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Toke-E-Yo
03-11-2006, 08:34 PM
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Former Yugoslav leader
Slobodan Milosevic, the so-called "butcher of the Balkans" being tried for war crimes after orchestrating a decade of bloodshed that killed 250,000 people and broke up his country, was found dead Saturday in his prison cell. He was 64.
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Milosevic, who suffered chronic heart ailments and high blood pressure, apparently died of natural causes and was found in his bed, the U.N. tribunal said, without giving an exact time of death.

He had been examined following frequent complaints of fatigue or ill health that delayed his trial, but the tribunal could not immediately say when his last medical checkup was. All detainees at the center in Scheveningen are checked by a guard every half hour.

The tribunal said Milosevic's family had been informed of his death, which came nearly five years after he was arrested, then extradited to
The Hague.

Chief U.N. war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte said she regretted Milosevic's death because she believed she would have won his conviction.

"I also regret it for the victims, the thousands of victims, who have been waiting for justice," Del Ponte told German-language Swiss Television DRS while visiting her native Switzerland.

His wife, Mirjana Markovic, who was often accused of being the power behind the scenes during her husband's autocratic rule, has been in self-imposed exile in Russia since 2003. His son, Marko, also lives in Russia, and his daughter, Marija, lives in Montenegro.

Borislav Milosevic, who lives in Moscow, blamed the U.N tribunal for causing his younger brother's death by refusing him medical treatment in Russia.

"All responsibility for this lies on the shoulders of the international tribunal. He asked for treatment several months ago, they knew this," he told The Associated Press. "They drove him to this as they didn't want to let him out alive."

Milosevic asked the court in December to let him go to Moscow for treatment. But the tribunal refused, despite assurances from Russia that Milosevic would return to finish his trial.

The White House said it was waiting for more information.

"We have seen the news that Slobodan Milosevic has died in his prison in The Hague," spokesman Blair Jones said. "We do not have all the details yet."

U.S. State Department acting spokesman Tom Casey said "the tribunal will be looking into the circumstances" of Milosevic's death.

The tribunal said it would conduct a full inquiry, including an autopsy on Sunday and toxicological examination. A pathologist from Serbia-Montenegro will observe the autopsy.

But Borislav Milosevic said his family does not trust the U.N. tribunal to conduct that autopsy impartially.

Slobodan Milosevic has been on trial since February 2002, defending himself against 66 counts of crimes, including genocide, in Croatia, Bosnia and
Kosovo. He was the first sitting head of state ever to be indicted for such crimes.

He was accused of orchestrating a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing against non-Serbs during the collapse of the Yugoslav federation — his attempt to link Serbia with Serb-dominated areas of Croatia and Bosnia to create a new Greater Serbia.

Supporters in Milosevic's homeland declared his death a "huge loss," while citizens of Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo said his death brought some justice to his victims.

"Finally, we have some reason to smile. God is fair," said Hajra Catic, who heads an association of women that lost their loved ones in the 1995 massacre of 8,000 Muslims in the eastern Srebrenica enclave by Serb troops.

Milosevic spent much of the time granted for his defense fighting allegations of atrocities in Kosovo that took up just one-third of his indictment. He also faced charges of genocide in Bosnia for allegedly overseeing the Srebrenica slaughter — the worst massacre on European soil since World War II.

The trial was recessed last week to await his next defense witness. Milosevic also was waiting for a court decision on his request to subpoena former
President Clinton as a witness. He was due to complete his defense this summer.

The hundreds of witnesses included former U.S. Gen.
Wesley Clark, the
NATO commander during the Balkan wars. Milosevic also tried to subpoena former U.S. Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright, former German Chancellor Gerhard Shroeder and British Prime Minister
Tony Blair.

Steven Kay, a British attorney assigned to represent Milosevic, said Saturday the former Serb leader would not have fled and was not suicidal.

"He said to me: 'I haven't taken on all this work just to walk away from it and not come back. I want to see this case through,'" Kay told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Milosevic's death came less than a week after the star witness in his trial, former Croatian Serb leader Milan Babic, was found dead in the same prison. Babic, who was serving a 13-year prison sentence, committed suicide.

His testimony in 2002 described a political and military command structure headed by Milosevic in Belgrade that operated behind the scenes.

Milosevic's death will be a crushing blow to the tribunal and those looking to establish an authoritative historical record of the Balkan wars.

"Justice was late," said Hashim Thaci, the leader of ethnic Albanian insurgents against Milosevic's forces in 1998-1999 in Kosovo's capital, Pristina. "God took him."

Though the witness testimony is on public record, history will be denied the judgment of a panel of legal experts weighing the evidence of his personal guilt and the story of his regime.

"It is a pity he didn't live to the end of the trial to get the sentence he deserved," Croatian President Stipe Mesic said.

The
European Union said Milosevic's death does not absolve Serbia of responsibility to hand over other war crimes suspects.

The death "does not alter in any way the need to come to terms with the legacy of the Balkan wars," Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik, whose country holds the rotating EU president, said in Salzburg.

Milosevic, a figure of beguiling charm and cunning ruthlessness, was a master tactician who turned his country's defeats into personal victories and held onto power for 13 years despite losing four wars that shattered his nation and impoverished his people.

Milosevic led Serbia, the dominant Yugoslav republic, into four Balkan wars during the 1990s. The secret of his survival was his uncanny ability to exploit what less adroit figures would consider a fatal blow.

He once described himself as the "Ayatollah Khomeini of Serbia," assuring his prime minister, Milan Panic, that "the Serbs will follow me no matter what." For years, they did — through wars that dismembered Yugoslavia and plunged what was left of the country into social, political, moral and economic ruin.

But in the end, his people abandoned him: first in October 2000, when he was unable to convince the majority of Yugoslavs that he had staved off electoral defeat by his successor,
Vojislav Kostunica, and again on April 1, 2001, when he surrendered after a 26-hour standoff to face criminal charges stemming from his ruinous rule.

Bosnia also has sued Serbia, accusing it of genocide in the first case of a country standing trial for humanity's worst crime.

Milosevic was born Aug. 20, 1941, in Pozarevac, a drab factory town in central Serbia best known as the home of one of the country's most notorious prisons.

His father was a defrocked Orthodox priest and sometime teacher of Russian. His mother also was a teacher. Both committed suicide.

In high school, he met his future wife, the daughter of a wartime communist partisan hero. Markovic also was the niece of Davorjanka Paunovic, private secretary and mistress of Josip Broz Tito, the communist guerrilla leader who seized power in Yugoslavia at the end of World War II.

Milosevic became president of Serbia in 1989 elections widely considered rigged. His rise alarmed the other peoples of former Yugoslavia — Slovenes, Croats, Macedonians, Albanians and others — who feared that the hard-line nationalist would allow Serbs to dominate the country.

In 1991, Croatia and Slovenia declared their independence from Yugoslavia. Milosevic sent tanks to Slovenian borders, triggering a brief war that ended in Slovenia's secession.

Serbs in Croatia, encouraged by Milosevic, took up arms. Milosevic sent the Serb-led Yugoslav army to intervene, triggering a conflict that left at least 10,000 people dead and hundreds of Croatian villages and towns devastated before a U.N.-patrolled cease-fire was arranged in January 1992.

Three months later, Bosnia-Herzegovina declared its independence, too. Milosevic bankrolled the Bosnian Serb rebellion, triggering an even bigger war that killed an estimated 200,000 people before a U.S.-brokered peace agreement was reached at Dayton, Ohio, in 1995.

During those conflicts, Yugoslavia was ostracized worldwide, and the United States called Milosevic "the butcher of the Balkans." Strict international sanctions and government mismanagement devastated the economy and left its people impoverished.

At Dayton, Milosevic accepted a deal abandoning Croatia's rebel Serbs, who were driven from their homes when the Croatian army recaptured almost all the land the Serbs had seized there in 1991.

The Dayton agreement also meant giving up the nationalist goal of a Serb state in Bosnia. Nevertheless, it bought Milosevic time and transformed his image from Balkan villain to benign peacemaker.

Milosevic's term as Serbian president ended in 1997 and the constitution prevented him from running again. However, he exploited loopholes to have parliament name him president of Yugoslavia, which then included only the republics of Serbia and Montenegro.

It was the thorny problem of Kosovo, the majority Albanian province that served as his springboard to power, which finally set the stage for his downfall. In February 1998, Milosevic sent troops to crush an ethnic Albanian uprising there.

The United States and its allies responded with sanctions. In 1999, after Milosevic refused to sign a Western-dictated peace agreement at Rambouillet, France, NATO conducted 78 days of punishing airstrikes against Yugoslavia.

Milosevic refused to back down and instead ordered his troops to crack down on Kosovo Albanians even harder. More than 800,000 Albanians fled into neighboring Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia before Milosevic finally accepted a peace plan and handed over the province to the
United Nations and NATO in June 1999.

Before the conflict ended, the U.N. tribunal indicted Milosevic and four of his top aides for war crimes and crimes against humanity allegedly committed in Kosovo. Later, they broadened the charges against him to include genocide.

As a old era fades, unforuntaly, a new one will begin.

BRISTOLUK
03-11-2006, 08:35 PM
I'm glad I live at 91.:lol:

ulster21
03-11-2006, 09:14 PM
R.I.P. Milosevic

Gerasim
03-11-2006, 09:20 PM
The real criminals are the UN and The Hague Tribunal

R.I.P Milosevic

Bosnian Unit
03-11-2006, 09:21 PM
Milosevic's legacy of discord


By Tim Judah
Balkans analyst


Slobodan Milosevic was once dubbed by the Western media "the butcher of the Balkans".

Thousands died in the wars Slobodan Milosevic started, and lost
In one of his early speeches, in 1988, before hundreds of thousands of Serbs, he declaimed: "We enter every battle... with the aim of winning it."

But, in the end, the Serbs lost all their wars. They lost in Croatia, in Bosnia and in Kosovo.

The Croatian war claimed some 20,000 lives, the Bosnian war 100,000 and the Kosovo war some 10,000.

Millions of lives were shattered. The region is still far from overcoming the legacies of the wars, which he was so instrumental in starting.

And yet, to judge from the reactions from across the region, few are happy that Milosevic has gone. Indeed, there is anger. And this is understandable.

Saint or sinner

Since 2001, Milosevic has been in court at the Yugoslav war crimes tribunal in The Hague. His trial was nearing its end. His death means that he has escaped judgement.

Now there will never be a judgement from outside the region, which former Yugoslavs might one day be able to look to as impartial

This single fact is a tragedy. It means that, for some, Milosevic will remain a virtual saint, who set out to save the Serbs from their enemies - while for others he will remain a force for evil who destroyed Yugoslavia and set out to commit genocide.

His death means that now there will never be a judgement from outside the region, which former Yugoslavs might one day be able to look to as impartial.

In the region though, and in the short term, the passing of Slobodan Milosevic will make little difference.

Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro and to a lesser extent other parts of the former Yugoslavia, are all still struggling with the legacies of the Yugoslav wars.

The international status of Kosovo and Montenegro remains to be settled, quite apart from the long-term devastating economic fallout of conflict.

Martyr claim

Milosevic was not, contrary to what many believe, a nationalist. He was a political opportunist.


Slobodan Milosevic's contribution to history will forever be disputed
Ever since his fall in 2000, he has also been a figure from the past. He no longer had any significant political influence in Serbia or the rest of the Balkans.

Some of his former political allies will certainly seek to capitalise on his death, by claiming him as a political martyr.

They are already pointing out that the tribunal recently refused to let him go to Moscow for medical treatment.

Indeed, as Ivica Dacic, a leader of Mr Milosevic's now tiny Socialist Party of Serbia has said: "It is of major importance for the future of our country that through his defence and the fact he died without being convicted, Milosevic had managed to defend national and state interests."

Shock today

Many Serbs may reflect though that their country remains impoverished thanks to his policies - and soon Kosovo, which they regard as the cradle of their history and culture will probably be awarded its independence, against Serbia's wishes.

Slobodan Milosevic shaped the lives and times of all of the people of the former Yugoslavia. But his time was gone.

Today they will be in shock. Tomorrow will be life as normal.

But, his death means his legacy will be forever disputed and always a potential source of discord between former enemies.

philipas
03-12-2006, 01:34 AM
The real criminals are the UN and The Hague Tribunal

R.I.P Milosevic are you serious?

didn't the serbian people boot him out of office and send him to the hague?

Pape
03-12-2006, 01:41 AM
Surely Milosevic was a bad man, surely there are people just as bad as him that will never be brought to justice and surely it was not his intentions maybe partially but not as big as it is believed that led to our wars.

And when Bosnian Unit is agreeing with the Western Media, surely they are doing something right to make us think a certain way.

Bosnian Unit
03-12-2006, 03:03 AM
Surely Milosevic was a bad man, surely there are people just as bad as him that will never be brought to justice and surely it was not his intentions maybe partially but not as big as it is believed that led to our wars.

And when Bosnian Unit is agreeing with the Western Media, surely they are doing something right to make us think a certain way.

Like i said on Bosnian forum, in this case i agree becouse i sow with my own eys what this guy and those loyal to him were doing in my country.

But when i say Western media or propaganda i mostly think of American media/propaganda. Becouse its like they own the West, and whatever CNN says, it have to be true and most people there are brainwashed and belive in that. Wich is sad by the way !! But that link i posted is from www.bbc.co.uk so its British :))...

P.S. One thing is for sure, he didnt die just like that. Just 6 days ago another Serb died in prison there. Milosevic knew too much and he had to die. Plus all this talks about Kosovo getting independent, Bosnia sueing Serbia for agression etc.. Dead mouth cant talk, Alija and Tudjman cant say anything and im sure Milosevic took a lot of truth with him in his grave.

Pape
03-12-2006, 03:21 AM
I mean dont get mad at me, but I just want the truth to be known and I will post you some stuff after I find facts and its nothing defending Milosevic because I dont give a damn about him.

Napred_Plavi
03-12-2006, 04:42 AM
R.i.p.

Milosevic

EASports
03-12-2006, 06:03 AM
good riddance to the sranje

Gerasim
03-12-2006, 10:33 AM
are you serious?

didn't the serbian people boot him out of office and send him to the hague?

The only thing I blame Milosevic for was being a bad leader

He won my respect for fighting that ridiculous Den Hague Tribunal,
He made them look like ***kin monkeys
Despite investing Millions of dollars into the investigation ,
they couldn't do anything to prove him wrong,

I never was a Milosevic supporter, but he won my respect by fighting that corrupt UN tribunal, and he succeeded on that by proving them wrong

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9601/srbija3dp.gif (http://imageshack.us)

SiN
03-12-2006, 11:16 AM
no comment

Gerasim
03-12-2006, 11:34 AM
no comment

That's what that Ugly Carla Del Ponte Monster is saying all the time
She has been asked a lot of difficult questions regarding the whole situation,
All she says is whe need Mladic and Karadcic for more evidence


SERBIA WILL NEVER HAND THEM OVER NOW TO THAT MONKEYS IN THE HAGUE!!!!!!!:kiss:

purger
03-12-2006, 01:06 PM
:whoo: :drum:

Saraj Fanático
03-12-2006, 02:32 PM
Milosevic was on 66 charges of genocide. He couldn't possibly be pleaded innocent. Why? Well because his group odf retarded cetnik's videotaped shooting dead 8 muslim's. They also video tapoed shooting building's where people lived. I can show you the tapes if you like, but I won't since many may find it hurtful.

Milosevic was in no position of defending himself. The hauge had too much evidance presented against him. How would he justify the sebrenica tape where it show's Cetnik pussies dragging young boy's to the groud to shoot? WHat would he say? "Oh they are just playing, "Kill the hostage"?


Milosevic, ENJOY YOUR STAY IN HELL.

philipas
03-12-2006, 04:05 PM
The only thing I blame Milosevic for was being a bad leader oh, is that all...that's just an insignificant thing is it?

like that article from bbc said he caused a lot of damage to serbia and the region

He won my respect for fighting that ridiculous Den Hague Tribunal, yes I agree, it was ridiculous, especially coz it took too long to reach a verdict... they won't be making that mistake again, I bet you.

He made them look like ***kin monkeys
Despite investing Millions of dollars into the investigation ,
they couldn't do anything to prove him wrong,

I never was a Milosevic supporter, but he won my respect by fighting that corrupt UN tribunal, and he succeeded on that by proving them wrong I don't understand what you mean exactly here...

Going back to the bbc article, as it said, he wasn't a true nationalist, he tried to wipe out many fellow serbs who opposed him, he was a political opportunist, an ol'style tyrant, someone who cared about himself not his people....I mean come on, while serbs were trying to find jobs and put food on the table, he set up a bloody theme park (bambi-park) and ruled the country like a mafia operation with his cronies...but hey he was "just" a bad leader...:rolleyes:

PS: and this is just some of the damage he caused and please do not take a judgement on milosevic as a judgement on all serbs.

Sandro1
03-12-2006, 04:12 PM
philipas you dont have to make serbs better then they are, you can not make them dislike their "Hero" Milosevic, now and the fact is that mostly All serbians still love milosevic, even today, i dont know if greeks still support him after all that shit he did..

but we know he was a criminal, who did genocide and wars, and takes so many of inoccent peoples life all over Yugoslavia,
Yet Serbs like him and yet he is a "hero" for them but thats not like you greeks didn´t support milosevic,
you supported him too i know very well that the greek goverment has allways supported milosevic and his goverment, even when no one in world liked nor supported milosevic wars, still the Russia and Greece were on his side...sad but thats true,:sad:

but in the end serbs lost all their wars, and ecactly this man "milosevic" which serbs thought he was good and their "hero" he did even worser for serbia then others, while he cut all the lines with all the rest of the world, unless Russia or greece..cuz of same slaves/orthodox

He maded Serbia to an destroyed poor land, even he did destroyed Bosnia too and Kosovo, yet he did worst for his own country, Now serbia does not even have so much friends, and is far away joining Eu, plus they lost all wars, Croatia and Bosnia get their independece, and so will Kosovo too, Even their same ppl Montenegro wont live with them and want independece, the only hope for Serbia now will be if even Vojvodina wish their independece anytime...

Gerasim
03-12-2006, 05:35 PM
You moron,
Most serbs don't think Milosevic is a hero, like you are saying

Philipas,
I never said Milosevic was a hero, I saw the BBC reportage too,
And I also said I only blame him for being a bad leader,
nothing more , nothing less
He saw a chance to be a leader, and he took that chance with open arms

PALESTINO
03-12-2006, 08:15 PM
he's a criminal.ETHNIC CLEANSING...that says it all

Pape
03-12-2006, 08:49 PM
All three sides were agressors. All three sides commited ethnic cleansing. The war generals protected their people and killed the others. To their people they are heros to the others they are war criminals.

Bosnia was viewed in this war by the media as the victim. Either side could have been viewed by the media as the victim and today we might be talking differently if they did. Alija is a terrorist who supported a all-islamic government as he has stated in his books. He worked with Iran and other middle eastern countries and the US to bring those terrorists in the country.

Muslims burned churches, Christians burned mosques. Western media showed christians burning mosques, it is easier to make the minorty which were muslims seem like the only victim for the media. I don't see Serbs here defending Milosevic and his ethnic cleansing, but I see some Bosnians supporting Alija and his ethnic cleansing.

Gerasim
03-12-2006, 09:41 PM
he's a criminal.ETHNIC CLEANSING...that says it all

Bosnians ethnically cleansed serbs and croats from Bosnia

Croats did the same to the serbs in Srpska Krajina

It's partially Milosevic's fault, but you can't blame all this on just one man

Bosnian Unit
03-12-2006, 10:20 PM
All three sides were agressors. All three sides commited ethnic cleansing. The war generals protected their people and killed the others. To their people they are heros to the others they are war criminals.

Bosnia was viewed in this war by the media as the victim. Either side could have been viewed by the media as the victim and today we might be talking differently if they did. Alija is a terrorist who supported a all-islamic government as he has stated in his books. He worked with Iran and other middle eastern countries and the US to bring those terrorists in the country.

Muslims burned churches, Christians burned mosques. Western media showed christians burning mosques, it is easier to make the minorty which were muslims seem like the only victim for the media. I don't see Serbs here defending Milosevic and his ethnic cleansing, but I see some Bosnians supporting Alija and his ethnic cleansing.


Bullshit

In RS today population is 85% Serb, but before war there was more then a 1.000.000 ( million) Bosniaks and Croats living there. RS is 49% of Bosnian teritory, and today there lives 1.200.000 people and 85% of those are Serbs.

While in Federation of Bosnia & Herzegovina you have 2.500.000 people wich is 51% of Bosnian terotory, and there Bosniaks are 80% of population and rest is Serbs and Croats.

Bosniaks citys before war Banja Luka,Bijeljina,Srebrenica,Foca etc... TODAY 90% OF POPULATION IN THESE CITYS ARE SERBS. WHO FORCE OUT MUSLIMS FROM THERE ? WHO WAS AGRESSOR ? WAS BOSNIAKS AGRESSORS BECOUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES ?

If Serbs where not agresors then why they attacked Sarajevo, and Sarajevo was under siege most of the war. Why they wanted to conquer that city so bad were is 70% of population Bosniaks/Muslims ? How about Srebrenica where was 80% Bosniaks population, or Visegrad 70% Bosnian population.
Even Banja Luka 60% Bosniak population and Bijeljina 55% Bosniak population.

If Serbs where not agresors then why in the hell THEY ATTACK CITYS WHERE MAJORITY IS MUSLIMS, AND THEY FORCE THEM OUT OF THOSE CITYS AND TODAY ONLY SERBS LIVE THERE ?


Here is what Radovan Karadzic a war criminal said before war in Bosnia !!

..."the road to which you want to take Bosnia and Herzegovina is the same highway of hell which Slovenia and Croatia took. Don't think you won't take Bosnia and Herzegovina to hell and the Muslims into extinction... Muslims can't defend themselves if there is war here"... (Karadžić speaking at the Bosnian parliament, March 4, 1992)


Statements by Biljana Plavšić. Biljana Plavšić, the highest-ranking Serbian politician from the former Yugoslavia who pleaded guilty to a single charge of crimes against humanity and expressed "full remorse" in exchange for prosecutors dropping seven other war crimes charges, including two counts of genocide.

Plavšić's statement, read in her native Serbian, repeated her admission of guilt. It said she had refused to believe stories of atrocities against Bosniaks and Croatians and accepted without question the claims that Serbs were fighting for survival.

"I have now ... accepted that many thousands of innocent people were the victims of organized, systematic efforts from the territory claimed by Serbs...The knowledge that I'm responsible for such human suffering and for soiling the character of my people will always be with me." she said.


The siege of Sarajevo was the longest siege in the history of modern warfare. It lasted from April 5, 1992 to February 29, 1996. It was fought between the forces of the Bosnian government, who had declared independence from Yugoslavia, and the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) and various Serbian paramilitaries, who sought to secede from the newly-independent Bosnia-Herzegovina. An estimated 12,000 people were killed and another 50,000 wounded during the siege. Reports indicate an average of approximately 329 shell impacts per day during the course of the siege, with a high of 3,777 shell impacts on July 22, 1993. The shellfire caused extensive damage to the city's structures, including civilian and cultural property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_Massacre

With all respect for you man dont give me that bullshit.

Here is just something: Slovenia,Croatia then Bosnia & Herzegovina declear independence and Serbia & Monenegro declear war on these independent nations. Why ? So its obvious Serbia started all this shit, and they where agresors. If Serbs didnt attack these nations there will be no war, they would be just independent nations and good neigboors. Something like Czech republic and Slovakia , they seperete from each other but they didnt fight.

But Serbia wanted great Serbian state, thats was the problem.

Pape
03-12-2006, 10:53 PM
No dont give me your bullshit. I know for example just one village Vozuca where my dad grew up was forced out of their homes and had to evacuvate to the RS. The Bosnian army came in there and burned down all of the churches and all their houses and a monastary. Go there today and you will see 500 foundations of Serb homes.

Than my home city Zavidovici, it used to be 40% Bosnian and like 30% Serb and 30% Croat now its like 95% Bosnian and 2% Arab and 3% other. What have you got to say about that? And those are only cases close to me.

Than you go on to say that Alija supported a Bosnian/Serb/Croat government. Pure utter bullshit. My Dad and my Croat neighboor were forced to go away from home to dig trenches for the Bosnian army not fight for it, not that they would have fought for any side. You and you little BS.

Than the Bosnian part of Sarajevo held under siege, yes that is true but the Serbian and Croatian halfs weren't shot at by the Bosnian army? Pure bullshit. In Sarajevo the Bosnian army violated 19 cease fires, if they wanted to end it so easy and if they were the only ones being tortured so bad than why would they keep fighting?

Here is just something: Slovenia,Croatia then Bosnia & Herzegovina declear independence and Serbia & Monenegro declear war on these independent nations. Why ? So its obvious Serbia started all this shit, and they where agresors. If Serbs didnt attack these nations there will be no war, they would be just independent nations and good neigboors. Something like Czech republic and Slovakia , they seperete from each other but they didnt fight.

But Serbia wanted great Serbian state, thats was the problem.

BS, the reason we had a war is because the United States urged Bosnia to declare independence at the wrong time with the wrong man. All of Europe knew that declaring Bosnia independent at that time would not be a peaceful negotiation but America wanted to come in and screw it up for some of their interests, and I have a theory on why but I won't hurt your feelings. And declaring independence with a man that want a 100% islamic government in a country that is 2/3 serb is never a good idea.

Than again, the first blood shed in the war was Serb blood in Sarajevo. Don't give me your BS radical views. And quit playing the victim, it might the only reason why the Serbs still hate you today.

Gerasim
03-12-2006, 11:44 PM
It's true what FK Krivaja says,

Bosniaks got the full support of US, because US wanted to have a good reputation with Saudi arabia, by giving the muslim bosniaks support, they got more respect of the muslim country's

Bosnian Unit
03-13-2006, 12:44 AM
No dont give me your bullshit. I know for example just one village Vozuca where my dad grew up was forced out of their homes and had to evacuvate to the RS. The Bosnian army came in there and burned down all of the churches and all their houses and a monastary. Go there today and you will see 500 foundations of Serb homes.

Than my home city Zavidovici, it used to be 40% Bosnian and like 30% Serb and 30% Croat now its like 95% Bosnian and 2% Arab and 3% other. What have you got to say about that? And those are only cases close to me.

Than you go on to say that Alija supported a Bosnian/Serb/Croat government. Pure utter bullshit. My Dad and my Croat neighboor were forced to go away from home to dig trenches for the Bosnian army not fight for it, not that they would have fought for any side. You and you little BS.

Than the Bosnian part of Sarajevo held under siege, yes that is true but the Serbian and Croatian halfs weren't shot at by the Bosnian army? Pure bullshit. In Sarajevo the Bosnian army violated 19 cease fires, if they wanted to end it so easy and if they were the only ones being tortured so bad than why would they keep fighting?



BS, the reason we had a war is because the United States urged Bosnia to declare independence at the wrong time with the wrong man. All of Europe knew that declaring Bosnia independent at that time would not be a peaceful negotiation but America wanted to come in and screw it up for some of their interests, and I have a theory on why but I won't hurt your feelings. And declaring independence with a man that want a 100% islamic government in a country that is 2/3 serb is never a good idea.

Than again, the first blood shed in the war was Serb blood in Sarajevo. Don't give me your BS radical views. And quit playing the victim, it might the only reason why the Serbs still hate you today.

Does it look i give a shit who hates me ?

True Bosnians did some shit too, but im talking about more then a 1.000.000 (million) none Serbs, wich mean Bosniaks and Croats mainly forced out of their own homes from teritory wich is now mainly populated by Serbs.

And im talking about more then 1.000 mosques burned in cities or villiges where Serbs where majority. And after all even today they dont want us too rebuild those mosques !! Just one example, in city of Banja Luka where Bosniaks where majority before war and now is populated 90% by Serbs !!

Here you go:

The mosque was partially demolished by explosives on May 7, 1993. and subsequently razed to the ground. The first bombing of the mosque was carried out by Serb extreme nationalists at the time believed to be supported by the authorities of Republika Srpska as part of ethnic cleansing campaign which was proven by ICTY in the Radoslav Brđanin judgement. The subsequent demolition was organized by the authorities of the Republika Srpska which included the demolition of the entire Ferhadija complex. The remains were taken to the city dump while some stone pieces and ornamental details were crushed and used as a landfill. The leveled site was later used as a parking lot. Several weeks after the destruction of Ferhadija a near-by clock tower Sahat-Kula was also destroyed. Ferhadija mosque was one of the 16 mosques destroyed in the city of Banja Luka during the Bosnian War in 1992-1995


And in 2001 we want to rebuild that, here is what happend :

A building permit was granted in 2001 to the Islamic Community of Banja Luka (Islamska Zajednica Banjaluke) to reconstruct the mosque. However, recent attempts to reconstruct the Ferhadija mosque resulted in mass riots by Serb nationalists on May 7, 2001. Some 4,000 Serb rioters stoned a group of three hundred Bosniaks, participants of the ceremony comemorating the laying of the cornerstone for the reconstruction, at least eight of whom were taken to the Banja Luka hospital for medical treatment. One of the Bosniaks died on May 26, 2001 of head injuries. The ceremony of placing the cornerstone was completed few days later in secrecy and under a heavy security. Although some of the mosques destroyed in Banja Luka in the period of the Bosnian War were reconstructed since 2001, the reconstruction process of the Ferhadija mosque is still a very contentious issue in Banja Luka due to its prominent location in the city. Its reconstruction is further delayed due to the unresolved complexities of its authentic reconstruction. Preliminary studies for its authenthic reconstruction have been prepared by the School of Architecture - Design and Research Center in Sarajevo. The reconstruction cost is estimated to be about 12 million KM (around $8 million). The site and remains of the architectural ensemble of the Ferhadija mosque is today listed as a National Monument of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferhadija

Imigies from the riots:

Young Serbs with Chetnik flag !!
http://www.ferhadija.com/0705images/2.jpg

Bosniaks cars where burned..
http://www.ferhadija.com/0705images/1.jpg

And buses,
http://www.ferhadija.com/0705images/3.jpg

And this was in 2001, just becouse we wanted to rebuild a mosque !!



Some of the camps, where thousands and thousands Bosniaks and Croats where held by Serbs during war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarska_camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manja%C4%8Da_camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trnopolje_camp

Some of the mass graves in Bosnia, where Serbs killed thousands of people...This happend mostly in Eastern Bosnia around Srebrenica !!

http://www.medienkritikonline.com/srebrenica.jpg

Serb walking by killed Bosniaks/Muslims in Srebrenica !!
http://img.stern.de/_content/54/29/542907/Sreb500_500.jpg

No comment !!
http://xs37.xs.to/pics/05281/srebrenica2.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/07/12/wsreb12.jpg

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2005/07/12/mn_srebrenica105.jpg

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00151/massegravmeny_151963c.jpg

Just imagine...
http://www.foto-friends.com/images/fotoprojekt/srebrenica_01.jpg

So please dont talk bullshit, when we all know what happend. But just becouse you did all this and you cant denie it, now you want everyone to be the same, like everyone did the same thing.

Like i said im not saying our people didnt do anything, but not even close what Serbs did.

And still Serbs are PROUD OF SREBRENICA, AND WHAT THEY DID THERE....THIS IS WHAT THEIR FANS DO WHEN THEY PLAY FOOTBALL AGAINST OUR CLUBS, OR BOSNIAN NATIONAL TEAM.

NOZ,ZICA,SREBRENICA...wich means KNIFE,WIRE,SREBRENICA !!

http://www.vlasenica.info/Slike/Noz%20zica%20Srebrenica%20-%20Sramota.jpg



So even your peole are proud of how many Bosniaks they killed... Now what are you trying to say ?

Bosanac
03-13-2006, 12:49 AM
Milosevic was killed, to have the Genocide case abandoned

That troubled nation do anything to hurt Bosnia. Little do they know, they killed their own. One who their survival depend on.

Centarfor9
03-13-2006, 01:35 AM
He deserved death penalty .... but universe tends to balance its self

alchemist
03-13-2006, 09:15 AM
Milosevic has been accused of being a communist, a fascist, a nationalist etc... but he wasn't really any of them, he simply assumed those poses to further political ends... and those political ends were a disaster for Serbia

DedinjeDisciple
03-14-2006, 02:45 PM
r.i.p Zoran Djindjic

Sol_Badguy79
03-18-2006, 03:33 PM
r.i.p Zoran Djindjic

Exactly, its a shame no one else has mentioned the anniversary of the death of a good man, who tried to fight organised crime, and corruption.

CroatD
03-18-2006, 10:26 PM
Im glad slobo is dead. To bad 20 years to late tho.