Argentina-Mexico and Portugal-Holland

[monge]

OK, I think it's time to stop bashing one another around here. I'll cheer for Mexico after Portugal now on. Make your best to beat the "monster" (with "m" not "M") Argentina.


Força Mexico e FORÇA PORTUGAL...já o fizemos antes, basta repetir!

[STR1]

Portugal and Holland are more of an equal match. Holland hasn't shown alot in this WC but you can never discard them. I am sure Holland and Portugal know each other well. I think this match could go either way. It will come down to who makes the less mistakes.


Mexico vs. Argentina looks like one sided. Argentina along with Spain are the two teams who have shown they have what it takes to get the job done and take the trophy home. As much as I want to say that Mexico will advance, I want to be realistic here and say Argentina will send Mexico home. I really want Mexico to reach that goal (quater finals) but the odds are against our favor. With the display Mexico has done, I just don't see any way Mexico can hurt Argentina. Argentina has played Mexico in many occasions and beat them when it most counts (Copa America final 1993, Confederations Cup semifinal last year). And this won't be an exception. I hope I am wrong, I really am, and hope for an early goal so Mexico will have control of the game but only the time will tell.

If Argentina wins they go up against the winner of Germany-Sweden game. If its Germany........THIS IS A GAME I WONT WANT TO MISS-Germany vs. Argentina!

[benfica64]

Portugal and Holland are more of an equal match. Holland hasn't shown alot in this WC but you can never discard them. I am sure Holland and Portugal know each other well. I think this match could go either way. It will come down to who makes the less mistakes.


Mexico vs. Argentina looks like one sided. Argentina along with Spain are the two teams who have shown they have what it takes to get the job done and take the trophy home. As much as I want to say that Mexico will advance, I want to be realistic here and say Argentina will send Mexico home. I really want Mexico to reach that goal (quater finals) but the odds are against our favor. With the display Mexico has done, I just don't see any way Mexico can hurt Argentina. Argentina has played Mexico in many occasions and beat them when it most counts (Copa America final 1993, Confederations Cup semifinal last year). And this won't be an exception. I hope I am wrong, I really am, and hope for an early goal so Mexico will have control of the game but only the time will tell.

If Argentina wins they go up against the winner of Germany-Sweden game. If its Germany........THIS IS A GAME I WONT WANT TO MISS-Germany vs. Argentina!

I will be cheering on the ol Mexicanos against Argentino. Go get em boys and good luck!

[Dr M*****]

Hey there's some Mexican4Life22 guy roming around saying that Franco is the best player. He is not Mexican thats just handjob in disguise.

[handofgod]

Hey there's some Mexican4Life22 guy roming around saying that Franco is the best player. He is not Mexican thats just handjob in disguise.

The only one with several identities here is you, even your fellow Mexican folks admit you are an idiot, posting embarrasing stuff.
Unlike you I don't have to get banned every other day because of your stupidity, but anyway.

Hope you are happy now playing Argentina, after all that's what you wanted right? Good luck anyway, you will need it.

[Dr M*****]

The only one with several identities here is you, even your fellow Mexican folks admit you are an idiot, posting embarrasing stuff.
Unlike you I don't have to get banned every other day because of your stupidity, but anyway.

Hope you are happy now playing Argentina, after all that's what you wanted right? Good luck anyway, you will need it.

Mexico will lose 3-1 againts Argentina, but the Argies wont win the cup.

[NalboKuloRoto]

Mexico will lose 3-1 againts Argentina, but the Argies wont win the cup.

Ok, I'll take half of your prediction. :D

[el chingon]

mexico 3- argentina 0

hopefully

[handofgod]

mexico 3- argentina 0

hopefully

Hopefully one day you stop using drugs and hallucinogens. :lol: :lol:

[benfica64]

mexico 3- argentina 0

hopefully

now here is a most probable outcome, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!! OMG i think I just shittin me pants!

[Langbaard]

mexico 3- argentina 0

hopefully

Ouch man, you'll be dissapointed.. good luck with the game.

[MADRIDCF8]

argentina 2 - mexico 1
i was realistic about the u s and irans chances and this is where i had mexico loosing, i just hope were not blown out and we have a good chance of winning it at the end.

holland 1 - portugal 0
holland has a good defence only allowing 1 goal in the three toughest games, even with the bench argentina has great forwards and attackers. Portugal will pressure but it wont be there day. :worried:

[skillmatik]

all of u forget that it is a sport an anything can happen shit u cant discard any team and put them down cause u could be shitted on,right benfica okay argentina might be to confident,true there skillz are better but shit happens.

[benfica64]

all of u forget that it is a sport an anything can happen shit u cant discard any team and put them down cause u could be shitted on,right benfica okay argentina might be to confident,true there skillz are better but shit happens. Argentina is a better team then Mexico that much is pretty clear however dosent mean its a automatic Win. In this game talk to mean a whole lot what does is what is dont on the field. Argentina will be pretty heavey favorites to beat Mexico and I myself see them winning, but like yah said you never know in this game. The game with Holland and Portugal its alot more even and in that one I believe Portugal will win it.

[benfica64]

Argentina is a better team then Mexico that much is pretty clear however dosent mean its a automatic Win. In this game talk to mean a whole lot what does is what is dont on the field. Argentina will be pretty heavey favorites to beat Mexico and I myself see them winning, but like yah said you never know in this game. The game with Holland and Portugal its alot more even and in that one I believe Portugal will win it. MAn i need stay of da vinho making spelling errors left right and centre.

[DiStefano]

Argentina-Mexico:The only question is by how much will Argentina win..they are now hitting on all cylinders and Mexico is just a mess.


Holland-Portugal: Pretty much the same, Holland just has too many weapons for Portugal

[unam_mx]

Im glad we're playing Argentina...we know them better, we've given them good fights and even beat them a few times in our most recent meetings.This isnt going to be one-sided, its going to be a close hard fought game.Argentina will probably end up winning but it aint going to be an easy victory, we aint going down without a fight.And who knows we might even pull off the upset, unlikely but not impossible.

Vamos Mexico y Vamos Portugal...represent that Group D, lol.

[beirario]

Argentina-Mexico:The only question is by how much will Argentina win..they are now hitting on all cylinders and Mexico is just a mess.


Holland-Portugal: Pretty much the same, Holland just has too many weapons for Portugal

if u say so :( .........i just hope we dont lose by more than 4.

[rojinegro13]

Yup I say that Mexico will play Argentina tough, and will probably end up being a lot of cards, this would hurt Argentina more than mexico, and if mexico finaly start playing smarter who knows what can happen.

[caruiz93]

well its the round of sixteen where your coach has senn where the mistakes are and who the best players are.it all changes now.theres no tommorow.if mexico plays how the have plyed in the confeds cup and copa america before they lost to brazil then they might win.

[ericquez00]

If we look back, History is on the Argentinos side. However, history also says that when Mexico plays big teams they play better. Argentina and the whole world is convinced that they are going to win. This is Mexico´s best weapon. I´m sure we are going to see a very close match and Mexico will play their best game in this cup. It is time to change history!!!!!!

[handofgod]

Yup I say that Mexico will play Argentina tough, and will probably end up being a lot of cards, this would hurt Argentina more than mexico, and if mexico finaly start playing smarter who knows what can happen.

This shows how little you know about futbol. Mexico indeed will play Argentina somewhat rough but they can not have any 10 to 10 men situations in the game cuz they will get smoked, Argentina would love to use the extra space, you take 1 Argentinian out and u still have 10 world class players, can not say the same about the Mexicans, they would be just a team with 1 man less.

Mexico's task is impossible, they will do what they always do against big teams, put everybody in the back hoping for counterattcaks, but the problem is that then you will be counting on Bravo who is not fir for that role, he can ran the last 1/3 of the field pretty well but not orchestrate an full counterattack, maybe someone like Arellano could but he is not physically fit right now. Speaking of fit, I've noticed a lot of teams running on fumes already and the fact Mexico had to play ultra hard agains Portugal won't help.

If Argentina scores early it will be ugly, 4-0 or worse. Messi will go in the second round and I expect him to have a huge game.

[caruiz93]

This shows how little you know about futbol. Mexico indeed will play Argentina somewhat rough but they can not have any 10 to 10 men situations in the game cuz they will get smoked, Argentina would love to use the extra space, you take 1 Argentinian out and u still have 10 world class players, can not say the same about the Mexicans, they would be just a team with 1 man less.

Mexico's task is impossible, they will do what they always do against big teams, put everybody in the back hoping for counterattcaks, but the problem is that then you will be counting on Bravo who is not fir for that role, he can ran the last 1/3 of the field pretty well but not orchestrate an full counterattack, maybe someone like Arellano could but he is not physically fit right now. Speaking of fit, I've noticed a lot of teams running on fumes already and the fact Mexico had to play ultra hard agains Portugal won't help.

If Argentina scores early it will be ugly, 4-0 or worse. Messi will go in the second round and I expect him to have a huge game.

dude,not to bash your post but this show that you dont anything about football.just like the other guy said that it would be a close game it is halftime and he was right,mexico has alot of people in the back but that doesnt keep them from having a strong offense.we are playing great and tied 1-1 in half time.its been a great game.mexico scored aerly and two minutes later argentina tied it.

[beirario]

Mexico was robbed, Key moment of the match was minute 45' referee forgot to show it to the argentinian player.

Im not mexican but it sucks to see teams like argentina, germany...... getting favored.

[footofgod]

This shows how little you know about futbol. Mexico indeed will play Argentina somewhat rough but they can not have any 10 to 10 men situations in the game cuz they will get smoked, Argentina would love to use the extra space, you take 1 Argentinian out and u still have 10 world class players, can not say the same about the Mexicans, they would be just a team with 1 man less.

Mexico's task is impossible, they will do what they always do against big teams, put everybody in the back hoping for counterattcaks, but the problem is that then you will be counting on Bravo who is not fir for that role, he can ran the last 1/3 of the field pretty well but not orchestrate an full counterattack, maybe someone like Arellano could but he is not physically fit right now. Speaking of fit, I've noticed a lot of teams running on fumes already and the fact Mexico had to play ultra hard agains Portugal won't help.

If Argentina scores early it will be ugly, 4-0 or worse. Messi will go in the second round and I expect him to have a huge game.

Mexico gave Argentina the fight of their lives. Argentina also got a free goal from Mexico. That proves that Mexico is just a little less class than Argentina. This also proves that Mexico is way better than USA. Giving the group leader an awesome match that could of been either of them. Next time dont bash on my country's team.


Next WC 2010 We Will be ready. :smoking:

PS: Germany will beat Argentina and win the cup.

[Sabbatasso]

I'd have to disagree with you... beirario. Heinze was not the last man, so only deserves a yellow card. Note that Argentina was anulled 2 goals for offsides, which when seen on the repeat where not off-side. Mexico played a brilliant game, but they only lasted one half. Argentina deserved to win. (although they didn't play as well as they would've liked)

[handofgod]

Mexico gave Argentina the fight of their lives. Argentina also got a free goal from Mexico. That proves that Mexico is just a little less class than Argentina. This also proves that Mexico is way better than USA. Giving the group leader an awesome match that could of been either of them. Next time dont bash on my country's team.


Next WC 2010 We Will be ready. :smoking:

PS: Germany will beat Argentina and win the cup.

Well Mexico sucked, just kidding, definitely Mexico gained my respect and I'm sure others' as well. It was a clearly hard fought game but at the end history proved to weigh too much as it typically does in a WC.

About Mexico and the US they are not that far apart at least when you see the results of their last 10 games. It just happens that Mexico matches well against the Argies.
I mean it'd would be like saying the US was far superior than Mexico 4 years ago when Germany barely beat the Americans, IMO I would not considered one team above the other.

I hope Mexican fans appreciate the job done by LaVolpe, it was disgusting to see some fans in Mexico simulating the hanging of their coach b/c according to them since he is Argentinian he gave the game to them???!!!! I hope this is a minority b/c LaVolpe has clearly done a superb job and taken Mexican soccer to new heights.

About the game itself Perkerman had a horrible lineup, IMO the team that played against Holland was his best, Milito needs to be there instead of Heinze, who was clearly shaky throughout the entire game, and Messi should be the starter with Crespo and reserve Tevez and Cruz only for extra time.

Riquelme needs to be benched too, and let Aimar play with Cambiasso, sometimes a great player needs that to shake previous bad performances. Scalioni had a terrible game but he may be a good fit against Germany.

Mexico had a great gameplan and a good lineup, unfortunately most of the changes LaVolpe made were forced by injuries, and I could not disagree more with the Mexican play by play narrator who said Franco should've in there (??!!).

All and all this was a great game, the best team won and at least Mexico has finally done some talk with their game and not by the overhype their media created. Mexican soccer can only go up now but they should definitely reduce the ridiulous transfer tags they have on their players so they can transition to European clubs, and once and for all join Conmebol.

[footofgod]

Well Mexico sucked, just kidding, definitely Mexico gained my respect and I'm sure others' as well. It was a clearly hard fought game but at the end history proved to weigh too much as it typically does in a WC.

About Mexico and the US they are not that far apart at least when you see the results of their last 10 games. It just happens that Mexico matches well against the Argies.
I mean it'd would be like saying the US was far superior than Mexico 4 years ago when Germany barely beat the Americans, IMO I would not considered one team above the other.

I hope Mexican fans appreciate the job done by LaVolpe, it was disgusting to see some fans in Mexico simulating the hanging of their coach b/c according to them since he is Argentinian he gave the game to them???!!!! I hope this is a minority b/c LaVolpe has clearly done a superb job and taken Mexican soccer to new heights.

About the game itself Perkerman had a horrible lineup, IMO the team that played against Holland was his best, Milito needs to be there instead of Heinze, who was clearly shaky throughout the entire game, and Messi should be the starter with Crespo and reserve Tevez and Cruz only for extra time.

Riquelme needs to be benched too, and let Aimar play with Cambiasso, sometimes a great player needs that to shake previous bad performances. Scalioni had a terrible game but he may be a good fit against Germany.

Mexico had a great gameplan and a good lineup, unfortunately most of the changes LaVolpe made were forced by injuries, and I could not disagree more with the Mexican play by play narrator who said Franco should've in there (??!!).

All and all this was a great game, the best team won and at least Mexico has finally done some talk with their game and not by the overhype their media created. Mexican soccer can only go up now but they should definitely reduce the ridiulous transfer tags they have on their players so they can transition to European clubs, and once and for all join Conmebol.

Thank u for being a man and accepting the fact that Mexico is a force to be reckoned with. Although, i still disagree with u about the fact that USA is superior to Mexico. I hope we can put the bullshit behind us. This was a beutiful game, and i almost cried when i saw Mexico leave. This game made the Wc look more like a WC. I enjoyed having LaVolpe as the coach, but i dont expect him to stay.

Who knows if there will be a transfer to Conmebol. :)

[bernardo8]

i think that anyone would agree with me with. that if mexico wouldve won it was deserved too. that game couldve gone any way, and exactly wonderful/pure class goals are the most of the times theonly thing that can determine the path of the game. just as in this one.
about lavolpe, he put out the correct formation, and as handofgod said the substitutions were because of injuries. and it really marked a difference in the extra time. u could see it in some players and specially castro.

about the referee, so far the worst ive seen. bad calls, for both sides, heinze shouldve been sent off, the 90 minute goal by messi was not offside, scaloni made like 20 fouls and shouldve at least gotten 1 yellow card, i wouldnt be surprised if he had received 2. and when i say the worst ive seen i mean the referee, the game he reffed in the group stages was a shitty performance by him too.

[footofgod]

i think that anyone would agree with me with. that if mexico wouldve won it was deserved too. that game couldve gone any way, and exactly wonderful/pure class goals are the most of the times theonly thing that can determine the path of the game. just as in this one.
about lavolpe, he put out the correct formation, and as handofgod said the substitutions were because of injuries. and it really marked a difference in the extra time. u could see it in some players and specially castro.

about the referee, so far the worst ive seen. bad calls, for both sides, heinze shouldve been sent off, the 90 minute goal by messi was not offside, scaloni made like 20 fouls and shouldve at least gotten 1 yellow card, i wouldnt be surprised if he had received 2. and when i say the worst ive seen i mean the referee, the game he reffed in the group stages was a shitty performance by him too.

Next time, Mexico you will reach your ultimate goal.
From now on just cream USA.
Go Mexico!!! GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bernardo8]

thats what ive been trying to tell many of the people here. that mexico is better than the usa (not by much) because mexico plays well most of the timesagainst world class teams, and u cant say that about the usa. this is not to get into a discussion about mexico vs usa. plz stick to the topic anyways for me this has been the best game so far in the wc

[I.luv_Barcelona]

Yeah I have 2 agree the best game I've seen so far hope to see more games like this with a better referee

[MADRIDCF8]

im happy with the game, i know we lost and i was so sad, but we played a good team are still ahead of us. Our goal is to be LIKE argentina while theirs is to beat teams like us, so when we show that we can play with them and we played well, i think it continues to show our improvments. THe ref was bad, but was bad for both sides no excuse for mexico. i agree with hand of god with the mexico v usa situation, i think they are both eqaul, i believe mexico is a little better but i believe it is arguable. Good game Mexico i for one was proud of our team.

I think what handofgod said about the mexican players price tags being to high is correct, to improve mexican soccer we need our best players to play in europe, no question about that. Although the mexican league is improving our national team will improve so much more with european talent even if they dont play that much they still will practice with the best day in and day out.
hopefully the following can go to europe
salcido, osorio, guardado, and kikin, some other players that i htink have less chance r pineda, ochoa, morales, and bravo.
i think alot of u put to much emphasis on the u-17 players. if they go to europe they will definintly be great but the u-17 team doesnt translate to the national team in 8 years. Some of our stars of the team which we have many, can play but some will not. HOpefully we produce more players like landin and guardado who werent on those types of teams and still are playing really well.

[bernardo8]

to me the possible ones to go to europe are: salcido, osorio, guardado, bravo and oswaldo. i mean with real possibilitys and i agree with anyone that mentioned the price tags. the owners of teams should open their eyes and see that if they want mexico to improve internationally we need european experience.

[monge]

to me the possible ones to go to europe are: salcido, osorio, guardado, bravo and oswaldo. i mean with real possibilitys and i agree with anyone that mentioned the price tags. the owners of teams should open their eyes and see that if they want mexico to improve internationally we need european experience.

I liked osorio today.

[bernardo8]

I liked osorio today.
definately. for me this has been his best game so far in his career. (from the ones ive watched) both with the nt and cruz azul. could anyone agree with me that this defense has been one of the world cup (marquez, osorio, salcido)?? i dont mean as individuals, but at how theyve played colectivelly during the cup. ne ways good luck to portugal tomorrow i hope they win

[DiStefano]

Mexico was robbed, Key moment of the match was minute 45' referee forgot to show it to the argentinian player.

Im not mexican but it sucks to see teams like argentina, germany...... getting favored.

Argentina got favored...oh yeah like that legit goal of Messi's that got called back ok............you hump

[bernardo8]

the point is the referee has been the worst of the wc so far. bad calls FOR BOTH TEAMS. the most influential ones for each team: heinze shouldve been sent off for that foul at the end of the first half and messis goal was onside. if the referee had called that red card it wouldve been a very different game, im not saying we wouldve won. who knows. but it definately wouldve been different. i think that the referee made more calls that favored argentina rather than mexico. but many of these didnt really made a difference in the game. the same with many of the calls that favored mexico. as i said there was 1 call for each team that were really making a difference.

[DiStefano]

Mexico gave Argentina the fight of their lives. Argentina also got a free goal from Mexico. That proves that Mexico is just a little less class than Argentina. This also proves that Mexico is way better than USA. Giving the group leader an awesome match that could of been either of them. Next time dont bash on my country's team.


Next WC 2010 We Will be ready. :smoking:

PS: Germany will beat Argentina and win the cup.


PS Messi's goal was good so the ref gave you guys a gift.....keep smoking

[DiStefano]

the point is the referee has been the worst of the wc so far. bad calls FOR BOTH TEAMS. the most influential ones for each team: heinze shouldve been sent off for that foul at the end of the first half and messis goal was onside.

Can't argue with facts........Heinze was in another time zone or some shit...

[bernardo8]

Can't argue with facts........Heinze was in another time zone or some shit...
haha yeah i mean if heinze wouldve tackled like that in the half of the field it couldve been just a yellow card, but heinze being the last man before the goalie must mean it was deserved red card.

[handofgod]

Thank u for being a man and accepting the fact that Mexico is a force to be reckoned with. Although, i still disagree with u about the fact that USA is superior to Mexico. I hope we can put the bullshit behind us. This was a beutiful game, and i almost cried when i saw Mexico leave. This game made the Wc look more like a WC. I enjoyed having LaVolpe as the coach, but i dont expect him to stay.

Who knows if there will be a transfer to Conmebol. :)

I didn't say the US is better than Mexico, I think they are at about the same level, I would really like to see both joining Conmebol, wouldn't you like to see more Argentina vs Mexico in the future?!

As you said it's the only way our teams would actually become great teams.

[STR1]

US and Mexico joining CONMEBOL wont happen. Too many games to play as it is. I think the qualification stage for the WC in CONMEBOL starts like 2 years early because of all the games necessary. Besides if US and Mexico join CONMEBOL who will be left in CONCACAF? You will still have alot of teams left over on CONCACAF (mainly from central america) that aren't that important but nevertheless are affiliated to FIFA and have the right to participate. I do agree on some posts on another thread that Concacaf has alot of spots for the WC. I think it should be lower to 2.5 spots and give one more spot to Europe. Have the 3rd best team of Concacaf face the 5th best team of CONMEBOL for a spot on the WC. And have the best team of Ocenia face one from Asia for another spot.

[DiStefano]

OK, I think it's time to stop bashing one another around here. I'll cheer for Mexico after Portugal now on. Make your best to beat the "monster" (with "m" not "M") Argentina.


Força Mexico e FORÇA PORTUGAL...já o fizemos antes, basta repetir!

Now that is funny coming from some character like you you want to win the WC? you can't win the European title at home and you lose to a team that did not even make the final 32 in WC2006....lol Forca Greece! but hey you supported Mexico so support Portugal you seem to bring good luck to teams...

[caruiz93]

PS Messi's goal was good so the ref gave you guys a gift.....keep smoking


will every one quit about the reffing.yes heinze deserved a card and yes messi s goal was onside but come on this makes things even.i mean with 10 players on the pitch on argentinas side mexico could have won it,so messis anuled goal made things even.argentina won and its over.

[caruiz93]

that was a an amazing game
l.mexico played very well and gave argentina a super fight.i mean i had to take a five minut brake every once in a while because i couldnt deal with the tension and excitment.great goal by marquez and great goal by maxi rodrigueza.

[rojinegro13]

yup great games are always decided by the players who have more talent and Argentine definetly has more of those than Mexico, does anyone think that any keeper could've stop that shot? I dont, and those are the things that seperate Mexico from the top teams, and like Lavolpe said all we can do is keep working towards that goal, give the younger players more time internationaly, and work better with the fuerzas basicas.
(that goal by m. rodriguez has my vote for the best so far!)

[caruiz93]

Well Mexico sucked, just kidding, definitely Mexico gained my respect and I'm sure others' as well. It was a clearly hard fought game but at the end history proved to weigh too much as it typically does in a WC.

About Mexico and the US they are not that far apart at least when you see the results of their last 10 games. It just happens that Mexico matches well against the Argies.
I mean it'd would be like saying the US was far superior than Mexico 4 years ago when Germany barely beat the Americans, IMO I would not considered one team above the other.

I hope Mexican fans appreciate the job done by LaVolpe, it was disgusting to see some fans in Mexico simulating the hanging of their coach b/c according to them since he is Argentinian he gave the game to them???!!!! I hope this is a minority b/c LaVolpe has clearly done a superb job and taken Mexican soccer to new heights.

About the game itself Perkerman had a horrible lineup, IMO the team that played against Holland was his best, Milito needs to be there instead of Heinze, who was clearly shaky throughout the entire game, and Messi should be the starter with Crespo and reserve Tevez and Cruz only for extra time.

Riquelme needs to be benched too, and let Aimar play with Cambiasso, sometimes a great player needs that to shake previous bad performances. Scalioni had a terrible game but he may be a good fit against Germany.

Mexico had a great gameplan and a good lineup, unfortunately most of the changes LaVolpe made were forced by injuries, and I could not disagree more with the Mexican play by play narrator who said Franco should've in there (??!!).

All and all this was a great game, the best team won and at least Mexico has finally done some talk with their game and not by the overhype their media created. Mexican soccer can only go up now but they should definitely reduce the ridiulous transfer tags they have on their players so they can transition to European clubs, and once and for all join Conmebol.


okay see im not just some overhyping freak.all the hyping ive done for mexico was based on the football showed in the confederations cup wich was the one showed in thsi game.yes after the group stage i lost faith in them but i thought they could finally wake and show that great footbll.of course ive learned not to overhype my team too much for the next world cup but mexico did play a great game.i think there was to critical errors from the ref the one from hewinze and the anuled goal.in the end it could have gone either way.awsome goal from marquez and maxi rodriquez.but yes you were right in your other post that mexico did not deserve to be 4th in the world.i belive fifa should rank them about 14th.and yes the people who wanted to hang lavolpe are just a minority.i mean the results did not back mexico up but the performances were great.and about mexico joining conmebol,it would be great.i am tired of all those qualies we just cruise right by through.i would love to see mexico in a more competitive level and yeas mexico will probably miss out on more world cups but im sure we could manage to qualify regularly like paraguy or uruguay.i would love to see more mexico vs argentina.mexicos biggest riovalry is with the usa for more personal and political and situation reasons but i think mexico plays with more passion against argenitna.mexico should lower the prices of players so they could go to euroep.the problem is not the quality of the players but the prices.mexicos defence is great even if they got scored on alot.i mean we have good solid defenders.if mexico played the group stage like this the outcome would have been different against angoal and portugal.im glad mexico performed well even though they lost

[MADRIDCF8]

i dont think just usa and mexico can come it would have to be all of the teams but then they could have the format the same way for the north american teams and then the final 6 would join the 10 of south america making it 16
seed all the teams
Pot 1 arg, bra, mex, us (my pots were just based on the qualifying from this wc)
Pot 2 uru, par, ecu, cr
Pot 3 col, chi, t/t, ven
Pot 4 per, bol, gua, pan
then get the 4 groups the winners qualify to the world cup, then the four second teams play in two play offs both reaching, and then the two losing second placeteams play in another play off giving them 7 births and then the 8 the team can have a playoff with someone. concacaf has 3.5 bids and connmebol has 4.5 right now eqauling 8 and my idea would be 7.5. perfect dont u think .

[caruiz93]

i dont think just usa and mexico can come it would have to be all of the teams but then they could have the format the same way for the north american teams and then the final 6 would join the 10 of south america making it 16
seed all the teams
Pot 1 arg, bra, mex, us (my pots were just based on the qualifying from this wc)
Pot 2 uru, par, ecu, cr
Pot 3 col, chi, t/t, ven
Pot 4 per, bol, gua, pan
then get the 4 groups the winners qualify to the world cup, then the four second teams play in two play offs both reaching, and then the two losing second placeteams play in another play off giving them 7 births and then the 8 the team can have a playoff with someone. concacaf has 3.5 bids and connmebol has 4.5 right now eqauling 8 and my idea would be 7.5. perfect dont u think .


i think the group thing makes it a bit less competitive since you daont have to play as much and you probably wont have good teams in your group.if concacaf and conmebol join i think they should combine rules from both confederations. examplae:all the weak teams do a little playoff to see who qualifies for the real normal qualification round and then when all the teams are ready they just play each other .

example:

dominica----
- venezuela---------(venezuela advances)
venezuela-- -
----VENEZUELA
nicaragua--- -
-nicaRAGUA--------
martinica----

PERU----
-PERU----------(peru advances)
HAITI---- -
-------------BOLIVIA
GUATEMALA--- -
-BOLIVIA-------(bolivia advances)
BOLIVIA-------


IN THIS CASE ONLY PERU AND BOLIVIA QUALIFIED TO THE NORMAL ROUND BUT THE FEDERATION COULD MAKE the playoff bigger.things would look like this

brazil
mexico
argentina
bolivia
ecuador
uruguay
paraguay
usa
etc.
etc.
these teams would just do what conmebol normally does.

[handofgod]

i dont think just usa and mexico can come it would have to be all of the teams but then they could have the format the same way for the north american teams and then the final 6 would join the 10 of south america making it 16
seed all the teams
Pot 1 arg, bra, mex, us (my pots were just based on the qualifying from this wc)
Pot 2 uru, par, ecu, cr
Pot 3 col, chi, t/t, ven
Pot 4 per, bol, gua, pan
then get the 4 groups the winners qualify to the world cup, then the four second teams play in two play offs both reaching, and then the two losing second placeteams play in another play off giving them 7 births and then the 8 the team can have a playoff with someone. concacaf has 3.5 bids and connmebol has 4.5 right now eqauling 8 and my idea would be 7.5. perfect dont u think .

No the fact you are using Fifa rankings make your proposal worthless.

[MADRIDCF8]

well ididnt mean those should be the pots i was just giving it as an example

[handofgod]

i think the group thing makes it a bit less competitive since you daont have to play as much and you probably wont have good teams in your group.if concacaf and conmebol join i think they should combine rules from both confederations. examplae:all the weak teams do a little playoff to see who qualifies for the real normal qualification round and then when all the teams are ready they just play each other .

example:

dominica----
- venezuela---------(venezuela advances)
venezuela-- -
----VENEZUELA
nicaragua--- -
-nicaRAGUA--------
martinica----

PERU----
-PERU----------(peru advances)
HAITI---- -
-------------BOLIVIA
GUATEMALA--- -
-BOLIVIA-------(bolivia advances)
BOLIVIA-------


IN THIS CASE ONLY PERU AND BOLIVIA QUALIFIED TO THE NORMAL ROUND BUT THE FEDERATION COULD MAKE the playoff bigger.things would look like this

brazil
mexico
argentina
bolivia
ecuador
uruguay
paraguay
usa
etc.
etc.
these teams would just do what conmebol normally does.


Hahaha, no current Conmebol team will be subject to your little playoff idea.

All of Concacaf except for Mexico and the US should play a mini tournament to qualify to play with the rest of Conmebol. Then u must divide them into groups b/c they will be too many countries to keep the current format.

My biggest complaint about the current format where every team play against each other is the length of it, I mean seriously dudes, we would begin playing nexct year already, that does not allow a process for teams developing a new identity or revamping their lineups, but even worst is the fact that because it takes so long Copa America becomes a meaningless tourney cuz most teams rather save themselves for the qualies.

All Conmebol + Mexico + USA + 2 more Concacaf teams to total 14 teams:

Divide them into 2 groups of seven where all play against each other and have the first 2 of each group automatically qualified and figure a way for the remaing teams to fight for 3 spots:

Group A: Brazil, Uruguay, USA, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Honduras
Group B: Argentina, Mexico, Paraguay, Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Costa Rica

1st, 2nd and 3rd places from each group qualify, and 4ths go to a playoff (home and away) to decide last spot.

[Liiinaaah]

port - neth game was the best i liked the fighting . n 3 redcards omg!! it's getting really hot there.

[beirario]

Where was the fair play from holland? u got what u deserve bastards

[DutchWC2006]

where was the fair play from Portugal? Two are involved in a fight bastard. At least be happy you've won instead of crying.

[beirario]

1st i was calling bastards to the players not to dutch ppl

2nd scneider should have passed the ball back to us cuz referee stoped the match when Deco had the ball.

[DutchWC2006]

1: well ok, but still a bit far to call them bastards

2: yes he should, but he was most likely angry, thinking Boulahrouz had been tricked nto a red card and other skirmishes and being inexperienced in an inexperienced team he thought well i want to win and they dont play fair as well im just going on.

[benfica64]

port - neth game was the best i liked the fighting . n 3 redcards omg!! it's getting really hot there. FORZA PORTUGAL!!!! anyways I like your pic and your right it is getting hot in here!

[caruiz93]

Hahaha, no current Conmebol team will be subject to your little playoff idea.

All of Concacaf except for Mexico and the US should play a mini tournament to qualify to play with the rest of Conmebol. Then u must divide them into groups b/c they will be too many countries to keep the current format.

My biggest complaint about the current format where every team play against each other is the length of it, I mean seriously dudes, we would begin playing nexct year already, that does not allow a process for teams developing a new identity or revamping their lineups, but even worst is the fact that because it takes so long Copa America becomes a meaningless tourney cuz most teams rather save themselves for the qualies.

All Conmebol + Mexico + USA + 2 more Concacaf teams to total 14 teams:

Divide them into 2 groups of seven where all play against each other and have the first 2 of each group automatically qualified and figure a way for the remaing teams to fight for 3 spots:

Group A: Brazil, Uruguay, USA, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Honduras
Group B: Argentina, Mexico, Paraguay, Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Costa Rica

1st, 2nd and 3rd places from each group qualify, and 4ths go to a playoff (home and away) to decide last spot.


seems fair.

[handofgod]

1: well ok, but still a bit far to call them bastards

2: yes he should, but he was most likely angry, thinking Boulahrouz had been tricked nto a red card and other skirmishes and being inexperienced in an inexperienced team he thought well i want to win and they dont play fair as well im just going on.

Van Bestian got what he deserved for being an arrogant prick. No Van Nistelrooy!!!!!

I guess he could have used dudes like Davids and Seedorf!!!

What an idiot. Now, that's a coach who needs to be fired yesterday!!!

[Liiinaaah]

FORZA PORTUGAL!!!! anyways I like your pic and your right it is getting hot in here!

heey! ok , n what if i say i'm only 14 ?!

i sad hot there not here:lol:

[NalboKuloRoto]

haha yeah i mean if heinze wouldve tackled like that in the half of the field it couldve been just a yellow card, but heinze being the last man before the goalie must mean it was deserved red card.

Just wanted to add two cents: I think Ayala was behind Heinze's line, even though he wasn't really participating of the play. Still Heinze could have being sent off. Indeed I wish he hadn't play at all, he lost Rafa Márquez for the first goal and never managed to shut off his side properly (Scaloni didn't help much either).

That said, the disallowed goal at the end of regulation was valid so in a way the ref evened it out. I think he sucked but didn't really help any of the teams.

It was a great showing by Mexico -they played by far their best game of the tournament and could have won it. For some reason we always get the best out of them -not a good thing for us I guess... maybe our slow passing style (especially when Riquelme is in control) is easier to neutralize for other latino teams than for more physical european teams. Just a guess.

Even though Aimar is definitely quicker and more active than Riquelme, I'm not sure if he should be the starter. When Aimar came in I got bad memories of the 2002 team -lightning quick but always missing the last thread. Plus I don't think we can -or should even try to- outrun Germany, so I'd keep Riquelme and hope he's got a better day.

[caruiz93]

argeintina was not really pressuring and let mexico play like they wanted.they better not do this against germany because germany is really agressive and they are not afraid to take shots from really far away.i think that if argentina doesnt pressure against germany,germany will easily win.if argentina wants to win the really have to make their players count.i mean against mexico riquelma practically never showed up.

[unam_mx]

This loss sucks on so many levels...


I know we played well and and so on, but man Im tired of that crap.Im tired of losing and leaving a good impression, we've done that many times already.We need to get over that and go beyond that.Not just play well and leave a good impression but on top of it win.That's all that matters in the end and we always come up short.I agree we played well enough to win but we didnt and thats all there is to it.Our WC performance was still a joke, we played only one good game which was our last one and we lost it.We dont know how to defend leads, against Iran they tied us up withing like 10 minutes and against Argentina it took even less.Everything fell into perfect place after that early goal yet we couldnt take advantage of it, withing 3 minutes we had thrown our lead away.We aint ever going to do anything playing like that.

This game we played well, and talent made the difference so it doesnt hurt as much...but the overall performance of Mexico against Angola, Portugal, and even Iran was a joke.Hopefully our U-17 kids are our golden generation cause Im sick and tired of not getting out of the second round.