. About the Seria A its deffinetly that will loose her respect...

[King Adriano]

You don't have to explain that to me king adriano :). I'm not so dumb that I don't understand that.

Really though...how do you know what the best punishments are? We don't even know for sure who did what exactly (except maybe Juve). The whole point of a trial is that we wait and see what the details are and then we decide on the appropriate punishment. You don't decide the punishment before the trial based off your own interests. That is the prosecutor's job ;).
Ryan i think that we know that the 4 teams are Guilty and they have the evidences cause they couldn't accuse them with no sure evidences and the trial will just take place 2 decide the punishments and that's it.

[nerazzuri]

i knew it, its impossible for a team to be dominant for soooo long. eversince i started following serie a i knew juve were kissing someones ass to be loved by the refs this much. i remember wen capello was talking to the ref covering their mouth with their hand

p.s. i wonder wot sev's reactions r now

[King Adriano]

i knew it, its impossible for a team to be dominant for soooo long. eversince i started following serie a i knew juve were kissing someones ass to be loved by the refs this much. i remember wen capello was talking to the ref covering their mouth with their hand

p.s. i wonder wot sev's reactions r now
Juve was kissing no one's ASS actually The whole Serie A was Kissing Juve's ASS,refs,small teams and Federation.

[Sebastian]

...and they were not just kissing their asses but they were Sucking their woodpeckers too...

[nerazzuri]

juve r defernatly relegated, if milan r too then we're pretty much by ourselves in the league and if we dont win this season then i dont know wtf is wrong

[koko_juve]

i agree with you my friend....If Inter dont wit this year i dunno wtf is wrong because Inter only can win when Juve isnt there.......HAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[Sebastian]

...Juve's fai is sealed...as Gazzeta dello sport reported....that Juve,Fiorentina and Lazio will be relegated tos eria B while Milan will be stripped out of Champions league place....a vicory for Inter....:evil:...the greatest satisfaction imaginabile...even 10 times bigger than Inter winning the scudetto and champions league in one season...

[nerazzuri]

i agree with you my friend....If Inter dont wit this year i dunno wtf is wrong because Inter only can win when Juve isnt there.......HAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:
thats cos theres no ref to ***k us up the ass

[King Adriano]

Finally the day came and it is officialy announced.

Trio relegated, Milan survive

Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina have been demoted to Serie A for their involvement in the Calciopoli scandal, but Milan have survived the drop.

The eagerly anticipated match-fixing verdicts were finally delivered this evening after seven days of deliberation by the CAF court.

Juventus have been stripped of their last two Serie A titles, sent down to Serie B and will start the new campaign with a 30 point deduction.

Lazio and Fiorentina have also been stripped of their Serie A status and will start with minus seven and minus 12 points respectively.

Milan have kept their place in Serie A but have been deducted 44 points from last season’s tally which means they will not be allowed to enter the Champions League.

The Rossoneri will also start the 2006-07 campaign with a 15 point deduction in the First Division.

Although this evening’s verdicts are strict, they are lighter than the ones called for by the FIGC prosecution team.

Stefano Palazzi had called for Juventus, at the centre of the scandal, to be relegated to a Division “lower than Serie B” and deducted six points.

He also urged the court to relegate the three other teams to Serie B with a 15-point deduction for Fiorentina and Lazio, but declared that Milan should only be docked three points.

All the teams involved do have the right to appeal.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul14l.html

[Ryan27]

Well now Inter don't have to worry about those preliminary qualifyers for the Champions League ;). I hope Palermo and Chievo do well in those. And I read that Messina, Lecce, and Treviso are no longer relegated.

Anyway, I think some of those point deductions might be reduced in the appeals. But it's good to see some justice carried out.

[nerazzuri]

if juve's win last season is discounted and milans 44pts deducted from last season then does that mean we win last season?

[koko_juve]

hahahaha....i cant belive what im reading. Inter fans are happy because they will have last years title..

of course they will be. If juve and milan wasnt relegated or fined we all know that Inter wont win championship title for so so so so long......WE ALL KNOW THAT....THATS THE TRUTH AND FACT

[nerazzuri]

we coundnt win anything cos the ref was sucking juve and milan's rod... the innocent clubs couldn't get a fair share... jeez clean ur dirty hands and realise that the ref helped u out for god knows how long WAKE UP IDIOT!!!... proud to be a juve supporter?!?! yeah, if u belong with the dirty scum

[koko_juve]

we coundnt win anything cos the ref was sucking juve and milan's rod... the innocent clubs couldn't get a fair share... jeez clean ur dirty hands and realise that the ref helped u out for god knows how long WAKE UP IDIOT!!!... proud to be a juve supporter?!?! yeah, if u belong with the dirty scum

tell me how the FUK refs can make up Juventus to win 29 scudetos....Thats imposible.Ye and because of refs. we have 6 players in Italian national team WTF IS WRONG WITH THE ****S..Inter even cant be sampdoria udinese and teams like that....Ye and im proud to be supporter to the bigggest team in Italia and ill always be.....We wil see this year how inter will do. If they dont win this year again will be refs. fault.....

[Sebastian]

tell me how the FUK refs can make up Juventus to win 29 scudetos....Thats imposible.Ye and because of refs. we have 6 players in Italian national team WTF IS WRONG WITH THE ****S..Inter even cant be sampdoria udinese and teams like that....Ye and im proud to be supporter to the bigggest team in Italia and ill always be.....We wil see this year how inter will do. If they dont win this year again will be refs. fault.....

...you are as clueless as any other Juventino...the referees didnt make 27 (there's not 29)Agnelli and Moggi did...the fact that you have 6 players in the national team doesnt mean a damn thing...Grosso andf MAterazzi were the most decisive Italy players...ofcourse you're proud to be a Juventus fan...the biggest cheater in seria A who finaly got what they deserved...AND IM PROUD TO SEE JUVE BREAKING HIS BALLS IN SERIA B...they wil stay there 2 years minimum...yeah go ahead play the sore loser"im proud to be supporter of the biggest team"that "biggest team"in Italy wont know where it's head is for years...after all the star players depart from the old Slut then there's the sponsor departure...but the biggest problems will apear when Juve climbs in seria A...building a world class team takes tme....even teams like Real,Barca and Chelsea werent build for one season...JUVENTUS IS THE BIGGEST LOSER IN SERIA A...and i couldnt be happier even if Inter won the champions league and the scudetto in one season...that will just happen and then everything will be as it was...but this....to see all of you,the Juventus fans with youre faces like pissed pussies...that's something that canot be matched...that's th e ultimate prize and satisfaction for the rival fans to see their most hatted team RELEGATED for two seasons in seria B...:evil:...that is almost as cool as Sex....i dont know where that idiot Severus is...but i would like to see his face in the Photo album right now...i would love to see him....:evil:...everything he said is now worthless and he can take all of his post and put them in his ass...i had doubts for a moment that Juve will be relegated...but now...i am happier than ever...and dont say that Were happy becouse Juve has crushed in seria B and Milan is punished severely,only in tha way we can be champions...dont say that becouse you sound as an idiot...i dont give a shit if Inter wins the Title next season which they will...all i ever wanted is to see JUVENTUS in seria B...i fantasied about that....just take a look at who is the only team that was newer relegated and you'll get the picture...pathetic loser...:evil:...there's no more derby'd italia...:lol:...when Juve climbs to seria A every team fans will hold huge banners...."WELCOME IN SERIA A"and that will go on for a long...long time....:evil:....

[nerazzuri]

tell me how the FUK refs can make up Juventus to win 29 scudetos....Thats imposible.Ye and because of refs. we have 6 players in Italian national team WTF IS WRONG WITH THE ****S..Inter even cant be sampdoria udinese and teams like that....Ye and im proud to be supporter to the bigggest team in Italia and ill always be.....We wil see this year how inter will do. If they dont win this year again will be refs. fault.....
dont u get it?!?! u ***kin cheated

[materazziIZbad]

How can anyone be defending Juve right now? They cheated and they can complain all they want in the Serie B. Are the players from the teams that are punished free to be signed elsewhere now?

O yea and best players for the Italians were Cannavaro and Pirlo who played amazing in every match, not Grosso and Materazzi.

Thanks for the Champions League bid Juve
Love, Roma

[koko_juve]

first thing im not trying to defend Juve...they cheated thay are punished now..NO QUESITONS ASKED...no matter how much the truth hurts they deserved it.. Im just tring to explain to our friends from inter forum that they can only be champions in situation like this...all teams in seria B ... every single player injured in Roma.... If juve was cheating for every title of his 29 why they didnt took all of them .... THAT WAS MADE WITH HARD WORK ...
i look forward for next season just to see if inter will win..if they wont they are nothing else JUST BUNCH OF LOOSERS..

[nerazzuri]

no one knows how long juve have been cheating thats y they only stripped 2 titles... hard work?!?! yeah, negotiating the price of the hooker to ***k the ref. and how can we win in situations like this when the season hasnt even started:rolleyes: mind u in previous situation the ref was on ur side so dont say u deserve it

[koko_juve]

we will see my friends next year what inter will do.... If they wont win next year then ..... I DUNNO WHATS WRONG.... then maybe you will look for every team to be relegated from seria a so us can try to win on that way :)

[MarieL]

Congrats to Inter for winning the scudetto! Finally...

[ilcapitano]

I'm not that happy about the whole situation. Of course the judgements have been correct. Still, I wish Inter would win the scudetto by competing against the best - and that means beating Juve and Milan. For me, that's the only win that would have a real significance.
And these latest two seasons - they should announce that there is no winner. Even if Inter didn't cheat, I'm not sure that we deserve to be announced as winners.

[GiorgioII]

I'm not that happy about the whole situation. Of course the judgements have been correct. Still, I wish Inter would win the scudetto by competing against the best - and that means beating Juve and Milan. For me, that's the only win that would have a real significance.
And these latest two seasons - they should announce that there is no winner. Even if Inter didn't cheat, I'm not sure that we deserve to be announced as winners.

I felt the same way as you. But Milan are still in Serie A and Roma are strong opponents. Palermo will also be strengthened by the news. It must also be remembered that we may well have won at least two more scudettos if it wasn't for the cheating that was so blatantly going on around us.

[koko_juve]

I'm not that happy about the whole situation. Of course the judgements have been correct. Still, I wish Inter would win the scudetto by competing against the best - and that means beating Juve and Milan. For me, that's the only win that would have a real significance.
And these latest two seasons - they should announce that there is no winner. Even if Inter didn't cheat, I'm not sure that we deserve to be announced as winners.

GOOD ONE ILCAPITANO....IM TRYING TO TELL TO UR FRIENDS THIS ALL THE TIME BUT THEY ARE TO EXCITED WITH CELEBRATING THEIR CHAMPIONS TITLE ...

[Sebastian]

...Inter isnt a crowned Champion...the Scudettos that are revoked will be given to no one...i doubt that the last scudetto will be given to Inter although i would love that to9 happen...and dont say that Inter didnt deserved the scudetto...that we should have won it on the pitch....we deserved lot more than 1 scudetto so dont say those stuff...if you dont think that Inter doesnt deserve the last scudetto when there was evident match fixing when Milan and aspecially Juve played...then i dont know what the hell are you chearing Inter...:confused:...the '97 scudetto was stripped out by a cheating Juventus everyone knows that...

[Sebastian]

GOOD ONE ILCAPITANO....IM TRYING TO TELL TO UR FRIENDS THIS ALL THE TIME BUT THEY ARE TO EXCITED WITH CELEBRATING THEIR CHAMPIONS TITLE ...

...dude...whay are you bothering to explain us something...i personaly im sick of you're pathetic bull shit...there's nothing that you can explain and tell to us...you're just jealous that Inter can be rewarded with a revoked scudetto from Juve's dont deny that...it's simple psichology...just cut the crap...:rolleyes:...

[King Adriano]

common Koko admitt that Juve's time is over and now it's INTERNAZIONALE time and it will stay for a long time.
we have 2 take revenge of every year we lost in,17 years we were stolen and stipped of titles we spend millions and millions in upgradin the team while other teams like Juve was spendin 2 win titles illegaly.

[ilcapitano]

...and dont say that Inter didnt deserved the scudetto...that we should have won it on the pitch....we deserved lot more than 1 scudetto so dont say those stuff...if you dont think that Inter doesnt deserve the last scudetto when there was evident match fixing when Milan and aspecially Juve played...then i dont know what the hell are you chearing Inter...:confused:...

I think Inter has had chances to win the scudetto. For example in 2002 we lost because the team couldn't keep its cool against Lazio in the final match. I realize that Juventus and Milan have cheated on their way to success. But that isn't the whole story. Watching the games last season, I felt that Inter simply didn't deserve to win.
And this is the point: I want Inter to win the scudetto the hard way. The real way. Which means beating Juventus and Milan.

And I don't understand how admitting this would make me any less Inter fan.

[King Adriano]

I think Inter has had chances to win the scudetto. For example in 2002 we lost because the team couldn't keep its cool against Lazio in the final match. I realize that Juventus and Milan have cheated on their way to success. But that isn't the whole story. Watching the games last season, I felt that Inter simply didn't deserve to win.
And this is the point: I want Inter to win the scudetto the hard way. The real way. Which means beating Juventus and Milan.

And I don't understand how admitting this would make me any less Inter fan.
ilcapitano i always want Inter 2 win the hard way as u say but how can we do it with some cheating from the other big clubs???

[ilcapitano]

Well like I said, we almost did. In 2002 we didn't lose because of cheating. And when Inter has lost to Milan in CL, that wasn't because the refs were bad.
The biggest problem for Inter in not winning has been on the mental side, and I think we should remember that. It's not ALL about corruption and Moggi and Berlusconi.

[koko_juve]

...dude...whay are you bothering to explain us something...i personaly im sick of you're pathetic bull shit...there's nothing that you can explain and tell to us...you're just jealous that Inter can be rewarded with a revoked scudetto from Juve's dont deny that...it's simple psichology...just cut the crap...:rolleyes:...

im bothering because you are trying to make inter now the champions like they are the best....WTF... we kicked ur A** last season twice and what ull say now that was refs. fault..WTF...come on man..look at the reality.look at the history and there u will see whos the best team in italy..im not trying to defend Juve with saying that they aren't guilty......we all know that thats true King adriano.. Ur friends last season when inter was loosing they were all against Inter against Mancini, Adriano etc. now out of nowhere we are the champions the best team this that..... THATS WRONG...THATS NOT REAL INTER FAN

[King Adriano]

im bothering because you are trying to make inter now the champions like they are the best....WTF... we kicked ur A** last season twice and what ull say now that was refs. fault..WTF...come on man..look at the reality.look at the history and there u will see whos the best team in italy..im not trying to defend Juve with saying that they aren't guilty......we all know that thats true King adriano.. Ur friends last season when inter was loosing they were all against Inter against Mancini, Adriano etc. now out of nowhere we are the champions the best team this that..... THATS WRONG...THATS NOT REAL INTER FAN
Calm down Koko i know that ur pissed but we as Inter Fanz can't believe that we will be Champs again after all this time,no one dent that in history Juve is the best in Italy but we don't know the truth of this lead is it fair and clean or it is like these past years.
Inter deserve 2 be in a higher level than we are now,i hate that in Europe Inter now isn't mentioned as one of the favourites 2 win CL cause they dont succeed in Italy and this suck cause Inter is better than a lot of teams that gain respect in CL now and look KOKO one thing always make me sure that there is something wrong with Juve's history and it is if Juve is the 29 Italy champions how come they only been crowned 2 times EUFA CL champs.
when u take a look in the dominant teams in Europe u find that they have a lot of success like Real Madrid and Bayern Munchen.
This put a big question mark around Juve's history.

[koko_juve]

come on man...how can u even think that Juve can win 29 titles with cheating....Thats impossible man..

[King Adriano]

i didn't say 29 but look there is a rule that say who can steal once steal forever and who steal once is a thief and who steal forever is a thief 2.
So if Juve is sure 2 cheat once u can't say which time they cheated.so they will be suspected of cheating in everything,this isn't my idea but this is what will ppl think about them.

[nerazzuri]

dont ***king say we should win the hard way, wot the hell do u think we've been trying to do for the past 17yrs. every season we do struggle on the pitch but that doesn't mean we dont deserve to win. every big club is going through a difficult phase e.g. real madrid, man utd. and for juve not struggle in their entire histroy is the biggest horse shit ever. the dominant clubs in other leagues r going down and there r the rise of new ones. inter the sleeping giants?!?! yeah right, we were already awake but guess who nailed our balls to the ground

koko, dont ***king say look at the history and there u will see whos the best team in italy because u still dont get it dont u? no one knows how long juve hav been fixing they could've started in the 60's 70's 80's and the scudetto's they've won till now should've been stripped

[koko_juve]

dont ***king say we should win the hard way, wot the hell do u think we've been trying to do for the past 17yrs. every season we do struggle on the pitch but that doesn't mean we dont deserve to win. every big club is going through a difficult phase etc. real madrid, man utd. and for juve not struggle in their entire histroy is the biggest horse shit ever. the dominant clubs in other leagues r going down and there r the rise of new ones. inter the sleeping giants?!?! yeah right, we were already awake but guess who nailed our balls to the ground

koko, dont ***king say look at the history and there u will see whos the best team in italy because u still dont get it dont u? no one knows how long juve hav been fixing they could've started in the 60's 70's 80's and the scudetto's they've won till now should've been stripped

are you ***ken dumb or what....... if its like ur saying why then they didnt take all Juve's titles...

[nerazzuri]

***king read it dickhead... because no one knows how long juve have been match fixing. if u dont understand that i'll recommend u a site its www.dictionary.com

[syntex777]

For example, 97-98 scudetto, the clear foul on ronaldo in the juve inter match ... its quite obvious the referee was bought ...

[nerazzuri]

here's proof http://www.soccerclips.net/compilations2.php?page=1&q=juve&cond=player

[King Adriano]

Viola fans hold protest Tuesday

18 July, 2006

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Fiorentina fans caused chaos to Italy’s railway system on Monday night as they protested against the club’s demotion to Serie B for match-fixing.

The supporters caused hours of delays after blocking one of the peninsula’s busiest sections of track, bringing a host of trains to a halt.

Around 400 fans congregated at the Campo Di Marte station in Florence which caused mass disruptions to the main Milan-Rome line.

On the same evening, another group of incensed fans – thought to be around 4,000 – arrived at the Italian Football Federation’s Coverciano training base in the city to protest.

The CAF court of the FIGC relegated Fiorentina, Lazio and Juventus to Serie B on Friday for sporting fraud.

Milan, also implicated in the case, survived the drop but were thrown out of the Champions League and will start next season with a 15-point deduction.

[Sebastian]

im bothering because you are trying to make inter now the champions like they are the best....WTF... we kicked ur A** last season twice and what ull say now that was refs. fault..WTF...come on man..look at the reality.look at the history and there u will see whos the best team in italy..im not trying to defend Juve with saying that they aren't guilty......we all know that thats true King adriano.. Ur friends last season when inter was loosing they were all against Inter against Mancini, Adriano etc. now out of nowhere we are the champions the best team this that..... THATS WRONG...THATS NOT REAL INTER FAN

...i dont even indent to continue the conversation with you...Juve's desintegration has made you to cry you're ass off...you're pissed,frustrated as hell and now i should polemise with you whether Juve did or didnt cheated in the past????...only an idiot and a Juventino(which is the same) thinks that Juve didnt cheated in the past...Juve won twice last season with their 12 player the referee...there wasnt a free kick in the first match and the secong goal was an offside...and as for the second i dont even want to speak...Mancini is a ridiculous coach...everyone stands on that opinion as before...against Villareal Moggi had nothing to do with that...and what's up with Adriano...he sucked in Inter...couldnt wait to play and rejuvenate him self in Brazilian jersey...and he sucked there even more than in Inter...and who said that Inter is the best team....look pal...you are really a pathetic...you're whole world crushed down when you heard that Juve is relegated and now you're busting our balls...it's not our fault...you're trying to point something for which no one gives a damn...that Juve isnt a cheater or that Italian football will lose of it's splendour...Milan and Inter are still here and it will be ten times better without the old bitch...you are as jeaous as a dog dude...:evil:...i cant tell you how enjoying for me is watching juve's fans puke all over the forum...:lol:...for years i've listened to juventino's arrogant comments and bullshit...insulting and degrading as with no reason...now you just make you're self look even more pathetic,by trying to prove something that the whole world knows...yeah...puke as long as you want...i enjoy it watching you like that...cos you deserve it...there wasnt more arrogant fans in the whole world...and now all you can do is eat you're finger nails:D...

[Sebastian]

Well like I said, we almost did. In 2002 we didn't lose because of cheating. And when Inter has lost to Milan in CL, that wasn't because the refs were bad.
The biggest problem for Inter in not winning has been on the mental side, and I think we should remember that. It's not ALL about corruption and Moggi and Berlusconi.


...did you forget the match against Chievo where an obvious penalty wasnt given to Ronaldo???or against Venezia when they equalised from an obvious offside???...i remember that season vividly...a part of the fixing matches is to ruin you're oponents...and with the referees under Moggi'shat everything's possibe...and you cant win....didnt you had that weird feeling that the referees are always against Inter no matter the oponent???and beside the fact that's a big club????Mental side you say????:lol:...it's easy for you to have a winning mentality when you know wthat what ever you do the referee will whistle a penalty in the last minutes of the match...wasnt that the scenario when Juventus is concerned???or in '98 Milan won the scudetto with Guly...Birhoff...Ambrosini and Helweg plus a whole bunch of shit heads...when they were 10 points bihind Lazio in the half season???it waS A Duopol in serai A...Lazio and Roma won a scudetto from the south...they've let them to win without fixing matches so that Fifa wont suspect and then it was the same old story...the two Giants from the North...and who gives a damn about the third Giant from the north...what Mentality are you talking about...Inter always new this...even Figo in his first season said that this whole championshit is fixed...and what about the players who played here for years...Mentality my ass...im not questio0ning you're love for Inter...i dont care about that...im amazed how can you be against a scudetto that belongs to Inter...when everyone else have been punished for cheating...why shouldnt Inter be rewarded with a scudetto for it's honesty and innocence????:confused:...i dont get you...i really dont...in other sports like in Athletics or in the olympic games if the firts one is banned or disqalified the secong autoimaticly gets the gold...it's simple...im amazed with crap like:INTER SHOULD WON THAT ON THE FIELD...THIS JUST ISNT THAT"....it pisses me off...it's ridiculous...

[King Adriano]

Calm down elcino man ur so nervous 2day i never saw u in such a situation.
Don't u believe in ur Team or what??
then let who wanna talk 2 talk and if we wanna discuss here we dont fight man.
we all know we should be rewarded something for our honesty not only for honesty but also for deserving 2 titles in the past that were snatched from our hands even Juve fanz know that and who say that match fixing has nothing 2 do with Inter is an ass hole.
Juve must keep Inter away cause they know that in a head 2 head competition Inter is much better than Milan and we are harder for Juve than Milan we have always been a pain in the ass for Juve so they want 2 keep us away so they use the refs agianst us.

PLZ Elcino calm down it's time 2 CELEBRATE NOT FIGHT.
AREN'T U THE ONE WHO WRITE THIS.

a BILION hearts beating as ONE
INTER is our shadow under
the SUN ...
our PASSION is bigger than the ocean WAVES....
we're PERPETUAL
like the unknown GRAVES......
and while the others are blown AWAY.....
from here to ETERNITY we're gonna STAY......
one GOD one DOMAIN
one TEAM in my SOUL will REMAIN
and all that SUFFERING and PAIN...
all those TEARS in the RAIN...
will DESAPEAR like a TRAIN...
INTER will be GLORIOUS AGAIN...

YES inter will be glorious again dont worry.and about the old bitch she will have 2 spend sometime in Serie B 2 years or who know maybe more.

[koko_juve]

whatever dude....seriously i dont wanna fight anymore...let everything be like ur saying....Juve cheated 29 times and Inter is champion.....ARE YOU PLEASED NOW :lol: ..... but im wondering what will happen if Inter wont win this year.... Who will be guilty then?

[nerazzuri]

koko u ignorant fool can u read? do u understand english? who said juve cheated their 27 titles and its not 29 get that through ur thick skull. and who said we're celebrating the scudetto? we're celebrationg the fact that juve got wot the deserve. u still dont ***kin get dont u... man ur IQ's prob in the minus section:croc: :rolleyes:

[King Adriano]

Inter to receive Scudetto

Wednesday 19 July, 2006

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Reports from Italy suggest that within the next 10 days Inter will be officially awarded last season’s Scudetto.

With Juventus relegated and Milan deducted 44 points, the Nerazzurri top the revised table for the 2005-06 campaign.

However, it was initially suggested that the Scudetto would be declared void rather than awarded to the Serpenti.

Inter owner Massimo Moratti has been insistent from the beginning that his club deserve to be awarded their 14th championship.

“I insist that we are given the title so that we are separated from the guilty clubs,” the oil tycoon stated. “Otherwise we’re saying that the whole of Serie A was involved in the scandal.”

A meeting is scheduled for July 28 between members of the Italian Football Federation and the Football League. It is widely believed that that the two governing bodies are set to hand the title to Inter.

In fact the Nerazzurri are so confident of being awarded the title that the Coppa Italia logo on the new Inter replica shirts has been moved to the sleeve to allow space for the Scudetto to be recognised.

[King Adriano]

Milan claim UEFA place

Wednesday 19 July, 2006

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Milan look set to claim a place in next season’s UEFA Cup after the Italian Football Federation refused to support Empoli’s bid to acquire a licence to enter the competition.

The Tuscan minnows unexpectedly found themselves in the UEFA Cup qualification zone following the Calciopoli verdict but appear to be unable to take advantage of the opportunity.

It is a let-off for the Rossoneri, and it represents a miscalculation on the part of Guido Rossi and his team as last Friday’s sentence was supposed to prevent Milan from taking part in European competition in the coming season.

The Diavoli will now hope that the consolation of UEFA Cup football will halt a potential exodus from the San Siro.

[ilcapitano]

...didnt you had that weird feeling that the referees are always against Inter no matter the oponent???

I bet every supporter feels the same about his own team.

Mentality my ass...im not questio0ning you're love for Inter...i dont care about that...im amazed how can you be against a scudetto that belongs to Inter...when everyone else have been punished for cheating...why shouldnt Inter be rewarded with a scudetto for it's honesty and innocence????:confused:...i dont get you...i really dont...in other sports like in Athletics or in the olympic games if the firts one is banned or disqalified the secong autoimaticly gets the gold...it's simple...im amazed with crap like:INTER SHOULD WON THAT ON THE FIELD...THIS JUST ISNT THAT"....it pisses me off...it's ridiculous...

This is just something that we have to disagree on.
No hard feelings, eLcino.

[King Adriano]

what's the matter with u guys???
u can't treat each other like that,Common we are all Interistas.

[Sebastian]

I bet every supporter feels the same about his own team.



This is just something that we have to disagree on.
No hard feelings, eLcino.

...ofcourse...no hard feelings...but the Scudetto will be rewarded to Inter whether you like it or not...desagreein or not that's a fact...in a league where chaos rulez...you cant point out the psichological or mental abilities...aspecially not when there's cheaters like Juventus and Milan...have it you're way...

if you thionk that Inter doesnt deserve the Scudetto after Juve and Milan were accused and sentenced about their crymes...that when someone who is innocent and who is sentenced for nothing...that he doesnt deserve a compensation...then...i have nothing more to say...

[King Adriano]

We deserve the title no doubt and we are happy for being rewarded it but believe me elcino you urself will feel much happier when we will win it next season.
TRUST ME.

[nerazzuri]

now the new season will be a clean fight our chances of winning the league will be higher than it has in the past 2 decades... i didn't even know the word justice existed

well well. 300 pages of previously unseen telephone transcripts that incriminate at least two more clubs.

after 17yrs we finally got... im not gonna wait 18yrs and equal roma's record:rolleyes:

[King Adriano]

now the new season will be a clean fight our chances of winning the league will be higher than it has in the past 2 decades... i didn't even know the word justice existed

well well. 300 pages of previously unseen telephone transcripts that incriminate at least two more clubs.

after 17yrs we finally got... im not gonna wait 18yrs and equal roma's record:rolleyes:
Trust me u wont wait anymore Next Season is ours.;)

[Sebastian]

...ofcourse it's ours...Juve in the nether regiones...:evil:...and Milan with 15 bihind...who can take it away from us...Inter will be so strong next season that even if thyere was Juve and Milan without penalistation...we would Win...the league will be different...

[King Adriano]

yes it will and it won't be just words like every season this year it will be facts.

[ilcapitano]

I agree that this year Inter has to win. There's no way that Milan can be a scudetto threat with 15 points in the minus. The only threat that I can see is Roma, but they should play very much above their level to beat us.

Juventus has been selling their best players with ridiculous sums, less than 10 mill per head. How are they going to bounce back, I wonder.
Anyway, I'm happy to take Ibra and Vieira :roll:

[Sebastian]

...Vieira is ours allright...as for Ibrahimovic i dont know...as it seems he had agreed terms with Inter and i hope that's true...you know i have newer been his fan...but he's ten times better than Toni...Zlatan doesnt score much...but at least he is creative and that is an aspect that i apreciate the most...he will be extremely compatibile with Adriano and create chanses for him...when he created chanses for Trezeguet,he will find that much easier with Adriano...they will be unstopable together...they are fast...creative and one of the most dificuld players for marking...last season Inter forward was crap...there wasnt a suitable partner for Adriano...Recoba was injured him self but even he wasnt the best for Adriano...Cruz cant play with Adriano and as for Martins i dont even want to speak...he got to go from Inter...with Recoba signing a new deal he'll be perfect from the bench...i reallye xpect lot from Ibrahimovic next season...he has to improve his effectivness and reduce his Ego...cos Adriano is better than Trezeguet or Del Piero...that will be a cool partnership...he had a lot of problems last season...even Capello who brought him didnt wanted to field him in the final stages...the guy was selfish and he started to ruin precious chanses...

[King Adriano]

Just wanna say that all the problems that happened between Juve and Ibra were because Ibra was feeling uncomfortable that strange things are happening inside the club which we all know and he made some comments 2 the press about Juventus that Moggi and Capello didn't like and also wanted 2 leave at last winter transfer period.
He will feel much better in Clean Inter and as Adriano's same age they will cope 2gether and if Ibra doesn't score that much but he can create Goals for Adriano which is Adriano's Job 2 score and Ibra 2 create and also 2 exchange roles sometimes if needed.
Vieira will make Inter's Midfield Compact and partnering with Young and active Cambiasso will make him feel easier 2 work and also 2 get in the offensive area if he wants sometimes.
If we complete the signing of these 2 then i can tell u that Inter need no more players for next 2 seasons at least and that we will be the most favourite team in Italy and also will be one of the biggest teams in CL.

[GiorgioII]

Ibrahimovic can be a creative genius at his best and reduces the need for a fantasista in midfield. We should remember that before last season Madrid reputedly bid 70 million euros for his services. That is how well he was playing. If he can rediscover that touch and lose the complacency in his performances last season he and Adriano will be the best partnership in the world. And eLcino, he is definitely ours:) .

As for Vieira I won't pretend that he is the best, but many people do treat him a bit harshly. He is better than many say and more creative than some think. He will make our midfield very tough like KA said, yet also with a fine balance of creativity.

[King Adriano]

i just can't wait for the begining of the season.when will all the players start training,i mean the wc players.

[ilcapitano]

...Vieira is ours allright...as for Ibrahimovic i dont know...as it seems he had agreed terms with Inter and i hope that's true...you know i have newer been his fan...but he's ten times better than Toni...Zlatan doesnt score much...but at least he is creative and that is an aspect that i apreciate the most...he will be extremely compatibile with Adriano and create chanses for him...when he created chanses for Trezeguet,he will find that much easier with Adriano...they will be unstopable together...they are fast...creative and one of the most dificuld players for marking...

Yes, on paper they loom like an ideal partnership. But one never ones for sure.
What I really like about Zlatan is that he is a fast and clever player. I don't mean that he's a fast runner but that he usually does something with the ball very quickly once he gets it. This is something crucial in serie A where defence is so well organized. He can really surprise me, and I respect that in any player.
It's true that he isn't a reliable scorer. But then again, he can finish really beautiful and difficult goals - something we all like to see...

[Ryan27]

As for Vieira I won't pretend that he is the best, but many people do treat him a bit harshly. He is better than many say and more creative than some think. He will make our midfield very tough like KA said, yet also with a fine balance of creativity.
Ya, and don't forget his contribution on set pieces. With him, Materazzi, Adriano, and maybe Ibrahimovic, how are teams gonna defend all our giants on corner kicks?! Then we still have someone pesky like Cordoba who finds ways to get open on those things.

[Ryan27]

Yes, on paper they loom like an ideal partnership. But one never ones for sure.
Yeah I'm far from convinced that their personalities will mesh. That sort of thing we can't know for sure. The other problem is that neither one is coming off of a great season or world cup. And neither seems to score a lot of the easier tap in goals. That is something they can always improve on...at least we hope so...

[King Adriano]

Ya, and don't forget his contribution on set pieces. With him, Materazzi, Adriano, and maybe Ibrahimovic, how are teams gonna defend all our giants on corner kicks?! Then we still have someone pesky like Cordoba who finds ways to get open on those things.
also don't forget Samuel remember his old goals with Roma and the Goal he scored this season against Chievo and of course the one against Juve.;)

[King Adriano]

They will improve cause they will gain confidence when they feel like they are the best and in the best and favourite team they will gain confidence with no Juve or Milan they will feel comfortable so they will play with no press and games pressure,also they must prove that last season was just a memory and they will try 2 improve.

[GiorgioII]

Yeah I'm far from convinced that their personalities will mesh. That sort of thing we can't know for sure. The other problem is that neither one is coming off of a great season or world cup. And neither seems to score a lot of the easier tap in goals. That is something they can always improve on...at least we hope so...

They don't have to be great friends to form a great partnership. Anyway, I think their slightly moody personalities may lead to them becoming great friends:D .

[King Adriano]

yes all i care about is playing good 2gether then friendship will come by gamez.

[Sebastian]

And eLcino, he is definitely ours:) .


...Please Giorgio...dont say that...you said that about Chivu last season...please....lets wait....if he arrives then i would be delighted...:evil:...shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[King Adriano]

all the ways are leading 2 Ibrhaimovic in Inter next season even his chances are bigger than Luca Toni right now.

[GiorgioII]

...Please Giorgio...dont say that...you said that about Chivu last season...please....lets wait....if he arrives then i would be delighted...:evil:...shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I know eLcino. Sorry. But if Inter chooses Toni over Zlatan I will be so angry:lol: .

[King Adriano]

me 2 but if we have no option except Toni then go for him.

[ilcapitano]

it will be interesting to see what the new verdicts are today or tomorrow morning. The press has speculated that they might be less strict, especially for Fiorentina and Lazio.
Anyway, juventus will stay in B, that should be a sure thing.

[King Adriano]

well i hope Lazio and Fiorentina stay in Serie A.

[koko_juve]

Lazio and Fiorentina are staying in Seria A.... lazio with -11, Fiorentina with -19... Juve is in seria B with -17... Milan stays in seria A -15 pionts but with chance next season to play in Chamipons League qualification rounds..

So this all mean that Juve is back next season in Seria A..... YEAAAAAAA :lol:

[ilcapitano]

Actually Milan loses ONLY EIGHT POINTS.
Damnit, that's not even a penalty. How can they get off so easily :angry:

Must be some of that Berlusconi magic...

[King Adriano]

yes and they will join CL next season 2.what kind of a punishment is this.
I think that Milan is 100 % more guilty than Fiorentina and Lazio and the funny thing that after this great reduction in their punishment yesterday Mr.Galliani said that he's not completely satisfied and will appeal again infront of Civil court and he will prove that Milan is innocent.
THIS IS BULLSHIT.

[caruiz93]

these people are cheats.its obvious they paid to get of the hook.

[Lance Knight]

actually Milan gets to qualify in the qualifying rounds of the champions leagues, they dont get automatic entry. but hey we all know they would make it pass those weak teams anyway. heres an article on the whole thing

Lazio, Fiorentina returned as Juventus remain in Serie B
July 26, 2006

Lazio and Fiorentina have regained their Serie A status on appeal from their Calciopoli verdicts, however Juventus will remain in Serie B this term.
Lazio and Fiorentina have been reinstated to Serie A - but with points deductions increased from 12 to 19 for Fiorentina and seven to 11 for Lazio.

Juventus' hopes of overturning demotion to Serie B were dashed, but instead of starting on minus 30 points, they have only had 17 points taken away.

AC Milan stay in Serie A with their penalty cut from 15 points to eight.

Milan have also been allowed to play in the Champions League qualifying rounds this season - having originally been barred from Europe.

But the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) sports court upheld the decision to strip Juventus of their last two Serie A titles.

The court also confirmed the five-year bans for former Juventus executives Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo - the figures at the centre of the scandal.

In addition, Juventus and Fiorentina were told they must play their first three home games of the 2006-07 campaigns at neutral grounds. Lazio were given a two-match stadium ban and Milan one match.


About 300 fans of local club Lazio gathered outside to cheer the decision to promote the team back to Serie A.

Juventus are now the only one of the four implicated clubs to be demoted to Serie B, and the Turin club immediately said on Tuesday evening they would now appeal again - possibly through a civil court if necessary.

Juve's club lawyer Cesare Zaccone told Italian news agency Ansa the appeal court's decision was "incredible."

And club chairman Giovanni Cobolli Gigli said in a statement: "We absolutely cannot accept this sentence. For this reason we have decided to push our case in every possible forum."

Fiorentina owner Diego Della Valle also raised the possibility of an appeal in the civil courts, saying after the hearing: "It's the first step. We haven't done anything and we will go down every avenue to clear our name."

Della Valle, who saw his four-year ban for his involvement in the scandal reduced by three months, added: "We won a place in the Champions League on the pitch and we will keep going until they give it back to us."

Lazio president Claudio Lotito added: "I'm not satisfied at all. Lazio has not broken any rule. The fact that we will not be taking part in the Uefa Cup is not in line with the truth."

AC Milan were the only one of the four clubs to express anything like relief at the lessening of their punishment.

"For a club that asked for a complete annulment (of the tribunal's sentence) it cannot be considered a victory," said their lawyer Leandro Cantamessa.

"But bearing in mind the tribunal's sentence, which was like being in front of a firing squad, this is much better."

Asked whether Milan intended to follow the example of the other three clubs and pursue the case in the civil courts, Cantamessa replied: "I don't know. We'll see.

"We are in the Champions League, otherwise I would not even be moderately happy".

The big losers from the appeal decisions are Lecce and Treviso.

The bottom two clubs in Serie A last season, they were reinstated to Serie A along with 18th-placed Messina after the original verdict.

But now Fiorentina and Lazio are back in Serie A, Lecce and Treviso will be relegated after all. Messina stay up, taking Juventus' place in the top-flight, although they will now fear the Turin club's next appeal.

[King Adriano]

Thanx Lance,Milan got a near no punishment 2 what they did,Italian Federation is taking no fair decision with these ass hole.