The most dangerous team in near future in Europe is...

[kanaryamerika]

There are rumors that Totti will be joining Fenerbahce next year. This is not confirmed in any way, though it is well known Fener will be looking to upgrade their foreign players to the top level for their 100th year (2006-07 season). they already have Nicholas Anelka, Stephan Appiah, Alex DeSouza. I think they will get rid of either Luciano or Aurelio and get two new players. Also look at them to get some top level Turkish players.

For those that don't know Fener is the richest club in Turkey and has been building a new club structure for the past few years. They will be a serious force in Europe in a few years (5 or so). keep an eye on them in the near future...

It sounds crazy I know but don't say i didn't warn you. They have already brought the club's revenue up from 30 million dollars a year to over 100 million in just 2 years. The current president of the club is a very powerful man with many international ties. Trust me that I'm not talking out of my ass.:gossip:

[ulster21]

But why would world class stars want to play in the Turkish League? Fenerbache may be getting better but the Turkish League is not.

[Fener19*07bahce]

I have heard about totti..and my friend told me that he might come..but not only him, but Ronaldo too..idont know which one though. I had also found a link that if Emre were to come back to Turkey, and he's thinking about it..he might go to Fenerbahce..and Nihat told the media that numerous teams were giving him offers, and one team was fenerbahce..Yildiray too...It said we will get two of th three..either Emre, yildiray, or Nihat..Im going to go search for the link now..

[Fenerliyim]

All those rumors are bs. Pasfotomac comes up with new dum rumors like this. I have read that figo, totti, roberto carlos (i actually think he will come), zidane, morientes, emre, nihat, yildiray, nuri sahin, and a lot of other stars will come but these rumors never come true.

[kanaryamerika]

But why would world class stars want to play in the Turkish League? Fenerbache may be getting better but the Turkish League is not.

You are right in some ways. The Turkish League is ofcourse not at the same level as England, Italy or Spain, but it is a high level league - maybe not as in the spotlight as others. However, Fenerbahce has been and will continue to compensate for this off the field. First they pay more than other clubs in Europe when they think it is worth it. Anelka gets something like 10-12 million dollars a year or something crazy. Much more then he was getting at Man City.. Second of all, if Fener can compete in the CL, these players will still be in the spotlight. Think of how many teams in Europe compete in the CL - only a handful and if a player is not on those teams, Fener is a guarantee to play. The club also will often give luxury cars, crazy mansions, etc etc. Istanbul is a great city that has a lot to offer. Also, the foreign stars in Turkey are treated like royalty (good and bad). So it is not for everyone, but for the right player, it can be a great lifestyle and opoortunity.

So, yes it is unrealistic in the near future for say Henry to play at his prime in Turkey, but at 28 or so, Fener can provide a new outlet for players like him to make more money than they could elsewhere. Though like I said, it is not for everyone.

[kanaryamerika]

One more thing...Fener does not have to try to compete with Real Madrid in terms of star power. They only need a handful of good foreign players supported by the better Turkish players.

[ulster21]

I agree with post # 5 on this thread, but this is my point. Stars like Henry, Rooney, Shevchenko will not play for Turkey during the prime of their careers so Fenerbache or Galatasaray might get some well known players but not well known players in their prime. They may be able to sell more tickets but in terms of Champions League success they will be at about the same level as they are now. Look at Rivaldo in Greece. If Panathinakos had him 8 years ago then they could do some damage but now they just have an average player with a well known name.

Also, you said that Anelka makes more money in Turkey than England, Is this really true?

[kanaryamerika]

I agree with post # 5 on this thread, but this is my point. Stars like Henry, Rooney, Shevchenko will not play for Turkey during the prime of their careers so Fenerbache or Galatasaray might get some well known players but not well known players in their prime. They may be able to sell more tickets but in terms of Champions League success they will be at about the same level as they are now. Look at Rivaldo in Greece. If Panathinakos had him 8 years ago then they could do some damage but now they just have an average player with a well known name.

You are right for the most part. That's why I'm saying this is not something that will happen tomorrow. With time and more smaller sucess in the meantime I think they will be able to get some players. Granted Shevchenko will not come when he is 23 but some of these players are still quite good later on. When Gala won the UEFA cup they had 34 year old Hagi along with a bunch of younger Turkish players at the time (Hakan Sukur, Emre Belezoglu, Okan Buruk, Tugay, etc). But fener should ta least be able to get a place in the top 16 in the near future and build from there.

Also, you said that Anelka makes more money in Turkey than England, Is this really true?

This is 100 percent true. He gets paid a ton of money and is given all sorts of "star" treatment that he did not recieve in England. He repeatedly has said he is very happy here. He just scored by the way in the Turkish cup. It's his third game in a row that he's scored.

Fener has been getting great offers for him from England and did not sell him. Though, he might go at the end of the year for some 20 million Euros to Newcastle.

[Fener19*07bahce]

Cmon..I dont care..as long as we get like 3 of the players in these rumors..ill be happy :D

[Bosanac]

The thing you guys forgot to mention is if Fenerbahce does something like this, it would create an opportunity for turkish players to learn from masters in their own country thus raise the quality throughout the league. If Fenerbahce has a couple of star players, our rivals would be forced into buying star players as well. And also if the top level teams of turkish league are very strong, the middle level and the low level will also be forced to dig into the budget and buy decent players. It would benefit the turkish league generally and I think that is in fact what Fenerbahce is trying to do with a new stadium, new training grounds, setting an example to what turkish teams should be like.

[kanaryamerika]

The thing you guys forgot to mention is if Fenerbahce does something like this, it would create an opportunity for turkish players to learn from masters in their own country thus raise the quality throughout the league. If Fenerbahce has a couple of star players, our rivals would be forced into buying star players as well. And also if the top level teams of turkish league are very strong, the middle level and the low level will also be forced to dig into the budget and buy decent players. It would benefit the turkish league generally and I think that is in fact what Fenerbahce is trying to do with a new stadium, new training grounds, setting an example to what turkish teams should be like.

I agree. Fener is leading the way in showing other clubs in Turkey that you can do more than what seems possible if you have a plan. The other clubs will be forced to adapt to the new way. i just hope the anatolian clubs don;t get left behind.

[SiN]

this is all well and good but when it comes down to it Fenerbahce fail to impress at European form...has it now been 2or 3 years since you have been in the CL? what have u done to brag about? nothing...Galatasaray were in there once and won it all...i dont think today's Fenerbahce team has a chance in becoming well known in CL form...the way that they went these couple of years in Europe was shocking and brought discredit to the name of turkish football thats why non turkish members such as ulster21 can say such things like turkish football league sucks...the year that galatasaray won the CL crown was the year that turkish football brought with it a uprising...the year that Turkey became 3rd in the WC in 2002 was the year that the world noticed that turkish football was a true force and one to be rekoned with...but then we have such bad insidents such as the swiss matches and loosing to latvia...i just dont know how much more failure i can take...i truly want Fener to do well in Europe but all this bs of these world class players coming in is all false...but this has been a well created thread and kanayraamerkia u have written well here...good work!

[Fener19*07bahce]

^Lets not worry about that, as you can see, Fener has a bright future, and so does the Turkish team. We are getting numereous youngsters that are really good players.

[kanaryamerika]

I do think the sucess of Turkish football in the past was a mixture of talent and luck. There needs to be a change in the soccer world in Turkey to make the sucess consistent. Everyone got too comfortable with the sucess and thought Turkey was the best and all that, but in reality it was one batch of good players and the luck of playing weaker teams. I think fener can play a big role in the tranformation as they are the most stable club at the moment.

Also, not to argue with you Sin, :thumb: but GS didn't ever win the CL, they won the UEFA Cup which is ofcourse a great achievment. GS did make it to the quarter finals in the CL. Fener did dissapoint in the past few years, though I don't think we can say they shamed Turkish soccer, they just did not perform as good as everyone hoped. But when you look at who's left in the CL it makes sense that Turkish teams are out.

[Fener19*07bahce]

I think gs did win the cl

[SiN]

good arguments guys, im not disagreeing with uz...

and yes we do have some great youngsters and new talent comming throught which is great to see..

[Bosanac]

I think gs did win the cl

No, Galatasaray won UEFA Cup and Super Cup. UEFA Cup is a secondary competition in Europe, while Super Cup is only one final game between the UEFA Cup and Champions League winner. UEFA Cup is nowhere near the prize of Champions League. Everybody can name the CL winners in the past 5 years, but not many people will remember the winners of UEFA Cup 2 or 3 years ago.

[Fener19*07bahce]

yea super cup, got them mixed up..

[kanaryamerika]

I think gs did win the cl


No, only the UEFA and the Super cup. The champions league is the biggest cup in europe and only a handful of teams have won it.

Here's the full list below inlucding the old version of the cup.

2005 Liverpool AC Milan 3-3 (3-2)
2004 Porto A.S. Monaco 3-0
2003 AC Milan Juventus 0-0 (3-2)
2002 Real Madrid Bayer Leverkusen 2-1
2001 Bayern Munich Valencia 1-1 (5-4)
2000 Real Madrid Valencia 3-0
1999 Manchester United Bayern Munich 2-1
1998 Real Madrid Juventus 1-0
1997 Borussia Dortmund Juventus 3-1
1996 Juventus Ajax 1-1 (4-2)
1995 Ajax AC Milan 1-0
1994 AC Milan Barcelona 4-0
1993 No winner Olympique Marseilles beat AC Milan 1-0. Loses title due to match fixing allegations.
1992 Barcelona Sampdoria 1-0
1991 Red Star Belgrade Marseille 0-0 (5-3)
1990 AC Milan Benfica 1-0
1989 AC Milan Steaua Bucharest 4-0
1988 PSV Eindhoven Benfica 0-0 (6-5)
1987 Porto Bayern Munich 2-1
1986 Steaua Bucharest Barcelona 0-0 (2-0)
1985 Juventus Liverpool 1-0
1984 Liverpool Roma 1-1 (4-2)
1983 Hamburg Juventus 1-0
1982 Aston Villa Bayern Munich 1-0
1981 Liverpool Real Madrid 1-0
1980 Nottingham Forest Hamburg 1-0
1979 Nottingham Forest Malmo 1-0
1978 Liverpool Brugge 1-0
1977 Liverpool Borussia M'chengladbach 3-1
1976 Bayern Munich St Etienne 1-0
1975 Bayern Munich Leeds United 2-0
1974 Bayern Munich Atletico Madrid 4-0
1973 Ajax Juventus 1-0
1972 Ajax Inter Milan 2-0
1971 Ajax Panathinaikos 2-0
1970 Feyenoord Celtic 2-1
1969 AC Milan Ajax 4-1
1968 Manchester United Benfica 4-1
1967 Celtic Inter Milan 2-1
1966 Real Madrid Partizan Belgrade 2-1
1965 Inter Milan Benfica 1-0
1964 Inter Milan Real Madrid 3-1
1963 AC Milan Benfica 2-1
1962 Benfica Real Madrid 5-3
1961 Benfica Barcelona 3-2
1960 Real Madrid Eintracht Frankfurt 7-3
1959 Real Madrid Reims 2-0
1958 Real Madrid AC Milan 3-2
1957 Real Madrid Fiorentina 2-0
1956 Real Madrid Reims 4-3

[SiN]

ok guys take it easy no need to get worked up ova it ;) :lol:

[Bosanac]

1960 Real Madrid Eintracht Frankfurt 7-3
1959 Real Madrid Reims 2-0
1958 Real Madrid AC Milan 3-2
1957 Real Madrid Fiorentina 2-0
1956 Real Madrid Reims 4-3


Wow, man. Real Madrid won the first 5 cups. After only 5 years of the competition, they had a cup of their own. No wonder they have the baldest football history.

[SiN]

yes in terms of history Real Madrid is way up there in the EUROPEAN FOOTBALLING WORLD....

[Fener19*07bahce]

If we just show our selves in Europe, people will see us..We will prove to them we are very good...But only Turkish people know that.

[SiN]

thats right, u guys just need to try abit more harder next time in europe :lol:

[Fenerliyim]

At least we get into the competition unlike gs. We got eliminated by Milan while you got eliminated by tromso. LOL

[Fener19*07bahce]

^That is true, the way I remember, we always go against good teams in that competition..

[SiN]

yeh yeh no need to show off...i guess we will have to prove to u guys again that we can beat top quality sides...:D