Croatian Pride!!!

[los_ches]

I finally understand that passion so many Croatian fans talk about when it comes to playing for Croatia.....man no Croatian would ever choose Croatia over any other.I respect that...;)

Check out this link and you haters will understand!!!:smoking:
http://www.wldcup.com/news/2006Mar/20060308_35052_world_soccer.html

[thecolourofslee]

he isn't even croatian, i really hate how players do that.
josip simunic did the same for you lot aswell, born in australia, made into the player he is through the AIS academy, then just ***ks off to play for a stronger nation, absolute bollocks.

[philipas]

did you read the article? argentina didn't give him an opportuntiy, croatia may, so why not play for your ancestral homeland? happens all the time, many australians have represented other countries in sports...

[Ero]

he isn't even croatian, i really hate how players do that.
josip simunic did the same for you lot aswell, born in australia, made into the player he is through the AIS academy, then just ***ks off to play for a stronger nation, absolute bollocks.

those guys are both croatian so why cant they play for Croatia

[kewell_RuLeS.]

hahaha croatia please!, they have to import players because they know they will lose to australia!.

welcome to croatia...... were if you come 3rd your a winner........hahaha.

[los_ches]

those guys are both croatian so why cant they play for Croatia

Nothing wrong with that, would have been nice if Simunic told us he was going to before he used our sporting facilties and coaches funded by tax payers money. That way we would have sent him straight to Croatia to fulfil his lifelong dream. But I'm sure you don't see that a deceptive...lolz. The other players who defected AUs to play for Croatia thats fair enough, they didnt get the opportunity to play for they country they wanted and Croatia offered them a chance or they always made it clear they wanted to play for Croatia. I'm sure lits ike the Italian Striker Camornesi who said its Just for FOOTBALL reasons!!!

[Ero]

hahaha croatia please!, they have to import players because they know they will lose to australia!.

welcome to croatia...... were if you come 3rd your a winner........hahaha.

australia has to rely on a team full of Croats to qualify, so dont diss Croatia

welcome to australia... where if you qualify once in 30+ years your the best team ever, right kewell hahaha

[josh79er]

He will soon find out he made a big mistake when Australia beat them to take the 2nd spot in there group, go aussies. The thing about Australia and sport is were passionate and when we get on the big stage, we perform. We like the underdog tag, thats the aussie spirit, Underdogs, will get that bone off the big dog, one way or another, bring on Brasil, japan and Croatia.
We won't win the cup but well make a few people sit back and give us the respect we deserve. In years to come we will hold that cup aloft. We have four types off Football in Australia, all great and the lastest passion is soccer, i'm all for the soccerroos name staying, it's part of who we are!!!! Can't wait for the cup!!!!

[CroatD]

australia has to rely on a team full of Croats to qualify, so dont diss Croatia

welcome to australia... where if you qualify once in 30+ years your the best team ever, right kewell hahaha
Hey ustasa dont bother with that idiot kewel, he knows nothing about soccer lol. Hes a complete fool and after croatia beats asut ( the half croatian team ) hes gonna cry the hole nite.

[kewell_RuLeS.]

Hey ustasa dont bother with that idiot kewel, he knows nothing about soccer lol. Hes a complete fool and after croatia beats asut ( the half croatian team ) hes gonna cry the hole nite.

yeah don't worry about me :smoking: i know i'm right :evil:
just wait until you complain about the ref's when australia kicks your ass come world cup time :clap2: :lol: you know it's coming!.

i smell fear from the croatian fans :crutch: :whip:

[Ero]

:lol: we will see what happens in the world cup:


Australia:
W-0
D-0
L-3
P-0
GF-0
GA-26

[josh79er]

Australia has to rely on a team full of Croats to qualify, so dont diss Croatia

welcome to australia... where if you qualify once in 30+ years your the best team ever, right kewell hahaha[/QUOTE]

hahahaha, what other sports you got croats, peasent shooting or something Australia is the greatest sporting nation in the world, when you take into account our population, we always do well and soccer is our next one, you can bet on us beating you croats thats for sure.
By the way all players in the Australian side are born in Australia, not like croatia, i hear as well as the australian born players in your team your trying to get a Argentian player, well if you don't have the players in your country you might as well try the heritage thing!!! You'll be the only one crying at the end Australia 2-1 Croatia

[josh79er]

jusr a quick one the argy won't be going to Croatia, he decided he wants to remain a true argy, so bad luuck croatia you will have to do without!!

[Ero]

hahahaha, what other sports you got croats, peasent shooting or something

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

okay lets see:
gold medal in 2004 for handball, and always top 5 in europe
Janica kostelic 4 golds 2 silvers and countless wins outside of the olympics in skiing
we have the best tennis team and players in the world
Joe sakic best hockey player in the nhl is 100% croat
roger marris who beat babe ruth's record was also 100% croat
And not to mention our basketball team and players like: drazen petrovic, toni kukoc, andrew bogut (not aussie), george mikan, george machale, gordan giricek and many other legends or hall of famers in all sorts of sports and we have an awesome waterpolo team too

and all that with about a 7-9 million populatin world wide

[davor_suker]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

okay lets see:
gold medal in 2004 for handball, and always top 5 in europe
Janica kostelic 4 golds 2 silvers and countless wins outside of the olympics in skiing
we have the best tennis team and players in the world
Joe sakic best hockey player in the nhl is 100% croat
roger marris who beat babe ruth's record was also 100% croat
And not to mention our basketball team and players like: drazen petrovic, toni kukoc, andrew bogut (not aussie), george mikan, george machale, gordan giricek and many other legends or hall of famers in all sorts of sports and we have an awesome waterpolo team too

and all that with about a 7-9 million populatin world wide

Dont forget tennis, davis cup champions :D

Whats wrong with you guys? "we're the underdog" then 'Croatia is crap" please we are talking Croatia vs a team that is full of Croatia rejects, thats right most would rather play for Croatia than Australia, because in 10 years theyve achieved more than Australia ever has - Best home record in world football (never lost a game...ever) bronze medal, euro qtrs...100% qualifying record in world cups...

And Josh the fact you bring up other sports and try to diss us (peasant shooting?) shows that you guys are scared.

Man we beat a full strength arg side with our b team defence, and dont just say it was a friendly because it was at a neutral venue and Peckerman himself even said it was important game. We drew Brazil and were unlucky not to win, we have handed big countries their asses at tournaments (ask ze germans ;) )

Keep dreaming Australia, your team of Croatia rejects, floundering in relegation battles with their clubs just might beat us...if youre lucky (very lucky ;) )

[josh79er]

Well, lets wait and see in a few months, huh!!!! You guys talk your shit, whatever, a team or croat rejects, Australia, are a f###king moron, they are all Australian born and bred, just cause they have croat heritage doesn't make them croatian. Your the ones with Aussie rejects on team.
Well I am a little worried after you beat Argentina, Argentina are a great team, well done. The will be your success for the year!!!
May the best team win. I don't hate you guys, hope you do well and finish third. By the way the best tennis players in the world are you crazy,

[Ero]

yeah we won the davis cup in 2005 and will this year too, Mario Ancic and Ivan Ljubicic are amazing players and considered some of the best players in the world and ofcourse our all time great goran Ivanisevic who in 1994 he was #2 in the world and he won wimbledon a few years back

[Ero]

they are all Australian born and bred, just cause they have croat heritage doesn't make them croatian.



yes it does they are born from croat parents raised with croatian traditions and most can speak croatian, with your statement only spanish ppl from spain are spanish and that only ppl from france are french and british ppl outside of england are not british

[kewell_RuLeS.]

yes it does they are born from croat parents raised with croatian traditions and most can speak croatian, with your statement only spanish ppl from spain are spanish and that only ppl from france are french and british ppl outside of england are not british

thats how it should be dickhead, if your not born in that country your not from that country are you?, your just a wanna be loser.:sad: :boo:

[Ero]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

okay lets see:
gold medal in 2004 for handball, and always top 5 in europe
Janica kostelic 4 golds 2 silvers and countless wins outside of the olympics in skiing
we have the best tennis team and players in the world
Joe sakic best hockey player in the nhl is 100% croat
roger marris who beat babe ruth's record was also 100% croat
And not to mention our basketball team and players like: drazen petrovic, toni kukoc, andrew bogut (not aussie), george mikan, george machale, gordan giricek and many other legends or hall of famers in all sorts of sports and we have an awesome waterpolo team too

and all that with about a 7-9 million populatin world wide

i forgot to mention our boxers and mirko cro cop filipovic one of the best kick boxers in the world
and Blanka vasic was a few cm off of beating a world record for the womens high jump

[Ero]

thats how it should be dickhead, if your not born in that country your not from that country are you?, your just a wanna be loser.:sad: :boo:

they are not born in croatia but they are croatian, no one is australian except for the aboriginee's all aussies were immigrants from other races and nationalities

[davor_suker]

Well, lets wait and see in a few months, huh!!!! You guys talk your shit, whatever, a team or croat rejects, Australia, are a f###king moron, they are all Australian born and bred, just cause they have croat heritage doesn't make them croatian. Your the ones with Aussie rejects on team.
Well I am a little worried after you beat Argentina, Argentina are a great team, well done. The will be your success for the year!!!
May the best team win. I don't hate you guys, hope you do well and finish third. By the way the best tennis players in the world are you crazy,

Aussie rejects on our team? Yeah Simunic the best defender in the bundesliga is a reject, they prefer Tony Vidmar huh? :lol:

I didnt say it makes them Croatian, but i can guarantee you most of those guys would play for Croatia if they had the chance.

I didnt say best tennis players in the world, but we are very close and we did win the davis cup. Anyway this shit about other sports is irrelevant, Australia is obviously better at Swimming than Brazil and America way better at athletics, but does that make them better than Brazil at football? No way.

[josh79er]

Ok you tool ssss!!!!
Australia is a the greatest country around, why the f####uck do you think so many of you croats came to move to Australia!!! Huh!!!???? I don't deny you have a good team, but did you just join this thread to stir shit, seems that way. You should be proud that Australians with croatian heritage are making it good in Australia!! yes we are a country founded on immigration but what country isn't???? Whats make us great is that we have all races,creeds your talk of the aussie players who have croat heritage not bieng Australian!! Viduka and otheres were offered to play for Croatia and they turned it down Cause they are born and breed Aussies. Yo haBLA ESPAÑOL Y ME GUSTA MUCHO SUDA AMERICAS,,Y MI NOVIA DE aRGENTINA, Y YO QUIERO VIVE EN aRGENTINA PERO ME CORAZON ES aUSTRALIANA, SIEMPRE.( i SPEAK SPANISH Y I LIKE SOUTH AMERICA AND MY GIRLFRIEND IS FROM Argentina, but my heart is Australian, ALWAYS)
So mate, stop the shit talk and lets just say may we all play well, and let the talk be done on the football pitch!!!! Us Australian are new to Soccer(football) Ifyou did't already know, before we made this world cup, we didn't consider Soccer a real football game( which is a shame, give us time and well be good, just stop talking your shit) We love sports and we have great athletes!!! I think you guys have done great to be such a power in Europe, without success you deserve, good luck but of course i want you to lose when you play us!!!! Were a great country and you know it, thats why so many croatians moved here!!!
Lets leave it at that hey boys, on paper you should beat us, but who would of thought the champions of the 98 world cup(France who have gone so bad in 2002)
So guys take achill pill and stop bagging Australia, soccer has been your number one sport for god knows how long in Australia, it's still outside the top five, so give us time and relise that we actually have good players, and we have the chance of surprising a few people, good luck, Go Aussies

[kewell_RuLeS.]

Aussie rejects on our team? Yeah Simunic the best defender in the bundesliga is a reject, they prefer Tony Vidmar huh? :lol:

I didnt say it makes them Croatian, but i can guarantee you most of those guys would play for Croatia if they had the chance.

I didnt say best tennis players in the world, but we are very close and we did win the davis cup. Anyway this shit about other sports is irrelevant, Australia is obviously better at Swimming than Brazil and America way better at athletics, but does that make them better than Brazil at football? No way.

ok i had to do this, australia shit's over croatia on the sporting field! in australias short history!

australia has won the most davies cups in history! thats tennis boys
we have had tripple the amount of top 10 playes croatia have had! maybe more
australia has won the most world cups in rugby !
australia has won the most world cups in rugby league ( still world champions!)
at the olympics we are always in the top 5 countrys going by medals won( wheres croatia? i can't see them? :lol: :Plane:
cricket world champions won the most world cups in history! still world champions
the best young basketballer in the world...... bogut!
bronze medal winning baseball team!
most world cups won in netball!
second best female basketball team in the world
touch football world champions male and female always have been!

shit if theres anymore sports i'm sure we have kicked ass at it at some point ! australia has now turned it's attention to soccer or football! watch out world we have proven we are born winners and born athletes , croatia's going down :smoking:


more people play these sports then your shit house handball! what a gay game!:drum:

[Ero]

you say handball is gay but say the aussies are world champs in TOUCH football, and are proud of your cricket team which is the worst sport in the world, and Bogut is croatian he even visited croatia before this season started and he speaks our language fluently and australia has 4 times more ppl than croatia has

[Ero]

Ok you tool ssss!!!!
Australia is a the greatest country around, why the f####uck do you think so many of you croats came to move to Australia!!! Huh!!!????

because they escaped communism after ww2 or moved their in the recent war as refugee's
Australia doesnt have a huge croat population yet half your soccer team and your #1 basketball player are all croat what does that tell you about us croats and you aussies

[josh79er]

That if given the chance you would all ***k off and leave that shit countery for the promise land any cahnce you gey, guess what the door is closed to you tools!!!

[davor_suker]

Ok you tool ssss!!!!
Australia is a the greatest country around, why the f####uck do you think so many of you croats came to move to Australia!!! Huh!!!????

Am i denying that? No. I live in Australia, it is the best country in the world and i love it here, i just support the Croatian team because i have loved football for years and when it was looked down upon in this country i follow the country of my family. I consider myself an Australian/Croatian. The Australia Uruguay game in Sydney gave me goosebumps, and it was one of the proudest moments of my life for Australia.




I don't deny you have a good team, but did you just join this thread to stir shit, seems that way. You should be proud that Australians with croatian heritage are making it good in Australia!! yes we are a country founded on immigration but what country isn't???? Whats make us great is that we have all races,creeds your talk of the aussie players who have croat heritage not bieng Australian!!

No, i dont. I say Croatian as in Croatian heritage. I am only defending the blood when you say Croatians are shit at football, when the Australian team relies on them so much.


Viduka and otheres were offered to play for Croatia and they turned it down Cause they are born and breed Aussies.

No, they werent. Bosnich was however and i note your point, I for one wouldnt do what Simunic did - if i wanted to play for Croatia i would either fully reimburse the AIS or not go there at all.


So mate, stop the shit talk and lets just say may we all play well, and let the talk be done on the football pitch!!!!

I have no problem with that. I do however have a problem with people such as kewell rules who have no idea what theyre talking about and just call Croatia shit for no reason - they obviously have a better team, you cant even deny that but i hope for a result which will benefit both teams. Just give Croatia the respect we deserve.


Us Australian are new to Soccer(football) Ifyou did't already know, before we made this world cup, we didn't consider Soccer a real football game( which is a shame, give us time and well be good, just stop talking your shit) We love sports and we have great athletes!!! I think you guys have done great to be such a power in Europe, without success you deserve, good luck but of course i want you to lose when you play us!!!! Were a great country and you know it, thats why so many croatians moved here!!!
Lets leave it at that hey boys, on paper you should beat us, but who would of thought the champions of the 98 world cup(France who have gone so bad in 2002)
So guys take achill pill and stop bagging Australia, soccer has been your number one sport for god knows how long in Australia, it's still outside the top five, so give us time and relise that we actually have good players, and we have the chance of surprising a few people, good luck, Go Aussies

Agreed. I for one will be supporting whoever needs the result the most.

[davor_suker]

ok i had to do this, australia shit's over croatia on the sporting field! in australias short history!

australia has won the most davies cups in history! thats tennis boys
we have had tripple the amount of top 10 playes croatia have had! maybe more
australia has won the most world cups in rugby !
australia has won the most world cups in rugby league ( still world champions!)
at the olympics we are always in the top 5 countrys going by medals won( wheres croatia? i can't see them? :lol: :Plane:
cricket world champions won the most world cups in history! still world champions
the best young basketballer in the world...... bogut!
bronze medal winning baseball team!
most world cups won in netball!
second best female basketball team in the world
touch football world champions male and female always have been!

shit if theres anymore sports i'm sure we have kicked ass at it at some point ! australia has now turned it's attention to soccer or football! watch out world we have proven we are born winners and born athletes , croatia's going down :smoking:


more people play these sports then your shit house handball! what a gay game!:drum:

Im pretty sure the USA have the most davis cups, but anyway.

IRRELEVANT.

Australia beats brazil in the pool, therefore theyre better on the football pitch or its only a matter of time before theyre better?

Cut the bullshit and pull your head out of your ass. You have no idea what you're on about. I bet you couldnt name the Australian team let alone the Croatian team.

[davor_suker]

That if given the chance you would all ***k off and leave that shit countery for the promise land any cahnce you gey, guess what the door is closed to you tools!!!

I thought you were going to cut the bullshit? Whats a countries economy got to do with football?

[josh79er]

Sorry, was spur of the moment, i was just pissed off with the constant bagging of Australia... on an Australian thread!
Look, thanks for your support of Aussies, we all know deep down, that Australia really are very much up against the wall. We don't mine though, part of the battle is playing great teams like Brasil and Croatia, and Japan aren't shit either.
Look lets put it this way, I think you guys have got a better team on paper but, we have some great players (Kewell, Viduka, schwarzer, who everyone knows) Then the likes of Cahill who is still so young and a big stage like the world cup could be his greatest piece.
Or we could totally flop!!!
Good luck to Croatia, I won't be that dissapointed if you beat us, cause i know you have a great team, but i think on the day anythings possible!! Anyways, who ever goes past is probably going to play Italy, omg how hard will that be???

[kewell_RuLeS.]

Im pretty sure the USA have the most davis cups, but anyway.

IRRELEVANT.

Australia beats brazil in the pool, therefore theyre better on the football pitch or its only a matter of time before theyre better?

Cut the bullshit and pull your head out of your ass. You have no idea what you're on about. I bet you couldnt name the Australian team let alone the Croatian team.


look you wanna be croatian!, your australian deal with it, stop hanging on to your parents land!, it's not yours!, stop trying to have the best of both worlds!, :rolleyes: :crazy:

i don't know what i'm talking about hey? i'm not a football fan? .
just because your a wanna be croatian doesn't give you the football facts !:crazy:, some of you guys think you have a devine right to know more or have a better team just because you have liked it longer! it's a load of shit!, can you see a change in australia's game from the confederation cup? :sad: a very different team, a much better team, which might upset your beloved croatia!, just wait and see.

[kewell_RuLeS.]

you say handball is gay but say the aussies are world champs in TOUCH football, and are proud of your cricket team which is the worst sport in the world, and Bogut is croatian he even visited croatia before this season started and he speaks our language fluently and australia has 4 times more ppl than croatia has

it's sad how you croatians have to rely on australians to have sporting success. hey you don't see the irish saying hey..... his great great grand father was irish he must be irish :lol:, he's not australian his irish damn it, we suck so we need him, losers :lol: .

yeah 10 times the amount of people around the world play cricket mate!.
handball.......... what a shit house sport.

we own you guys on the sporting field!, deal with it, now we have football in the sights.

[los_ches]

Croatia on paper are a better team than Australia, I give them that much. BUT I think there is a lot of bad blood between the teams which might make it a closer contest than people are saying it is. Wateva happens I'm pretty sure this game will be a one of the best games in the World Cup....Red cards Galore!!!lolz..

P.S-On a personal note, I'm an immigrant and the Socceroos are a proud reflection of our country. There is no greater pride for an immigrant than playing and winning for the country which took them in and gave them a chance for a new life. Please don't speak for all immigrants Croatian or otherwise and say they would have chosen their parents land of birth over Australia if given a chance as all thos players WANTED to play for Australia.

[josh79er]

I'm sure there will be fire works, galore, which i can't wait for.
Australia is founded on immigration which i think is a great thing,
I'm sure about what you say about immigrants wanting to play for the Country that has brought them new life, best example the greatest boxer pound for pound behind Ali. Kosta Zyu, what a champ, he was was such a great boxer... and he is a full on Aussie now with the BBQ, pool out the back and what not, hey I say no worries about anyone who moves to Australia and still follows there Home country or the country of the parents/grandparents, birth. Just please don't bag on the country that took you in, Good luck to all countries in the World Cup, I can't wait to see the sea of Gold. What is going to happen when Brasil and Australia play who is going to have to change colours???? I bet we will cause of brasils history of being so great! Anyone know???

[purger]

your shit house handball! what a gay game!:drum:

Calling one of dirrtiest sports a gay game just shows how inmature stupid kid you are ;)

BTW, you wannabe football fan, you still didn't answered me how many people are there on football pitch during a game???

You, who recently discovered what football really is, who, I can bet on that, has never been to football game yet, you are just one narrow minded, retard kid!

[purger]

Viduka and otheres were offered to play for Croatia and they turned it down Cause they are born and breed Aussies.

I'll tell you something what probably neither you or Davor knows ;)

Viduka was the only one who turned down the offer to play for Croatia. And belive it or not, he didn't turned it down 'cause Australia was the only country he'd love to play for. He was offered at time when Davor Suker and Alen Boksic were main striking force of Croatia with Goran Vlaovic as 1st substitute. If he accepted the offer,he would be 4th pick and player who would be future Cro starter but not current one, but he didn't like that. Add a fact to that that during that time,he started to get into conflicts with Bad Blue Boys, fans of Dinamo Zagreb,club he was playing for then, he simply turned it down.. If you can, explain me why, if Viduka so much likes Australia, why in the hell,he uses his summer break (european,when no leagues are playing) to rests on Adriatic coast on his yachte with Stjepan Tomas (cro defender)? That's well known fact...

Of the rest of "cro" players in Aussie teams, no one was offered to play for Croatia. News reporters were trying to add Skoko to croatian team when he was in Hajduk in few occasions but FA didn't officialy offered him anything.

Seric, on the other hand, was offered to play for Croatia when he played for Hajduk (his most beloved club) and was taken to France 98 as future prospect but eventually he didn't reached his true potencials and now is only a bencher for years in Croatian team.

Simunic accepted the offer immidiately and with joy 'cause playing for Croatia was always his and his parents dream..

Didulica was the only one who done what Bilos almost did. Accepted the offer to play for good team to benefit his future transfer to better clubs and better money..

Were a great country and you know it, thats why so many croatians moved here!!!

Croatians mainly left their homeland during and after ww2 'cause of "food problems" which affected most of europe and also during Yugoslavia 'cause of unhuman regime in those days.. You must understand that Croats are proud of their heritage, lots of them have come back to independence Croatia, and what's most important, 90% of them who live in Australia, USA, Canada, Germany.. will always love Croatia the same way they love country they live in. And 'cause of that, they always try to implant pride and joy for Croatia to their descendants..
For example, I'll name one friend of mine, who lives in Germany, he was born there, lives there but comes to Croatia quite often.. He barely speaks croatians (we mostly teached him :D ) but is proud of his parents country 'cause they teached him that way.. He supports both, Croatia and Germany but in his case, when it comes to Croatia-Germany game,he chooses Croatia..
That was something which Klasnic also did. He is born in Germany and offered to play for them even before Croatia offered him. He even then said Croatia is the only team he would like to play for despite living whole life in Germany..

[philipas]

they are not born in croatia but they are croatian, no one is australian except for the aboriginee's all aussies were immigrants from other races and nationalities :lol: ....I think he's got a point here kewell_PuLls...what doya say to that???

I'm Greek-Australian....I go for Greece and Australia. Anything wrong with that?

I can't identify with the Australian flag...It means British colony to me and would much prefer the Aboriginal flag as the national flag. Anything wrong with that?

Croatian-Australians make up the majority of Australia's national team. Everyone should be grateful to the Croats for this, especially Aussie soccer fans...

Now STFU and show some respect...:mad2:

[kewell_RuLeS.]

Calling one of dirrtiest sports a gay game just shows how inmature stupid kid you are ;)

BTW, you wannabe football fan, you still didn't answered me how many people are there on football pitch during a game???

You, who recently discovered what football really is, who, I can bet on that, has never been to football game yet, you are just one narrow minded, retard kid!


i wasn't going to answer your bullshit............well because you just type crap!, yes i've been to football games before, theres 11 players a team on the field at once, theres one ref, um a crowed anything else dip shit? oh and stop winking at me fag!, i'm too old for you junior.

go back to your inbreed handball!, don't forget your handbag. :whoo:

[kewell_RuLeS.]

:lol: ....I think he's got a point here kewell_PuLls...what doya say to that???

I'm Greek-Australian....I go for Greece and Australia. Anything wrong with that?

I can't identify with the Australian flag...It means British colony to me and would much prefer the Aboriginal flag as the national flag. Anything wrong with that?

Croatian-Australians make up the majority of Australia's national team. Everyone should be grateful to the Croats for this, especially Aussie soccer fans...

Now STFU and show some respect...:mad2:

oh philipas i thought we were at peace, but here you go again trying to bait me, it worked!, first off philipas your australian, australia should be your number 1 team, greece 2, your not a greek!, i'm not irish dude! my dad was born there but i'm not irish, i know you want to be a greek so badly but hey......you can't win them all, but hey you can always move there and become one? i'll try not to kick your ass out the door.

alot of man and women died under that flag! to protect your way of life that you enjoy now, how about you show some respect to that flag!, like it or not.... right or wrong.... that British colony made australia what it is today! you know the country you enjoy living in?, Aboriginals can move on and move forwards with the rest of the human race or they can stay in the bush, there choice, not mine!, if you haven't notice the world has change a little from 200 years ago! it happens. i was born here i'm just as much a australian as those Aboriginals, hell they came from Indoniesea way back in the day!.

no you wanker croatians......... australian's make this soccer team what it isget over it!. you don't see ireland or england trying to claim kewell! thats because there not morons.

whats with you dickheads and this bloodline shit? it's sad.:sad: it';s about time australians starting having some australian pride.

[purger]

i wasn't going to answer your bullshit............well because you just type crap!, yes i've been to football games before, theres 11 players a team on the field at once, theres one ref, um a crowed anything else dip shit? oh and stop winking at me fag!, i'm too old for you junior.

go back to your inbreed handball!, don't forget your handbag. :whoo:

You forgot 2 line refs :D

You're neither older then me and don't know about football a thing. Only basics but still find yourself a right to call someone's country a crap (mine, in this case) and I can't allow that.

So get your ass stright and change your point of view towards people around you.

[purger]

whats with you dickheads and this bloodline shit? it's sad.:sad:

That's something what dickheads like you will never understand.

[philipas]

oh philipas i thought we were at peace, but here you go again trying to bait me, it worked!, first off philipas your australian, australia should be your number 1 team, greece 2, your not a greek!, i'm not irish dude! my dad was born there but i'm not irish, i know you want to be a greek so badly but hey......you can't win them all, but hey you can always move there and become one? i'll try not to kick your ass out the door.

alot of man and women died under that flag! to protect your way of life that you enjoy now, how about you show some respect to that flag!, like it or not.... right or wrong.... that British colony made australia what it is today! you know the country you enjoy living in?, Aboriginals can move on and move forwards with the rest of the human race or they can stay in the bush, there choice, not mine!, if you haven't notice the world has change a little from 200 years ago! it happens. i was born here i'm just as much a australian as those Aboriginals, hell they came from Indoniesea way back in the day!.

no you wanker croatians......... australian's make this soccer team what it isget over it!. you don't see ireland trying to claim kewell! thats because there not morons.

whats with you dickheads and this bloodline shit? it's sad.:sad: hahaha...what can I say my fellow aussie bro...

a lot of aussies did die under that flag...yep, we can get into a thick discusion about that and how they were used by the british and how many Indigenous people were anihlated under that flag and that it shouldn't be such a big deal to change the flag and accommodate all Australians to feel fully Australain instead of just Anglo aussies, after all South Africa and Canada changed their flags to give them originality and singular identity. anyway, this is not the right place for this sort of discussion.

I just want you to understand that you can't tell people who they should go for and who they shouldn't because of bloodline or whatever and if they choose to go for two teams then that should be fine as well.

I love this country as much as you do, so please don't tell me or anyone else what criteria we have to fulfill to be Australians...that's condescending and disrespectful

all the best mate...

[kewell_RuLeS.]

You forgot 2 line refs :D

You're neither older then me and don't know about football a thing. Only basics but still find yourself a right to call someone's country a crap (mine, in this case) and I can't allow that.

So get your ass stright and change your point of view towards people around you.


if your talking about my sig witch has upset so many of my croatian friends, well it saids croatian FOOTBALL team sucks not the country!, so get over your selfs and deal with the fact i don't like the croatian FOOTBALL team.

oh my it's music to my ears :music:

[kewell_RuLeS.]

hahaha...what can I say my fellow aussie bro...

a lot of aussies did die under that flag...yep, we can get into a thick discusion about that and how they were used by the british and how many Indigenous people were anihlated under that flag and that it shouldn't be such a big deal to change the flag and accommodate all Australians to feel fully Australain instead of just Anglo aussies, after all South Africa and Canada changed their flags to give them originality and singular identity. anyway, this is not the right place for this sort of discussion.

I just want you to understand that you can't tell people who they should go for and who they shouldn't because of bloodline or whatever and if they choose to go for two teams then that should be fine as well.

I love this country as much as you do, so please don't tell me or anyone else what criteria we have to fulfill to be Australians...that's condescending and disrespectful

all the best mate...

look i agree we should change the flag when we break from the commonwealth, but not yet.

and the rest of your post fair enough, but i want you to understand your australian not greek if you were born here, australia should be your most loved country. hell the rest is only sport after all..:car:

[philipas]

look i agree we should change the flag when we break from the commonwealth, but not yet.

and the rest of your post fair enough, but i want you to understand your australian not greek if you were born here, australia should be your most loved country. hell the rest is only sport after all..:car: fair enough...PEACE man...

[purger]

if your talking about my sig witch has upset so many of my croatian friends, well it saids croatian FOOTBALL team sucks not the country!, so get over your selfs and deal with the fact i don't like the croatian FOOTBALL team.

oh my it's music to my ears :music:

It's disrespectfull, expecially for ones who follow that country from independance and countries clubs from 80's...

[josh79er]

Woooo, guys how about everyone take it easy, It's football that we were her to talk about Right???
The only thing i'm going to say about that whole flag and country is this. i agree with Kewell, when Australia finallys becomes a Republic, then we change our flag.

"Quote"I just want you to understand that you can't tell people who they should go for and who they shouldn't because of bloodline or whatever and if they choose to go for two teams then that should be fine as well."

I agree with that too, if yo want to go for Greece, then thats fine, go for it mate. i won't call you unless of an Australian for that.
God my girlfriends from Argentina and I hold a very dear spot for there team.

So boys lets talk football not politics.

All this hatred between Croatia and Australians football sides, and we have forgotten one thing in this group there is another side Japan!!!
Lets not right them off they can easily beat both Australia and Croatia, they are lighting quick with some great skills, so i think both of our supporters should be alittle worried about them as well. Anyone agree with my statements here?????

[purger]

i think both of our supporters should be alittle worried about them as well.

unless they know kung-fu stuff, we don't have to worry about them (supporters :D )

It will be quite interesting competition in this group, can't wait..

[davor_suker]

Woooo, guys how about everyone take it easy, It's football that we were her to talk about Right???
The only thing i'm going to say about that whole flag and country is this. i agree with Kewell, when Australia finallys becomes a Republic, then we change our flag.

"Quote"I just want you to understand that you can't tell people who they should go for and who they shouldn't because of bloodline or whatever and if they choose to go for two teams then that should be fine as well."

I agree with that too, if yo want to go for Greece, then thats fine, go for it mate. i won't call you unless of an Australian for that.
God my girlfriends from Argentina and I hold a very dear spot for there team.

So boys lets talk football not politics.

All this hatred between Croatia and Australians football sides, and we have forgotten one thing in this group there is another side Japan!!!
Lets not right them off they can easily beat both Australia and Croatia, they are lighting quick with some great skills, so i think both of our supporters should be alittle worried about them as well. Anyone agree with my statements here?????

I consider Croatia and Australia both better teams than Japan, all Japan have is speed and some pretty good teamwork, if Australia lose to Japan i will be disappointed. Obviously it wont be easy though (what match is?)

[herceg_jadran]

oh philipas i thought we were at peace, but here you go again trying to bait me, it worked!, first off philipas your australian, australia should be your number 1 team, greece 2, your not a greek!, i'm not irish dude! my dad was born there but i'm not irish, i know you want to be a greek so badly but hey......you can't win them all, but hey you can always move there and become one? i'll try not to kick your ass out the door.

alot of man and women died under that flag! to protect your way of life that you enjoy now, how about you show some respect to that flag!, like it or not.... right or wrong.... that British colony made australia what it is today! you know the country you enjoy living in?, Aboriginals can move on and move forwards with the rest of the human race or they can stay in the bush, there choice, not mine!, if you haven't notice the world has change a little from 200 years ago! it happens. i was born here i'm just as much a australian as those Aboriginals, hell they came from Indoniesea way back in the day!.





no you wanker croatians......... australian's make this soccer team what it isget over it!. you don't see ireland or england trying to claim kewell! thats because there not morons.

whats with you dickheads and this bloodline shit? it's sad.:sad: it';s about time australians starting having some australian pride.


STFU you naive 10 year old boy


u talk shit
its clear to every one your a racist jelous red neck aussie becuase your jelous you have no herritage or history besieds the factthat this country is built by immigrantss


accept it
australia is a multicultrual country!

the nationality australian is a artficial nationality

and to be australians is to be multicultrual

austalian is not being of anglo saxon herritage

assimilation is long gone matee..so wake up


btw..show some respect to the aboriginals and for what 'your people' did to them...and tyhe effects of thatcontinues today..and the goverment hasnt taken account for what they have done


if you learnt about aboriginal culture or studies you would know that aboriginal culture is incmpatible with western culture..and for them o just forget" the bush' they have to abandon they're whole way of life....its not just that simple....saying that we are bringing them into civilies people

so STFU and dont talk shit about something you dont know


and btw you talk about croats who are born in aus to give up there love for there heriitage


croatia has been fighting for indepence for 900 years..i dont think anycroat is just gonna forget there roots..if that was the case..we would be called romans..austrians..venetians...hungarians...turks....serbs..yugoslavians...'bosnian-herzegovinian'..and so forth



just to point this out..if you got married..to some girl(which i doubt you ever will) who is also considered a true asutralian(by your books) i.e one that is born of anglo saxon ancestry from the colonial times...and you two decide to pick up your bags and move to indonesia....and you happene to have child while you are there....well in that case..he is "INDONESIAN" IN YOUR BOOKS


and just say indonesia decided to invade australlia...would you expect your son who is "australian blood" but was simply born in indonesia to fight for iindonesia instead of austrllia???

please cut the crap..you poor kid..its written over your face you are just jelous that austrlaia doesnt continue to have the white aus policy

[kewell_RuLeS.]

STFU you naive 10 year old boy


u talk shit
its clear to every one your a racist jelous red neck aussie becuase your jelous you have no herritage or history besieds the factthat this country is built by immigrantss


accept it
australia is a multicultrual country!

the nationality australian is a artficial nationality

and to be australians is to be multicultrual

austalian is not being of anglo saxon herritage

assimilation is long gone matee..so wake up


btw..show some respect to the aboriginals and for what 'your people' did to them...and tyhe effects of thatcontinues today..and the goverment hasnt taken account for what they have done


if you learnt about aboriginal culture or studies you would know that aboriginal culture is incmpatible with western culture..and for them o just forget" the bush' they have to abandon they're whole way of life....its not just that simple....saying that we are bringing them into civilies people

so STFU and dont talk shit about something you dont know


and btw you talk about croats who are born in aus to give up there love for there heriitage


croatia has been fighting for indepence for 900 years..i dont think anycroat is just gonna forget there roots..if that was the case..we would be called romans..austrians..venetians...hungarians...turks....serbs..yugoslavians...'bosnian-herzegovinian'..and so forth



just to point this out..if you got married..to some girl(which i doubt you ever will) who is also considered a true asutralian(by your books) i.e one that is born of anglo saxon ancestry from the colonial times...and you two decide to pick up your bags and move to indonesia....and you happene to have child while you are there....well in that case..he is "INDONESIAN" IN YOUR BOOKS


and just say indonesia decided to invade australlia...would you expect your son who is "australian blood" but was simply born in indonesia to fight for iindonesia instead of austrllia???

please cut the crap..you poor kid..its written over your face you are just jelous that austrlaia doesnt continue to have the white aus policy


i'll respond to this paragraph by paragraph :rolleyes:
this post pissed me off.



yeah i'm racist because i don't like a soccer team?, yeah i'm racist because i want greek australians to be australian with me? i must really hate them because of there skin colure>? yeah i love this country so much, and if it's full of immigrantss...then how am i a racist? don't be an ***khead!

when didn't i accept it tool? i think some of the small communities don't want to mix with the rest of us!,yeah us being white australians asian aussies US multicultrual australia!, you know people born in this country from all different back grounds!, calling me a racist shows me you have no facts and it;s all you have to fall back on!. keep your personal attacks to your self.

hahaha this post is so stupid for so many reasons.


yes they were treated pourly by generations past! not by me or my family!, they get a shit load of extra benefits from the government now, they just chose to stay in there situation, they don't stay in school on agv, they don't help them selfs.

that way of life is impossible in the moden day, they need to realize that! they need to move forward evolve like the rest of the human race!, the world has changed from 2000 years ago if you hadn't noticed!, it's not about us holding them back, it's about them, they can't get over the past!, they hold them selfs back in todays world, they have to live with the rest of us now, even tho the past was wrong, we could make the future right together, but they chose not too!, i can't force them selfs to help them selfs.

don't tell me what i know and what i don't know you fag!, com'on you know it all.... tell me something that isn't bullshit!.

i said they should go for the australians in football first before croatia? i didn't say anything about giving up heritage? and i've said i was wrong in that stance, they can go forever they like, it's only sport after all!,

your just making shit up now to try and prove your fairytails you have created in your own tosser head?.

good for croatia, why you adding this? i've never talked about the ***king country? i don't like your soccer team ***king get over it. football team and country see a difference tool?

what the ***k are you on about, try reading my post before you flame them, thats my hot tip for you.

i'd say your indoesian, that doesn't mean i'd go and fight my son :lol:,

please stop talking about my country, you have proven you have no idea champ ;).

:angel:

[Sirhail]

im with kewell

australia is a great nation......

USA are like that...but no one rips up their national anthem!!!

no disrespect to usa though..just making the point...

u diss australia..u diss countries like usa...uk etc

[Sirhail]

look i agree we should change the flag when we break from the commonwealth, but not yet.

and the rest of your post fair enough, but i want you to understand your australian not greek if you were born here, australia should be your most loved country. hell the rest is only sport after all..:car:


its a beutifull flag...

i especially love the top left hand side of it!

[herceg_jadran]

i'll respond to this paragraph by paragraph :rolleyes:
this post pissed me off.



yeah i'm racist because i don't like a soccer team?, yeah i'm racist because i want greek australians to be australian with me? i must really hate them because of there skin colure>? yeah i love this country so much, and if it's full of immigrantss...then how am i a racist? don't be an ***khead!

when didn't i accept it tool? i think some of the small communities don't want to mix with the rest of us!,yeah us being white australians asian aussies US multicultrual australia!, you know people born in this country from all different back grounds!, calling me a racist shows me you have no facts and it;s all you have to fall back on!. keep your personal attacks to your self.

hahaha this post is so stupid for so many reasons.


yes they were treated pourly by generations past! not by me or my family!, they get a shit load of extra benefits from the government now, they just chose to stay in there situation, they don't stay in school on agv, they don't help them selfs.

that way of life is impossible in the moden day, they need to realize that! they need to move forward evolve like the rest of the human race!, the world has changed from 2000 years ago if you hadn't noticed!, it's not about us holding them back, it's about them, they can't get over the past!, they hold them selfs back in todays world, they have to live with the rest of us now, even tho the past was wrong, we could make the future right together, but they chose not too!, i can't force them selfs to help them selfs.

don't tell me what i know and what i don't know you fag!, com'on you know it all.... tell me something that isn't bullshit!.

i said they should go for the australians in football first before croatia? i didn't say anything about giving up heritage? and i've said i was wrong in that stance, they can go forever they like, it's only sport after all!,

your just making shit up now to try and prove your fairytails you have created in your own tosser head?.

good for croatia, why you adding this? i've never talked about the ***king country? i don't like your soccer team ***king get over it. football team and country see a difference tool?

what the ***k are you on about, try reading my post before you flame them, thats my hot tip for you.

i'd say your indoesian, that doesn't mean i'd go and fight my son :lol:,

please stop talking about my country, you have proven you have no idea champ ;).

:angel:

mate you didnt answer one question

or was that your pathetic attempt to answer the main part of the question

[philipas]

couldn't be...

[sumanovic]

hahaha croatia please!, they have to import players because they know they will lose to australia!.

welcome to croatia...... were if you come 3rd your a winner........hahaha.


why dont u get a life...??? u seem to have no knowlegde about soccer history...

Croatia = we came 3rd...:)

Australia = u have qualified once in 30 years...wow ur great... :ronaldo:

go croatia and the aussies....:)

1.CROATIA!! :)

2. AUSTRALIA

[kewell_RuLeS.]

why dont u get a life...??? u seem to have no knowlegde about soccer history...

Croatia = we came 3rd...:)

Australia = u have qualified once in 30 years...wow ur great... :ronaldo:

go croatia and the aussies....:)

1.CROATIA!! :)

2. AUSTRALIA

wow you come 3rd i'm so happy for you, win something and then come back to me. history is history it means nothing now......sorry to let you know.

go japan and australia!

[herceg_jadran]

croatia has done more in 15 years of independence then australia has done throughout its whole 105 yearold history:D

[HRVATSKA]

I'm born in Australia but it doesn't make me one. My heritage means more to me. I'm a Croat, simple as that and proud of it...

[kewell_RuLeS.]

I'm born in Australia but it doesn't make me one. My heritage means more to me. I'm a Croat, simple as that and proud of it...

well i hope you move back to croatia, let australias enjoy this country.

[philipas]

croatia has done more in 15 years of independence then australia has done throughout its whole 105 yearold history:D maybe that's because soccer isn't and hasn't been the national sport in Australia....:rolleyes:

PS: you are talking soccer here aren't you, not history in general I assume, because 105 years goes back to Australain federation....hmmm

[purger]

I'm born in Australia but it doesn't make me one. My heritage means more to me. I'm a Croat, simple as that and proud of it...

That's something kids like Kewell will never understand. That,mainly, Croats are extremly proud of their heritage no matter if they have australian, american or whatever countries citizenship..

Bog i Hrvati!

[Saraj Fanático]

yeah don't worry about me :smoking: i know i'm right :evil:
just wait until you complain about the ref's when australia kicks your ass come world cup time :clap2: :lol: you know it's coming!.

i smell fear from the croatian fans :crutch: :whip:

Well actually I agree. Croatia will get whiped. They sucked against Korea. Korea kicked their ass. I thought the Croats would at least score 1 goal but they didn't instead the koreans scored again! :lol:

Croatia has no speed. They will be destroyed by th Australians because the Australians can really run.

[Saraj Fanático]

Oh and those who say the Croats born in Australia are still considered Croatian because they have "Croatian Heritage". What Heritage are you talking about?

[Ero]

Well actually I agree. Croatia will get whiped. They sucked against Korea. Korea kicked their ass. I thought the Croats would at least score 1 goal but they didn't instead the koreans scored again! :lol:

Croatia has no speed. They will be destroyed by th Australians because the Australians can really run.

your using a game where we used our C team pathetic, but what can i expect from a guy who wants all croats to leave Bosnia and Hercegovina

[Saraj Fanático]

your using a game where we used our C team pathetic, but what can i expect from a guy who wants all croats to leave Bosnia and Hercegovina


Your slow. PERIOD. The speed croatia has in not enough to take the big guys. And I never said I want all Croat's to leave Bosnia. I only want the ones that Hate the Nation they live in to leave. I also would like the retards kicked out. Like the ones that claim millions of "Slavic" people converted to Islam magically. :lol:

Quit putting fake words in my mouth. I have never called on a cleansing of Croats. Unlike you who said that you will be waiting with your AK when the muslims come to move in next door.

[herceg_jadran]

Your slow. PERIOD. The speed croatia has in not enough to take the big guys. And I never said I want all Croat's to leave Bosnia. I only want the ones that Hate the Nation they live in to leave. I also would like the retards kicked out. Like the ones that claim millions of "Slavic" people converted to Islam magically. :lol:

Quit putting fake words in my mouth. I have never called on a cleansing of Croats. Unlike you who said that you will be waiting with your AK when the muslims come to move in next door.
comming from someone that claims that bosniaks are the decendants of the ancient illyrians
:shocked: ............:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ero]

Quit putting fake words in my mouth. I have never called on a cleansing of Croats. Unlike you who said that you will be waiting with your AK when the muslims come to move in next door.

okay u said

"But I guarentee that you wouldn't last a year. Get packing. Bosnia's number 1 religion is Islam and the number 1 people's are Bosniak's and we will rise more when Republika Srbasta and all those little ministates inside Bosnia are toatlly destroyed. Have fun watching the Bosniak's move in next door."

so i said
"dont worry us croatians will have our AK47's, tanks, U's on hats ready"

Nema Zlata, Nema Novca, Da Se Slomi Hercegovca!!!
ZA DOM SPREMNI

[Saraj Fanático]

okay u said

"But I guarentee that you wouldn't last a year. Get packing. Bosnia's number 1 religion is Islam and the number 1 people's are Bosniak's and we will rise more when Republika Srbasta and all those little ministates inside Bosnia are toatlly destroyed. Have fun watching the Bosniak's move in next door."

so i said
"dont worry us croatians will have our AK47's, tanks, U's on hats ready"

Nema Zlata, Nema Novca, Da Se Slomi Hercegovca!!!
ZA DOM SPREMNI


You kept on sayin BS about how badly Bosnians treat Croats in Bosnia and you pushed me to say that. But I in no way said that Croats should be kicked out. I said the ministates will be destroyed which is true. Islam is Bosnias number 1 religion is it not? And Bosniaks are rising. So all I said is based on fact. There is nothing offensive there because I am talking about my country not yours. And the "Get Packing" is ment for you because you kept on talking BS about Bosnia so I told you if you dont play by our rules then get the hell out and enjoy your stay in Croatia.

[Ero]

christianity is bosnia's #1 religion with serbs and croats and others combined it is a higher percentage than islam

[Saraj Fanático]

comming from someone that claims that bosniaks are the decendants of the ancient illyrians
:shocked: ............:lol: :lol: :lol:

First off learn how to spell descendants. Second when have I claimed that? You mistakened me for an Albanian perhaps. I said that Bosniaks or Bosnians are descendants of Bogomil. It is your people that claim that Bosniaks were once them but they refuse to look at the Croatian roots which is Iran. I wonder how Croats adopted the Yugoslav language?

[Saraj Fanático]

christianity is bosnia's #1 religion with serbs and croats and others combined it is a higher percentage than islam


Wrong, Serbs are Orthodox Christian and Croats are simply Chatolic & Christian. Serbs and Croats are two differnet people with twon different religion. Islam is Number 1 with around 44%. Islam is on the rise. There is many Arabs coming to Bosnia now.

[kewell_RuLeS.]

Wrong, Serbs are Orthodox Christian and Croats are simply Chatolic & Christian. Serbs and Croats are two differnet people with twon different religion. Islam is Number 1 with around 44%. Islam is on the rise. There is many Arabs coming to Bosnia now.


orthodox and chatolic churchers are the same ***king thing, people changed the rules with those churchers...... not god? so how does that make it right? it's bullshit, hell all religions have the same basic meanings.

it's humans who abuse it for personal gain!.

[herceg_jadran]

First off learn how to spell descendants. Second when have I claimed that? You mistakened me for an Albanian perhaps. I said that Bosniaks or Bosnians are descendants of Bogomil. It is your people that claim that Bosniaks were once them but they refuse to look at the Croatian roots which is Iran. I wonder how Croats adopted the Yugoslav language?
bogomil is a religion..not a people...and it was developed in 950 AD from bulgaria ..it was a heretical form of christianity..not islam...and croats came to the balkans in the 600's..soo we have 350 years on you..and more if you take into acoount the link you had posted earlier...that we came 3000 years ago

so:D

[Saraj Fanático]

bogomil is a religion..not a people...and it was developed in 950 AD from bulgaria ..it was a heretical form of christianity..not islam...and croats came to the balkans in the 600's..soo we have 350 years on you..and more if you take into acoount the link you had posted earlier...that we came 3000 years ago

so:D


Bogomil means loyalists to god. Bogo (Or Bogu) meaning god, mil meaning to loyal or beilive. They had a religion which was no way associated to the Chatolic Church. There is a differance when Jesus worshippers write the Bosniak history and than Muhammad worshipper's. And maybe yes you did come 3,000 years ago but you guys claimed that Bosniaks were Slavic and Croats but the Croats never were Slavic to begin with. See how you proved yourselfs wrong?

[Saraj Fanático]

Whatever part of Bosnia Croatia had is now in the Modern day Bosnia. You can't change the time thousands years back. Now should the US give the Native America's back their land? It happen's. Through history nations grow and minimize.

[herceg_jadran]

so you admit that croats were there first...and thus justify the original issue to thies discussion that croats claim in bih that it is there ancestral homeland aswell and that they deserve more rights.


as stated in ZAVNOJBIH..bih is the homeland of 3 constituent people...not one(bosniak)!

again bogomil is a sect that originated from bulgaria in approx 950AD....i never said it was a catholic religion ..i said it was a heretical form of christianity.....as the great sschism of 1054 hadnt occured yet(there was no catholic and orthodox church yet)...so learn your facts!


it has no association with islam whatso ever... even though you claim it does.
and it is not a race or a people!..its a sect!

[herceg_jadran]

Whatever part of Bosnia Croatia had is now in the Modern day Bosnia. You can't change the time thousands years back. Now should the US give the Native America's back their land? It happen's. Through history nations grow and minimize.

so you admit now that croatia did span across bih

atleast your accepting fact unlike before

[Bajramovic]

so you admit now that croatia did span across bih

atleast your accepting fact unlike before


Did you know that Bosnia had part's of Croatia. They owned much of the areas close to the ocean. But the Croats took it back. All that stayed ours is a small part of what we owned which is today known as NEUM. The ottoman took up the large areas and handed them over to the Bogomil who took up Islam. Then when the ottoman broke off so did the intire Bosniak territory. Know that Dubrovnjik once was sepetated from Croatia too. Bosniaks also had complete control of Montenegro also.

[Saraj Fanático]

so you admit that croats were there first...and thus justify the original issue to thies discussion that croats claim in bih that it is there ancestral homeland aswell and that they deserve more rights.


as stated in ZAVNOJBIH..bih is the homeland of 3 constituent people...not one(bosniak)!

again bogomil is a sect that originated from bulgaria in approx 950AD....i never said it was a catholic religion ..i said it was a heretical form of christianity.....as the great sschism of 1054 hadnt occured yet(there was no catholic and orthodox church yet)...so learn your facts!


it has no association with islam whatso ever... even though you claim it does.
and it is not a race or a people!..its a sect!


I meant IF territories were to belong to Croatia once there is no way they can get it back. Like Bajramovic mentioned, Bosniaks had control of today's Croatian areas due to the ottoman empire. ZAVNOBIH stated that it's the Homeland of all 3 peoples but it only was stated to stop any violenece. It cant state "Oh Bosnia is the Home of muslims and true bosnians".

The Bogomil never accepted the set up Bosnian Church. They rejected the Birth of Mary and Jesus which the Muslims belive. So the Church wanted to force them to convert but they didn't. Over a large period of time the Bogomil had nobody to turn to. The Bogomil then saw the mercy of the Ottomans coming. SO they took up the faith of Islam. And the Ottoman protected them. The claim that the Bogomil had the Christian faith and then all of the sudden one day woke up an said "I will become a Muslim". :lol: You only talk but there is not thinking. In bosnia I went to see the ancient sites of the Bogomil haaving the Moon and Star carved in stone walls from the ancient times when I went on with my friends on the mountain territories of Bosnia. See it for yourself someday.

[Ero]

Wrong, Serbs are Orthodox Christian and Croats are simply Chatolic & Christian. Serbs and Croats are two differnet people with twon different religion. Islam is Number 1 with around 44%. Islam is on the rise. There is many Arabs coming to Bosnia now.

hahahaha christianity includes: catholics, anglicans, protestants, orthodox, mormon's, lutheran's ect just like islam has sunni and shia muslims

[herceg_jadran]

Did you know that Bosnia had part's of Croatia. They owned much of the areas close to the ocean. But the Croats took it back. All that stayed ours is a small part of what we owned which is today known as NEUM. The ottoman took up the large areas and handed them over to the Bogomil who took up Islam. Then when the ottoman broke off so did the intire Bosniak territory. Know that Dubrovnjik once was sepetated from Croatia too. Bosniaks also had complete control of Montenegro also.
croats never took it back..the borders are artificial...and the the reason why bosnia has neum..is becuase of a treaty the republic of dubrovnik had with the ottomans....they sold neum to the turks so that the republic of dubrovnik would not have to share a border with the expanding venetian republic...venice was viewed as a threat to dubrovniks indepence and as a result dubrovnik sold neum to the turks who made a buffer zone between venice and dubrovnik

the kingdom of bosnia extended to the adriatic as it took land away from the foreign hungarian kingdom, but it was a kingdom the nationalityy of the people were croats..the kings were croats...they said there language was croat..and or serbian....never bosniak

and bosniaks are not the heirs to the bosnian kingdom as they never existed as people then..it is a modern development

and again bosnia i herzegovina is not the exclusive homeland of bosniaks.. it is the ancestral homeland of croats and serbs

[Sweden #1]

I live Bosnia and I don't think they were ever Christian. I saw people constantly tell me about the Bogomils when History is mentioned. It's nice that the sites of the Bogomils are still there. I read a preety interesting book about how they were forced to accpet a religion they didnt accept at the end. They were official converts to Islam when the Ottoman empire arrived in Bosnia. The Bogomil are preety intersting people. :)

Anyways you guys shouldn't argue so much about these issues which started the war in Bosnia in the first place.

[herceg_jadran]

In bosnia I went to see the ancient sites of the Bogomil haaving the Moon and Star carved in stone walls from the ancient times when I went on with my friends on the mountain territories of Bosnia. See it for yourself someday.
your family holidays dont interest me...

i also have been to tomislavgrad(duvno) and seen the site of his coronation...whats your point??

bogomils is a religion..from 950 ad...if you claim bogomils to be ur ancestors..then you came to bih from bulgaria 350 years later then croats

or even longer if you consider the croats that had migrated 3000 yrs earlier from iran..and not the ones that mixed with the slavic tribes

[Saraj Fanático]

hahahaha christianity includes: catholics, anglicans, protestants, orthodox, mormon's, lutheran's ect just like islam has sunni and shia muslims


Right now Islam is around 50% in my opinion. I walk down the road and see dozens and dozens of Arabs and wahabies walking around. Bosnia is becoming very muslim now. Think how many Muslims from outside come to Bosnia? Bosnia has 30% Orthodox but you cant include Christianity in it because they are not the same thing. Why did war brake out in Northern Ireland between the two if they are the same thing?

[Ero]

orthodox and catholic are not the same thing but they are both branches of christianity

[Saraj Fanático]

your family holidays dont interest me...

i also have been to tomislavgrad(duvno) and seen the site of his coronation...whats your point??

bogomils is a religion..from 950 ad...if you claim bogomils to be ur ancestors..then you came to bih from bulgaria 350 years later then croats

or even longer if you consider the croats that had migrated 3000 yrs earlier from iran..and not the ones that mixed with the slavic tribes

The point here is that Croats have ot come from original slavic peoples. They moved to where the future Bogomils lived. The Bogomil is a sect of peoples who had their own belifs but they never had took up what the Bosnian Church was commanding them to do. The Church wanted them to convert. But they never did and then they accpeted the beutiful and awesome religion of Islam when the Ottoman came and told the ones who wanted Bogomils to convert to fck off. How did the Croats learn the language sspoken in Yugoslavia?



I am going to go to bed now since it is very late so I will answer you tommorrow. Make sure not to say something that will close this thread.

[Saraj Fanático]

orthodox and catholic are not the same thing but they are both branches of christianity


Sure but you cant mix them all of the sudden. Sunni Islam and Shia is seperated in Iraq too.

[herceg_jadran]

The point here is that Croats have ot come from original slavic peoples. They moved to where the future Bogomils lived. The Bogomil is a sect of peoples who had their own belifs but they never had took up what the Bosnian Church was commanding them to do. The Church wanted them to convert. But they never did and then they accpeted the beutiful and awesome religion of Islam when the Ottoman came and told the ones who wanted Bogomils to convert to fck off. How did the Croats learn the language sspoken in Yugoslavia?



I am going to go to bed now since it is very late so I will answer you tommorrow. Make sure not to say something that will close this thread.


the bosnian church formed during the 13th century.....and as a result did not exist at the the time bogomils began(950)...as a independent bosnian kingodom did not exist....no heretical church was alloud to develop..as croatia was in union with the church...the bosnian church devloped much later after the province of bosnia fell in limbo between west and aeast after croatia's fall to hungary.


and the croats of iran ...a majority of the croats of iran migrated to the balkans in the 600's with the slavs...while a minority had already arived 3000 years earlier.


as a result the slavicised croats adopted a slavic language while still retaining the non slavic word CROAT...HRVAT is not of slavic origin

they also kept other thing that were of eastern origin such as the trobojnica..or troplet..which is on many croatian arts....and the chequer shield as there national symbol..which is also from iran...

also this also explains the presence of a great white croatia in northern europe(poland ukraine czech republic)before the slavisied croats settled in the balkans.

there is a large minority of moravian croats in czech rep left from the croat tribes migrations to the balkans in the 600's...
also explains the moravian coat of arms
the oriigins of the name krakow and kiev which is suggest to be derived from croat.

[Saraj Fanático]

the bosnian church formed during the 13th century.....and as a result did not exist at the the time bogomils began(950)...as a independent bosnian kingodom did not exist....no heretical church was alloud to develop..as croatia was in union with the church...the bosnian church devloped much later after the province of bosnia fell in limbo between west and aeast after croatia's fall to hungary.


and the croats of iran ...a majority of the croats of iran migrated to the balkans in the 600's with the slavs...while a minority had already arived 3000 years earlier.


as a result the slavicised croats adopted a slavic language while still retaining the non slavic word CROAT...HRVAT is not of slavic origin

they also kept other thing that were of eastern origin such as the trobojnica..or troplet..which is on many croatian arts....and the chequer shield as there national symbol..which is also from iran...

also this also explains the presence of a great white croatia in northern europe(poland ukraine czech republic)before the slavisied croats settled in the balkans.

there is a large minority of moravian croats in czech rep left from the croat tribes migrations to the balkans in the 600's...
also explains the moravian coat of arms
the oriigins of the name krakow and kiev which is suggest to be derived from croat.



It doesn't matter when the Bosnian Church was developed. It has been there for years and years to spread the religion. When the Bogomil came around they didn't want to accept the teachings of the Church so the Church found them as peoples who must be converted.

Take this line from wikipedia........... "They rejected the Christianity of the orthodox churches and did not accept the docetic teaching of some of the other sects." That there explains that what some croats and Serbs (Orthodox C.) claim that we were them once is completely nonsense. Since Bogomilsm has no ties to the Serb and Croat root's. Thats all I want to explain.


Ok back to the Croatian origin talk. You too admit that Croats were once from Persia. Which expells the talks of people here saying that Croats were Slavic. Your writing above about the CRoatian origin and move to the Balkans does make sense but try telling that to the guys who claim to be Slavic originally. In origin the Croats dont share Slavic blood.

[herceg_jadran]

It doesn't matter when the Bosnian Church was developed. It has been there for years and years to spread the religion. When the Bogomil came around they didn't want to accept the teachings of the Church so the Church found them as peoples who must be converted.

Take this line from wikipedia........... "They rejected the Christianity of the orthodox churches and did not accept the docetic teaching of some of the other sects." That there explains that what some croats and Serbs (Orthodox C.) claim that we were them once is completely nonsense. Since Bogomilsm has no ties to the Serb and Croat root's. Thats all I want to explain.


Ok back to the Croatian origin talk. You too admit that Croats were once from Persia. Which expells the talks of people here saying that Croats were Slavic. Your writing above about the CRoatian origin and move to the Balkans does make sense but try telling that to the guys who claim to be Slavic originally. In origin the Croats dont share Slavic blood.

actually it does matter..as you said bogomills did not accept the doctrin of the bosnian church...and i dont now why you mention that anyway...
but if u insist

like i said before bogomils developed in bulgaria in 950, and its followers came from bulgaria..so your could be bulgarian...

the bosnian church didnt develop until bosnia was in limbo between east and western christianity after croatia fell to hugary....

thus the local population who had been chrsitian...in union with the church in rome...as most of the population was peasants i doubt that they had any knowledge of the latin language and as a result some of the people lost there attachment to christianity and bogomilism was aloud to grow , aswell as a bosnian church when bosnia was an independent kingodom..
they were 2 competing sects!

Croats do share slavic blood as they assimilated with the slavs of northern europe. its an accepted fact.
and about croats being from persia,, croats claim to be slaviscized croats.! understand the underline

i said the majority of the croat tribe merged with the slavic tribes in there migration from northern europe to the balkans., and as a result adopted a slavic language.
however a minority of the croat tribe who had no contact with slavs on there journey from iran settled in the balkans thousands of years earlier, approximatly the same time as the illyrians

http://www.geocities.com/irnationalsocialism/croatia.html

http://www.magma.ca/~rendic/table.htm
this one above is your link

http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/aryan/hrvat.html

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/identity_croatians_ancient_iran.php
http://wap.macedonia.org/myth/coat-of-arms.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/pdfs/iranian_origin_croats.pdf

The Croatian name can be traced back to Persia. The earliest mention of the Croatian name as Horovathos (modern Hrvatske / Hrvat / Horvat) can be traced on two stone inscriptions in Greek language and script, dating from around the year AD 200, found at Tanais seaport on the Azov sea, Krim. One of the confluents to Don river near the region of Azov is called Horvatos. The Croatian name can be traced to different sites in Ukraine, also around Krakow in Poland, in Bohemia, and Austria, showing the migratory path which the Croatian tribes took (these were the White Croats). Around 800-819, Croatian rulers established separate states along the Adriatic coast and inland in Slavonia (former Roman Pannonia). The ruler was entitled "Ban / Banovi" (the equivalent of "king"), a word found only in Croatia which is presumed to have Indo-European roots.

http://www.history.kessler-web.co.uk/KingListsEurope/EasternCroatia.htm

white croats( of northern europe)
http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#slav

[herceg_jadran]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans

the people of persia(iran & afghanistan)

Alans and Slavs

Alan tribes living north of the Black Sea may have moved northwest into what is now Poland, merging with Slavic peoples there to become the precursors of historic Slav nations (notably Serbs and Croats). Third-century inscriptions from Tanais, a town on the Don River in modern Russia, mention a nearby Alan tribe called the Choroatos or Chorouatos. The historian Ptolemy identifies the 'Serboi' as a Sarmatian tribe who lived north of the Caucasus, and other sources identify the Serboi as an Alan tribe in the Volga-Don steppe in the third century.

Accounts of these names reappear in the fifth century, with the Serboi, or Serbs, established east of the river Elbe in what is now western Poland, and the Croats in what is now Polish Galicia. The Alan tribes likely moved northeast and settled among the Slavs, dominating and mobilizing the Slavic tribes they encountered and later assimilating into the Slav population. In 620 the Croats and Serbs were invited into the Balkans by Eastern Roman Emperor Heraclius to drive away the Turkic Avars, and settled there among earlier Slavic migrants to become ancestors of the modern Serbs and Croats. Some Serbs remained on the Elbe, and their descendants are the modern Sorbs. Tenth-century Byzantine and Arab accounts describe a people called the Belochrobati (White Croats) living on the upper Vistula, an area later called Chrobatia.


why is it so hard to belive that the alans would adopt a slavic language if they were migrating with the slavs for centurys??

[Saraj Fanático]

actually it does matter..as you said bogomills did not accept the doctrin of the bosnian church...and i dont now why you mention that anyway...
but if u insist

like i said before bogomils developed in bulgaria in 950, and its followers came from bulgaria..so your could be bulgarian...

the bosnian church didnt develop until bosnia was in limbo between east and western christianity after croatia fell to hugary....

thus the local population who had been chrsitian...in union with the church in rome...as most of the population was peasants i doubt that they had any knowledge of the latin language and as a result some of the people lost there attachment to christianity and bogomilism was aloud to grow , aswell as a bosnian church when bosnia was an independent kingodom..
they were 2 competing sects!

Croats do share slavic blood as they assimilated with the slavs of northern europe. its an accepted fact.
and about croats being from persia,, croats claim to be slaviscized croats.! understand the underline

i said the majority of the croat tribe merged with the slavic tribes in there migration from northern europe to the balkans., and as a result adopted a slavic language.
however a minority of the croat tribe who had no contact with slavs on there journey from iran settled in the balkans thousands of years earlier, approximatly the same time as the illyrians

http://www.geocities.com/irnationalsocialism/croatia.html

http://www.magma.ca/~rendic/table.htm
this one above is your link

http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/aryan/hrvat.html

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/identity_croatians_ancient_iran.php
http://wap.macedonia.org/myth/coat-of-arms.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/pdfs/iranian_origin_croats.pdf

The Croatian name can be traced back to Persia. The earliest mention of the Croatian name as Horovathos (modern Hrvatske / Hrvat / Horvat) can be traced on two stone inscriptions in Greek language and script, dating from around the year AD 200, found at Tanais seaport on the Azov sea, Krim. One of the confluents to Don river near the region of Azov is called Horvatos. The Croatian name can be traced to different sites in Ukraine, also around Krakow in Poland, in Bohemia, and Austria, showing the migratory path which the Croatian tribes took (these were the White Croats). Around 800-819, Croatian rulers established separate states along the Adriatic coast and inland in Slavonia (former Roman Pannonia). The ruler was entitled "Ban / Banovi" (the equivalent of "king"), a word found only in Croatia which is presumed to have Indo-European roots.

http://www.history.kessler-web.co.uk/KingListsEurope/EasternCroatia.htm

white croats( of northern europe)
http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#slav


Bogomilsm developed in Bulgaria. The Bosniak Bogommils were normal people who refused to accept the Bosnian Church and fled to the mountains of Bosnia where they came upon the Bogomils which were from Bulgaria. Then they allied. The Bosniaks didn't accpet the Church for a reason because they have never belived in the Church in the first place. The Serbian and Croat claim doesn't add up in anyway.

About Croats. I won't try to teach you your own history because I am not trying to be like you. You accept your own way.

[herceg_jadran]

Bogomilsm developed in Bulgaria. The Bosniak Bogommils were normal people who refused to accept the Bosnian Church and fled to the mountains of Bosnia where they came upon the Bogomils which were from Bulgaria. Then they allied. The Serbian and Croat claim doesn't add up in anyway.
.
why are you reiterating what i just said " Bogomilsm developed in Bulgaria."

as for the rest of your paragraphh...
what you just said doesnt add upp...think about it ^^^^^

[Saraj Fanático]

why are you reiterating what i just said " Bogomilsm developed in Bulgaria."

as for the rest of your paragraphh...
what you just said doesnt add upp...think about it ^^^^^


I was correcting you with your own words because you said that Bosniaks could be Bulgarian. Your own writing proved you wrong. Bogomilsm DEVELOPED in Bulgaria, it isn't that the Bogomils are all Bulgarians.

And the Serbo-Croatian claim does add up? That somehow Bosniaks just woke up and said "I will convert". Then they ran from their own religion?

We already proved the Croat claim wrong that Bosniaks could have been Croats. The roots of Bosniaks and Croats is completely different.

[herceg_jadran]

I was correcting you with your own words because you said that Bosniaks could be Bulgarian. Your own writing proved you wrong. Bogomilsm DEVELOPED in Bulgaria, it isn't that the Bogomils are all Bulgarians.

And the Serbo-Croatian claim does add up? That somehow Bosniaks just woke up and said "I will convert". Then they ran from their own religion?

We already proved the Croat claim wrong that Bosniaks could have been Croats. The roots of Bosniaks and Croats is completely different.

you havent proven anything, and you dont need to correct me because your whole sentence didnt make sence, and you still havent explain to me what you mean by it.

and
you never answered my post of the many contradiictions you made about bosniaks

by the way, i said bosniaks decended from converted croats in response to you claiming that bosniaks were in bosna before croats
and you say it is not true, then i asked who are they decendants of bosniaks... and you replied
bogomils..as if its a race...and ive said many times its a religion from 950 AD


so ansswer me once and for all who are the decendants of bosniaks, when was the first documented event of them arriving in bosnia..and so on

thats all

this whole discussion started from you denying that bosna is the ancestral homeland of croats
and making the rediculous claim that bogomils(which you imply to mean bosniaks) were in bosna before croats, when in actual fact bogomils is a religion from 950AD ..which doesnt add up according to your link which claims croats came earlier


so please explain

[herceg_jadran]

I was correcting you with your own words because you said that Bosniaks could be Bulgarian. Your own writing proved you wrong. Bogomilsm DEVELOPED in Bulgaria, it isn't that the Bogomils are all Bulgarians.

And the Serbo-Croatian claim does add up? That somehow Bosniaks just woke up and said "I will convert". Then they ran from their own religion?

We already proved the Croat claim wrong that Bosniaks could have been Croats. The roots of Bosniaks and Croats is completely different.
I was correcting you with your own words because you said that Bosniaks could be Bulgarian. Your own writing proved you wrong. Bogomilsm DEVELOPED in Bulgaria, it isn't that the Bogomils are all Bulgarians.

i was imitating you and your naive remarks about croats are iranian... they are a slavicised tribe which have indo iranian roots..
'

That somehow Bosniaks just woke up and said "I will convert". Then they ran from their own religion?


i told you before, that "some" of the population just woke up and became muslim..they didnt just wake up and become muslim...it took around 600 years..before they lost all connection with croats/ and or serbs

ive said to you many times... that after the croatian crown fell to hungary, the province of bosnia fell into limbo between east and west, thus you could say they were in a sense bosnia was " non alligned" province to east and western church

and as a result, many heretical churches formed, and the population lost any attachement to the western and eastern church.....
as a result the loyalty to the east and west church werent very strong in the population, and the population didnt have a strong loyalty to it, so when the turks invaded,
"some" of the population in bosnia ..that is who had been with the heretical church eg..bosnian church..bogomils....krstijans..etc...didnt have any stong loyalty and found it easy to convert to islam...

just like in modern times...many of the protostant churches have a high rate of people swaping religions, compared to the lower rate with roman and orthodox churches.


then also after 500 years of turkish rule, in which the christian population had a relativly harder time...especially the catholic... and to a less extent the orthodox..as orthodox was viewed as more friendly...and the catholics in bosnia were loyal to the catholic in croatia-hungary( enememy of turkish expansion)...although they were separated from christian (croatia-hungary) by turkey...so turkey view them as more of an enemy...
and the islamic population were able to thrive..who wouldnt want to be ruled by croatia hungary because it was christian...see how less and less loyalty grew to the croatian nation as a result of islam

so as a result... a animosity grew between the islamic population and the christian (and catholic)..who naturally the christians would be envios of there fellow slavic neighbours who became muslim..and were able to be exempt from tax etc..its natural that an animosity grew.. ...and by 1991 a new bosniaks national emancipation had been cemented.


it didnt happen overnight..it happened over many years

[Saraj Fanático]

you havent proven anything, and you dont need to correct me because your whole sentence didnt make sence, and you still havent explain to me what you mean by it.

and
you never answered my post of the many contradiictions you made about bosniaks

by the way, i said bosniaks decended from converted croats in response to you claiming that bosniaks were in bosna before croats
and you say it is not true, then i asked who are they decendants of bosniaks... and you replied
bogomils..as if its a race...and ive said many times its a religion from 950 AD


so ansswer me once and for all who are the decendants of bosniaks, when was the first documented event of them arriving in bosnia..and so on

thats all

this whole discussion started from you denying that bosna is the ancestral homeland of croats
and making the rediculous claim that bogomils(which you imply to mean bosniaks) were in bosna before croats, when in actual fact bogomils is a religion from 950AD ..which doesnt add up according to your link which claims croats came earlier


so please explain


What have you proved? You Croats and Serbs keep running your mouths about Bosniaks being Serbs & Croats without 0 proof.

The Bosniaks were normal people in the Balkans who didn't accept the Bosnian Church. They didn't ever come to the Balkans they were the people who always lived there. The Roman Empire took over and afterwords the Hungarians etc... The Churches were developed to spread the faith. But as the Bosniaks rejected this faith they fled away and soon accepted Bogomilsm. The Bosniaks never came to the balkans. They were normal people who soon ended up rejecting the Church. Then they formed into Bogomils.

Bosniaks have 0 connection to the Iranians unlike the Croats. They never took that journey to the Balkans since their home was the Balkans.

Croatia in real life is Bosnias homeland. The Croats went from Iran to the Balkans while Bosniaks have been there already.

Bogomilsm was DEVELOPED somewhat 900 yaers ago but the soon to be BOGOMILS have been there for hundreds of more years.

The HOMELAND of the Croats is more Iran then Bosnia. Do you even know what a homeland is?

[Saraj Fanático]

i was imitating you and your naive remarks about croats are iranian... they are a slavicised tribe which have indo iranian roots..

The Croats all are Iranians arent I right. You yourself have admited that and explained your ways of how th Croats came to the Balkans with the slavs.




i told you before, that "some" of the population just woke up and became muslim..they didnt just wake up and become muslim...it took around 600 years..before they lost all connection with croats/ and or serbs

The Bogomils existed way before the invasion of the Ottoman Empire ever stepped foot on the Balkans. So who were the Bogomils before the Ottoman took over? :lol:

ive said to you many times... that after the croatian crown fell to hungary, the province of bosnia fell into limbo between east and west, thus you could say they were in a sense bosnia was " non alligned" province to east and western church

and as a result, many heretical churches formed, and the population lost any attachement to the western and eastern church.....
as a result the loyalty to the east and west church werent very strong in the population, and the population didnt have a strong loyalty to it, so when the turks invaded,
"some" of the population in bosnia ..that is who had been with the heretical church eg..bosnian church..bogomils....krstijans..etc...didnt have any stong loyalty and found it easy to convert to islam...

The Bosniaks never had any loyalty to the Churches to begin with. They were pushed out and were tormented to convert. And when the Ottoman arrived the Bosniaks who accepted Bogomilsm took up Islam since they would have rights of the Ottoman. Your explanation is completly nonsense. The Churches marked the beginning of the Faith to the Bosniaks and through out the Balkans. The Bosniaks have joined Bogomilsm WAY before the Turks came while the Serbs and Croats followed the Church. So your explanation is 100% false.

just like in modern times...many of the protostant churches have a high rate of people swaping religions, compared to the lower rate with roman and orthodox churches.


then also after 500 years of turkish rule, in which the christian population had a relativly harder time...especially the catholic... and to a less extent the orthodox..as orthodox was viewed as more friendly...and the catholics in bosnia were loyal to the catholic in croatia-hungary( enememy of turkish expansion)...although they were separated from christian (croatia-hungary) by turkey...so turkey view them as more of an enemy...
and the islamic population were able to thrive..who wouldnt want to be ruled by croatia hungary because it was christian...see how less and less loyalty grew to the croatian nation as a result of islam

The Turks never seperated the Bosniaks from Christianity since the Bosniaks choose not to ever follow Christianity. How do you explain the Bosniaks being Bogomils WAYYYYY before the Turks ever came? Please that is the most ignorant thing I have ever read.

so as a result... a animosity grew between the islamic population and the christian (and catholic)..who naturally the christians would be envios of there fellow slavic neighbours who became muslim..and were able to be exempt from tax etc..its natural that an animosity grew.. ...and by 1991 a new bosniaks national emancipation had been cemented.

Once again, the Bosniaks were never followers of Christianty because they were Bogomils. The Turks played no part in the sepertaion.


it didnt happen overnight..it happened over many years


It never happened. This whole thing is just one big pathetic tale.

PS: I suggest you learn your own history first before trying to comment on my History. You stand no chance since you are no Bosniak. Your claim has 0 explanation.

[Saraj Fanático]

i was imitating you and your naive remarks about croats are iranian... they are a slavicised tribe which have indo iranian roots..

The Croats all are Iranians arent I right. You yourself have admited that and explained your ways of how th Croats came to the Balkans with the slavs.




i told you before, that "some" of the population just woke up and became muslim..they didnt just wake up and become muslim...it took around 600 years..before they lost all connection with croats/ and or serbs

The Bogomils existed way before the invasion of the Ottoman Empire ever stepped foot on the Balkans. So who were the Bogomils before the Ottoman took over? :lol:

ive said to you many times... that after the croatian crown fell to hungary, the province of bosnia fell into limbo between east and west, thus you could say they were in a sense bosnia was " non alligned" province to east and western church

and as a result, many heretical churches formed, and the population lost any attachement to the western and eastern church.....
as a result the loyalty to the east and west church werent very strong in the population, and the population didnt have a strong loyalty to it, so when the turks invaded,
"some" of the population in bosnia ..that is who had been with the heretical church eg..bosnian church..bogomils....krstijans..etc...didnt have any stong loyalty and found it easy to convert to islam...

The Bosniaks never had any loyalty to the Churches to begin with. They were pushed out and were tormented to convert. And when the Ottoman arrived the Bosniaks who accepted Bogomilsm took up Islam since they would have rights of the Ottoman. Your explanation is completly nonsense. The Churches marked the beginning of the Faith to the Bosniaks and through out the Balkans. The Bosniaks have joined Bogomilsm WAY before the Turks came while the Serbs and Croats followed the Church. So your explanation is 100% false.



then also after 500 years of turkish rule, in which the christian population had a relativly harder time...especially the catholic... and to a less extent the orthodox..as orthodox was viewed as more friendly...and the catholics in bosnia were loyal to the catholic in croatia-hungary( enememy of turkish expansion)...although they were separated from christian (croatia-hungary) by turkey...so turkey view them as more of an enemy...
and the islamic population were able to thrive..who wouldnt want to be ruled by croatia hungary because it was christian...see how less and less loyalty grew to the croatian nation as a result of islam

The Turks never seperated the Bosniaks from Christianity since the Bosniaks choose not to ever follow Christianity. How do you explain the Bosniaks being Bogomils WAYYYYY before the Turks ever came? Please that is the most ignorant thing I have ever read.

so as a result... a animosity grew between the islamic population and the christian (and catholic)..who naturally the christians would be envios of there fellow slavic neighbours who became muslim..and were able to be exempt from tax etc..its natural that an animosity grew.. ...and by 1991 a new bosniaks national emancipation had been cemented.

Once again, the Bosniaks were never followers of Christianty because they were Bogomils. The Turks played no part in any kind of seperation.


it didnt happen overnight..it happened over many years


It never happened. This whole thing is just one big pathetic tale.

PS: I suggest you learn your own history first before trying to comment on my History. You stand no chance since you are no Bosniak. Your claim has 0 explanation.

[herceg_jadran]

The Croats all are Iranians arent I right. You yourself have admited that and explained your ways of how th Croats came to the Balkans with the slavs.






The Bogomils existed way before the invasion of the Ottoman Empire ever stepped foot on the Balkans. So who were the Bogomils before the Ottoman took over? :lol:



The Bosniaks never had any loyalty to the Churches to begin with. They were pushed out and were tormented to convert. And when the Ottoman arrived the Bosniaks who accepted Bogomilsm took up Islam since they would have rights of the Ottoman. Your explanation is completly nonsense. The Churches marked the beginning of the Faith to the Bosniaks and through out the Balkans. The Bosniaks have joined Bogomilsm WAY before the Turks came while the Serbs and Croats followed the Church. So your explanation is 100% false.





The Turks never seperated the Bosniaks from Christianity since the Bosniaks choose not to ever follow Christianity. How do you explain the Bosniaks being Bogomils WAYYYYY before the Turks ever came? Please that is the most ignorant thing I have ever read.



Once again, the Bosniaks were never followers of Christianty because they were Bogomils. The Turks played no part in any kind of seperation.





It never happened. This whole thing is just one big pathetic tale.

PS: I suggest you learn your own history first before trying to comment on my History. You stand no chance since you are no Bosniak. Your claim has 0 explanation.

ive learnt my hisotry thankyou very much
but if it is true, just show me a link

again can you give me one stone inscription with the word bosniak beofore the year 600 AD(the time of the slavicised croats arrival in the balakns)

or one link with the history of the bosniak nation before the slavs destroyed and overan there homeland.


The Bogomils existed way before the invasion of the Ottoman Empire ever stepped foot on the Balkans. So who were the Bogomils before the Ottoman took over? :lol:
btw i never said bogomils didnt exist before ottomans invasion.
i said it is a religion from bulgaria in 950 ad
and who were the bogomils before that... i dont know..as it was a religion..anybody can take up a religion..even the chinese can become bogomil
but one thing is definate it was the slavs(croats) that lived there at the time, and when half of croatia fel to hungary, and the rest was in limbo(ie bosna), i could see a chance of croats of bosna becoming heretics of the church...such as the bogomils....but no bosniaks..as there is no recorded eveidence of bosniaks at that time

The Bosniaks have joined Bogomilsm WAY before the Turks came while the Serbs and Croats followed the Church. So your explanation is 100% false.


no there is no records that bosniaks existed...but there is record thatc roats lived in bosna, and when croata fell to hungary, bosna was in limbo between eastern and western churches...and "SomE" of the croat population became heretics such as bogomills...and eventually formed the bosniak nation
while others did not convert at all..and stayed catholic..and thus stayed croatian and loyal to croatia..


The Turks never seperated the Bosniaks from Christianity since the Bosniaks choose not to ever follow Christianity. How do you explain the Bosniaks being Bogomils WAYYYYY before the Turks ever came? Please that is the most ignorant thing I have ever read.


hello..bogomil is a form of CHRISTIANITY!!!
it is a heretical form of what the catholic church tought..that is why they were considered heretics...same with the krijans and the bosnian church..
it is not a form of islam asayou continually claim!
i have no idea where you could of heard such a ridicuolous claim

ive already explained how bogomils religion gained followers, bosna was not under eastern and western influence..and as a result some of the croat population became heretics and practiced heretical forms of christianity


Once again, the Bosniaks were never followers of Christianty because they were Bogomils. The Turks played no part in any kind of seperation.

bogomils is christianity!
it is not a form of islam!
and the turks pl;ayed a big part in the seperation of the local peoples attachemnt to croatia..ive explained to you very clearly in my post before about what happened


now just explkain to me this:
if you can answer me this it will rest all claims that bosniaks are not decendents of croats ok
if you cant then all eveidence points otherwise

again can you give me one stone inscription with the word bosniak beofore the year 600 AD(the time of the slavicised croats arrival in the balakns)

or one link with the history of the bosniak nation before the slavs destroyed and overan there homeland

[Saraj Fanático]

ive learnt my hisotry thankyou very much
but if it is true, just show me a link

again can you give me one stone inscription with the word bosniak beofore the year 600 AD(the time of the slavicised croats arrival in the balakns)

or one link with the history of the bosniak nation before the slavs destroyed and overan there homeland.

So now all of the sudden the Bosniaks never existed during those times. I'm sorry but even the Wikipedia which is becoming the worlds number one source website links Bosniaks to the Bogomils.



btw i never said bogomils didnt exist before ottomans invasion.
i said it is a religion from bulgaria in 950 ad
and who were the bogomils before that... i dont know..as it was a religion..anybody can take up a religion..even the chinese can become bogomil
but one thing is definate it was the